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Here are some rules/facts of Capitalism:

1. 5% of the global population owns 95% of it's wealth (The Unequal Disrtibution of Wealth). LEGAL!
2. Those who have the most get to make all the rules.
3. The more money you got, the more you can make.
4. The less money you got, the less you can get.
5. The poorer you are, the more expensive everything is.
6. The poorer you are, the iller you will be; the sooner you will die, and the worse off your kids will be.
7. The poorer you are, the worse your education will be, and the worse your job will be.
8. The worse the pay, the harder the job.
9. The higher they pay, the easier the job.
10. If you're really rich, you're a capitalist; you don't need to do any work at all.
11. The poor pay for every mistake made by the rich.
12. Rich people start wars, the poor people have to fight.
13. Most people get rich by inheriting.
14. Most poor people stay poor through hard work, thrift, and sacrifice.

Thats enough rules,

You decide, have I made these up, or do they sound like things you've thought as well. Now tell me, do you actually agree with these rules?

I got this from a movie called "Capitalism and Other Kids Stuff." Its an hour long video that you can watch (and soon to order) on this site:

http://www.myspace.com/worldsocialism

Its the myspace site of the (US) World Socilaist Party.

And again:

The Rules of Socialism

1. 1% of the global population owns 95% of it's wealth, "on behalf of" everyone else.
2. Those with the guns get to make all the rules.
3. The more money you got, the more they can take away from you.
4. The less money you got, the less dangerous you are to the leaders.
5. The poorer you are, the less quality foreign imports you get.
6. Regardless of your income, your doctor will be ill-qualified to do anything more than basic GP services. All the specialists have fled or are in re-education camp.
7. Regardless of your income, don't expect anything more than some basic reading and writing skills from your education.
8. All jobs are backbreakingly hard, and you have to do them or else you get shot.
9. Except if you're a big figure in the party.
10. If you're really rich, you get shot.
11. You don't pay for your own mistakes, everyone else does.
12. Party leaders start wars, the poor people have to fight.
13. Most people get rich by stealing and corruption.
14. Everyone stays poor through hard work, thrift, and sacrifice.

The world sucks

And again:

That is not "true" socialism. That is a dictatorship.
You are only describing past failures at creating a communist world. The only reason they failed is because they were surrounded by capialist pigs like you that didnt want to give up their wealth/power to the less fortunate that you created!

Bump.

I want to hear from socialist and capitalist. Both should watch the film. Do capitalist have the guts?

99.9% of the wealth is the the West. West's fault? No, everyone else's fault for not fixing their shit.

Capitalism: It's not our fault you suck

Socialism: It's your fault we suck! It just is! Give us your monays! *rifle*

Bump.

I want to hear from socialist and capitalist. Both should watch the film. Do capitalist have the guts?
The guy in the film is British--no fucking way.

Besides, your arguements are making me want to convert to Capitalist rather than stay barely socialist.

10. If you're really rich, you're a capitalist; you don't need to do any work at all.

Wrong. Communist thinking. Anyone with a lot of money worked their arse-off for it.

The guy in the film is British--no fucking way.

Besides, your arguements are making me want to convert to Capitalist rather than stay barely socialist.

Convert. Capitalism works because it's actually a complete system in itself; socialism is a stepping stone to communism. Then again, I don't know your definition of socialism. True socialism is what the USSR had, in anticipation of coming communism.

Here are some rules/facts of Capitalism:

1. 5% of the global population owns 95% of it's wealth (The Unequal Disrtibution of Wealth). LEGAL!
2. Those who have the most get to make all the rules.
3. The more money you got, the more you can make.
4. The less money you got, the less you can get.
5. The poorer you are, the more expensive everything is.
6. The poorer you are, the iller you will be; the sooner you will die, and the worse off your kids will be.
7. The poorer you are, the worse your education will be, and the worse your job will be.
8. The worse the pay, the harder the job.
9. The higher they pay, the easier the job.
10. If you're really rich, you're a capitalist; you don't need to do any work at all.
11. The poor pay for every mistake made by the rich.
12. Rich people start wars, the poor people have to fight.
13. Most people get rich by inheriting.
14. Most poor people stay poor through hard work, thrift, and sacrifice.

Thats enough rules,

You decide, have I made these up, or do they sound like things you've thought as well. Now tell me, do you actually agree with these rules?

I got this from a movie called "Capitalism and Other Kids Stuff." Its an hour long video that you can watch (and soon to order) on this site:

http://www.myspace.com/worldsocialism

Its the myspace site of the (US) World Socilaist Party.
My quote in relation to Socialism: "if everyone is equal, everyone is miserable [or poor]."

My qoute in relation to Socialism: "if everyone is equal, everyone is miserable [or poor]."

