NationStates Jolt Archive

Note: This would NOT work in a normal society without a unified world. If you have any ideas how it could work normally, please share.
Also... I'm still working out some things, any suggestions would be wonderful. (If you want to flame me at least say why it sucks)

Government in which you can request something from the local governments. They will probably give it to you, unless it is of a bigger scale. Even groceries are ordered in that way. People are paid from their jobs, which they can chose, like in a capitalist society, but instead of being unemployed people MUST have a job. They can appeal to not have a job to the regional government. This money is used to pay sales taxes, which would be amazingly high in a capitalist society, but sales are the only real taxes.

It seems this part is where people have problems with
People may trade items among themselves but also must pay a "Trading Tax" on these items to the government. The Trading Tax is kind of like a tarrif. This is heavily enforced, and records are kept of every item issued, every tax paid, and every trade. This is not a foolproof system, but there are a lot of government accountents willing to do the job so its pretty good. Anyone seen with something they did not request or legally trade is put in jail for anywhere from a couple months to a year, depending on how big of an item.

People can make their own things, for example gardens, but they must declare what they have made to the local government. Every neighborhood has government patrollers for this reason, and to enforce the laws and taxes.

The Federal Government regulates the prices of items, but this is fair because the items must be the same for everyone, and government officials are not nesicarrily richer than anyone. Also if abuse of power happens, regional governments can vote to impeach officials.


Basicly there is...

Federal Gov - Regulates prices of items, along with some other things like army. It is a small panel of members. elected by the people directly

Regional Gov - (former nations) brings laws to federal gov, sets up petitions and polls

Local gov - counts polls, brings them to regional gov, who they elect. enforces rules and regulations with a police force. works with the other two to provide services and such (healthcare) to the citizens. elected by the people of their town


note: they have some other jobs too, each region gets one or two representative. they DO NOT get paid and have other jobs. they do not get "special treatment" either (therefore making it less appealing to run, and only people who actually care about the people will run, more or less)


the people "watch" the local government, and can remove them. The local governments in turn "watch" their regional governments, and can impeach them. The regional governments "watch" the feds.

Question? Comments? Concerns? Flames?

I like my right to make small trades without anyone taking notice intact actually. Besides you'd need way too many cops to do something like that.

Yeah, that part I was kinda bleh about. As I said, I'm still in the process of making this and its just in its first stages.

Yeah, that part I was kinda bleh about. As I said, I'm still in the process of making this and its just in its first stages.Out of curiousity, have you ever looked into anarchy?

No not really ;)

A wonderful recipie for a huge black market economy. This simply is not going to work even under the idealised conditions.

And why do you call it Humanism? - it is the most anti-human form of administration that I have seen. People do things for themselves, they compete - that is an important part of being human - or do you think the government should also define who has your children (or whose children you will have)?

Im sorry im not good with names ;)

Not to offend, but I don't believe it would work.

Everything is far too 'controlled', and you would essentially be building a world police state, with every transaction eyeballed by everyone. Command economies (It seems like that's what you're aiming for) have generally been proven to be ineffective, with black markets breaking out to make up for their inefficiencies. I know you would allow trading, but the very fact that people would need permission, and government oversight into everything they do would be oppressive.

I would suggest, as someone else posted, into looking into Anarchism, which at least addresses the issue of collective ownership and equal access to material goods. (Not that I'm a proponent of Anarchism.) Anarchism is far less heavy handed, and keeps things on a local level.

Out of curiosity, why the name 'Humanism' for the government type?

A wonderful recipie for a huge black market economy. This simply is not going to work even under the idealised conditions.

And why do you call it Humanism? - it is the most anti-human form of administration that I have seen. People do things for themselves, they compete - that is an important part of being human - or do you think the government should also define who has your children (or whose children you will have)?

Beat me to it. :)

couldnt think of anything and it just popped into my mind randomly lol

couldnt think of anything and it just popped into my mind randomly lol

Hmmm... how about 'Bureaucratic Totalitarianism'?

Or you could give it a friendly name, like Snugglism.

Please... no more posts about the name

Thar be a difference between government type and economic type.

Nice. I'm not for the trading Peeping-Toms, and even if I were...no way you can enforce that. Remember prohibition everyone? Yeah, that's right. If people...a majority of them see a law as blatantly unjust, it won't work. Alcohol sales went up 500% during prohibition, because people hated the law. It would be the same thing with you.

You can not enforce a law like that. A law where both parties consent, the crime lasts only a second, and it's hard as can be to find proof. You'd have groups like "The Christmas Exchange" who used holidays as an excuse to trade...you see what i'm saying?

The Federal Government regulates the prices of items, but this is fair because the items must be the same for everyone, and government officials are not nesicarrily richer than anyone. Also if abuse of power happens, regional governments can vote to impeach officials.

Azmi, this seems like a strongly centrally planned economy/socialism. :(

Why not just let people live free?

People are paid from their jobs, which they can chose, like in a capitalist society, but instead of being unemployed people MUST have a job.I would take up arms against this! It's wrong on many levels:

1) Who's going to own the companies?! A "job" is the peasant's/worker's position. "Employment" implies an employER--the person with a job doesn't own the place he/she's got the job at. I should have the right to be the owner of the company.

2) If I can afford to not work at all, then SOL for all the jealous bastards out there who want me to work anyway.

3) If someone is unequipped to own (and run) a company, but is still so adamant about not doing employment that they're willing to suffer destitution, that should be their right, no matter how crazy it may look to others. Some people are quite fine with living "off the grid."

4) Forced "employment" is slavery, whether or not a veneer of "job choice" is applied. The "forced" part is the important part. To not be slavery, there has to be a viable choice to NOT do it at all.

if you unite the world in such a way though, the law enforcement and military would need so much power. and the leaders of law enforcement/ military would have so much power. It would be easy for one person to put himself into a position to conquer the world...hey wait, why should I complain, I could do it! nvm, continue with this form of government!

Government in which you can request something from the local governments. They will probably give it to you, unless it is of a bigger scale. Even groceries are ordered in that way.



corruption danger

but instead of being unemployed people MUST have a job.



Potential to force people into unproductive jobs such as "terrorist" or more seriously, a painter might be a graffiti artist.

This is heavily enforced, and records are kept of every item issued, every tax paid, and every trade.

Hard to administer - easier just to ask them to pay then do random audits of people and publicly skin them and rip their internal organs out if you catch them cheating regardless of size. People who "rat" on others get to keep their stuff.

The Federal Government regulates the prices of items, but this is fair because the items must be the same for everyone, and government officials are not necessarily richer than anyone.

That is something you would have to actively try to enforce

Also if abuse of power happens, regional governments can vote to impeach officials.

Will they be able to avoid falling under the influence of the government?