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I cannot be the only person that is disgusted by the pedophilia and rape threads where there is an attempt to either excuse the act, or say that if society was diffrent, then it wouldn't be so bad. Give me a break! Having sex with a child is wrong and disgusting because the child cannot give proper consent, and most Pedos trick their victims with promise of candies or toys. You can remove all of society thoughts on sex, and raping someone will still be wrong! Why, because you're violating the person's personal space, and you are robbing that person of their dignity. For those who starts these threads have either A. never talked to someone who was affected by either horrible and disgusting acts. or B. Probably a pedo or raptist yourself. I've seen threads like this on here before, what is so hard about realizing that there's no excuse for either act?! I don't understand why people are actually trying to say that "well it's natural, it's how their wired." or "Well maybe if Society wasn't so uptight about Sex, it might actually be ok!" Sweet Mary mother of God people! Being fair and balance is one thing, but actually trying to justifed these sick perverts is just crossing the line! I don't know why people are trying to justified these acts, but I think you should think of the victim first and the person who did the act, dead last.

It's not digusting and foul (or whatever you said) because a child can't give "proper consent" .. it is disgusting and foul because they get off on little kids period. Those that do.. have some major fucking psychological problems. I know it's been around for ages.. and I know it can be hard to decipher, in the early teens, between an innocent child and a little whore. Still gotta draw the line somewhere.

It's not digusting and foul (or whatever you said) because a child can't give "proper consent" .. it is disgusting and foul because they get off on little kids period. Those that do.. have some major fucking psychological problems. I know it's been around for ages.. and I know it can be hard to decipher, in the early teens, between an innocent child and a little whore. Still gotta draw the line somewhere.

Yea, but even sex with a teen that dresses like a whore is wrong, because she's not legal.

Yea, but even sex with a teen that dresses like a whore is wrong, because she's not legal.


Oh, I totally agree on the legal part.. but you've got to admit there are teens that have sex with older men that consented or even provoked it.. but this isn't the issue. When I think of a pedophile I think of someone "preying" on a young person. A pedo imo, probably wouldn't even want a kid that was "willing" .. They probaly want that fresh and new disposition .. I just mentioned what I did cause there are people in prison or on community watch lists that were 18 and had sex with their 16 yr old slutty gf's. A long way from what I consider to be a pedo.

i spent three hours on the rape thread last night, and i think that the de-personalization of rape was disgusting.

i spent three hours on the rape thread last night, and i think that the de-personalization of rape was disgusting.

Same here, I know several people who were raped, and You can NEVER make it "less horrifying" or de-personalized it.

Oh, I totally agree on the legal part.. but you've got to admit there are teens that have sex with older men that consented or even provoked it.. but this isn't the issue. When I think of a pedophile I think of someone "preying" on a young person. A pedo imo, probably wouldn't even want a kid that was "willing" .. They probaly want that fresh and new disposition .. I just mentioned what I did cause there are people in prison or on community watch lists that were 18 and had sex with their 16 yr old slutty gf's. A long way from what I consider to be a pedo.

Eh I actually think that would fall under statutory rape.

I think it's stupid that some guys get arrested for having sex with girls who lied about their age to them. The girl should be the one arrested, IMO.

I think it's stupid that some guys get arrested for having sex with girls who lied about their age to them. The girl should be the one arrested, IMO.

arrested for what exactly?

I personally feel that if a teenager lies about their age, they should be deemed to have consented to whatever comes as a result of them lying about their age. They knew when they said they were 18 as opposed to 14 what the older party was going to do. I'm not checking the ID of everyone I take to bed, and I'll be damned if I recognize the right of the state to arrest me when there's a clear lack of intent to break the law.

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arrested for what exactly?

Well, maybe arrested is a bit much, but what they do is just messed up.

I personally feel that if a teenager lies about their age, they should be deemed to have consented to whatever comes as a result of them lying about their age. They knew when they said they were 18 as opposed to 14 what the older party was going to do. I'm not checking the ID of everyone I take to bed, and I'll be damned if I recognize the right of the state to arrest me when there's a clear lack of intent to break the law.

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ok ok, umm, how hard is it to actually tell the diffrence between umm 14 year olds and 18 years old? Hell even I can tell the diffrence by a quick glance.

I cannot be the only person that is disgusted by the pedophilia and rape threads where there is an attempt to either excuse the act, or say that if society was diffrent, then it wouldn't be so bad.

