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After watching news night last night, I don't know about you but I am so fed up with listening to the hypcritical views of the Muslim Community...why is this community the one that always seems to be the centre of attention?


basically...how do British people think 7/7 has changed community relations in the UK? What should be done?
Is it up to the government, or to the Muslim Community?

Um, as opposed to the hypocritical British people, who mourn the death of 52 people and give them two minutes silence but completely ignore the hundreds of deaths from terrorism, disease, war and starvation around the world every day?

I think remembering those who died last year is a very good thing. But it's not 'hypocritical' of people to point out that, in the great big scheme of things, it wasn't that big an event.

The word hypocritical tends to be slightly over-used here.

Not sure what is meant by it these days.

After watching news night last night, I don't know about you but I am so fed up with listening to the hypcritical views of the Muslim Community...why is this community the one that always seems to be the centre of attention?


basically...how do British people think 7/7 has changed community relations in the UK? What should be done?
Is it up to the government, or to the Muslim Community?

I think to truly understand what you're getting at you need to elaborate on what those hypocritical views are.

I don't think that 7/7 made as much of a diffrence to Britian as people thought. Opposition to anti-terror legislation is there. It brought London together as a cohesive unit slightly more than previously, but my view of it is that London has always been a unified city. People forget that London has experianced domestic terrorism before this. This isnt to say that I dont think its a tragic loss for the families, but I do think that people may be overblowing it, as many people overblow 11/9

Your views do not make sense.

it seems to me, that people are being terrorised by the media, being influenced to scrutenize and judge a certain community and certain type of person, purely based on their appearance

the man sitting next to you on the train with his starbucks coffee and his daily mail with his white skin and blue eyes can be a muslim. It's a faith, not a skin colour.

I think people are more aware, but with extensive and excessive media attention it's becoming normal, so it's not having as big an impact as it would have done 4 years ago.

Your views do not make sense.

I think you have to quote someone with that phrase, as no one knows who you mean or why you say that

Two minutes' silence for 54 people?

More people will die of hunger and easily preventable illnesses in that time.

And going on this timescale, why the hell do the victims of World War one only get one minute?

At 27 people per minute, we'd have about 8 hours or so of silence, for the Great British casualties alone, let alone Irish and Dominion forces.



My pity genuinely goes out to the families of the deceased, because the BBC have been playing the footage so much to basically use it as propoganda.

It's like the tape they were sent on the sixth. "Al-Qaeda propaganda" they said.

When you show it about 50 times and talk about how bad Al-Qaeda are and how justified the "War on Terror" is because of this tape, who's really using it as propaganda?

i don't think 7/7 has changed my view or attitude on anything much. has it for other people :confused: (well i guess if you buy into the sensationalist nonsense the papers spout... you might)

This isnt to say that I dont think its a tragic loss for the families, but I do think that people may be overblowing it, as many people overblow 11/9

Overblow 9/11? They rammed airplanes into skyscrapers.

I don't think it has, really, no.

I reckon it was a government-orchestrated plot designed to bring about ethnic cleansing, because people would be pretty pissed off, and it was stated about forty-three billion times that THEY ARE MUSLIMS.

If that was the idea, it failed entirely.

People didn't seem to be that bothered, really. The IRA have killed many more people in London, and people aren't that bothered about them either.

Overblow 9/11? They rammed airplanes into skyscrapers.
Yes, but there was a thread on here not so long ago comparing it with the blitz in terms of devastation and suffering. That's overblowing it.

Overblow 9/11? They rammed airplanes into skyscrapers.
Yeah... they did. And they killed about three and a half thousand people.

And that was used as an excuse to kill fifty thousand or so civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The US government should be ashamed that they used such a tragedy for their own purposes.

I reckon it was a government-orchestrated plot designed to bring about ethnic cleansing, because people would be pretty pissed off, and it was stated about forty-three billion times that THEY ARE MUSLIMS.

Yes! And 9/11 was perpetrated by the JOOS!

People didn't seem to be that bothered, really. The IRA have killed many more people in London, and people aren't that bothered about them either.

