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Would you support a person if they walked into the UN tommorow and proposed that we created a United earth?.

People say it isint importent but i think it is think of all the benefits you will get.

1.ONE world currency which would destroy most poverty

2.United Military no need for war except againts rebels.

3.United Government with equal represenation of all member countries means all countries can have equal influence.

4.all countries be seperated into Provinces with the Government in control of trade,military,immigration and space programs i mean witht he wealth of the world together as one what couldnt we do?

this is serious i really do agree it's a good idea we should stop listening to our 'tribal' thoughts and start seeing ourselves as one. when we do that who knows what we can do think of the lifes it can save.

If you disagree tell me why.

Because there'd be monumental corruption, I think your idea stinks.

In theory, it's possible, but only through conquest, and in practice, it would take unimaginable force to do it. The sheer amount of manpower, resources, production and technology needed would cripple any nation that exists today.

I'd support a person walking into the UN and making that proposal. I think it would make for a good laugh, actually. I don't think this proposal would be taken seriously at all.

We're far from having a world were this would work. Nationalism is too strong in many countries. Unlike you, many people the world over would not so easily be able to put aside ethnic, religous, cultural differences and from a single unified government.

Sounds like a lovely idealised scenatio, but it just would not be practical. Trying to implement this would cause monumental bloodshed also.

But, as stated, for comedic value, I'd love to see someone stroll into the UN and put this forward.

Monumental corruption only is allowed because people dont do anything about it.

besides Monumental Corruption exist today within most governments im not saying it will create Utopia im saying it will make things better in the long run.

I knew it wouldnt be a popular idea people are still to used to there 'Tribes' and are more willing to call themselves 'American' or 'English' then 'Human' the problem most likely is we have been brainwashed into thinking we cant make things better and guess what happens they dont if we take a diffrent attitude we can Unite the Earth under ONE flag, ONE Currency this i bet will at least destroy Allot of the worlds Poverty.

But then it's up to you i bet when i stop writing this several more people ahve said no automatically without thinking it threw which i think is sad.

I love my country i never will say i dont but we need to face facts and see that to put it in the nutshell the Human Race wont last with this seperation forever.

In theory, it's possible, but only through conquest, and in practice, it would take unimaginable force to do it. The sheer amount of manpower, resources, production and technology needed would cripple any nation that exists today.

See this was my original idea but then i thought people would react more negative to it.

Infact this is the most possible way to get it but like you say getting the Troops and Supplies needed would take ages little lone the fact that it will lead to a very, very long war with a huge lose of life.

I think if somebody did this they would need to simply make a sort of Confederation first with A few powerful nations and allot of weaker ones pull them together first attack the weaker nations (like africa and some parts of asia) then attack the Middle East for the Oil Reserves (by then hopfully Oil is outdated because there most likely isint enough to make Oil left) then slowly make your way across south america, then attack Europe when you have pulled enough soldiers together you swarm into north america and attack the USA.

The leaders would have to be great at war tho there would be no room for error.

Voted 1.

I see world unification under one government as the long-term goal of the UN. Perhaps 'federation' would be a better word - there will still be national governments.

If you think this will happen with one resolution, though -- change your crack dealer. You're smoking washing powder!

No never one Resolution im just saying would you support the person who did it.

I know that it will take ages when it starts and people would do there best to stop it.

Religion Since when did governments really take Religion seriously i mean they Abuse it's meaning everyday.

Cultural Focus on what we have thats the same heck brainwash them like Americanisation does.

Ethnic Force tolerance im not asking for some kind of politically Correct system force the people to accept others by simply making it illeagal it demonise other Ethnic groups..

change your crack dealer. You're smoking washing powder!

Nothing wrong with the occassional pipe full of washing powder.... is there???

No never one Resolution im just saying would you support the person who did it.

I know that it will take ages when it starts and people would do there best to stop it.

Religion Since when did governments really take Religion seriously i mean they Abuse it's meaning everyday.

Cultural Focus on what we have thats the same heck brainwash them like Americanisation does.

Ethnic Force tolerance im not asking for some kind of politically Correct system force the people to accept others by simply making it illeagal it demonise other Ethnic groups..