That's exactly what I say. In capitalism, if you're rich, you worked for it, good for you. If you're poor, you at least get the chance to work and become rich one day. In socialism, everyone is poor together, and the only opportunity to succeed is to somehow wiggle your way into the party.

Where is that "not this shit again" picture with a guy who looks like Ronald Reagan slapping his forehead when we need it?

And again:

You are only describing past failures at creating a communist world. The only reason they failed is because they were surrounded by capialist pigs like you that didnt want to give up their wealth/power to the less fortunate that you created!

A handy hint, from a commie-pinko:

Drop the "capitalist pigs" thing. Really, it's just silly.

Where is that "not this shit again" picture with a guy who looks like Ronald Reagan slapping his forehead when we need it?
www.google.com, n00b.

13. Most people get rich by stealing and corruption.
14. Everyone stays poor through hard work, thrift, and sacrifice.
Stealing leads to arrest. If I buy things for a low price, and sell them for a a high price, that is NOT stealing.
You stay poor through hard work, and thrift? You stay poor through not working, big spending, and selfishness.

Wrong. Communist thinking. Anyone with a lot of money worked their arse-off for it.
Paris Hilton.
My quote in relation to Socialism: "if everyone is equal, everyone is miserable [or poor]."
If everyone has the same level of income, it is just as true that they are all rich. Rich and poor are comparative terms which cannot be used when things are equal. It is like saying that two equal lenght sticks are both short.
Convert. Capitalism works because it's actually a complete system in itself; socialism is a stepping stone to communism. Then again, I don't know your definition of socialism. True socialism is what the USSR had, in anticipation of coming communism.
My definition of socialism is messed up. If I was giving governing powers, I would probably keep the country capitolist. Tighten a few regulations here, ditch some there; overall it would be about the same.

But you can always dream I suppose. Or gentically modify.

Where is that "not this shit again" picture with a guy who looks like Ronald Reagan slapping his forehead when we need it?
All I could find was this (http://www.senorcafe.com/archives/RWR.jpg).

Stealing leads to arrest. If I buy things for a low price, and sell them for a a high price, that is NOT stealing.
You stay poor through hard work, and thrift? You stay poor through not working, big spending, and selfishness.

*is amused*

99.9% of the wealth is the the West. West's fault? No, everyone else's fault for not fixing their shit.

Considering that in about 30 years time the worlds economies will be mostly dominated by the Asian giants, with a niche for luxury goods in Europe, I wonder if you will think the same way then.

www.google.com, n00b.
Thanks for the tip, you Gen 3 Aussie commiefucker. :rolleyes:

http://www.theforumsite.com/images/galleries/mid_fccf0db64799ce0299a0ca7b417700b0.jpg

Point made.

Thanks for the tip, you Gen 3 Aussie commiefucker. :rolleyes:


You're welcome, n00b. :)

If everyone has the same level of income, it is just as true that they are all rich. Rich and poor are comparative terms which cannot be used when things are equal. It is like saying that two equal lenght sticks are both short.

No. If everyone had the same amount of money, it wouldn't be worth anything. And as for actors, people are entertained by them. What incentive would there be to act, if big money wasn't in it?

Capitalism is an imperfect system, but it works pretty well. All forms of known socialism are crappy. There is no known economic system better or even comparable to capitalism.

No. If everyone had the same amount of money, it wouldn't be worth anything. And as for actors, people are entertained by them. What incentive would there be to act, if big money wasn't in it?
Recognition? Fun job?

Considering that in about 30 years time the worlds economies will be mostly dominated by the Asian giants, with a niche for luxury goods in Europe, I wonder if you will think the same way then.

There's only one giant in Asia, and it's China. And their growth is unsustainable; they'll smash into a wall soon. ESPECIALLY, with the oil crisis looming. They West will suffer too, but cope and develop alternative energies.

If everyone has the same level of income, it is just as true that they are all rich. Rich and poor are comparative terms which cannot be used when things are equal. It is like saying that two equal lenght sticks are both short.
That would be true if there were no other sticks in the world to which they could be compared. However, as people under socialism have tended to be overall poorer than people under capitalism, it stands to reason that as long as capitalism exists socialism will not work.

Wrong. Communist thinking. Anyone with a lot of money worked their arse-off for it.

Yeah. Rich heirs worked their arse-off to earn what they inherited.

You're welcome, n00b. :)
Call again, old fart. ^.^

There's only one giant in Asia, and it's China. And their growth is unsustainable; they'll smash into a wall soon. ESPECIALLY, with the oil crisis looming. They West will suffer too, but cope and develop alternative energies.

You are ignoring India and Russia. According to the BRIC thesis in 2050 the dominating countries will be Brasil, Russia, India and China.

There's only one giant in Asia, and it's China. And their growth is unsustainable; they'll smash into a wall soon. ESPECIALLY, with the oil crisis looming. They West will suffer too, but cope and develop alternative energies.
What if the "save the world" energy solution is thought up in China?

