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Okay, I'm not one to go out and attack some one but this women Cindy Sheehan should be shot in the face with a hollow point.

She complains about the war, and don't get me wrong I... approved of the war but dis approved how we went about it. but anyway. She just gets on TV and crys, moans, and complains about the war.

Her son died in the Military, the MILITARY!!! What does the military do, you ask? The military goes and kills things, people die in the military its a fact if your scared to die don't go into the military.

Her son died on a Volunteer mission, so if she should be mad at anyone she should be mad at her son. Her son died a hero, i believe that to the core of my soul. But she just goes on and on and on and on and on about the same thing over and over again.

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American traitors.

These people... these are the true evil in our society. They join the military and when we go to war they run to Canada.

There homes in Canada should be shot as the traitors they are.

If I was the president i would revoke there citizenship, i would take away everything from them. freeze there money, ban all contact with them. If they want to run out on America, fine then they are not Americans.

ooc: Yes, i am ranting and yes i am drunk

Don't drink and post, that's all I have to say.

Don't drink and post, that's all I have to say.
2nded

2nded

I thrice that motion... I'm looking for constructive criticism and debate not a flame war.

"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government."
- Edward Abbey

I thrice that motion... I'm looking for constructive criticism and debate not a flame war.

Maybe when you aren't PUI next time then.

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Her son died on a Volunteer mission, so if she should be mad at anyone she should be mad at her son. Her son died a hero, i believe that to the core of my soul. But she just goes on and on and on and on and on about the same thing over and over again.
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Just because that her son knew the risk doesn't mean that she doesn't have a right to try to end the risk.
Or do parents of victims of AIDS not have the right to promote condom use etc?

"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government."
- Edward Abbey

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious," according to Oscar Wilde.

Okay, I'm not one to go out and attack some one but this women Cindy Sheehan should be shot in the face with a hollow point.

Awwwwwww how cyuuuute! Another neo-con on NS General calling for bloodshed.

What does the military do, you ask? The military goes and kills things, people die in the military its a fact if your scared to die don't go into the military.

Incidently, if you think that's all the military is good for, then you clearly have never seen National Guardsmen pulling survivors out of a raging storm.

Incidently, if you think that's all the military is good for, then you clearly have never seen National Guardsmen pulling survivors out of a raging storm.



Hes drunk, cut him some slack.

Hes drunk, cut him some slack.

No ... because so am I ... two drunks in the same thread makes for a party!

He wasn't a hero, he was a victim of a stupid war, Chaney, Bush, rumsfeld and all the stupid patriot willing to make another war should be sent to Iraq and fight by themselves. Cindy Sheehan maybe didn't agree with his son being in the military, but he died because Bush hadn't a better thing to do.

The two main jobs of the military is to:
1. Protect the nation and it's inhabitants. This is aided by job #2.
2. Destroy the enemy, usually with either capturing its soldiers and leaders or killing them. Of course, In rare incidents, the enemy could surrender under mere threat of action.

Yes, Cindy has the right to protest whatever the hell she wants. However, she loses some credibility when she uses her son's death as a weapon of protest when her son died because of HIS decisions. He decided to go on that mission. They didn't say "You HAVE to go on this mission." No, they merely gave his the choice and he took it. If he was drafted or forced to go on the mission in some other forceful way, she'd have a point. To me, she seems like an attention whore who stepped over the line by using her son's death as a tool to aid her protests when her son died because he himself chose the fatal decision.

No ... because so am I ... two drunks in the same thread makes for a party!


You're DrUnK????

*highly amazed*

wot'appened?

You're DrUnK????

*highly amazed*

wot'appened?

Did I confuse someone? I drink Whiskey like others drink water. Though I made that clear. Nearly every post I make is in some stage of inebriation. I'm Cajun *and* Native American *and* Irish in my bloodlines .... if anyone's meant to drink, it's me.

You think converting to Islam would stop that? Hell ... I've been apostate for months now because Allah wouldn't give up the booze. Greedy bastard wants it all to himself. Fuck that. I'm here, he's not, pony up the liquor!

Don't drink and post, that's all I have to say.
I disagree with that. I move to strike out the words "drink and" in line 1. Do I have a second from the floor?

*snip the BS*
ooc: Yes, i am ranting and yes i am drunk
Ah, yes. Only the way I see it, you're decidedly IC, not OOC. And it says quite a lot about your C.

I disagree with that. I move to strike out the words "drink and" in line 1. Do I have a second from the floor?
Second!

Okay, I'm not one to go out and attack some one but this women Cindy Sheehan should be shot in the face with a hollow point.

She complains about the war, and don't get me wrong I... approved of the war but dis approved how we went about it. but anyway. She just gets on TV and crys, moans, and complains about the war.

Her son died in the Military, the MILITARY!!! What does the military do, you ask? The military goes and kills things, people die in the military its a fact if your scared to die don't go into the military.

Her son died on a Volunteer mission, so if she should be mad at anyone she should be mad at her son. Her son died a hero, i believe that to the core of my soul. But she just goes on and on and on and on and on about the same thing over and over again.

---

American traitors.

These people... these are the true evil in our society. They join the military and when we go to war they run to Canada.

There homes in Canada should be shot as the traitors they are.

If I was the president i would revoke there citizenship, i would take away everything from them. freeze there money, ban all contact with them. If they want to run out on America, fine then they are not Americans.

ooc: Yes, i am ranting and yes i am drunk


http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/3042/owldrunk4np.jpg

Did I confuse someone? I drink Whiskey like others drink water. Though I made that clear. Nearly every post I make is in some stage of inebriation. I'm Cajun *and* Native American *and* Irish in my bloodlines .... if anyone's meant to drink, it's me.

You think converting to Islam would stop that? Hell ... I've been apostate for months now because Allah wouldn't give up the booze. Greedy bastard wants it all to himself. Fuck that. I'm here, he's not, pony up the liquor!

Uhm, yeah, I had a similar problem with other carnal desires.

Anyway, if and when the Clash of the Titans happens, you can drink normal beer just like the rest of us peasants!

Hes drunk, cut him some slack.
Uhh...no.

Intoxication can be a mitigating factor in some cases, but the underlying vitriol is just as misguided and extremist without alcohol, I assure you.

Anyway, if and when the Clash of the Titans happens, you can drink normal beer just like the rest of us peasants!

Bah! Beer ...

*gets distracted* Ooh Owl! Pretty! ....

*runs off chasing other post*

Intoxication can be a mitigating factor in some cases, but the underlying vitriol is just as misguided and extremist without alcohol, I assure you.

I can assure you that my vitriol is far tastier when I've had a few belts.

The two main jobs of the military is to:
1. Protect the nation and it's inhabitants. This is aided by job #2.
2. Destroy the enemy, usually with either capturing its soldiers and leaders or killing them. Of course, In rare incidents, the enemy could surrender under mere threat of action.

Yes, Cindy has the right to protest whatever the hell she wants. However, she loses some credibility when she uses her son's death as a weapon of protest when her son died because of HIS decisions. He decided to go on that mission. They didn't say "You HAVE to go on this mission." No, they merely gave his the choice and he took it. If he was drafted or forced to go on the mission in some other forceful way, she'd have a point. To me, she seems like an attention whore who stepped over the line by using her son's death as a tool to aid her protests when her son died because he himself chose the fatal decision.
Reasonably put, but I disagree. A soldier volunteers because that's what a good soldier does. Sheehan is protesting the fact that those in control of the military are using these good soldiers for at best hopeless, and at worst shameful ends. I have no doubt that if Sheehan's son had died in an honorable war defending the actual legitimate sovereignty or citizens of the US (instead of a nation-building exercise in futility bringing democracy by gunpoint with specious justification), she'd be far better able to cope.

Just a quick reminder ... I've met Ms. Sheehan ...