I'm not suggesting governments do take religion seriously, but there would be an overwhelming majority of the global population who do take religion seriously, and would not be keen on a universal government that may not pander to their religious needs.

Brainwash them? Force tolerance on them? See, to make this work you have to use force and I think that it is just going to create rebels, militias and undergound groups who will try and undermine the process, causing more bloodshed. It sounds to me like your endorsing violence in order to release humanity from violence. Pretty contradictory don't you think?

No never one Resolution im just saying would you support the person who did it.


Nope. I believe in the cause, but this person is just making us look silly. If you are going to try to usurp the power and privelege of every government on earth, I think a slightly more subtle strategy is called for.
This is revolutionary romanticism. Kid stands up, denounces the injustice of the current regime. Grateful mob elects kid their leader. I don't think so.

I kinda made my own type of socialism, and unifications the only way it would work. The design was made to prevent government corruption. Anyone wanna hear what my socialism is?

Dope!

Rebels....there'd be millions and millions of rebels! Who'd want a peudo UN/American government running everything. Certainly not the middle east, or China or anyone else for that matter.

It'd be War!

I kinda made my own type of socialism, and unifications the only way it would work. The design was made to prevent government corruption. Anyone wanna hear what my socialism is?

Spill it :)
EDIT: OP's call really. But why not? If it's open borders, I'm with you!

if they were going to do it diplomatically, it would be done if chunks of the world had already united, (european union, nafta countries etc)

I don't think you could effectivly govern everyone under one umbrella. I don't think you can effectively govern my nation (US) under one umbrella. The larger the unit the greater the size of the blind spots. I generally don't like the idea of a one world government. What's good for one area isn't good for another.

and i said i was going to be that person where?

Most governments do that and yet people support them today dont they?
I said would you agree if the Wheels started to turn that way i dont have all the dam answers im just giving idea's.

Im not being hippocritical just everyone here is saying what im expecting to hear i thought some people would come out and list some of the major cons of the system.

1.Nearly Constant Loyalist Rebellion

2.Heck would the government have the ability to control the HUGE Economy.

3.Where would the capital be (a simple one)

4.People would say putting a european or asian as head of state is 'racist'

5.would the Military survive such intergration?

See here are some things i hoped some people would have thought of.

I never said i was planning to do this or i have all that we need im just saying would you support a action of World unification?

No. Absolutely no. Hell no. Never.

At the most, the major blocs (like the EU, NAFTA and so on) could collaborate. Closer union than that though? Forget it. Any idiot internationalist dream of a world government is a veritable nightmare to me, and deserves to be exposed for the nonsense it is.

I never said i was planning to do this or i have all that we need im just saying would you support a action of World unification?

yes, yes i would...

Phenixica for predident of the world!!!

Well, if it were me...

3.Where would the capital be (a simple one)

Either Berlin, or I'd build a new one.

4.People would say putting a european or asian as head of state is 'racist'

Too bad.

5.would the Military survive such intergration?

Probably. I'd disband foreign militaries, then offer their former soldiers places in mine.

OK, don't blow a gasket. It's way too early to write off the thread. Sense will prevail.

I'd love to live in a world where you could go live anywhere you liked. Florida would be very crowded, but eventually it would be so crowded and expensive that people would stop coming. I'd be somewhere quiet.

Every national government worth spitting at has subsidiary levels of government (States, provinces, and below that local councils.) It isn't necessary to assume ALL power would be passed up to one enormous beaurocracy.

The centre of government would not be such a huge drama. Virtual government (meeting by videoconference) would do for everyday, and big occasions could move be held in a different place each time, like the Olympics or the World Cup.

It's an interesting idea that voting would be by Nations. How about One Person, One Vote? Eventually.

The only way it could ever work is if regions (ie. original countries) were empowered by this all encompassing government... It wouldn't work as well as people would have to share wealth to an extent and I can't see certain countries wanting to give that up. Nor can I see countries such as Great Britain giving up the monarchy which would have to be done as, although only a ceremonial role, the Queen still technically has to rubber stamp laws and everything like that. People would have to be prepared to give up a lot for the unity to happen and I cannot see every country doing that without a fuss. Look at how the Chechens feel about being governed by Russia. It would be the same for someone most countries to subsequently feel that way after unification unless greater power to control home affairs was delegated to each region. But then that is just the UN isn't it?