Yeah. Rich heirs worked their arse-off to earn what they inherited.

It's not their fault that their family did work hard.

That would be true if there were no other sticks in the world to which they could be compared. However, as people under socialism have tended to be overall poorer than people under capitalism, it stands to reason that as long as capitalism exists socialism will not work.
I was hoping you'd ignore that part.:p

It's not their fault that their family did work hard.

Or was nobility.

You are ignoring India and Russia. According to the BRIC thesis in 2050 the dominating countries will be Brasil, Russia, India and China.

India and China I can believe. Brazil? Maybe. Russia? You're source is full of shit. Russia's dead now, give up on them.

And either way, there's little room for growth. When oil gets increasingly expensive and scarce, developing countries will be hit worst.

Yeah. Rich heirs worked their arse-off to earn what they inherited.
Some caps (like me) believe inheritance should be abolished.... or at least severely taxed.

Or was nobility.

The vast majority of the rich come from business empires, not European nobility.

I was hoping you'd ignore that part.:p
Sadly, hope is a poor debate factor. :p

What if the "save the world" energy solution is thought up in China?

Not likely. The West leads in that, AFAIK.

India and China I can believe. Brazil? Maybe. Russia? You're source is full of shit. Russia's dead now, give up on them.

And either way, there's little room for growth. When oil gets increasingly expensive and scarce, developing countries will be hit worst.
I dunno. I remember the Russian oil company being the fourth largest company in the World. That has to be helpful. Plus there are still alot of smart Russians. If they could get some investment, things could start moving there.

Sadly, hope is a poor debate factor. :p
Fortunately, I have never been a good debater. So it all works out fine.
Not likely. The West leads in that, AFAIK.
But who knows, the Chinese may be forced to look at the problem a different way, and not re-invent the technology we have been working on. However, they could cheat and rip off our inefficient crap.

I dunno. I remember the Russian oil company being the fourth largest company in the World. That has to be helpful. Plus there are still alot of smart Russians. If they could get some investment, things could start moving there.

Russia has a historical tendency to get on the right track, and then completely fuck it all up.

Russia has a historical tendency to get on the right track, and then completely fuck it all up.
Good point. But sometimes patterns change.

I dunno. I remember the Russian oil company being the fourth largest company in the World. That has to be helpful. Plus there are still alot of smart Russians. If they could get some investment, things could start moving there.


Fortunately, I have never been a good debater. So it all works out fine.

But who knows, the Chinese may be forced to look at the problem a different way, and not re-invent the technology we have been working on. However, they could cheat and rip off our inefficient crap.

The next major power will be eastern, Russia, China and other powers have even considered a EU like arrangement. Russia's got so many natural recources they cant even exploit them all - And China has the largest manufacturing sector. Do you realize what this combination represents!?

Btw China and Russia have already done military exercises together.

Here are some rules/facts of Capitalism:

[QUOTE=Albu-querque]1. 5% of the global population owns 95% of it's wealth (The Unequal Disrtibution of Wealth). LEGAL!
no, you will not trick us with an ezaggeration
2. Those who have the most get to make all the rules.
and in communism the party gets to make all the rules, and they are typically worse.
3. The more money you got, the more you can make.
wrong.
4. The less money you got, the less you can get.
wrong
5. The poorer you are, the more expensive everything is.
what do mean by that
6. The poorer you are, the iller you will be; the sooner you will die, and the worse off your kids will be.and in communism everyone is poor, ill, will die young, and their kids will be bad off, unless they happen to be in the party7. The poorer you are, the worse your education will be, and the worse your job will be.
And in comminusm your education and job will always be terrible
8. The worse the pay, the harder the job.
thats not capitalist rule. thats true regardless of the system, so it would make a good argument against communism.
9. The higher they pay, the easier the job.
thats not capitalist rule. thats true regardless of the system, so it would make a good argument against communism.
10. If you're really rich, you're a capitalist; you don't need to do any work at all.
no. you really have to work our arse off for it. and if its inheritated then still someone worked their arse of for the money. and no, its not the poor people
11. The poor pay for every mistake made by the rich.
no.
12. Rich people start wars, the poor people have to fight.
No. but if you change "rich people" to "the party", you have a good argument against communism.
13. Most people get rich by inheriting.
but someone originally worked their arse of for that money your inheriting.
14. Most poor people stay poor through hard work, thrift, and sacrifice.
In communism even more so.

The next major power will be eastern, Russia, China and other powers have even considered a EU like arrangement. Russia's got so many natural recources they cant even exploit them all - And China has the largest manufacturing sector. Do you realize what this combination represents!?

And the oil crash will crush them both.

shut the socialists up now!

yeah, I just said this on another thread, and it applies to this one.