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h224/Snoo_Snoo/Protest015_0001.jpg

(that's me on the right)

Just a quick reminder ... I've met Ms. Sheehan ...

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h224/Snoo_Snoo/Protest015_0001.jpg

(that's me on the right)


I couldn't smile next to her, I would be trying not to slap her. She bugs me to no end.

I couldn't smile next to her, I would be trying not to slap her. She bugs me to no end.

I was squinting in the sun.

However, having met her, I can honestly say she's not the person people make her out to be. She doesn't fawn for the cameras. Lots of news camera were there, yet she took that pic with me and talked to me for bit. She didn't brush me off and say, "Well the camera's a callin'!"

She ignored the media to listen to me talk about my experiences with my family and the Katrina mess. She's a nice lady. I'm sorry the right wing punditry has labelled her so badly. If I lost a child to a war, I'd be right there wondering why.

It's a pic I like to show because I use it to ask the right-wing neocon morons ... if she's such a media whore, why'd she stop and take a pic with a nobody like me?

I was squinting in the sun.

However, having met her, I can honestly say she's not the person people make her out to be. She doesn't fawn for the cameras. Lots of news camera were there, yet she took that pic with me and talked to me for bit. She didn't brush me off and say, "Well the camera's a callin'!"

She ignored the media to listen to me talk about my experiences with my family and the Katrina mess. She's a nice lady. I'm sorry the right wing punditry has labelled her so badly. If I lost a child to a war, I'd be right there wondering why.

It's a pic I like to show because I use it to ask the right-wing neocon morons ... if she's such a media whore, why'd she stop and take a pic with a nobody like me?

To make herself look good?

If she isn't a media whore why does she have camera's EVERYWHERE she goes? I have gotten sick of her crying over and over agin. She is being used by the lunatic left to use the grieving mother angle to garner sympthy for the anti-war effort. I detest that method!


FYI, don't call people who disagree with you morons. It degrades you.

http://as.wn.com/i/4f/14134508e5910d.jpg


YUP! Not a media whore at all!

If she isn't a media whore why does she have camera's EVERYWHERE she goes?.

Umm... cuz she's news.

Media cameras followed Charles Manson, too ... doesn't mean he's a left wing pundit.

To make herself look good?

If she isn't a media whore why does she have camera's EVERYWHERE she goes? I have gotten sick of her crying over and over agin. She is being used by the lunatic left to use the grieving mother angle to garner sympthy for the anti-war effort. I detest that method!


FYI, don't call people who disagree with you morons. It degrades you.But how would you know what she's like off camera if you haven't gone to meet her for yourself?

Umm... cuz she's news.

Media cameras followed Charles Manson, too ... doesn't mean he's a left wing pundit.


She does things to get on the news.


http://redstatepatriot.com/Cindy.jpg

See

But how would you know what she's like off camera if you haven't gone to meet her for yourself?


How do you know what Charles Manson is like if you never met him? That argument is invalid.

She does things to get on the news.


Oy ... I'm done with you ...

There was a moment in another thread when I thought you might be a nice rational Buddhist, but you're clearly an emotional reactionary - which the Buddha despised.

I'm done with your right wing ilk. Go and kill puppies. It's all you're good for.

Oy ... I'm done with you ...

There was a moment in another thread when I thought you might be a nice rational Buddhist, but you're clearly an emotional reactionary - which the Buddha despised.

I'm done with your right wing ilk. Go and kill puppies. It's all you're good for.


:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

Yes ... roll your eyes enough and you might see your own brain.

How do you know what Charles Manson is like if you never met him? That argument is invalid.Why would it be invalid because I never met Charles Manson? I don't know what he's like. All I have is footage and documentaries. I can't imagine him being that great of a guy on grounds that he killed people, though, something Mrs. Sheehan hasn't been doing.

Why would it be invalid because I never met Charles Manson? I don't know what he's like. All I have is footage and documentaries. I can't imagine him being that great of a guy on grounds that he killed people, though, something Mrs. Sheehan hasn't been doing.


Never said she did.

She does things to get on the news.


http://redstatepatriot.com/Cindy.jpg

See

Pop quiz.

When one has a message that one feels very deeply about and one wants to spread that message, does one:

A) Avoid the media and keep one's thoughts to oneself.

B) Make speeches in front of cameras as much as possible.

When preparing for an aired speech, does one:

A) Get one's hair done.

B) Get a bitchin' new tattoo.

When criticizing a person's argument, does one:

A) Make personal attacks based almost entirely on comments by those politically opposed to the original person.

B) Address the argument by noting factual errors, using logic and applying critical thought to the specific points made.

She does things to get on the news.


http://redstatepatriot.com/Cindy.jpg

See
Uh...and THAT's an unbiased source? It's called "REDSTATEPATRIOT" for intercourse's sake! LO-bleeding-L.

I was squinting in the sun.

However, having met her, I can honestly say she's not the person people make her out to be. She doesn't fawn for the cameras. Lots of news camera were there, yet she took that pic with me and talked to me for bit. She didn't brush me off and say, "Well the camera's a callin'!"

She ignored the media to listen to me talk about my experiences with my family and the Katrina mess. She's a nice lady. I'm sorry the right wing punditry has labelled her so badly. If I lost a child to a war, I'd be right there wondering why.

It's a pic I like to show because I use it to ask the right-wing neocon morons ... if she's such a media whore, why'd she stop and take a pic with a nobody like me?
Indeed! Well put and cool picture.

FYI, don't call people who disagree with you morons. It degrades you.
Just like all your "don't judge" arguments get degraded when you post that you "hate Italy" in the WC thread. And no, you didn't just mean the team.

Uh...and THAT's an unbiased source? It's called "REDSTATEPATRIOT" for intercourse's sake! LO-bleeding-L.


You want more?


http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/images/0926-05.jpg


http://www.airamerica.com/lauraflanders/files/lauraflanders/images/cindy%20sheehan%20at%20the%20white%20house%20gate.JPG


http://images.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20050926/160_sheehan2_050926.jpg


More for ya?


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2005/08/14/wirq14b.jpg


http://agircontrelaguerre.free.fr/IMG/jpg/Sheehan-2.jpg

http://www.sandersresearch.com/Sanders/upload/highres/050830Linda/050830CindyLg.jpg

Just like all your "don't judge" arguments get degraded when you post that you "hate Italy" in the WC thread. And no, you didn't just mean the team.

and where did I say I hated Italy?:D

She is leading a fight so she has to atract attention on her message, that is his son would still be alive if Bush and their pals weren't so stupid and war-lovers to start something unseful and that they cannot end in any satisfactory manner. Of course, his son is the only responsible of being in the army, but the responsible for the army being in Irak is Bush Gov.

Maybe for you is not ok to show his son picture, but is clear that you use him as her. You just agree with the army being send to die in irak for dark interest. Why don't you present yourself as volunteer to fight? And that has nothing to see with defending your country, but to keep power and control in US hands around the world.

and where did I say I hated Italy?:D
Sorry -- I got that backward. You said "I HATE France in every way." Regardless of the target, you're awfully preachy for one so easy to resort to hatred.

It was a volunteer mission he was on Gadiristan, he wanted to go.

Sorry -- I got that backward. You said "I HATE France in every way." Regardless of the target, you're awfully preachy for one so easy to resort to hatred.


Suiko, va te faire enculer!:upyours:

And I'm not french.

Suiko, va te faire enculer!:upyours:

And I'm not french.


:rolleyes:


Done with you.

:rolleyes:


Done with you.
See what grows when hatred sows?

It was a volunteer mission he was on Gadiristan, he wanted to go.


Maybe he trusted also in the words of his president and being a patriot, somthing I cannot share, he wanted to do what thought was his duty. But the white house morons send him to die in a unfair and wrongful war.