Would you support a person if they walked into the UN tommorow and proposed that we created a United earth?.

People say it isint importent but i think it is think of all the benefits you will get.

1.ONE world currency which would destroy most poverty

2.United Military no need for war except againts rebels.

3.United Government with equal represenation of all member countries means all countries can have equal influence.

4.all countries be seperated into Provinces with the Government in control of trade,military,immigration and space programs i mean witht he wealth of the world together as one what couldnt we do?

this is serious i really do agree it's a good idea we should stop listening to our 'tribal' thoughts and start seeing ourselves as one. when we do that who knows what we can do think of the lifes it can save.

If you disagree tell me why.

Great idea. Here's the flag I propose:

http://www.uen.org/utahlink/activities/uploads/3471_a_flag.jpg

...though we'll have to add more stars of course. ;)

Isn't that one of the signs of the apocalypse?

Note: This would NOT work in a normal society without a unified world.
Also... I'm still working out some things, any suggestions would be wonderful. (If you want to flame me at least say why it sucks)

government in which you can request something from the local governments. They will probably give it to you, unless it is of a bigger scale. Even groceries are ordered in that way. People are paid from their jobs, which they can chose, like in a capitalist society, but instead of being unemployed people MUST have a job. They can appeal to not have a job to the regional government. This money is used to pay sales taxes, which would be amazingly high in a capitalist society, but sales are the only real taxes. People may trade items among themselves but also must pay a "Trading Tax" on these items to the government. The Trading Tax is kind of like a tarrif. This is heavily enforced, and records are kept of every item issued, every tax paid, and every trade. This is not a foolproof system, but there are a lot of government accountents willing to do the job so its pretty good. Anyone seen with something they did not request or legally trade is put in jail for anywhere from a couple months to a year, depending on how big of an item. People can make their own things, for example gardens, but they must declare what they have made to the local government. Every neighborhood has government patrollers for this reason, and to enforce the laws and taxes. The Federal Government regulates the prices of items, but this is fair because the items must be the same for everyone, and government officials are not nesicarrily richer than anyone. Also if abuse of power happens, regional governments can vote to impeach officials.


Basicly there is...

Federal Gov - Regulates prices of items, along with some other things like army. It is a small panel of members. elected by the people directly

Regional Gov - (former nations) brings laws to federal gov, sets up petitions and polls

Local gov - counts polls, brings them to regional gov, who they elect. enforces rules and regulations with a police force. works with the other two to provide services and such (healthcare) to the citizens. elected by the people of their town


note: they have some other jobs too, each region gets one or two representative. they DO NOT get paid and have other jobs. they do not get "special treatment" either (therefore making it less appealing to run, and only people who actually care about the people will run, more or less)

World Unification is eminently possible.
The only snag that I foresee is that it would add a LOT of stars to the Star Spangled Banner.

Cool idea, here's how i'd do it:


Single currency, the Euro proves it can be done, although with great differences between rich and poor states, it would have to be 'phased' in, so to speak.
Capitals - since I'd have a 4 branch system (Executive, Legislative, Judicial and Control (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_Yuan)) 'd have 5 federal capitals (2 legislative for each house). Executive in New York, One legislative in South America, another in South Africa, Judicial in Singapore and Control in Australia.
Obviously bicameral legislature, lower house would have 3000 members, but since most work is done in committee, that shouldn't be a problem.
Executive would be collegial - 7 members elected by STV making decisions through a majority vote.
Federal power minimal (immigration state issue still) and based on civil, not common law.

LOL but then it would have to be a government controlled by rich bastards who dont give a shit about the people...

edit... was to bogmarsh

Sure, it's possible, I just don't see it as desirable.

Central governments attract power. This has been the lesson of the US, Canada, Australia, France - all started with great ideas about balancing power between states/provinces and the Central Government (different balance points, true, but a balance nonetheless). In every case, that balance has been upset in favour of the central government, in some cases radically.

