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a common war on all that is rare,strange,privileged,the higher form of humanity,the higher soul,the higher duty,the higher responsibility, and the abundance of creative power

THEREFORE

The honorable term for mediocre is,or course, the word 'liberal'

a common war on all that is rare,strange,privileged,the higher form of humanity,the higher soul,the higher duty,the higher responsibility, and the abundance of creative power

THEREFORE

The honorable term for mediocre is,or course, the word 'liberal'
Hmmm. The most creative people I've ever known--and I know quite a few through my work and my field of study--are among the most liberal people around.

THEREFORE

I think you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

Hmmm. The most creative people I've ever known--and I know quite a few through my work and my field of study--are among the most liberal people around.

THEREFORE

I think you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

What you view as creative can be viewed as extremely dull and typical to others.

What you view as creative can be viewed as extremely dull and typical to others.



Amen to that!

a common war on all that is rare,strange,privileged,the higher form of humanity,the higher soul,the higher duty,the higher responsibility, and the abundance of creative power

THEREFORE

The honorable term for mediocre is,or course, the word 'liberal'
Maybe in the warped world called 'US politics' but in other parts of the world it's the exact opposite.

Yes, but the same goes for you Russia. Something you think is creative may also be utterly boring to someone else. That's the problem with judging things like creativity, it's subjective.

What you view as creative can be viewed as extremely dull and typical to others.I work in the creative arts. I'm a writer, and my degree is in the Fine Arts. My friends are accomplished poets and novelists, filmmakers, painters, sculptors, dancers and musicians. They range from the classically trained to the avant-garde. So what was that you were saying again?

a common war on all that is rare,strange,privileged,the higher form of humanity,the higher soul,the higher duty,the higher responsibility, and the abundance of creative power

THEREFORE

The honorable term for mediocre is,or course, the word 'liberal'

I'm Jimmyist. That means I think we should all get plastered, party, and basically forget about it until someone comes up with a better plan.

is that why they call it the conservative arts?

is that why they call it the conservative arts?
baZing!

I work in the creative arts. I'm a writer, and my degree is in the Fine Arts. My friends are accomplished poets and novelists, filmmakers, painters, sculptors, dancers and musicians. They range from the classically trained to the avant-garde. So what was that you were saying again?


I say there are millions of people like that in the world. Just a big crop of slightly more clever sheep amongst a bigger group of dull sheep.

True individuals are extremely rare and they certainly dont amount to millions.

I work in the creative arts. I'm a writer, and my degree is in the Fine Arts. My friends are accomplished poets and novelists, filmmakers, painters, sculptors, dancers and musicians. They range from the classically trained to the avant-garde. So what was that you were saying again?



name one famous poem, novel, movie, painting, sculpture and song they have done? What are their names? Are the famous? You said they are accomplished so they must be known to a fair degree.

This thread hurts my brain. not cool:gundge:

It's true, those damned liberals have no talent what so ever...

I mean what are Steven Spielburg, Robert Frost, James Taylor, Gore Vidal, Kathleen Turner, Robin Williams, Tom Hanks, Glenn Close and Woody Allen THINKING when they thought they had talent?

This thread hurts my brain. not cool:gundge:

You must be one of Nazz' "creative" friends.

name one famous poem, novel, movie, painting, sculpture and song they have done? What are their names? Are the famous? You said they are accomplished so they must be known to a fair degree.

Fame and accomplishment don't necessarily walk hand in hand. I am an accomplished musician and composer, but I am certainly not globally famous.

It's true, those damned liberals have no talent what so ever...

I mean what are Steven Spielburg, Robert Frost, James Taylor, Gore Vidal, Kathleen Turner, Robin Williams, Tom Hanks, Glenn Close and Woody Allen THINKING when they thought they had talent?


You think these people have talent because millions of idiots pay money to see their movies?

Their clever idiots who make money off of the other idiots.

You think these people have talent because millions of idiots pay money to see their movies?

Their clever idiots who make money off of the other idiots.
Just out of curiosity, assuming you consider yourself a conservative...

What have you done thats creative, oringinal, etc?

You think these people have talent because millions of idiots pay money to see their movies?

Their clever idiots who make money off of the other idiots.

I have never heard someone with more original comedy than Woody Allen.

You think these people have talent because millions of idiots pay money to see their movies?

Their clever idiots who make money off of the other idiots.

If we're going to get anywhere, you could at least tell us where you draw the line between idiot and individual.

Just out of curiosity, assuming you consider yourself a conservative...