Maybe he trusted also in the words of his president and being a patriot, somthing I cannot share, he wanted to do what thought was his duty. But the white house morons send him to die in a unfair and wrongful war.



It was his choice, nobody forced him to go. When you CHOOSE to go into war you have no right to complain when you get shot!

:rolleyes:


Done with you.


I don't hate any country, even yours. And forgive for being so rude, but I love France and I'm quite tired of "To be a good american you must hate france and whatever comes from that country" stuff. Freedom fries! bah, just someone too stupid can imagine that. Nobody thought about calling hamburgers free world steak in WWII for having a german name. And they were your enemies, not your disagreeing ally.

It was his choice, nobody forced him to go. When you CHOOSE to go into war you have no right to complain when you get shot!
You do if the justification for your arse hanging out there in the line of fire is suspect, grossly inflated or completely bogus.

It was his choice, nobody forced him to go. When you CHOOSE to go into war you have no right to complain when you get shot!


So any gov decission, good or bad, has nothing to do with responsabilty? The soldiers in Little Big Horn died not for being soldiers, but for having stupid Custer as Officer.

I don't hate any country, even yours. And forgive for being so rude, but I love France and I'm quite tired of "To be a good american you must hate france and whatever comes from that country" stuff. Freedom fries! bah, just someone too stupid can imagine that. Nobody thought about calling hamburgers free world steak in WWII for having a german name. And they were your enemies, not your disagreeing ally.


Oh, You must have mistook me for a patriotic american. Gotta watch that. In fact I don't really care for this country and wanna leave. When you say even yours, you may think my country is the usa. Its not and never will be, my country is Japan. born and never wanted to leave.

You want more?


http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/images/0926-05.jpg


http://www.airamerica.com/lauraflanders/files/lauraflanders/images/cindy%20sheehan%20at%20the%20white%20house%20gate.JPG


http://images.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20050926/160_sheehan2_050926.jpg


More for ya?


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2005/08/14/wirq14b.jpg


http://agircontrelaguerre.free.fr/IMG/jpg/Sheehan-2.jpg

http://www.sandersresearch.com/Sanders/upload/highres/050830Linda/050830CindyLg.jpg
Pictures of her doing what she's doing. Uh...so what? She didn't bid the cameras come, and didn't pose or strut any more or less than before they arrived. What's your point?

Oh, You must have mistook me for a patriotic american. Gotta watch that. In fact I don't really care for this country and wanna leave. When you say even yours, you may think my country is the usa. Its not and never will be, my country is Japan. born and never wanted to leave.
And please -- oh please -- don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, okay?

Oh, You must have mistook me for a patriotic american. Gotta watch that. In fact I don't really care for this country and wanna leave. When you say even yours, you may think my country is the usa. Its not and never will be, my country is Japan. born and never wanted to leave.


ok, sorry, but you talk like being from the US and you're saying to be in the exile. Anyway, my reasons still stood.

Pictures of her doing what she's doing. Uh...so what? She didn't bid the cameras come, and didn't pose or strut any more or less than before they arrived. What's your point?



My point is she is a media whore. Did you not see her get arrested twice?

And please -- oh please -- don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, okay?



^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Why I can't wait to leave.

ok, sorry, but you talk like being from the US and you're saying to be in the exile. Anyway, my reasons still stood.


I am in the US but I am in exile. Meaning I don't want to be here. Do I like america? NO! I don't see anything saying I have to.

My point is she is a media whore. Did you not see her get arrested twice?


Media make whores everybody, and I'd be proud to be arrested being her.

I am in the US but I am in exile. Meaning I don't want to be here. Do I like america? NO! I don't see anything saying I have to.


Ok, sorry for you being away from home, but that's not the point.

Media make whores everybody, and I'd be proud to be arrested being her.


Getting arrested and smiling is a ploy for attention. What good did it do her?

Ok, sorry for you being away from home, but that's not the point.


Ok, I am tired. It's 4am. I should go to bed now.

Getting arrested and smiling is a ploy for attention. What good did it do her?
It's an American tradition. Stems from "Civil Disobedience".

It's an American tradition. Stems from "Civil Disobedience".



Now it makes her a carnival act. There are better ways than that to make your point and ones that don't drive people nuts.

My point is she is a media whore. Did you not see her get arrested twice?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Why I can't wait for you to go.

You're attempting to affix Japanese cultural norms on a culture on which they simply won't fit. You'll be far less frustrated if you understand that. But you refuse to and insist that everything you see here is inherently flawed. I feel sorry for you.

Civil Disobedience is indeed designed to draw attention to a cause. The person leading the cause is often objectified as a side-effect. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. would have been just as pleased to have the same civil rights results if he weren't one of the movement's prime figureheads.

If I recall correctly, in Japan, "the nail that sticks out gets hammered down". That doesn't play here. Were I in Japan (as I was in 1990, Kobe), I would certainly not expect the Nihongo to conduct themselves as I was culturally acclimated in the US. Sheehan is using her guaranteed right to speak her mind. Calling her a "media whore" shows that you've been listening to one side of the argument for too long and have adopted their mode of speech. Again, I pity you.

Now it makes her a carnival act. There are better ways than that to make your point and ones that don't drive people nuts.
It only seems to drive you nuts. Seeing as how Sheehan hasn't been on mainstream meida news reports for many months, it makes me think that you're going at least a bit out of your way to track her and her doings. That means you are CHOOSING to be aggravated and again have my pity.

What should she does, Seiko? Cry silently at home? Even if she thinks the gov is guilty? Be grateful for being the dead hero mother?

Bullshit, we have to rise our voices against this war, and if we need media to do that, let's become whores, until the world can hear we don't agree.

Don't drink and post, that's all I have to say.


In my day, we made a fool of ourselves IRL....puking over your mates is cheaper than puking on the PC. Unless it wasnt one of your mates in which case it might cost you teeth....

Now it makes her a carnival act. There are better ways than that to make your point and ones that don't drive people nuts.

Like....?

Cindy Sheehan needs to go to a psychoward. I'm not joking around she really does. Her whole family hates her, her husband divorced her over it. And for what has she gained? Nothing, infact her new friends and family are a bunch of hippies.

For all of you noobs out there, patriotism is really loyalty with a splash of love for your country. No matter how much you want to disagree, but you can't disagree with a proven fact. Sure it may be a propagandic word, but what isn't these days?

And god you guys, stop fuckin quoting who said this and shit. I mean sometimes I wonder if you guys spend more time on the computer than in real life. Or is real life just a computer screen to you people? I wonder what would happen if you never had a computer in your life. I bet you your lives would be 50 times better.

I really don't get why so many people feel this kind of murderous hatred toward Cindy Sheehan. I mean, sure, you can disagree with her, or even be pretty pissed off by what she says, but talking about shooting her in the face?

Dude, there are lots of crazy fundies and wingers who I think are bloody scum. I've even received a direct threat from one of them. But I've never felt the desire to fantasize about shooting them or torturing them, as so many seem to do with Cindy Sheehan. What is it about this lady that makes people flip out so much? All she's saying is that she thinks the war is a lousy idea that's being poorly handled, and more than half of America agrees with that. So what's the big freaking deal?

For all of you noobs out there, patriotism is really loyalty with a splash of love for your country.

Loyalty to your country, not your government. That's the difference between patriotism and nationalism. If your government sucks, patriotism is fixing that government by any means neccessary, or getting rid of it outright.

Nationalism means supporting the government it even if Genghis Khan became the leader.

Cindy Sheehan needs to go to a psychoward. I'm not joking around she really does. Her whole family hates her, her husband divorced her over it. And for what has she gained? Nothing, infact her new friends and family are a bunch of hippies.
Some part of her family hate her. Some part of her family support what she does.