What the hell are you talking about Socialism doesnt work, its in several countries. And it can run fine with Democracy if you want it too. When it comes to Communism, Humanity simply isnt ready for that yet.

Free market sucks. Along with Privatized helthcare. You think otherwise? you never have been poor in America. There are so, so, many MANY hard working americans WHO GET SHIT! for money. The poor here are forced to be so by corperate monopolys on the government. I know people who graduated from a 4-year collage and after 30 years and shit loads of work are farther behind than when they started. Capitalism is bullshit. Insurance is bullshit. Socialism and communism is much better. If you dont agree then you've never been on the bottom, you've only watched from the top and made excuses like, oh, they are lazy and foolish, they belong there, fucking aristochracy. The middle class is being evoporated before our eyes and creating a huge rift of Rich vs. Poor, then we all know what happens. The Rich are bloodgened, raped, and plundered. and rightfully so. Capitalism is simply another word for greed, and so will be its downfall god willing. The French Revolution and the October Revolutions were the best things to happen on this planet.



Eventually, you capitalist pigs...you will be destroyed by what drives you the most, GREED. Yes talk shit all you want a brag about how rich and powerful you are. Thats how the monarchies did it, Look at what happened to King Loui... viva la revolution!

no, you will not trick us with an ezaggeration

It isn't.

It isn't.
OMG! Communist!

And the oil crash will crush them both.
The Russian have allot of money to make during that crash. They have a large supply of oil. The cost to extract oil shouldn't increase as quickly as it would in other places. As the prices rise, Russia should temperarely be met with higher oil profits, which will inevitably shrink when their supplies tapper off too. What they do with that profit will decide just how hard the oil crash will be for them.

shut the socialists up now!
i tried with my post.

India and China I can believe. Brazil? Maybe. Russia? You're source is full of shit. Russia's dead now, give up on them.


And this is news? Russia has always been a shit hole, even when they were Superpower, or the Monarchy, or now, with whatever the hell they have. Always have. That doesnt mean they wont have power. They'll have pleanty of power.

yeah, I just said this on another thread, and it applies to this one.

What the hell are you talking about Socialism doesnt work, its in several countries. And it can run fine with Democracy if you want it too. When it comes to Communism, Humanity simply isnt ready for that yet.

Free market sucks. Along with Privatized helthcare. You think otherwise? you never have been poor in America. There are so, so, many MANY hard working americans WHO GET SHIT! for money. The poor here are forced to be so by corperate monopolys on the government. I know people who graduated from a 4-year collage and after 30 years and shit loads of work are farther behind than when they started. Capitalism is bullshit. Insurance is bullshit. Socialism and communism is much better. If you dont agree then you've never been on the bottom, you've only watched from the top and made excuses like, oh, they are lazy and foolish, they belong there, fucking aristochracy. The middle class is being evoporated before our eyes and creating a huge rift of Rich vs. Poor, then we all know what happens. The Rich are bloodgened, raped, and plundered. and rightfully so. Capitalism is simply another word for greed, and so will be its downfall god willing. The French Revolution and the October Revolutions were the best things to happen on this planet.



Eventually, you capitalist pigs...you will be destroyed by what drives you the most, GREED. Yes talk shit all you want a brag about how rich and powerful you are. Thats how the monarchies did it, Look at what happened to King Loui... viva la revolution!
Didn't the French Revolution help bring Capitalism to France?

1. 5% of the global population owns 95% of it's wealth

And? Capitalism causes the total amount of wealth to cosntantly grow (this is written in Das Kapital, I respectfully suggest you read it), and thus the 5% of today (which is likely a fake number - can you back it up?)


3. The more money you got, the more you can make.

Untrue. As corporations grow, they become less efficient and their ability to react quickly diminishes. This is why big monopolies can only be maintained for a long time with government assistance.


10. If you're really rich, you're a capitalist; you don't need to do any work at all.


This is really untrue. Today, most of the top income earners in the US, for example, are receiving their income through salaries, not stock holding.

13. Most people get rich by inheriting.

How would this be true, precisely?

7. The poorer you are, the worse your education will be, and the worse your job will be.

Not only is this incorrect, but in socialism (as people suggested) everybody is poor, and thus receives sucky education.

FACT: More people graduate from college in America then in any socialist country on Earth.

FACT: More people graduate from college in America then in any socialist country on Earth.
FACT: America grossly outpopulates those countries.

If you dont agree then you've never been on the bottom, you've only watched from the top and made excuses like, oh, they are lazy and foolish, they belong there, fucking aristochracy

I like the wealthist assumptions you make.

"Oh, anybody who is disagreeing with me must be rich. and the rich are evil."

Actually, I am poor.

Have you ever had to work in a factory? You know, as an actual member of the proletariat? Had your family ever had to clean toilets for a living? Have you ever even held a job in fact?