What have you done thats creative, oringinal, etc?

I am not a conservative.

I am not a conservative.
What exactly are you then?

You must be one of Nazz' "creative" friends.
I like paste. Are you a communist?

What exactly are you then?
a communist

If we're going to get anywhere, you could at least tell us where you draw the line between idiot and individual.


Here are a few TRUE individuals.

socrates,william shakespeare,alexander the great,marcus aurelius,friedrich nietzsche,erwin rommel,josef stalin,hans ulrich rudel,edgar allen poe,richard wagner,ludwig van beethoven, etc

name one famous poem, novel, movie, painting, sculpture and song they have done? What are their names? Are the famous? You said they are accomplished so they must be known to a fair degree.
Okay. My uncle has been Willie Nelson's bass player for the past 35 years. I'm close friends with the poets W. S. DiPiero, Miller Williams, Eavan Boland, Susan Mitchell, and a host of lesser known (read younger) poets. I've been widely published myself. I'm good friends with the artists Walter Delaney and Stephanie Cunningham. I did a reading on C-SPAN with novelist Stephen Elliott, and am friends with the novelists Tobias Wolfe and John L'Heureux. I've met Bharati Mukherjee and John Coetzee, W. S. Merwin and Thom Gunn (before he died), and had lively conversations with Heather McHugh.

Drop enough names for you yet?

Here are a few TRUE individuals.

socrates,william shakespeare,alexander the great,marcus aurelius,friedrich nietzsche,erwin rommel,josef stalin,hans ulrich rudel,edgar allen poe,richard wagner,ludwig van beethoven, etc

What of Igor Stravinsky?

Here are a few TRUE individuals.

socrates,william shakespeare,alexander the great,marcus aurelius,friedrich nietzsche,erwin rommel,josef stalin,hans ulrich rudel,edgar allen poe,richard wagner,ludwig van beethoven, etc

Shakespeare was hardly individual.

Anyway, liberalism is merely the belief in rights. While you could call that conformatistic, it's merely a basis you can build further individualism off of.

Definition of Conservitivism

A war on progress, civil rights, and non- christians. But it supports many things like wars, Big Buissness fucking over the average guy, and random flame topics on NS forums.

What of Igor Stravinsky?

Of course him as well. I cant name EVERY single true individual though. So of course the list that I came up with is not in any sense complete.

Here are a few TRUE individuals.

socrates,william shakespeare,alexander the great,marcus aurelius,friedrich nietzsche,erwin rommel,josef stalin,hans ulrich rudel,edgar allen poe,richard wagner,ludwig van beethoven, etc

Well I would guess that you are a fascist from that list. Some exceptions (neither Socrates nor Shakespeare belong there, but you probably haven't read more than excerpts), but a very revealing list otherwise. You seem to associate individuals with the glorification of the state. Slight contradiction, but never mind.

Where are the real genii?
Aristotle, Cervantes, Kant, Rousseau, Mozart, Goethe, Da Vinci, Michaelangelo, Feynman, Witten, Pascal, Turing, Bohr, Newton, Bacon? (to name a few)

a common war on all that is rare,strange,privileged,the higher form of humanity,the higher soul,the higher duty,the higher responsibility, and the abundance of creative power

THEREFORE

The honorable term for mediocre is,or course, the word 'liberal'

I guess you have been reading Nietzsche.

To everyone else, this doesn't condemn liberals themselves, it condemns the "herd mentality" of liberalism in general, and the constraints it places on the human spirit, especially as characterized by the few great people in a society.

You think these people have talent because millions of idiots pay money to see their movies?

Their clever idiots who make money off of the other idiots.

Even here you mirror Nietzsche's ideas on masks, where true greatness is shrouded in misconceptions, and the most profound people aren't appreciated by their contemporaries.

Here are a few TRUE individuals.

socrates,william shakespeare,alexander the great,marcus aurelius,friedrich nietzsche,erwin rommel,josef stalin,hans ulrich rudel,edgar allen poe,richard wagner,ludwig van beethoven, etc

Did you just pick names out of a hat?

I guess you have been reading Nietzsche.

To everyone else, this doesn't condemn liberals themselves, it condemns the "herd mentality" of liberalism in general, and the constraints it places on the human spirit, especially as characterized by the few great people in a society.

If he has been reading Neitzsche he has misunderstood a lot, or why is he still concerned with what is the 'honourable' term?

Honour is one of the means by which the small man is rewarded, not a positive evaluative term.