A bunch of hippies is a good thing to have as friend. Much better that trigger-happy gun-toting rednecks. Say, prejudice and generalization is fun! :p


For all of you noobs out there,
... says the guy with 99 posts...

patriotism is really loyalty with a splash of love for your country. No matter how much you want to disagree, but you can't disagree with a proven fact. Sure it may be a propagandic word, but what isn't these days?
You're right: you can't disagree with a proven fact. The problem is that your definition is anything but a proven fact.

And god you guys, stop fuckin quoting who said this and shit. I mean sometimes I wonder if you guys spend more time on the computer than in real life. Or is real life just a computer screen to you people? I wonder what would happen if you never had a computer in your life. I bet you your lives would be 50 times better.
Quoting is good. It tells the readers what you are responding to. Especially in thread where there 5 posts a minute, people might be wondering what you are taling about.

We live our life as we please, thank you very much. We shall continue to do as we please. So I suggest that if you don't like it, at least don't comment on it.

I really don't get why so many people feel this kind of murderous hatred toward Cindy Sheehan. I mean, sure, you can disagree with her, or even be pretty pissed off by what she says, but talking about shooting her in the face?

Dude, there are lots of crazy fundies and wingers who I think are bloody scum. I've even received a direct threat from one of them. But I've never felt the desire to fantasize about shooting them or torturing them, as so many seem to do with Cindy Sheehan. What is it about this lady that makes people flip out so much? All she's saying is that she thinks the war is a lousy idea that's being poorly handled, and more than half of America agrees with that. So what's the big freaking deal?

Most of those are thoughts of sad drunkards that do no much more than sit, get drunk, post stupidities and vomit their shirts while watching porn, with a Guns&Ammo magazine in their laps, intermixing body fluids, rarely leaving their lair. They even recognize it lately, instead of saying that they are US Marines Colonels with purple hearts and experience in many wars and stealth solo missions, so no need to pay heed to their threads in any case.

Okay, I'm not one to go out and attack some one but this women Cindy Sheehan should be shot in the face with a hollow point.

She complains about the war, and don't get me wrong I... approved of the war but dis approved how we went about it. but anyway. She just gets on TV and crys, moans, and complains about the war.

Her son died in the Military, the MILITARY!!! What does the military do, you ask? The military goes and kills things, people die in the military its a fact if your scared to die don't go into the military.

Her son died on a Volunteer mission, so if she should be mad at anyone she should be mad at her son. Her son died a hero, i believe that to the core of my soul. But she just goes on and on and on and on and on about the same thing over and over again.
Cindy is over rated and if the conservatives would stop obsessing over her, she wouldn't ever be mentionned.


American traitors.

These people... these are the true evil in our society. They join the military and when we go to war they run to Canada.

There homes in Canada should be shot as the traitors they are.

If I was the president i would revoke there citizenship, i would take away everything from them. freeze there money, ban all contact with them. If they want to run out on America, fine then they are not Americans.

ooc: Yes, i am ranting and yes i am drunk
THAT is a load of rubbish.

A guy volunteer to be in the army. Irak comes along. He disagree with the war on moral grounds. He applies for conscientous objector. He gets told "shut up and go over there to be shot in a war you disagree with". The guy takes his family and leaves. In my mind, he is being morally consistent, despite possibly going to jail for it. He thinks about the welfare of his family first and his "dear leader" after, which is perfectly understandable.

Those guys should be applauded, like those who did it in vietnam. They are willing to leave their life behind to oppose an unjust war. That takes courage.

Besides, Deserting is not being a traitor. Those are two different offenses. It's not like they sold military secrets to Al-Quaeda. Some people see treason as disagreeing with their own viewpoint. Get a clue.

Okay, I'm not one to go out and attack some one but this women Cindy Sheehan should be shot in the face with a hollow point.

She complains about the war, and don't get me wrong I... approved of the war but dis approved how we went about it. but anyway. She just gets on TV and crys, moans, and complains about the war.

Her son died in the Military, the MILITARY!!! What does the military do, you ask? The military goes and kills things, people die in the military its a fact if your scared to die don't go into the military.

Her son died on a Volunteer mission, so if she should be mad at anyone she should be mad at her son. Her son died a hero, i believe that to the core of my soul. But she just goes on and on and on and on and on about the same thing over and over again.

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American traitors.

These people... these are the true evil in our society. They join the military and when we go to war they run to Canada.

There homes in Canada should be shot as the traitors they are.

If I was the president i would revoke there citizenship, i would take away everything from them. freeze there money, ban all contact with them. If they want to run out on America, fine then they are not Americans.

ooc: Yes, i am ranting and yes i am drunk

Cindy Sheehan is a seditious whore and a disgrace to the memory of her son. I hope she stays on her hunger strike forever. That way we may finally be rid of her.

Don't drink and post, that's all I have to say.
I think he's been up for seven days straight on meth.

Cindy Sheehan is a seditious whore
Oh, and that's the other bit...I see tons and tons of people attacking Sheehan for being a "whore" or a "slut," yet I can't seem to figure out 1) where they are getting information about her sexual history, and 2) why her being a whore or slut would have the least thing to do with the subject. Why would these particular insults keep cropping up?

Oh, and that's the other bit...I see tons and tons of people attacking Sheehan for being a "whore" or a "slut," yet I can't seem to figure out 1) where they are getting information about her sexual history, and 2) why her being a whore or slut would have the least thing to do with the subject. Why would these particular insults keep cropping up?

it certainly couldn't have anything to do with outdated cultural attitudes towards 'uppity' women. nosiree.

Okay, I'm not one to go out and attack some one but this women Cindy Sheehan should be shot in the face with a hollow point.

I'm scared of the illegal war that the USA started.

It's time that North Korea and Iran be allowed to have peaceful nuclear weapons. Why should the USA have them and not NK and Iran?

Cindy Sheehan at least is truthful, even the republican extremists must admit.

it certainly couldn't have anything to do with outdated cultural attitudes towards 'uppity' women. nosiree.
My theory is that they are not secured in their sexuality. They see whore and pimp as being normal.

I'm scared of the illegal war that the USA started.

It's time that North Korea and Iran be allowed to have peaceful nuclear weapons. Why should the USA have them and not NK and Iran?

Cindy Sheehan at least is truthful, even the republican extremists must admit.

I guess you weren't too frightened by the illegal war started by North Korea, that has never ended.

it certainly couldn't have anything to do with outdated cultural attitudes towards 'uppity' women. nosiree.
Much as I hate to think it, I've got to agree. It really seems like some people foam at the mouth to see a woman daring to question the (male) authority, and they have the immediate urge to attack her with the same tired insults that have been flung at women for thousands of years. For some reason, having sex is supposed to make a woman less credible or less moral, and therefore they think they can discredit Sheehan by using slurs about her sexual behaviors. It's kind of sad, really.

Oh, and that's the other bit...I see tons and tons of people attacking Sheehan for being a "whore" or a "slut," yet I can't seem to figure out 1) where they are getting information about her sexual history, and 2) why her being a whore or slut would have the least thing to do with the subject. Why would these particular insults keep cropping up?

Teenage male angst with a good dose of misogyny.

Like most of New Mitanni's outlook, such comments are based on hate, not on anything so base as reason.

Some part of her family hate her. Some part of her family support what she does.

A bunch of hippies is a good thing to have as friend. Much better that trigger-happy gun-toting rednecks.

Ill take that as a compliment, I'd like to see her come down here. Where us poor gun toting rednecks can get a bead on her.

Cindy is over rated and if the conservatives would stop obsessing over her, she wouldn't ever be mentionned.


THAT is a load of rubbish.

A guy volunteer to be in the army. Irak comes along. He disagree with the war on moral grounds. He applies for conscientous objector. He gets told "shut up and go over there to be shot in a war you disagree with". The guy takes his family and leaves. In my mind, he is being morally consistent, despite possibly going to jail for it. He thinks about the welfare of his family first and his "dear leader" after, which is perfectly understandable.