FACT: America grossly outpopulates those countries.


More people graduate from college in America then in any socialist country on Earth as a percentage of population.

Happy now?

Didn't the French Revolution help bring Capitalism to France?


well, it was and emporership under Napoleon which was actually very prosperous, then the king came back, then he was forced to leave finally, then there was some confusing democracy type regimes, then there was the foolish Napoleon the 3rd,.... France has never really been stable ever since 1790's... But its been way better off without the aristochracy, which is what is being created in america.

More people graduate from college in America then in any socialist country on Earth as a percentage of population.

Happy now?
Yes.
Does that include people graduating from trade schools? Trades are good jobs too.

I like the wealthist assumptions you make.

"Oh, anybody who is disagreeing with me must be rich. and the rich are evil."

Actually, I am poor.

Have you ever had to work in a factory? You know, as an actual member of the proletariat? Had your family ever had to clean toilets for a living? Have you ever even held a job in fact?

Im not making assumptions. They are real life facts I have seen.

And Yes. My story isnt much better than your pal, get over yourself. Its not our fault we're in the position. Come on, you know we dont deserve this kinda shit. I know what you are talking about, do you really think your boss gives a shit about you? do you really think the fat asses in washington give a shit about you? No, they want to work you like that for profit. We didnt fight the American Revolution against an oppresive monarchy to turn into something similar.

I don't think anything under 13 years of education can be considered 'higher education' in any country, regardless of the content.

Come on, you know we dont deserve this kinda shit.

And this is why precisely ther should be a freer market which is easier for poor people to enter and start their own business. THanks.

I know what you are talking about, do you really think your boss gives a shit about you?

Right now I am unemployed and in college, but if I had a job, I suspect he wouldn't. But he doesn't HAVE to care. All I want him to do is to pay up my salary on time which he owes me for me selling him pieces of my life 8 hours at a time.

We didnt fight the American Revolution against an oppresive monarchy to turn into something similar.

No, America was fighting at the time for capitalism, private property, and free markets. I recommend you read the Founding Fathers and their opinion on the issue.

No, America was fighting at the time for capitalism, private property, and free markets. I recommend you read the Founding Fathers and their opinion on the issue.

Unlike England which was fighting for socialism, communal property, and central planning?

Im not making assumptions. They are real life facts I have seen.

And Yes. My story isnt much better than your pal, get over yourself. Its not our fault we're in the position. Come on, you know we dont deserve this kinda shit. I know what you are talking about, do you really think your boss gives a shit about you? do you really think the fat asses in washington give a shit about you? No, they want to work you like that for profit. We didnt fight the American Revolution against an oppresive monarchy to turn into something similar.

You know who's fault your position is? Your predecessors. Sorry, but it's true. My family was poor after the war (hell, my father's family was poor BEFORE the war), but my grandparents and parents worked hard, and we're comfortable now.

And if you don't think that the poor can succeed, remember this: Stalin was a cobbler's son. And at one point, Hitler was a hobo. And Liu Pei was a straw mat weaver.

And this is why precisely ther should be a freer market which is easier for poor people to enter and start their own business. THanks.



Right now I am unemployed and in college, but if I had a job, I suspect he wouldn't. But he doesn't HAVE to care. All I want him to do is to pay up my salary on time which he owes me for me selling him pieces of my life 8 hours at a time.



No, America was fighting at the time for capitalism, private property, and free markets. I recommend you read the Founding Fathers and their opinion on the issue.


Why are you in collage! THE WORD CAPITALISM WASN'T EVEN INVENTED UNTIL THE LATE 1800'S! or is that when you believe the revolution was fought?

and about your free markets. No, thats not it, they're not letting people rise up from being poor. They dont want competition. So they keep it down to avoid it. GREED. Then the middle class is being destroyed itself (another story kind of though and... do you reall believe that All I want him to do is to pay up my salary on time which he owes me for me selling him pieces of my life 8 hours at a time. is a way to live your life? Such a submissive role, and you wont be able to climb. Your in collage.. good, learn things, but I know plenty of people who went to enough collages and they went no-where.

You know who's fault your position is? Your predecessors. Sorry, but it's true.

are you shooting at my family or america? either way No, wealth should not run in bloodline. Heriditary titles are fucking bullshit. My family is not lazy, they work hard. And still, they get no-where, nothing for work. They are even veterns of wars and they get shit on and pissed on by thier own fucking government.

Why are you in collage! THE WORD CAPITALISM WASN'T EVEN INVENTED UNTIL THE LATE 1800'S! or is that when you believe the revolution was fought?

Dude, you praise the French Revolution, but you know that it was a bourgeois revolution, right?

are you shooting at my family or america? either way No, wealth should not run in bloodline. Heriditary titles are fucking bullshit. My family is not lazy, they work hard. And still, they get no-where, nothing for work. They are even veterns of wars and they get shit on and pissed on by thier own fucking government.