The IRA are disarmed.

Yes! And 9/11 was perpetrated by the JOOS!
Urmm OK then... I'm not entirely sure that it was...

What are you trying to say?
The IRA are disarmed.
Their splinter groups are still armed.

Yes, but there was a thread on here not so long ago comparing it with the blitz in terms of devastation and suffering. That's overblowing it.

Three thousand people were killed by religious extremists, in peacetime, in what was perceived to be a safe place, with AIRPLANES rammed into SKYSCRAPERS.

Yeah... they did. And they killed about three and a half thousand people.

And that was used as an excuse to kill fifty thousand or so civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The US government should be ashamed that they used such a tragedy for their own purposes.

I'd say that it gave them ( the US ) every necessary excuse to eliminate the very society that spawned such terrorists.
The idea that they ( al Qaeda) are dissenters doesn't ring true. It is more like they are the archetype - and their own society is not exactly taking steps to ensure that all their members have an appropriate ( and docile!) behaviour towards OUR nick of the woods.

Three thousand people were killed by religious extremists, in peacetime, in what was perceived to be a safe place, with AIRPLANES rammed into SKYSCRAPERS.
Oh noes!

The US caught off-guard crisis!

Urmm OK then... I'm not entirely sure that it was...

What are you trying to say?

I'm saying that your theory is shit.

Their splinter groups are still armed.

Big whoop.

Oh noes!

The US caught off-guard crisis!

It was possibly the largest single loss of life in the West since WWII, and probably the largest in the US since the Civil War. Then again, I'm almost definitely wrong.

I'd say that it gave them ( the US ) every necessary excuse to eliminate the very society that spawned such terrorists.
By that logic you'd assume that since the US has been our allies for a while now, instead of sending the IRA Armalites, they'd have crushed them also.
The idea that they ( al Qaeda) are dissenters doesn't ring true. It is more like they are the archetype - and their own society is not exactly taking steps to ensure that all their members have an appropriate ( and docile!) behaviour towards OUR nick of the woods.
Or possibly, it's just a showing that agressive foreign policy and the legacy of previous meddling and warfare in a region will get you attacked when you least expect it.

It was possibly the largest single loss of life in the West since WWII, and probably the largest in the US since the Civil War. Then again, I'm almost definitely wrong.
Largest US loss since the civil war?

What about the Normandy landings?

And yes, it was possibly the largest loss of life in the West since world war two, but at 3000 people in a country of 300-ish million, it was proportionally not that large.

And using it as an excuse to attack two countries which have little to do with the attacks, killing many more thousands of civilians in those countries, is ridiculous.

Largest US loss since the civil war?

What about the Normandy landings?

And yes, it was possibly the largest loss of life in the West since world war two, but at 3000 people in a country of 300-ish million, it was proportionally not that large.

And using it as an excuse to attack two countries which have little to do with the attacks, killing many more thousands of civilians in those countries, is ridiculous.

Typo. I meant to say civilian deaths.

And although Iraq was a bad idea, Afghanistan almost definitely harboured terrorists. Besides, Afghanistan was so shitty that things could only get better.

I'm saying that your theory is shit.
People are generally against the new "anti-terrorism" laws, so the government wanted to do something to sort that "problem" out, as well as people not being conned that Muslims are the source of all evil.

So they blow up a train or two, and a bus, and 54 people are dead. That is rather sad.

And then this is blamed on the Muslim community profusely, and is given as a reason that we need harser anti-terrorism laws.

And since the press are looking for something vaguely interesting to talk about, it gets slapped on every front page with "THEY HATE OUR FREEDOMS! THE US WAS RIGHT AFTER ALL!" or whatever.
Big whoop.
Yes, that's exactly my point.

1. By that logic you'd assume that since the US has been our allies for a while now, instead of sending the IRA Armalites, they'd have crushed them also.

2. Or possibly, it's just a showing that agressive foreign policy and the legacy of previous meddling and warfare in a region will get you attacked when you least expect it.