Those guys should be applauded, like those who did it in vietnam. They are willing to leave their life behind to oppose an unjust war. That takes courage.

Besides, Deserting is not being a traitor. Those are two different offenses. It's not like they sold military secrets to Al-Quaeda. Some people see treason as disagreeing with their own viewpoint. Get a clue.

Don't ever tell me to get a clue buddy. My father was in Vietnam and i have seen what it has done to him.

I know even though i don't totally agree with the war if my government asked me to go i would gladly take up arms for my country, Would you?

Deserting there posts is really more accurate but they ran out on there country and still should be shot.

I'm scared of the illegal war that the USA started.

It's time that North Korea and Iran be allowed to have peaceful nuclear weapons. Why should the USA have them and not NK and Iran?

Cindy Sheehan at least is truthful, even the republican extremists must admit.

oh my god I cant believe someone just said something like that....

*sigh*

NC possibly has the power to reach the continental US with a nuclear bomb. NC is the country that were still at war with and it the country you are at war with is pointing a nuke at you i say we just carpet bomb all the missile sites.

Iran is a country lead by Muslim extremists and have vowed to kill all Westerners. They believe that if they die in there Jihad nonsense that they will be able to go to heaven, now what makes you think they wont start a nuclear war with... lets say Israel, there most hated enemy. Again i say strike first and end it before it gets to be a problem.

oh my god I cant believe someone just said something like that....

*sigh*

NC possibly has the power to reach the continental US with a nuclear bomb. NC is the country that were still at war with and it the country you are at war with is pointing a nuke at you i say we just carpet bomb all the missile sites.

Iran is a country lead by Muslim extremists and have vowed to kill all Westerners. They believe that if they die in there Jihad nonsense that they will be able to go to heaven, now what makes you think they wont start a nuclear war with... lets say Israel, there most hated enemy. Again i say strike first and end it before it gets to be a problem.

Isn't the USA ruled by a party that dislikes homosexuals, and supported by several churches that see most of the people outside their organizations as "sinners"?, and that nation has like 3,000 nuclear warheads? Isn't Russia ruled by an ex-KGB agent known by his brutality and lack of mercy and compassion? And that nation has thousands of warheads too? Isn't China a communist regime that violates human rights regularly, and also have a nuclear arsenal?

Meh.

Isn't the USA ruled by a party that dislikes homosexuals, and supported by several churches that see most of the people outside their organizations as "sinners"?, and that nation has like 3,000 nuclear warheads? Isn't Russia ruled by an ex-KGB agent known by his brutality and lack of mercy and compassion? And that nation has thousands of warheads too? Isn't China a communist regime that violates human rights regularly, and also have a nuclear arsenal?

Meh.

touché

Isn't the USA ruled by a party that dislikes homosexuals,
Don't forget their plans to transport a giant mirror into outer space and use it to reflect the sun's rays and melt the polar ice caps, thereby causing a rise in the earth's oceans large enough to wipe out California, Washington, Oregon, and much of New England; the consistantly democratic-voting states. (Okay, fine, I'm evading your point to make fun of you. Bad debate on my part, but partisan bickering drives me up the wall.)

and supported by several churches that see most of the people outside their organizations as "sinners"?,
Don't most churches? Although I heard some other ones use names like "infidel"...

and that nation has like 3,000 nuclear warheads? Isn't Russia ruled by an ex-KGB agent known by his brutality and lack of mercy and compassion? And that nation has thousands of warheads too? Isn't China a communist regime that violates human rights regularly, and also have a nuclear arsenal?

Meh.

I doubt Russia is willing to start another Cold War, after what it did to their economy last time.

And China, you're right, is a little iffy. I wouldn't trust them too far, really, but they seem to at least have some stability.

But North Korea is lead by an erratic and often psychotic dictator who doesn't seem particularly intimidated by the west. Noting how Russia, China, and North Korea actually share a border, God only knows how Japan must feel. Iran is a theocracy, and a dangerous one. They, again, are not particularly intimidated by western threats of "sanctions" and whatnot at this point. Don't forget that they are within a stone's throw (or an ICBM's throw if you will) of Europe and, of course, Israel.

Don't ever tell me to get a clue buddy. My father was in Vietnam and i have seen what it has done to him.
Then you can understand why someone would not want to go in a war.

I know even though i don't totally agree with the war if my government asked me to go i would gladly take up arms for my country, Would you?
No. I don't owe it to my country. Besides, there are just war and there are ressources grab based of deception. I will never support the latter.

Deserting there posts is really more accurate but they ran out on there country and still should be shot.
I am so glad you are not bothering with a military tribunal and all that mucking about we call due process.

Now it makes her a carnival act. There are better ways than that to make your point and ones that don't drive people nuts.

Tentacle rape is NOT a form of protest.

Oh, and that's the other bit...I see tons and tons of people attacking Sheehan for being a "whore" or a "slut," yet I can't seem to figure out 1) where they are getting information about her sexual history, and 2) why her being a whore or slut would have the least thing to do with the subject. Why would these particular insults keep cropping up?

Simple: Any woman who speaks her mind must be a whore. After all, if she's not in the kitchen cooking some man's dinner, she's out humping everything.

Sort of like the Saudi view that it's not a crime to rape a woman who isn't wearing a veil because she must be a slut.

Astounding similarities there.

It was his choice, nobody forced him to go. When you CHOOSE to go into war you have no right to complain when you get shot!

Dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life ... especially coming from someone who screamed and bitched and moaned when someone suggested Ken Lay deserved to die.

So Ken Lay didn't, but Cindy's son did?

Fuck you.

Tentacle rape is NOT a form of protest.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.


She might have a thing for her. ;)

Oh, and that's the other bit...I see tons and tons of people attacking Sheehan for being a "whore" or a "slut," yet I can't seem to figure out 1) where they are getting information about her sexual history, and 2) why her being a whore or slut would have the least thing to do with the subject. Why would these particular insults keep cropping up?

Sheehan sells her services, namely a relentless, rabid vomit of hate-America screeching, to any enemy regime or psychotic leftist clique that will have her. WHORE. :p

Sheehan sells her services, namely a relentless, rabid vomit of hate-America screeching, to any enemy regime or psychotic leftist clique that will have her. WHORE. :p

Neo-Cons are so cute...until they grow up.

Neo-Cons are so cute...until they grow up.

Or someone loses an eye ...

Neo-Cons are so cute...until they grow up.

Nah, they are still cute when they grow up, as long as they do not hold any kind of authority or power

NC possibly has the power to reach the continental US with a nuclear bomb. NC is the country that were still at war with and it the country you are at war with is pointing a nuke at you i say we just carpet bomb all the missile sites.


How odd.

Why are we carpet-bombing North Carolina, again?

I mean... yes, it's a dump... but, seems a little excessive.

Dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life ... especially coming from someone who screamed and bitched and moaned when someone suggested Ken Lay deserved to die.

So Ken Lay didn't, but Cindy's son did?

Fuck you.
It's the job's risk. Police officers and soldiers should know that they are likely to get shot at and possibly killed. It's just like nurses are more likely to get diseases than most other healthy people or how fire fighters have a high chance of getting burned.

He knew the risks and volunteered for the mission anyway. He died for what he believed in, which probably didn't involve xenophobic murder, which makes him a hero. He volunteered and died fighting. He knew the risks and volunteered anyway. If he didn't want his life at risk, he wouldn't have volunteered. Let's just leave his heroism out of politics. Nothing says dishonor like having your death be used as a weapon of mass political protest.

He knew the risks and volunteered for the mission anyway.

Incidental. Doesn't mean he deserved to die.

Would you grieve your child any less if they volunteered?

How odd.

Why are we carpet-bombing North Carolina, again?