Well I would guess that you are a fascist from that list.

that's what i was thinking

Yeah! Let's hurl personal insults at each other! Oh I know! You are liberal, therefore you like the NTY and hate freedom! Why do you hate freedom, why do you hate Amreica, dirty liberal? :upyours:

Conservative
adj 1: resistant to change 2: opposed to liberal reforms 3: avoiding excess; "a conservative estimate" 4: unimaginatively conventional

Think before you say something stupid. Just because someone chooses to identify with a political group doesn't mean much about their character. Their character is much more important, and much more intangible than politics. There are negatives on all parts of the political spectrum. I can't think to place creativity anywhere near the same place.

I guess you have been reading Nietzsche.

To everyone else, this doesn't condemn liberals themselves, it condemns the "herd mentality" of liberalism in general, and the constraints it places on the human spirit, especially as characterized by the few great people in a society.
"Herd Menality" comes with the concept of political parties, both herds are flawed, the conservatives (in office currently) don't know how to handle civil rights, and the liberals don't know how to develope a spine, they've been picking some pretty damn weak canidates since they picked Gore for presidential canidate, he wouldn't of been able to handle 9/11 or anything. IMHO the concept of liberalism is better, but you need a balance have the liberals handle civil rights and conservatives handle Noth Korea.

If he has been reading Neitzsche he has misunderstood a lot

that seems to happen a lot, though

The herd mentality of liberals?!?!?! You best be talking about across the pond, cause our American conservatives could teach you a thing or two about herd mentality, and goose-stepping.

a common war on all that is rare,strange,privileged,the higher form of humanity,the higher soul,the higher duty,the higher responsibility, and the abundance of creative power

THEREFORE

The honorable term for mediocre is,or course, the word 'liberal'

i understood none of your post..but o be kind,i am guilty of the same.

to answer your question?

liberals aint been mugged yet.

i forget who said it..if your not liberal when your young..you have no heart..if your not conservative when you grow up..your stupid.

but that is just my dumbass take..i am sure i am wrong...hahaha

If he has been reading Neitzsche he has misunderstood a lot, or why is he still concerned with what is the 'honourable' term?

Honour is one of the means by which the small man is rewarded, not a positive evaluative term.

I would not bet that he put this much thought into it, but perhaps he meant the "honourable term" in the slave mentality views liberalism: with esteem.

Although, I interpreted "honourable" to be synonymous with "noble", which is at the highest rank of Neitzsche's moralities, what one finds when one overcomes the self-denials of the "herd mentality."

"Herd Menality" comes with the concept of political parties, both herds are flawed, the conservatives (in office currently) don't know how to handle civil rights, and the liberals don't know how to develope a spine, they've been picking some pretty damn weak canidates since they picked Gore for presidential canidate, he wouldn't of been able to handle 9/11 or anything. IMHO the concept of liberalism is better, but you need a balance have the liberals handle civil rights and conservatives handle Noth Korea.

The herd mentality of liberals?!?!?! You best be talking about across the pond, cause our American conservatives could teach you a thing or two about herd mentality, and goose-stepping.

It has nothing to do with political parties, and very little to do with political orientation.

You think these people have talent because millions of idiots pay money to see their movies?

Their clever idiots who make money off of the other idiots.

Movies? Saying that just underlines either your unwillingness to read, or your ignorance of art.

I suggest looking up the names "Gore Vidal". Additionally while I said Robert Frost, I have no idea of his political leanings. I mean Robert Pinsky (sorry, I got my poet robert's confused).

While you're at that I also suggest looking up "Maya Angelou" as well. Tell me if any of those three have ever made a movie.

And while you're calling people idiots, may I be so bold as to say, IT'S THEY'RE YOU DUMB ASS

I would not bet that he put this much thought into it, but perhaps he meant the "honourable term" in the slave mentality views liberalism: with esteem.

Although, I interpreted "honourable" to be synonymous with "noble", which is at the highest rank of Neitzsche's moralities, what one finds when one overcomes the self-denials of the "herd mentality."

in school much?


the real world works a bit different

I would not bet that he put this much thought into it, but perhaps he meant the "honourable term" in the slave mentality views liberalism: with esteem.

Although, I interpreted "honourable" to be synonymous with "noble", which is at the highest rank of Neitzsche's moralities, what one finds when one overcomes the self-denials of the "herd mentality."

But the nobility that Neitzsche is referring to is independent of honour. Honour is the esteem that others have for you, which the truly great individual neither needs nor are they concerned for it. Nobility comes from your internal spirit, your will to power, not from the fawning adoration of the sheep around you.