You are far from the only one, but from an objective point of view that is a bad thing.
What people in theory should be doing in those threads is debating whether or not the opposition against those acts is justified. The nice thing is that if it is, one should be able to show that. One provides decent arguments, applies solid reasoning and voila: rape and pedophlia are shown to be bad and we have in fact strengthened the case against it. Hurrah.

Being unwilling to debate it however suggests one is uncertain if one can actually make a case beyond "it is evil !".

You can remove all of society thoughts on sex, and raping someone will still be wrong!

Nitpick: if one created a society where having sex is considered the normal way of greeting, *refusing* someone sex can even be considered to be extremely impolite. Of course, we do not live in such a society.

ok ok, umm, how hard is it to actually tell the diffrence between umm 14 year olds and 18 years old? Hell even I can tell the diffrence by a quick glance.

Layers of makeup can easily confuse some people late at night.

Layers of makeup can easily confuse some people late at night.

Yea, but there are other signs too, like under-developed breast, sound of voice etc. Comon.

Yea, but there are other signs too, like under-developed breast, sound of voice etc. Comon.

I don't think you've been to a high school recently.

Eh I actually think that would fall under statutory rape.


My sister married her husband when she 15, he was 18. Mom tried to block it, not for the reasons you think tho.. only cause she was a mean ass that didn't like to see anyone close to her happy(I learnt this from personal experience)..be it friends or partners. ...much like her savage(native american -- meanest sob of a woman many have ever met) ass mother. Sis and James are still together to this day. 30 years almost. One of my neices is my age, younger by 2 months. The reason I said what I said was because people are quick to call the girl a whore, or to think the guy is a pedo at such young ages.. not that the accusation ever got thrown up at them, but I've seen it elsewhere. I realize my sisters marragie is unique and it's something I can only really dream about, and unlikely to happen being that I wasted my youth on sorry ass niggers. But hey hey, whad-dya say.

I don't think you've been to a high school recently.

No I haven't I prefer the company of my girlfriend who is 20.

ok ok, umm, how hard is it to actually tell the diffrence between umm 14 year olds and 18 years old? Hell even I can tell the diffrence by a quick glance.

Can be hard..especially for men.. we women have a more keen eye to those things.. just like we (women) are usually able to pick out a tranny quicker than the average man.

Ofcourse not saying that a lot of older men don't want the younger .. just saying that it IS possible that the men get confused.

Can be hard..especially for men.. we women have a more keen eye to those things.. just like we (women) are usually able to pick out a tranny quicker than the average man.

Ofcourse not saying that a lot of older men don;t want the younger .. just saying that it IS possible that the men get confused.

Well, if you're confused ask for ID. Better safe than sorry.

I cannot be the only person that is disgusted by the pedophilia and rape threads where there is an attempt to either excuse the act, or say that if society was diffrent, then it wouldn't be so bad. Give me a break! Having sex with a child is wrong and disgusting because the child cannot give proper consent, and most Pedos trick their victims with promise of candies or toys. You can remove all of society thoughts on sex, and raping someone will still be wrong! Why, because you're violating the person's personal space, and you are robbing that person of their dignity. For those who starts these threads have either A. never talked to someone who was affected by either horrible and disgusting acts. or B. Probably a pedo or raptist yourself. I've seen threads like this on here before, what is so hard about realizing that there's no excuse for either act?! I don't understand why people are actually trying to say that "well it's natural, it's how their wired." or "Well maybe if Society wasn't so uptight about Sex, it might actually be ok!" Sweet Mary mother of God people! Being fair and balance is one thing, but actually trying to justifed these sick perverts is just crossing the line! I don't know why people are trying to justified these acts, but I think you should think of the victim first and the person who did the act, dead last.

Not that I agree with those who try to justify it, but the very nature of your post is going to entice them to reply and yet again justify or argue for the human rights of the person. You've only given them yet another excuse to piss you off.

But for the most part I agree with your comments :)

Well, if you're confused ask for ID. Better safe than sorry.


That's not always going to work.. I mean how many young girls get fake ID's just to buy booze? Or to get into adult establishments? But. I gotta agree with someone earlier who said that the young chic that's claming to be of age.. and she looks it, acts it etc.. and you do her loose ass with only her wanting it.. the dude shouldn't be considered a pedo.. but that is very hard to decipher.. hmm I wouldn't want to be the judje in that situation. Daddy making baby girl play out as innocent ( that's the good senerio - bad one is he beats the shit out of her by automatically knowing or assuming she was "whoring") .. tough one. Dunno.