I mean... yes, it's a dump... but, seems a little excessive.
'Tis what the South Carolinans wanted, though Virginia has been getting alot of defective missiles lately. Surprisingly, Alaska is the only other state to also be accidentally hit with defective technology of mass termination.

Incidental. Doesn't mean he deserved to die.

Would you grieve your child any less if they volunteered?
I wouldn't use his or her death as a weapon of mass protest.

I wouldn't use his or her death as a weapon of mass protest.

You have no way of knowing that. Hell Cindy didn't know it either. She just wanted answers from the man who sent her son to die. She didn't call the media.

How odd.

Why are we carpet-bombing North Carolina, again?

I mean... yes, it's a dump... but, seems a little excessive.
again... did be bomb North Carolina earlier??? :confused:

again... did be bomb North Carolina earlier??? :confused:

Again... as in... why are we doing this, again?

Maybe it's just what we say 'down our way'... the 'again' refers to the explanation - as in, did I miss it...?

You have no way of knowing that. Hell Cindy didn't know it either. She just wanted answers from the man who sent her son to die. She didn't call the media."The Man who sent her son to die"

her son volunteered to join the military, when one joins the military, the chances of you dying on foreign soil is a possibility.

Blaming President Bush for her son's death is like blaming the Mayor or Govenor when a police officer dies.

Miss Sheehan just cannot cope with her son's choices and is trying to lay "Blame" on someone other than her son's choice of career or herself for not pursuading her son to pursue another career.

BTW, I never called her a whore or slut.

Again... as in... why are we doing this, again?

Maybe it's just what we say 'down our way'... the 'again' refers to the explanation - as in, did I miss it...?He's not talking about bombing it again. Of course, if he missed the end of the Civil War in history class, that's his problem.

Miss Sheehan just cannot cope with her son's choices and is trying to lay "Blame" on someone other than her son's choice of career or herself for not pursuading her son to pursue another career.

Actually, she can. She's said so on numerous occasions. What she wants is to know why her son had to die for a lie.

We all want to know that.

He volunteered to serve his country, not to serve the whim of Bush's magic sky fairy.

It's the job's risk. Police officers and soldiers should know that they are likely to get shot at and possibly killed. It's just like nurses are more likely to get diseases than most other healthy people or how fire fighters have a high chance of getting burned..

Keru is referencing the trollets posts in the Ken Lay has died thread.

She declared it was offensive to comment on the man's death.......

It's the job's risk. Police officers and soldiers should know that they are likely to get shot at and possibly killed. It's just like nurses are more likely to get diseases than most other healthy people or how fire fighters have a high chance of getting burned.

He knew the risks and volunteered for the mission anyway. He died for what he believed in, which probably didn't involve xenophobic murder, which makes him a hero. He volunteered and died fighting. He knew the risks and volunteered anyway. If he didn't want his life at risk, he wouldn't have volunteered. Let's just leave his heroism out of politics. Nothing says dishonor like having your death be used as a weapon of mass political protest.



Nice to see I am not the only one like that here.

Guys, calm down. Keruvalia in particular. Don't bait each other.

"The Man who sent her son to die"

her son volunteered to join the military, when one joins the military, the chances of you dying on foreign soil is a possibility.

Blaming President Bush for her son's death is like blaming the Mayor or Govenor when a police officer dies.

Miss Sheehan just cannot cope with her son's choices and is trying to lay "Blame" on someone other than her son's choice of career or herself for not pursuading her son to pursue another career.

BTW, I never called her a whore or slut.


Agreed. She is not the only mother to lose a child in Iraq, but she is the only one acting this way.

Nah, they are still cute when they grow up, as long as they do not hold any kind of authority or power

Unfortunately for you, conservatives (neo or otherwise) do hold both authority and power in the US and will continue to do so.

Have a nice day :)

Guys, calm down. Keruvalia in particular. Don't bait each other.

I'm perfectly calm.

I suppose I'll stop baiting, though. But it's soooo easy!

I'm perfectly calm.

I suppose I'll stop baiting, though. But it's soooo easy!
guess that makes you a master... nevermind. :p

guess that makes you a master... nevermind. :p

hehehe ... awesome

guess that makes you a master... nevermind. :p

ZINGGG!!! :D

Well, this thread is more proof that The Bushevik Revolution is going strong and will keep going long after Dear Leader leaves the White House.

It's pathetic really. One woman who's doing what she believes is the right thing and the entire Bushevik Nation has nothing better to do than give her the attention they constantly claim she's whoring for and then call for her being shot or whatever. The only difference between a Bushevik and an Islamist is that the Islamist will back his word up when he says he wants to kill someone.

I bet you if someone dug up all the Cindy Sheehan posts on NSG, most if not all of them were in fact started by Busheviks. It just plays to the pattern of demonizing dissent as treason, looking for enemies where there are none, and treating harmless dissenters more harshly than actual enemies of the nation. The fuckers are in power but they can't stop wanting to play the Persecution Victim card. I mean, look at the "Liberal Media" myth as the biggest example. They own the airwaves but they want to bitch like they're being shut out.

Calling Cindy Sheehan an attention whore who deserves to be shot is classic Bushevik Masturbation.

ZINGGG!!! :D

Say lil lady, that's a nice cheerleading skirt you got on. How about after the game I take you out for a few screwdrivers eh?

Calling Cindy Sheehan an attention whore who deserves to be shot is classic Bushevik Masturbation.

Well, she is!!!

quote:Cindy Sheehan on Daily Kos
"i am watching cnn and it is 100 percent rita...even though it is a little wind and a little rain...it is bad, but there are other things going on in this country today...and in the world!!!!"

me, me, me, me!!!
I was laughing my ass off when I heard her say this!!

Busheviks never see the irony.

If you bring up another Cindy Sheehan post just to call her an attention whore, you are in fact an Attention John who keeps the industry going.

Busheviks never see the irony.

If you bring up another Cindy Sheehan post just to call her an attention whore, you are in fact an Attention John who keeps the industry going.


The more you use the term Bushevik, attack people who like Bush, attack people who hate Sheehan and assume all people who are annoyed by sheehan are bush supporters the worse it makes you look.


FYI, I don't like Sheehan, but despite that I don't like Dubya either. In my list of US presidents he is near the bottom. See, you can have one without the other.

I disagree with the war, but I hate Sheehan. Her son chose to go to the military knowing he could die. Its sad that her son died, but that's simply what happens in wars. Also, to me she seems to call all American soldiers in Iraq rapists and war criminals. That just pisses me off. She should stop blaming our soldiers.

But my main problem with her is that she's near retarded. I'd rather listen to an hour-long speech form Bush than a minute of this retard. She can't speak, she has no idea what she is saying, and people still follow her. These people who say, "how can the US follow someone as stupid as Bush", then go and follow her. She demanded to speak to Bush, and when he naturally refused she got mad and went on some hunger strike. the President of the USA does not have time for some half-assed woman who will simply tell him what the rest of the world is telling him. I mean, does she really expect to convince him? All of a sudden he will say, "O wow, how didn't I realize that? and leave Iraq"?

She said something to the effect that this war is a war crime, and that our soldiers are murdering and raping just living. Sorry but what the fuck does that mean? Murdering just living? WTF? And I am sorry, but a war cannot be a war crime. A war can be illegal, but not a war crime. And the war is not even illegal. I really doubt she ever checked the rules concerning wars.

I disagree with the war, but I hate Sheehan. Her son chose to go to the military knowing he could die. Its sad that her son died, but that's simply what happens in wars. Also, to me she seems to call all American soldiers in Iraq rapists and war criminals. That just pisses me off. She should stop blaming our soldiers.

But my main problem with her is that she's near retarded. I'd rather listen to an hour-long speech form Bush than a minute of this retard. She can't speak, she has no idea what she is saying, and people still follow her. These people who say, "how can the US follow someone as stupid as Bush", then go and follow her. She demanded to speak to Bush, and when he naturally refused she got mad and went on some hunger strike. the President of the USA does not have time for some half-assed woman who will simply tell him what the rest of the world is telling him. I mean, does she really expect to convince him? All of a sudden he will say, "O wow, how didn't I realize that? and leave Iraq"?