1. Indeed. One of the more serious blots on the US record.

2. Not interested in that, my focus is on holding certain troublesome societies collectively responsible.
'Give me head, not grief.'
Or your existence will become very precarious.
Tis a repeat, and I would not debate it at length, but it remains my firm opinion that the best way to ensure human survival in this millenium revolves around denying all other powers than the 5 Veto Powers, all ways of making mischief.

Typo. I meant to say civilian deaths.
Yeah, probably.
Afghanistan almost definitely harboured terrorists.
So does every single country in the world. The seed of terrorism is everywhere whre life is shitty, or people are just angered a lot by the actions of other states.
Besides, Afghanistan was so shitty that things could only get better.
Yes, I'm sure the US Military's reputation of benevolence preceeded it...

2. Not interested in that, my focus is on holding certain troublesome societies collectively responsible.
'Give me head, not grief.'
Or your existence will become very precarious.
Tis a repeat, and I would not debate it at length, but it remains my firm opinion that the best way to ensure human survival in this millenium revolves around denying all other powers than the 5 Veto Powers, all ways of making mischief.
You can't really blame people for having crap lives, and I've never really believed in your theories, truth be told.

You can't really blame people for having crap lives, and I've never really believed in your theories, truth be told.


I know, no more than I believe in yours.
*shrug* I'm happy enough to grant you your biases, as long as you grant me mine.

I know, no more than I believe in yours.
*shrug* I'm happy enough to grant you your biases, as long as you grant me mine.
Fair enough! Tolerance for all! (Well... some including you)

Fair enough! Tolerance for all! (Well... some including you)

Fair deal, and we even can vote for the same party. :D

*goes off for lunch*

Fair deal, and we even can vote for the same party. :D

*goes off for lunch*
The Lib Dems ftw!

*stays for a bit and contemplates going down to the shops*

Yes, I'm sure the US Military's reputation of benevolence preceeded it...

Better some US bombings than the taliban. Fuckers. You know that if you were a woman and your husband died, you were prohibited from working? That's right, it's time to starve!

Better some US bombings than the taliban.
In your opinion.
Fuckers. You know that if you were a woman and your husband died, you were prohibited from working? That's right, it's time to starve!
Or just sell what you own...

In your opinion.

Or just sell what you own...


*combines that with the F-word*

To be honnest. I completely forgot about 7/7 until yesterday evening. This is after having gone into the city for an opticians appointment.

So basically for 7/7 hasn't changed me. Ultimately those 4 people failed in their aims. They managed to kill 54 people. Nothing else. Killing people really isn't that hard. Now getting them to change their opinions is, as people can be real stuborn in their views.

London is still her, doing exactly what it's always done. Nothing has changed. Well maybe the topics that the politicans and pressure groups talk has changed. But we live in an apathetic world. No one listens to them, because they feel what they talk about doesn't effect them.

Or just sell what you own...

You're probably not allowed to.

Please don't tell me that you think the taliban were GOOD leaders?

Overblow 9/11? They rammed airplanes into skyscrapers.

Yes, 5 years ago. People talk about it as if it was today and refuse to let wounds heal.

Or just sell what you own...

And what happens when the money from that runs out?

Yes, 5 years ago. People talk about it as if it was today and refuse to let wounds heal.

Do you forget a bloodfeud because of the passage of time?

Not me.

Do you forget a bloodfeud because of the passage of time?

Not me.

i haven't been paying attention.. whats going on now?

i haven't been paying attention.. whats going on now?

He was talking about letting 911 go cuz it was so long ago...

Blood feuds don't end because time goes by.

Our relationships with the near east is not Casablanca, and there is no happy end.

He was talking about letting 911 go cuz it was so long ago...

Blood feuds don't end because time goes by.

Our relationships with the near east is not Casablanca, and there is no happy end.

gotcha

gotcha

*caught by Mssie* :fluffle:

*caught by Mssie* :fluffle:
lol :fluffle:

lol :fluffle:


I think I need to check my telegrams?