Layers of makeup can easily confuse some people late at night.
Also, the percipient (the one attempting to figure age and being lied to) could also be mildly (or not so mildly) intoxicated, further blurring the distinction or even the desire to find it. Mind you, that's no excuse, it's just how it can happen.

My sister married her husband when she 15, he was 18. Mom tried to block it, not for the reasons you think tho.. only cause she was a mean ass that didn't like to see anyone close to her happy(I learnt this from personal experience)..be it friends or partners. ...much like her savage(native american -- meanest sob of a woman many have ever met) ass mother. Sis and James are still together to this day. 30 years almost. One of my neices is my age, younger by 2 months. The reason I said what I said was because people are quick to call the girl a whore, or to think the guy is a pedo at such young ages.. not that the accusation ever got thrown up at them, but I've seen it elsewhere. I realize my sisters marragie is unique and it's something I can only really dream about, and unlikely to happen being that I wasted my youth on sorry ass niggers. But hey hey, whad-dya say.
Uh..."savages" AND "niggers" in the same post? Racist much?

Yea, but there are other signs too, like under-developed breast, sound of voice etc. Comon.
You'd be surprised at A) what can be pulled off, and B) how early "development" begins and appearances deceive.

That's not always going to work.. I mean how many young girls get fake ID's just to buy booze? Or to get into adult establishments? But. I gotta agree with someone earlier who said that the young chic that's claming to be of age.. and she looks it, acts it etc.. and you do her loose ass with only her wanting it. the dude shouldn't be considered a pedo.. but that is very hard to decipher.. hmm I wouldn't want to be the judje in that situation. Daddy making baby girl play out as innocent ( that's the good senerio - bad one is he beats the shit out of her by automatically knowing or assuming she was "whoring") .. tough one. Dunno.
Dumb question, but if "only she wants it", why would you "do her loose ass" in the first place? If you don't want to steal something and it's there to be stolen, by your logic, you'd steal it anyway?

BWUH?!?

Uh..."savages" AND "niggers" in the same post? Racist much?
Considering the savage refers to her mother and grandmother she probably falls within at least one of those groups herself.

Considering the savage refers to her mother and grandmother she probably falls within at least one of those groups herself.
Which makes her statements all the more BWUH?-ing.

Dumb question, but if "only she wants it", why would you "do her loose ass" in the first place? If you don't want to steal something and it's there to be stolen, by your logic, you'd steal it anyway?

BWUH?!?

Because that is how most people that would *accuse the ones* crying rape , pedo, or statutory .. would label it.

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I meant with the girl not wanting it to stop.. her only "wanting it" ... sorry was unclear.

Wilgrove, you sound like your sexual life is a real blast. All seductive and spontanous and such. :fluffle: 'Baby, show me your ID.' :fluffle: lol

Before you get all heated up! I do agree with you, that there is no excuse for rape. Whoever excuses it should get treatment - this way or the other, that'll cure such a view! The rapeists? I'd design a machine that rapes them and then send them to prison.

As for sex at young age: This is really a difficult one to draw legal lines. Basically, I am tempted to say that consent is important. I would think that a 16 year old with a decent education on sexuality can judge whether she/he wants sex. A 18 year old having consented sex with a 15 year old should not be a legal problem (as per example it isn't in Switzerland). I also know several girls who were with 30+ years older man at the age of 17...and knew absolutely what they were doing and don't regret it either (well, not more than any other broken up relationship).
However, what about street kids say in Rumania? They usually consent to having sex with elderly men. Basically, they know what they are doing - and do consent. However, obviously their social status leads to a 'forced consent'. How can you possibly define 'forced consent' by law?

These two scenarios can't be defined and seperated easily by law. I don't want 60 year old pervs preying on kids or going to foreign countries and lure them to sex with gifts. But I also think it's wrong to completely 'ban' sex below 18. Damn. What a hormonal overcharge that must be (glad I didn't have to wait that long).
I think the law itself should leave room to consented sex...but the punishment should be stricter on the 'real' paedophils. One joke of the current law is that you have the 19 year old guy who had sex with his 16 year gf on the same list as a 40 year old who lured a 10 year old thay boy to bed with money for his family.

I hope you do see the difference, Wilgrove.

Considering the savage refers to her mother and grandmother she probably falls within at least one of those groups herself.


That hurts. It's not the first time I've heard it. I take after my father more than my mother.. but yeah.. it's in there still. I gotta keep a cool eye out for myself.

It's more the intent.. when it comes to teens and a bit older teens thing. Hard to decipher tho. Again.. I'd hate to be the judge.