She said something to the effect that this war is a war crime, and that our soldiers are murdering and raping just living. Sorry but what the fuck does that mean? Murdering just living? WTF? And I am sorry, but a war cannot be a war crime. A war can be illegal, but not a war crime. And the war is not even illegal. I really doubt she ever checked the rules concerning wars.



Nice post, I think she has let her grief control her. But I also think the anti-war left is using her.

Cindy Sheehan is a seditious whore and a disgrace to the memory of her son. I hope she stays on her hunger strike forever. That way we may finally be rid of her.
I could guess, but I'll ask.

You're not a Christian, are you?

Oh, and that's the other bit...I see tons and tons of people attacking Sheehan for being a "whore" or a "slut," yet I can't seem to figure out 1) where they are getting information about her sexual history, and 2) why her being a whore or slut would have the least thing to do with the subject. Why would these particular insults keep cropping up?
Lack of imagination + years of that being the ultimate insult to a woman, regardless of veracity.

Oh please, the only way I find out Cindy Sheehan is doing anything lately is when a Bushevik posts it here on NSG. There hasn't been any mention of her on the major news medias in I would say almost half a year.

You can disagree with what she does and believes, but my point is that only Busheviks go out of their way to demonize her here on NSG when the whole world is pretty much going on without caring. Only Busheviks are obcessive about every appearance or statement she makes.

Nobody cares about Cindy Sheehan except the Busheviks. Everyone else goes on with the rest of the world.

I'm scared of the illegal war that the USA started.

It's time that North Korea and Iran be allowed to have peaceful nuclear weapons. Why should the USA have them and not NK and Iran?

Cindy Sheehan at least is truthful, even the republican extremists must admit.
I think I understand your point of view, but the phrase "peaceful nuclear weapons" is ludicrous at best. "Peaceful nuclear power" would be more appealing...I think.

I guess you weren't too frightened by the illegal war started by North Korea, that has never ended.
If she isn't, I am.

Any war that goes unended and leaves tens of thousands of soldiers staring across a DMZ at one another for decades scares the shit out of me. It could be used as a pretext for another invasion or at least a resumption of open warfare, and nobody wants that, except the arms manufacturers.

Sheehan sells her services, namely a relentless, rabid vomit of hate-America screeching, to any enemy regime or psychotic leftist clique that will have her. WHORE. :p
Unless the services she sells include sexual favors, "whore" is the wrong word and you use it because you think it makes you look strong and tough and opinionated, when in fact it merely makes you look reactionary, thoughtless and ignorant.

I've never ONCE heard Sheehan say she "hates America". The whole "dissenters hate America" talking point for the Right is just more repeat-it-til-it-sticks hogwash designed to strip away any kind of thought or rational consideration from the debate. Which, especially if you're not capable of those things to begin with, sells really well here in the good ol' USA.

I'll try once more -- good soldiers volunteer for missions, it's what they do. They are indoctrinated (their word, not mine) into the enlisted side of the military in such a way as to strip them of their outward individuality -- AND THAT'S HOW IT NEEDS TO BE. I've got no problem with that, becuase soldiers who don't follow orders while in combat get other soldiers killed. I get that.

HOWEVER, that necessary obedience can easily be trained because it's situational -- far inside the larger picture that composes any armed conflict involving an entire nation. Soldiers aren't programmed to look at that picture by their very nature. Again, I understand that and don't think it's a bad thing. It's necessary.

HOWEVER (again), CINDY Sheehan did not receive such training and is not subject to the press blackouts and censorship that her son served under (which is again necessary to be a conscience-free follower of orders...no problem, that's the job). As such, she believes, and I believe rightly so, that her son's dedication and devotion to military service was unjustly used and perhaps even illegally used to further ends that are undemocratic and unconstitutional.

For her to say that the US government effectively used her son as a tool in an unjustifiable war is NOT treason, it's dissent. Dissent FOUNDED THIS COUNTRY, and if you can't understand that, then I'm not sure you understand America...at least not properly.

The fact that the press is willing to aid and abet Sheehan's cause makes her no more any kind of whore than ANYONE who uses the press to get their particular message out -- politicians and pundits included.

If she is "screechy" or strident, that's how she's chosen to deliver her message, and you're free to tune out. Until you've had a kid killed in the line of duty and honestly believe that the duty he or she was commanded to do was unjust or shady or anything you disagree with, you really are in no position to judge Cindy Sheehan.

To honestly demand that you can't dislike the government that sent the soldiers into harm's way and STILL LOVE AND RESPECT THE SOLDIERS THEMSELVES is to be intellectually dishonest and chronically full of shit. Cindy Sheehan is NOT out to debate with soldiers or the military's rank and file. Her problem is with the executives who ordered the military into war, and she absolutely has the right to state her grievances as long as she wants in any way she wants so long as it's legal.

Just because you disagree does NOT make her statments treasonous -- let's separate those concepts for good right now. Personally, I don't like her mode of expression and prefer a more moderate, reasoned and calm, less dramatic approach, but that's me. She's entitled to present herself any way she wants. I will say, however, that she's never aided or given comfort to any enemy, and never said that those who dislike her or disagree with her need to be shot.

I know this is going to fall on either deaf ears, or the choir, but I thought it was worth a try.

How odd.

Why are we carpet-bombing North Carolina, again?

I mean... yes, it's a dump... but, seems a little excessive.
Thanks. I needed that. :D

Dissent FOUNDED THIS COUNTRY

Picked out and quoted for truth!

"The Man who sent her son to die"

her son volunteered to join the military, when one joins the military, the chances of you dying on foreign soil is a possibility.

Blaming President Bush for her son's death is like blaming the Mayor or Govenor when a police officer dies.

Wow, that's just so incorrect it's hard to breathe.

The mayor does not send the police in, well, anywhere, really. The police have regular patrol and surveillance duties and are "on the front lines" the minute they leave the precinct station house (or wherever they're housed). There are emphasis patrols, raids, busts, stuff like that, but those are not ordered by the mayor because the mayor is an administrator, not a commander-in-chief.

The President, by definition of the term here in the US, IS the Commander-In-Chief and therefore DOES decide where the troops go.

Yikes, I can't believe I actually had to explain that.

Actually, she can. She's said so on numerous occasions. What she wants is to know why her son had to die for a lie.

We all want to know that.

He volunteered to serve his country, not to serve the whim of Bush's magic sky fairy.
Amen and hallelujah, the truth is so liberating to hear.

EDIT:
[Bill Maher]
God told Pat Robertson the war would be a disaster.
The same God told George W. Bush that it would be a success.
God's a flip-flopper!
[/Bill Maher]

Yikes, I can't believe I actually had to explain that.

Don't feel bad. They don't teach civics in high school anymore.

Nice to see I am not the only one like that here.
Oh, you're not, I assure you. Ignorance adores a mob.

Oh, you're not, I assure you. Ignorance adores a mob.

Practically requires it.

Agreed. She is not the only mother to lose a child in Iraq, but she is the only one acting this way.
Really? The ONLY one?

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/26/1350207


We play a press conference from Camp Casey held by members of Gold Star Families for Peace and Military Families Speak Out with mothers and wives from around the country speaking about their opposition to the war and to President Bush's policies in Iraq.

Dig deeper, Baka-chen

Oh, you're not, I assure you. Ignorance adores a mob.
Do you mind acting like you give a damn about the rules around here?

Wow, that's just so incorrect it's hard to breathe.