While one can interpret honourable to be noble, I don't see this as being possible within the Neitzschean framework, but I may be wrong. (Neitzsche is not my speciality.)

Here are a few TRUE individuals.

socrates,william shakespeare,alexander the great,marcus aurelius,friedrich nietzsche,erwin rommel,josef stalin,hans ulrich rudel,edgar allen poe,richard wagner,ludwig van beethoven, etc
Shakespeare wrote (iirc) 3 original storylines out of all of his plays. Every other story is taken from something that had already existed.
additionally, while you sit there and claim that Nazz's definition of individuals is subjective, you might want to realize that applies to your original claim as well.

Russia, you forgot to add Hitler to the true individuals.

in school much?


the real world works a bit different

I wasted my schooling on weed, alcohol, sex, and video games. It is only since I started working that I have become interested in such topics.

You would be surprised at how insightful Nietzsche was, many of his ideas were precursors to modern psychology.

It has nothing to do with political parties, and very little to do with political orientation.
I'm using parties as an example, There's two masses of people that use one of the two opposing concepts; that represents The current state of liberalism and the current state of conserativism. The topic's about liberalism as a whole.

But the nobility that Neitzsche is referring to is independent of honour. Honour is the esteem that others have for you, which the truly great individual neither needs nor are they concerned for it. Nobility comes from your internal spirit, your will to power, not from the fawning adoration of the sheep around you.

While one can interpret honourable to be noble, I don't see this as being possible within the Neitzschean framework, but I may be wrong. (Neitzsche is not my speciality.)

That seems correct, the problem appears to be in my definition of honourable.

That seems correct, the problem appears to be in my definition of honourable.

Don't worry too much about it. It was only a further point to illustrate that the OP really hasn't understood the works of the 'individuals' that he is praising.
Neitzsche does work in counter intuitive ways, and the dissociation between nobility and honour is one of these strange results.

I'm using parties as an example, There's two masses of people that use one of the two opposing concepts; that represents The current state of liberalism and the current state of conserativism. The topic's about liberalism as a whole.

Nietzsche would consider both camps as self-deceivers (and necessary for the progression of society, especially the most profound of society), but he would despise how liberalism and christianity have combined to invert his rank of moralities, by placing the servant mentality on top.

In other words, democracy, egalitarian ideals, and the martyrdom of christian morality have placed extreme burdens for a profound person to overcome.

I'll tell you what. When a majority of the best violinists I know tell me that they're conservative, I might beleive you. They don't (in fact the majority of professional musicians are liberals), and so I'm gonna ignore the false hypothesis.

Out of curiosity, what do you think of "The Grapes of Wrath"? Was it written by an idiot with herd mentality?

...an instance of the deprivation of intelligent arguing... Anyone who finds it conducive or credible to simply use the word "liberal" in order to discredit his or her opponents is indeed someone with extremely little mental prowess or creativity, or afraid of attempting to achieve either.

THEREFORE

The honorable phrase for mediocre is, of course, "those who label their opponents 'liberals' without any regard for details in opinions or arguments."

Don't worry too much about it. It was only a further point to illustrate that the OP really hasn't understood the works of the 'individuals' that he is praising.
Neitzsche does work in counter intuitive ways, and the dissociation between nobility and honour is one of these strange results.

Neitzshce seemed to want to prove his idea of masked profundity with his own work.

is that why they call it the conservative arts?

Damn you!

I wanted to say that!

I'm using parties as an example, There's two masses of people that use one of the two opposing concepts; that represents The current state of liberalism and the current state of conserativism. The topic's about liberalism as a whole.

What about Jimmyism?

i forget who said it..if your not liberal when your young..you have no heart..if your not conservative when you grow up..your stupid.
Just checked, and apparently that's Winston Churchill:
Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.

Which surprised me. i always thought it to be George Bernard Shaw, for some reason.

Speaking of Shaw, reading ---Russia----'s posts reminds me of something that great man (though no doubt ---Russia---- view's Shaw as an idiot :rolleyes:) once said:
A fool's brain digests philosophy into folly, science into superstition, and art into pedantry.

Nietzsche would consider both camps as self-deceivers (and necessary for the progression of society, especially the most profound of society), but he would despise how liberalism and christianity have combined to invert his rank of moralities, by placing the servant mentality on top.

In other words, democracy, egalitarian ideals, and the martyrdom of christian morality have placed extreme burdens for a profound person to overcome.
Yes, religon gets in the way of making that utopia we all want but the discussion isn't about that.