And with one government, an insurrection is highly unlikely to get far. One of the prerequisites of a successful insurrection is a safe haven - a border or safe zone where the 'legitimate' forces cannot follow.

Sounds to me like a great recipe for a world dictatorship.

Voted 1.

I see world unification under one government as the long-term goal of the UN. Perhaps 'federation' would be a better word - there will still be national governments.

If you think this will happen with one resolution, though -- change your crack dealer. You're smoking washing powder!

Aha! I new it! New World Order! Black Helicopters! Codes on the back of road signs! AHHHH!

Cool idea, here's how i'd do it:


Single currency, the Euro proves it can be done, although with great differences between rich and poor states, it would have to be 'phased' in, so to speak.
Capitals - since I'd have a 4 branch system (Executive, Legislative, Judicial and Control (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_Yuan)) 'd have 5 federal capitals (2 legislative for each house). Executive in New York, One legislative in South America, another in South Africa, Judicial in Singapore and Control in Australia.
Obviously bicameral legislature, lower house would have 3000 members, but since most work is done in committee, that shouldn't be a problem.
Executive would be collegial - 7 members elected by STV making decisions through a majority vote.
Federal power minimal (immigration state issue still) and based on civil, not common law.


My system is better:


Single currency, the Reichsmark
Single capital, probably Berlin
All power resides with me
Whaddaya think?

Oh I forgot to add... the people "watch" the local government, and can remove them. The local governments in turn "watch" their regional governments, and can impeach them. The regional governments "watch" the feds.

Sure, it's possible, I just don't see it as desirable.

Central governments attract power. This has been the lesson of the US, Canada, Australia, France - all started with great ideas about balancing power between states/provinces and the Central Government (different balance points, true, but a balance nonetheless). In every case, that balance has been upset in favour of the central government, in some cases radically.

And with one government, an insurrection is highly unlikely to get far. One of the prerequisites of a successful insurrection is a safe haven - a border or safe zone where the 'legitimate' forces cannot follow.

Sounds to me like a great recipe for a world dictatorship.

Well, we'll give them a certain area, say fifty square miles. And when they get there, they have to yell 'Base!'.

Sounds fair, no?

Isn't that one of the signs of the apocalypse?

That is a point in it's favour, yes. Let's call the world govt "the Beast!"
EDIT: and here's the World Salute: http://www.putfile.com/hobos

My system is better:


Single currency, the Reichsmark
Single capital, probably Berlin
All power resides with me
Whaddaya think?


Mine is better.
* single currency, the Peat Lump.
* double capital: my living room, and my bath room.
* all power resides with Bogmarsh, and not some silly person.

I think it's perfect!

Mine is better.
* single currency, the Peat Lump.
* double capital: my living room, and my bath room.
* all power resides with Bogmarsh, and not some silly person.

I think it's perfect!

one nation, under bog :p

one nation, under bog :p

With freedom and justice for Bog + his cronies!

With freedom and justice for Bog + his cronies!

as long as i'm on the list

as long as i'm on the list

Of course.
Scratch my back and I scratch yours.
( That goes with Yootopia too! )

Of course.
Scratch my back and I scratch yours.
( That goes with Yootopia too! )

if all i have to do is scratch you, sure, i'm there :p

With freedom and justice for Bog + his cronies!

And the occasional pizza.


Mmm. Pizza.

And the occasional pizza.


Mmm. Pizza.


Vote for Bog.
Be loved by Bog.
Eat well.
Sleep lots.


*produces pizza*

if all i have to do is scratch you, sure, i'm there :p


ah - but scratch me where?

ah - but scratch me where?
on your back. duh

Vote for Bog.
Be loved by Bog.
Eat well.
Sleep lots.


*produces pizza*

Wow, thanks! Don't mind if I do!!

http://static.flickr.com/30/64846108_8fa8de5200_s.jpg

on your back. duh
Just on my back, oh companion of the royal/imperial bedchamber?

*produces pizza*

I was just about to mock your plan for world government. But if you've got pizza for 5 billion, it's a lock.