Here's a word of advice. Ok, listen, this might change your life: SAVE SOME OF YOUR SHIT.

Wealth is bloodline. It's legacy. Is it my fault that my family worked hard enough to make our lives comfortable?

Dude, you praise the French Revolution, but you know that it was a bourgeois revolution, right?

Dude, you know he's either a troll or an angry moron, right? I'm being optimistic and betting on troll.

Here's a word of advice. Ok, listen, this might change your life: SAVE SOME OF YOUR SHIT.

Wealth is bloodline. It's legacy. Is it my fault that my family worked hard enough to make our lives comfortable?


Um, wow, you are that corrupt in thinking...I cant believe there are people still as ignorant as you. Your not even worth arguing against.

Dude, you praise the French Revolution, but you know that it was a bourgeois revolution, right?


So how many French Revolutions were there? exactly? Do I know something you dont? probably.

So how many French Revolutions were there? exactly? Do I know something you dont? probably.

The French sure do love to revolute. :p :D

Why are you in collage! THE WORD CAPITALISM WASN'T EVEN INVENTED UNTIL THE LATE 1800'S! or is that when you believe the revolution was fought?

Tell me, have you ever read the Founders?

No they did not use the word CAPITALISM (omg the all-caps) but they did fight for the right to property, for free trade, etc. This is is all over the place, starting with Hamilton's writers.

Then the middle class is being destroyed itself (another story kind of though and.

Actually, that's BS. Thats' only anyhow true if you define the middle class in relative terms, and even then it is not. In fact, as Marx already pointed out, the middle class (bourgeoisie) is defined in absolute terms, and in these terms, it is the interest of capitalism to make as many people as possible bourgeois.


Such a submissive role, and you wont be able to climb.

That's a BS. Any job like that is only a job I'm holding before I find a better job or save up to start a business. I have no intent to get stuck in a factory for the rest of my life.

good, learn things, but I know plenty of people who went to enough collages and they went no-whee.

It's spelled collEge.

So how many French Revolutions were there? exactly? Do I know something you dont? probably.

One. 1789 up to the early 1800s, depending on your interpretation.

After some 100 years of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and even li'l Kim:

Zero Marxism Tolerance.

No discussion - just stick their followers straight into Brideswell.

After some 100 years of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and even li'l Kim:

Zero Marxism Tolerance.

No discussion - just stick their followers straight into Brideswell.

Li'l Kim?

Li'l Kim?

The Dear Leader. baby-Kim.

The Dear Leader. baby-Kim.

She's a socialist?

She's a socialist?

Not sure. Interrogate her till she confesses.

Not sure. Interrogate her till she confesses.

You interrogate her, I'm eating.

You interrogate her, I'm eating.

Cool. Should I spare a bit of her for you?
*dresses up as Felix Dzherzhinsky*

Cool. Should I spare a bit of her for you?
*dresses up as Felix Dzherzhinsky*

Yeah, whatever.

After some 100 years of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and even li'l Kim:
Zero Marxism Tolerance.
No discussion - just stick their followers straight into Brideswell.

Lol. Jail people for a political opinion. Wave a magic wand of Zero Tolerance over the jail, that'll take care of the pesky issue of their rights.
Sounds like the "nuke them into the stoneage" approach, but brought right home.
Destroying the planet to defeat Soviet communism wasn't necessary. What makes you think this is.
Perhaps I missed a joke here. I wouldn't be the first.
EDIT: Damn, my sense of humour is faltering. After only twelve hours on General, too. Must be getting old ..

Lol. Jail people for a political opinion. Wave a magic wand of Zero Tolerance over the jail, that'll take care of the pesky issue of their rights.
Sounds like the "nuke them into the stoneage" approach, but brought right home.
Destroying the planet to defeat Soviet communism wasn't necessary. What makes you think this is.
Perhaps I missed a joke here. I wouldn't be the first.


Not for opinion. For political malpractise.

Not for opinion. For political malpractise.

Okey. I'll see your Zero Tolerance, and raise you one War On. :D

Okey. I'll see your Zero Tolerance, and raise you one War On. :D


*deploys his Hidden Weapons of Mass Protection*
We're hiding 'em in a place called.. Los Alamos!

How about a Voter's License? Before you can vote, you have to pass a test on your constitution, and pick the liar out of a lineup of ex-presidents?

How about a Voter's License? Before you can vote, you have to pass a test on your constitution, and pick the liar out of a lineup of ex-presidents?

Polygraph-readings while you're listening to that God Bless the USA-thingie.

A poll-tax, paid in blood!

A poll-tax, paid in blood!

It wouldn't be hallal or kosher...
hey - maybe that is ok!