Eh I actually think that would fall under statutory rape.

only in the US the majority of the rest of the world is a lower age of consent

Yea, but even sex with a teen that dresses like a whore is wrong, because she's not legal.
It's not wrong because it's illegal, it's illegal because it's wrong.

Incidentally, if you're sick of those threads, then this is not the way to make them end.

Sigh, I don't quite know how someone could stick up for these kinds of people.

Sigh, I don't quite know how someone could stick up for these kinds of people.


I'm not sticking up for pedo's.. I'm sticking up for people that can be labeled pedos, by law.. but who aren't.

It's not wrong because it's illegal, it's illegal because it's wrong.

Incidentally, if you're sick of those threads, then this is not the way to make them end.
I'm not sure that's a convertible proposition. "Wrong" is subjective, and many things that are considered "wrong" by many people are quite legal. I'm avoiding examples because the only one I can think of right now would only make this thread worse.


1973 Supreme Court ruling.

These two scenarios can't be defined and seperated easily by law. I don't want 60 year old pervs preying on kids or going to foreign countries and lure them to sex with gifts. But I also think it's wrong to completely 'ban' sex below 18. Damn. What a hormonal overcharge that must be (glad I didn't have to wait that long).

I think the law itself should leave room to consented sex...but the punishment should be stricter on the 'real' paedophils. One joke of the current law is that you have the 19 year old guy who had sex with his 16 year gf on the same list as a 40 year old who lured a 10 year old thay boy to bed with money for his family.

I hope you do see the difference, Wilgrove.

the problem is that we are seeing many youngster are having sex all over the world even consenting at 12! Which is disgusting in my opinion, btw, but what about the 14 year old and her 15 year old boyfriend. they had consensual sex she fell pregnant. They forced her into naming the father (she says she doesnt regret it) and they are prosecuting him and putting him on a sex offenders list for the rest of his life ruining half his life choices and labeling him!

Sigh, I don't quite know how someone could stick up for these kinds of people.
Just to clarify, yet again, I wasn’t “sticking up” for anybody, just posing a hypothetical question. Anyone who commits rape in this society knows what they are doing is wrong according to our standards and thus is a deviant.
Could society possibly have different standards? Maybe.

Yea, but even sex with a teen that dresses like a whore is wrong, because she's not legal.
there are a lot of skanks out there that spread it about making the first move, lie and such.
Sex with a 17 year old or younger is sick.
I wont hit it!

Just to clarify, yet again, I wasn’t “sticking up” for anybody, just posing a hypothetical question. Anyone who commits rape in this society knows what they are doing is wrong according to our standards and thus is a deviant.
Could society possibly have different standards? Maybe.

rape is rape wethr its co-ercion or not there are no different standards forcing another to do something against there will or judgement is wrong but its not always easy to prove that it was with so many crying wolf afterwards! again as we have seen in the UK with a spate of cases that were proven afterwards that the woman lied

Gaydania: The problem of the 15 year olds having sex is with education and social environment - not with age. In Switzerland I'd say more than half the kids have sex before 17. We don't have a child pregnancy issue. When I knew, with 15, that I'm going to have sex with my gf (14), I a) knew about possible consequences and how to prevent them and b) could talk to my parents about it. No harm done (well, you know...). This only becomes an problem, if sex at that age is deemd as 'wrong'. It's nonsense. And your example is EXACTELY what is wrong with the law (in the US...and probably a few other nations): would you compare that 15 guy with a 50 year old who get off 10 year old girls? Hardly.
Yes, I had sex early...but I'm still quite sane! You cannot compare me with a paedophile.

there are a lot of skanks out there that spread it about making the first move, lie and such.
Sex with a 17 year old or younger is sick.
I wont hit it!

personaly an 18 year old and a 16 year old is not sick in my opinion at all. But again thats down to what is acceptable within society, its always been legal at that age here. If it were a 60 year old and 16 year old that is questionable. But if the person is of the age where they can be independant in the world, support themselves and there many other physical and emotional needs then how can it be wrong?

the problem is that we are seeing many youngster are having sex all over the world even consenting at 12! Which is disgusting in my opinion, btw, but what about the 14 year old and her 15 year old boyfriend. they had consensual sex she fell pregnant. They forced her into naming the father (she says she doesnt regret it) and they are prosecuting him and putting him on a sex offenders list for the rest of his life ruining half his life choices and labeling him!

not cool

the charges I mean

Just to clarify, yet again, I wasn’t “sticking up” for anybody, just posing a hypothetical question. Anyone who commits rape in this society knows what they are doing is wrong according to our standards and thus is a deviant.
Could society possibly have different standards? Maybe.
Alas, an exercise in objectivist ethics is often met with emotional responses. It's to be expected. I give you props for trying, though.