Three thousand people were killed by religious extremists, in peacetime, in what was perceived to be a safe place, with AIRPLANES rammed into SKYSCRAPERS.
Yes, you're right. And? :confused: My point was that some people are saying that in terms of devastation and suffering the 9/11 attacks can be equated to the blitz. Which is, frankly, crap. Just because it was in peacetime, it was supposedly a safe place, and that it was by religious extremists doesn't change shit.

Yes, you're right. And? :confused: My point was that some people are saying that in terms of devastation and suffering the 9/11 attacks can be equated to the blitz. Which is, frankly, crap. Just because it was in peacetime, it was supposedly a safe place, and that it was by religious extremists doesn't change shit.


Let me explain something here.

One single incident, one single hair on one of my lambs hurt by a representative of another society, in the absence of appropriate expiation of that society
equals:
Total War.

I work on the transport network and 7/7 certainly changed our routine. The awareness amongst transport staff of the possibility of suicide bombings has increased greatly. We have faced attack before from the IRA and it has become a matter of course to check out empty bags, bins etc, but the method of suicide bombing is almost undetectable. It frightened many people on the network for a long time and it is a sobering thought that you could be a target for simply doing your job.

Let me explain something here.

One single incident, one single hair on one of my lambs hurt by a representative of another society, in the absence of appropriate expiation of that society
equals:
Total War.
Maybe so, but GA is Australian, not American.

I think to truly understand what you're getting at you need to elaborate on what those hypocritical views are.


Ok, let me clarify, on Newsnight a Muslim man said he said the reason muslims come to this country is for the "freedom of speech", "rights", etc...did nobody explain to him this includes freedom of the press (which if you remember the muslims went crazy about the mohammed joke)??

Yeah... they did. And they killed about three and a half thousand people.

And that was used as an excuse to kill fifty thousand or so civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The US government should be ashamed that they used such a tragedy for their own purposes.
Hey, dumbass, I'd like to remind you that the terrorists purposefully killed civilians, whilst we accidentally killed civilians. Some of those 50,000 have been killed by little pieces of shit we call Islamic fundamentalists. Don't blame America for this, because we didn't ask for worthless people to take our planes and use them against us.

perhaps muslims should leave? Many of them are open and happy stating they hate the west and Britian and that attacks are justifiable. To me this is disgusting and something has to be done.

perhaps muslims should leave? Many of them are open and happy stating they hate the west and Britian and that attacks are justifiable. To me this is disgusting and something has to be done.

Yeah, lets deport every single one, regardless of whether they were born in this country or not, and forgetting the fact that not every single muslim is a fucking terrorist.

What's more, in this country we have this little thing called "freedom of speech". Anyone can say how much they hate Britain or western civilisation. It's disgusting and abhorrant, but that's the price for having a free society. Remember, in Iran, you couldn't say you don't like Islamic culture. (You can in Britain as long as the PC brigade ain't around;))

Hey, dumbass, I'd like to remind you that the terrorists purposefully killed civilians, whilst we accidentally killed civilians. Some of those 50,000 have been killed by little pieces of shit we call Islamic fundamentalists. Don't blame America for this, because we didn't ask for worthless people to take our planes and use them against us.

Oh, hey. Who was it exactly that funded the precursors to Al Quaeda in order to fight 'Ze Evil Commies'? Without those funds, Al Quaeda might have been rather smaller, even with Bin Ladens millions.

Everybody like it,there is nobody who can kook better than you

Hey, dumbass, I'd like to remind you that the terrorists purposefully killed civilians, whilst we accidentally killed civilians. Some of those 50,000 have been killed by little pieces of shit we call Islamic fundamentalists. Don't blame America for this, because we didn't ask for worthless people to take our planes and use them against us.
Having aggressive foreign policy and assuming that people will play along with whatever the US wants does pretty much equate to asking to get attacked in my mind.

Have you never seen some bully or another push people around only to get the shit kicked out of them when they least expect it?

Because it's shocking, yet it needs to happen. I feel the same about September 11th.

Because every superpower needs to be reminded once in a while that it isn't completely infallable, and that eventually people will strike back.

It would have been much, much better had fewer people died (because 3000 people is, after all, rather a lot) but what happened was inevitable.