And again:

The Rules of Socialism

1. 1% of the global population owns 95% of it's wealth, "on behalf of" everyone else.
2. Those with the guns get to make all the rules.
3. The more money you got, the more they can take away from you.
4. The less money you got, the less dangerous you are to the leaders.
5. The poorer you are, the less quality foreign imports you get.
6. Regardless of your income, your doctor will be ill-qualified to do anything more than basic GP services. All the specialists have fled or are in re-education camp.
7. Regardless of your income, don't expect anything more than some basic reading and writing skills from your education.
8. All jobs are backbreakingly hard, and you have to do them or else you get shot.
9. Except if you're a big figure in the party.
10. If you're really rich, you get shot.
11. You don't pay for your own mistakes, everyone else does.
12. Party leaders start wars, the poor people have to fight.
13. Most people get rich by stealing and corruption.
14. Everyone stays poor through hard work, thrift, and sacrifice.

surley that is communism,(bastardised communism)not socialism?

Let's just stick with capitalism until we find some way to keep commie nations from going all dictatorship. Also, socialism just seems like an economic drain, since I don't think we were meant to try to eliminate death.

Here are some rules/facts of Capitalism:

1. 5% of the global population owns 95% of it's wealth (The Unequal Disrtibution of Wealth). LEGAL!
2. Those who have the most get to make all the rules.
3. The more money you got, the more you can make.
4. The less money you got, the less you can get.
5. The poorer you are, the more expensive everything is.
6. The poorer you are, the iller you will be; the sooner you will die, and the worse off your kids will be.
7. The poorer you are, the worse your education will be, and the worse your job will be.
8. The worse the pay, the harder the job.
9. The higher they pay, the easier the job.
10. If you're really rich, you're a capitalist; you don't need to do any work at all.
11. The poor pay for every mistake made by the rich.
12. Rich people start wars, the poor people have to fight.
13. Most people get rich by inheriting.
14. Most poor people stay poor through hard work, thrift, and sacrifice.

very simplistic, but i guess i agree for the most part

would like to add


15. landlords own your soul and are practically untouchable under english law (yet all they actually own is a piece of paper)
16. banks are practically untouchable and are corrupt, evil organisations.

surley that is communism,(bastardised communism)not socialism?

No, it's socialism. We've never achieved communism.

Hey, I'm back :p

I just finished reading what has been discussed and I'm amazed at how many times you've gone in circles.

So, did anyone actualy watch the video (And to the guy you hates Brits: Does it really matter that he is British?! His origin doesn't change what he said!) Did the socialist enjoy it? Did the capitalist have the guts to sit and listen for 50 min?

Wrong. Communist thinking. Anyone with a lot of money worked their arse-off for it.
True, look at Bill Gates, he started what would become his multi-billion dollar company in a f-ing garage! Now he's the richest man on Earth.

And again:

That is not "true" socialism. That is a dictatorship.
You are only describing past failures at creating a communist world. The only reason they failed is because they were surrounded by capialist pigs like you that didnt want to give up their wealth/power to the less fortunate that you created!

ROFLOL. Capitalist nations, which work and make their people prosperous, are supposed to beggar themselves so that the adherents of the socialist regimes, which don't work, can be saved from their own stupidity and propped up for a little while longer? What happens when every country in the world has been sucked dry and/or turned non-productive a.k.a. socialist? Everything falls apart. It's just a vicious bloodsucking game where the moochers steal from the biggest, nearest source of actual productive power and value until they run it dry, and then turn to the next one, all the while being fed off by those even lower on the productive food chain. Someone always has to be producing for socialists to steal from or mooch off of in order for it to work; it's just a socioeconomic parasite.

Or was nobility.
Nobility? Maybe that's true in a few cases, but wrong in most. Unless it's 1227, and I don't know it, most rich folk are not nobility.

ROFLOL. Capitalist nations, which work and make their people prosperous, are supposed to beggar themselves so that the adherents of the socialist regimes, which don't work, can be saved from their own stupidity and propped up for a little while longer? What happens when every country in the world has been sucked dry and/or turned non-productive a.k.a. socialist? Everything falls apart. It's just a vicious bloodsucking game where the moochers steal from the biggest, nearest source of actual productive power and value until they run it dry, and then turn to the next one, all the while being fed off by those even lower on the productive food chain. Someone always has to be producing for socialists to steal from or mooch off of in order for it to work; it's just a socioeconomic parasite.
Yeah, I know. Maybe you guys might have an argument if they didn't try this in a real counrty already.... Anyone here know when Communism was first used? The British sent a copy of the manuscript to China as a finacial weapon, to ruin their economy. :p

Oh, boo hoo, Capitalism isn't perfect. I read a quote somewhere or other that explains it perfectly...

"I would jump at the chance to live in a society where even the poor are fat."