Just on my back, oh companion of the royal/imperial bedchamber?

listen, if you need scratching anywhere else I suggest some chamomile lotion and abstinence from bedchamber activities until fully recovered!

I was just about to mock your plan for world government. But if you've got pizza for 5 billion, it's a lock.


*taps keyboard*
one sec while I re*arrange the dollar/peat lump ratio...

listen, if you need scratching anywhere else I suggest some chamomile lotion and abstinence from bedchamber activities until fully recovered!


*pouts*


random edit: bump edit: http://www.xtrememass.com/forum//images/smilies/blow.gif

*pouts*
:fluffle:

People don't like to give up their power, so they wouldn't be for a unified nation. Most aren't even for the UNITED NATIONS, so how would they take the ten steps farther than that and actually become one?

:fluffle:
:fluffle:

Peace love and understanding as a giant package deal.
Not sold seperately.

:fluffle:

Peace love and understanding as a giant package deal.
Not sold seperately.

*nodz*

*nodz*

Just - or Cruel?

You'll be the... no no no! I do the judging 'round here...

Just - or Cruel?

You'll be the... no no no! I do the judging 'round here...

...and i'll do the punishment

wheres my whip

...and i'll do the punishment

wheres my whip

Oho! A spanking! :fluffle:

People don't like to give up their power
That's some statement. There are countries working politically which have more citizens than all of Europe had when nation-states formed amidst feudalism. Federation wouldn't be easy, but it can't just be dismissed like that. If people never delegated their power, we wouldn't have got to the hunting stage of civilization.
so they wouldn't be for a unified nation. Most aren't even for the UNITED NATIONS, so how would they take the ten steps farther than that and actually become one?
I take it you're against the idea then. "It can't be done" is often the first line of defence against something you disapprove of. EDIT: ooh, that was narky.
EDIT: Midnight. Good-night. It's all good. :)

Oho! A spanking! :fluffle:

u wish

There are two reasons why I don't think that a world government is possible.

France and Texas.

The only reason either of them are even close to content to be in their respective unions is because they both feel they have a controlling role.

Also, could you imagine having both of them under the same government?

u wish

I thought I was Boss of the World around here?

I thought I was Boss of the World around here?

behind every great man is a great woman... wearing the pants

muwahahaha

please dont lock me in the tower and moderatley stone me

behind every great man is a great woman... wearing the pants

muwahahaha

please dont lock me in the tower and moderatley stone me

*proudly dons a kilt*

I won't stone you. But I might do summat else, lass!

In theory its good, just like Communism but won't work in reality. The nearest thing that will come to it will be a more unified version of the current EU. Corruption would probably be rampant, yes there could be a move to work against it, but lets face it the world will never be rid of it.
Anyway I nominate myself as President.

*proudly dons a kilt*

I won't stone you. But I might do summat else, lass!

ooO?

:eek:

ooO?

:eek:


*locks both you and him into tower for a weekend of frolicking*

*locks both you and him into tower for a weekend of frolicking*

hahaha

u'd have to catch me first

hahaha

u'd have to catch me first


On monday!

Bibi!

On monday!

Bibi!

t'ra

There are two reasons why I don't think that a world government is possible.

France and Texas.

The only reason either of them are even close to content to be in their respective unions is because they both feel they have a controlling role.

Also, could you imagine having both of them under the same government?

No, if only becuase:

a) Texas would forever be pointing out that it is bigger by 2 Scotlands.

b) Barbeque'd escargot? Choux de Bruxelles catfish? **HURL!**

c) France would insist on speaking French. :D

the human race would evolve very slowly bcuz now that there r no 1 to compete with people would be happy the way they are.The people wouldnt even try a little which end up to my conclusion ...thing are ok as they are.

Only way it might work is if a sovereign people's assembly, with votes proportional to population rather than wealth, were set up to deal with PURELY global issues e.g climate change, poverty etc, thus not removing too much power from state governments. But still, we rely on small but rich countries deciding in a spirit of democracy to give up their disproportionate influence on a global scale. Oh looky, the Air Force Pork Squadron are flying right outside my window!:p

We already have a unified earth, people just fool themselves with madeup things like "countires" and "laws" ;)