The mayor does not send the police in, well, anywhere, really. The police have regular patrol and surveillance duties and are "on the front lines" the minute they leave the precinct station house (or wherever they're housed). There are emphasis patrols, raids, busts, stuff like that, but those are not ordered by the mayor because the mayor is an administrator, not a commander-in-chief.

The President, by definition of the term here in the US, IS the Commander-In-Chief and therefore DOES decide where the troops go.

Yikes, I can't believe I actually had to explain that.and while congress did approve of this war, Bush did not Send in any troops, it was the joint cheifs and the generals that decide which units go in. thus it's still not Bush who ordered Cindy's son's unit in.

yes, he is the commander in cheif, but he is not the one who ordered which troops to where.

just like the mayor and Govenor tells the police to keep order, but it's the cheif of police that deploys and maintains the force.

Well, she is!!!

quote:Cindy Sheehan on Daily Kos
"i am watching cnn and it is 100 percent rita...even though it is a little wind and a little rain...it is bad, but there are other things going on in this country today...and in the world!!!!"

me, me, me, me!!!
I was laughing my ass off when I heard her say this!!
Uh...the media do tend to over-cover natural disasters. Something that's moving at 20mph some 300 miles from landfall doesn't need 24-hour coverage, reporters at every possible location along the projected path, and the hushed tones of abject terror designed to frighten Americans into continuing to watch.

Read The Culture of Fear by Barry Glassner. That might help explain mo' betta' what I'm trying to say.

and while congress did approve of this war, Bush did not Send in any troops, it was the joint cheifs and the generals that decide which units go in. thus it's still not Bush who ordered Cindy's son's unit in.

yes, he is the commander in cheif, but he is not the one who ordered which troops to where.

just like the mayor and Govenor tells the police to keep order, but it's the cheif of police that deploys and maintains the force.
Did you even read the post I quoted?

And saying that "Congress approved of the war" is a bit disingenuous, isn't it? They approved bills funding the military and supporting the troops (because to be perceived or even spun as not supporting the troops, no matter what your reason is tantamount to political suicide)...nuance, the thing that the Right can't stand.

Did you even read the post I quoted?

And saying that "Congress approved of the war" is a bit disingenuous, isn't it? They approved bills funding the military and supporting the troops (because to be perceived or even spun as not supporting the troops, no matter what your reason is tantamount to political suicide)...nuance, the thing that the Right can't stand.
yep, I read it. but blaming Bush for one or even all of those soldier's deaths is also not right.

he may be the commander in cheif, and the this fiasco is squarely on his shoulders.

however, the man responsible for the death of Cindy's son isn't GW Bush.

Do you mind acting like you give a damn about the rules around here?
Which rules would that be? And are you enforcing them against those calling for a dissenting woman's assassination (then again, I'm ignorant of whether or not that kind of post is even frowned upon, let alone against the rules)?

Calling someone "ignorant" means exactly that. I believe the poster I quoted is ignorant of the facts at hand. I didn't say she was "stupid." I've been called ignorant (and worse, mind you) without any ill effects. Sometimes I even cop to being ignorant because I go off half-cocked without looking up basic facts. Hell, I've even apologized for it.

I know I'm not supposed to rile a mod, and that's not what I'm trying to do, but I'll defend the proper, non-pejorative use of the word "ignorant" if I'm going to be called to task for it. My previous posts mark me as largely restraining vitriol in favor of an attempt at reason. If I have stepped over a line, I apologize.

IGNORANT: adj. Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.
Usage: Someone who knows nothing about growing things may be called ignorant by a farmer who never went to high school but has spent his life in the fields. "Ignorant" refers to a lack of knowledge.

yep, I read it. but blaming Bush for one or even all of those soldier's deaths is also not right.

he may be the commander in cheif, and the this fiasco is squarely on his shoulders.

however, the man responsible for the death of Cindy's son isn't GW Bush.
I guess I'll just respectfully disagree. If Bush didn't believe in the reasons (however faulty in my opinion) for sending troops, they wouldn't have been sent, and Sheehan's son would likely still be alive.

It's not an official warning. Just be careful you don't step over the line. People have been known to get a taste for danger. ;)

It's not an official warning. Just be careful you don't step over the line. People have been known to get a taste for danger. ;)

*mission impossible theme plays*

I have a question. I've read this thread, and (unless I missed it), there's no mention of the fact that Casey Sheehan re-enlisted in the military near the end of his tour (after the war in Iraq had started, and shortly before he was killed). He re-enlisted knowing that there was a good chance his unit would be called to go to Iraq.

I do know it was mentioned in this thread that Casey Sheehan was on a volunteer QRF mission when he was killed. So, seeing as he voluntarily re-enlisted, and voluntarily went on that mission, why can't Cindy Sheehan accept that? George Bush sent her son Casey nowhere, he volunteered to go.

Bush isn't responsible for the war. Congress is.

It's not an official warning. Just be careful you don't step over the line. People have been known to get a taste for danger. ;)
Understood.

*mission impossible theme plays*
Ah, Lalo Schifren. How different my life would be if he accompanied my RL exploits instead of just brushes with the rules here. *sigh*

I have a question. I've read this thread, and (unless I missed it), there's no mention of the fact that Casey Sheehan re-enlisted in the military near the end of his tour (after the war in Iraq had started, and shortly before he was killed). He re-enlisted knowing that there was a good chance his unit would be called to go to Iraq.

I do know it was mentioned in this thread that Casey Sheehan was on a volunteer QRF mission when he was killed. So, seeing as he voluntarily re-enlisted, and voluntarily went on that mission, why can't Cindy Sheehan accept that? George Bush sent her son Casey nowhere, he volunteered to go.
He re-enlisted because he was a good soldier and liked what he was doing. Nobody's questioning that Sheehan knew her son was effectively in danger by just being in the military. She's questioning the why of it, not the how, what or where.

Also, to me she seems to call all American soldiers in Iraq rapists and war criminals. That just pisses me off. She should stop blaming our soldiers.

Our own army seems to be arresting our soldiers for rape and murder. Perhaps she isn't too far off the mark?

Our own army seems to be arresting our soldiers for rape and murder. Perhaps she isn't too far off the mark?


Out of the hundreds of thousands that have served they are arresting those few...much less than in our general society at large.. that are criminals or have commited criminal acts...just like they do in the US to those that act the same way. The military being made up of those from our society..has commmited far less criminal acts than the society it is drawn from and is out protecting and serving. So I would have to say that the US military is made up of a much better class of individual than you will finfd in the US .

So if you are implying , that the ignorant ranting radical moron sheehan, is even close to being right when she says all the troops are rapist and crimals because of that... then I can only hope you one day can join the human race .
or at least the part that is objective and reasoned and uses logic .

So if you are implying , that the ignorant ranting radical moron sheehan, is even close to being right when she says all the troops are rapist and crimals


I call bs and demand a source with the full quote of her saying that.

So if you are implying , that the ignorant ranting radical moron sheehan, is even close to being right when she says all the troops are rapist and crimals because of that... then I can only hope you one day can join the human race .
or at least the part that is objective and reasoned and uses logic .

Yes. I'm being illogical.

You realise that Sheehan isn't really all THAT radical, right? And - highly probable, she appears to be somewhat removed from 'moron' level, also. And - considering her connection to the matter, one can assume she isn't all THAT 'ignorant'.

So - what we have, I suspect, is a complete failure on your part, to be objective.

As for ALL of our soldiers being rapists and morons... I'm not sure SHE ever said that... and I didn't say she did. I just pointed out that - if she HAS argued our army has rapists and murderers in it... she's apparently not far wrong.

Lacking objectivity... lack of logic... It seems ironic to me that the swords you attack me with seem so peculiarly double-edged.

Our own army seems to be arresting our soldiers for rape and murder. Perhaps she isn't too far off the mark?

the same exact soldiers (http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2006_07_02_patriotboy_archive.html#115200500884116499) the army recently said were keeping the streets safe, oddly enough.