That's America, the big capitalist country. Seriously, if you've ever worked in fast food, you know that many of the poor people are almost morbidly obese here.

15. landlords own your soul and are practically untouchable under english law (yet all they actually own is a piece of paper).
No they don't Biff. If someone stays in a Landlord's house, do you have any idea how long it takes to get them out if they just say "no, I'm not leaving, sorry". A while. In the meantime, the Landlords loses money, and possiply his house.

Oh, boo hoo, Capitalism isn't perfect. I read a quote somewhere or other that explains it perfectly...

"I would jump at the chance to live in a society where even the poor are fat."

That's America, the big capitalist country. Seriously, if you've ever worked in fast food, you know that many of the poor people are almost morbidly obese here.
I know. "Pick your country to live in ladies and gentlemen! China! Russia! Cuba! or America! Take your time now, you don't have to rush yourself..."

How about a Voter's License? Before you can vote, you have to pass a test on your constitution, and pick the liar out of a lineup of ex-presidents?
Oh that's easy. Just about anyone would give you an A+!

Nobility? Maybe that's true in a few cases, but wrong in most. Unless it's 1227, and I don't know it, most rich folk are not nobility.

Actually, its a growing case. More and more people are getting richer from inheritence, while the lucky few (Bill Gates) are dwindling.

Actually, its a growing case. More and more people are getting richer from inheritence, while the lucky few (Bill Gates) are dwindling.
Yup, that's right pal. And I couldn't care if Bill Gate's line was rich forever, because he invented the first in a line of these wonderful computers, and without him, I'd be lost. THANK YOU BILL GATES!!
So, they get richer, they deserve it. If I made a billion bucks, I would want it to go to my kids, not to some stranger who won'tget a job, and drinks his beer, waiting for his welfare check in the mail.

My quote in relation to Socialism: "if everyone is equal, everyone is miserable [or poor]."
Not to mention the fact that everyone is a slave to the rest of society. I'd rather be poor and own myself than have infinite luxury and be beholden to another person.

Not to mention the fact that everyone is a slave to the rest of society. I'd rather be poor and own myself than have infinite luxury and be beholden to another person.
Slaves? Get real! Working at McDonalds stinks, but you're not a slave. I am positive, in America, anyone can become rich, it's just a matter of trying, and time.

Not to mention the fact that everyone is a slave to the rest of society. I'd rather be poor and own myself than have infinite luxury and be beholden to another person.

Churchill said something like that...

Something along the lines of "The atrocity of capitalism is that some people get more of the wealth than others. The great thing about socialism is that everybody has an equal share in the misery."

Slaves? Get real! Working at McDonalds stinks, but you're not a slave. I am positive, in America, anyone can become rich, it's just a matter of trying, and time.
I believe you took my statement out of context.

Under socialism all men are slaves to society.

Under capitalism all men are beholden only to themselves.

I would rather be poor in a capitalist society than pampered in a socialist society.

I believe you took my statement out of context.

Under socialism all men are slaves to society.

Under capitalism all men are beholden only to themselves.

I would rather be poor in a capitalist society than pampered in a socialist society.
Oh, sorry...

"From each according to his ability to each according to his need" is the creed of those who would enslave the industrious to the will of the mooch. What would happen if society were to become socialist, and all the industrious people were to quit? If they just left their jobs, because they realized what the actions of the state were doing? Would the motor of the world stop? I would imagine so.

"From each according to his ability to each according to his need" is the creed of those who would enslave the industrious to the will of the mooch. What would happen if society were to become socialist, and all the industrious people were to quit? If they just left their jobs, because they realized what the actions of the state were doing? Would the motor of the world stop? I would imagine so.

Look at the Soviet Union. Outside of their military, technology barely advanced past a level the West was at during the 1950's or 1960's; the system did not encourage the kind of innovation that capitalism creates.

Har, a general guide to capitalism, written by socialists.

What's next, a general history of the Jews, written by Der Sturmer?

Look at the Soviet Union. Outside of their military, technology barely advanced past a level the West was at during the 1950's or 1960's; the system did not encourage the kind of innovation that capitalism creates.
Of course, all of the great minds flee from the system. It squashes dissent and freethough, both of which are required to innovate in a capitalist economy. And even at that, Soviet technological advances were not made of their own accord, instead they were driven by technology acquired from the west. Either through the American Lend-Lease program, through technology captured from Germany during the war (and scientists associated with it) and espionage. Hell, they built the Buran Shuttle from plans they got from American public sources.

And again:

That is not "true" socialism. That is a dictatorship.
You are only describing past failures at creating a communist world. The only reason they failed is because they were surrounded by capialist pigs like you that didnt want to give up their wealth/power to the less fortunate that you created!

Whereas in a "true" capitalist society there is prosperity and happiness for all, children dance in meadows filled with chocolate and the sun shines out my ass.