Gaydania: The problem of the 15 year olds having sex is with education and social environment - not with age. In Switzerland I'd say more than half the kids have sex before 17. We don't have a child pregnancy issue. When I knew, with 15, that I'm going to have sex with my gf (14), I a) knew about possible consequences and how to prevent them and b) could talk to my parents about it. No harm done (well, you know...). This only becomes an problem, if sex at that age is deemd as 'wrong'. It's nonsense. And your example is EXACTELY what is wrong with the law (in the US...and probably a few other nations): would you compare that 15 guy with a 50 year old who get off 10 year old girls? Hardly.
Yes, I had sex early...but I'm still quite sane! You cannot compare me with a paedophile.


Im not Im agreeing with you :)

I'm technically a pedophile, when I was 16, I had sex on numerous occasions with my 15 year old girlfriend.

I'm technically a pedophile, when I was 16, I had sex on numerous occasions with my 15 year old girlfriend.

Are you technically a pedophile if you have cyber sex your 14 year old girlfriend?

Eh I actually think that would fall under statutory rape.

Not in the UK. Perfectly legal here.

...people are actually trying to say that "well it's natural, it's how their wired...[/b].

No, it isn't strictly speaking natural. Pedophilia is neither a physical or biochemical problem; it is purely psychological, usually caused by abuse.

Gaydania: The problem of the 15 year olds having sex is with education and social environment - not with age. In Switzerland I'd say more than half the kids have sex before 17. We don't have a child pregnancy issue. When I knew, with 15, that I'm going to have sex with my gf (14), I a) knew about possible consequences and how to prevent them and b) could talk to my parents about it. No harm done (well, you know...). This only becomes an problem, if sex at that age is deemd as 'wrong'. It's nonsense. And your example is EXACTELY what is wrong with the law (in the US...and probably a few other nations): would you compare that 15 guy with a 50 year old who get off 10 year old girls? Hardly.
Yes, I had sex early...but I'm still quite sane! You cannot compare me with a paedophile.

Quite right, quite right. In the U.K. the average age for- let's just say- "first contact with an alien life from" (Yes, I am actually prudish enough to try to avoid saying it.) is below sixteen! At first a was shocked, but then it occurred to me that I was also shocked by Mexico, Denmark, The Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Spain, Monaco, Italy, Greece, Switzerland, and France. Upon this realization, it didn't take me long to figure out that the rest of the world isn't loose. America is prudish! (Canada as well, by the way.) We usually think we are very open, because of our television shows, our fashion trends, and, of course, places like Las Vegas, but the simple fact is that we are about as boxed in as a society can get before it starts spawning counterculture. -But wait a second! We have counterculture! See my point?

Are you technically a pedophile if you have cyber sex your 14 year old girlfriend?Um...what?

I cannot be the only person that is disgusted by the pedophilia and rape threads where there is an attempt to either excuse the act, or say that if society was diffrent, then it wouldn't be so bad. Give me a break! Having sex with a child is wrong and disgusting because the child cannot give proper consent, and most Pedos trick their victims with promise of candies or toys. You can remove all of society thoughts on sex, and raping someone will still be wrong! Why, because you're violating the person's personal space, and you are robbing that person of their dignity. For those who starts these threads have either A. never talked to someone who was affected by either horrible and disgusting acts. or B. Probably a pedo or raptist yourself. I've seen threads like this on here before, what is so hard about realizing that there's no excuse for either act?! I don't understand why people are actually trying to say that "well it's natural, it's how their wired." or "Well maybe if Society wasn't so uptight about Sex, it might actually be ok!" Sweet Mary mother of God people! Being fair and balance is one thing, but actually trying to justifed these sick perverts is just crossing the line! I don't know why people are trying to justified these acts, but I think you should think of the victim first and the person who did the act, dead last.
paedophile =/= child molestor. The main point made in those threads is that it is not necessarily those people's faults that they have an attraction, and that it is wrong to punish people IF THEY HAVEN'T ACTUALLY COMMITTED A CRIME YET.

paedophile =/= child molestor.

And that's the relevant point. I will continue to object if anyone suggests punishing people simply for having thoughts, no matter how deranged those thoughts might be.