Yes, religon gets in the way of making that utopia we all want but the discussion isn't about that.

In Neitzsche's philosophy, liberalism is easily categorized with christianity.

...a instance of the deprivation of intelligent arguing... Anyone who finds it conducive or credible to simply use the word "liberal" in order to discredit his or her opponents is indeed someone with extremely little mental prowess or creativity, or afraid of attempting to achieve either.

THEREFORE

The honorable phrase for mediocre is, of course, "those who label their opponents 'liberals' without any regard for details in opinions or arguments."
And what about those who label their opponets 'conservative' without any regard for details in opinions or arguments?

"People like you preach tolerance and open-mindedness all the time, but when it comes to Middle America, you think we're all evil and stupid country yokels who need your political enlightenment"

In Neitzsche's philosophy, liberalism is easily categorized with christianity.
I'm not familar with Neitzsche's philosophy on this, please explain it.

Liberals are evil satanic terrorists who hate Jesus and freedom. The only way to eradicate these communist filth is to elect our noble president, George W Bush, to a third term as leader of the free world and the war on terror. Thank God for his divinely inspired leadership, may he soon rid the world of all atheist homosexual Muslim terrorist liberals!

I'm not familar with Neitzsche's philosophy on this, please explain it.
Read Ecce Homo.

"Herd Menality" comes with the concept of political parties, both herds are flawed, the conservatives (in office currently) don't know how to handle civil rights, and the liberals don't know how to develope a spine, they've been picking some pretty damn weak canidates since they picked Gore for presidential canidate, he wouldn't of been able to handle 9/11 or anything. IMHO the concept of liberalism is better, but you need a balance have the liberals handle civil rights and conservatives handle Noth Korea.

dude, the conservatives in office arent real conservatives. real conservatives dont like big government, like bush does. real conservatives dont stick their noses in other peoples buisness.

dude, the conservatives in office arent real conservatives. real conservatives dont like big government, like bush does. real conservatives dont stick their noses in other peoples buisness.
EXACTLY! WEWT! When anyone gets in power, it doesn't matter who they were before. They will do anything to keep what they have taken.

Liberals are evil satanic terrorists who hate Jesus and freedom. The only way to eradicate these communist filth is to elect our noble president, George W Bush, to a third term as leader of the free world and the war on terror. Thank God for his divinely inspired leadership, may he soon rid the world of all atheist homosexual Muslim terrorist liberals!

LMAO!

How could you say it better?

And what about those who label their opponets 'conservative' without any regard for details in opinions or arguments?

"People like you preach tolerance and open-mindedness all the time, but when it comes to Middle America, you think we're all evil and stupid country yokels who need your political enlightenment"

HOLY SHIT I JUST HEARD THAT ON SOUTH PARK WHILE I WAS READING THIS!!! FAR OUT!!!

HOLY SHIT I JUST HEARD THAT ON SOUTH PARK WHILE I WAS READING THIS!!! FAR OUT!!!
Let me guess: 23?

dude, the conservatives in office arent real conservatives. real conservatives dont like big government, like bush does. real conservatives dont stick their noses in other peoples buisness.
But these are the elected conservatives, the ones that the voters seem to agree with.

And what about those who label their opponets 'conservative' without any regard for details in opinions or arguments?

"People like you preach tolerance and open-mindedness all the time, but when it comes to Middle America, you think we're all evil and stupid country yokels who need your political enlightenment"
And yet that has nothing to do with this topic, which is about using "liberalism" as a curse word of sorts...

And while I hate to get into this, the word "conservative" is not used like a term of spite like "liberal" is in today's political world. Not even close. An uncountable amount of pundits, politicians, and just everyday people who suscribe to the conservative ideology use the word "liberal" as a euphemism for "bad dog!" Liberals do not even begin to compare in their usage of the word "conservative."

I dare you to find me one example of a prominent liberal who spits out the word "conservative" like a conservative would "liberal."

But these are the elected conservatives, the ones that the voters seem to agree with.

wasnt much of a choice. a big government conservative is better than a liberal. at least hes putting the hurt on the terrorists.

wasnt much of a choice. a big government conservative is better than a liberal. at least hes putting the hurt on the terrorists.
Both of the parties have to get fucking organized.

I'm not familar with Neitzsche's philosophy on this, please explain it.

I would not be fair to Neitzsche, your best bet is to consult a summary by a professional philosopher, rather than an amateur.

By my interpretation, Nietzsche felt that greatness came with the power to overcome others and eventually oneself. However, this greatness carries danger, and the higher one gets, the more danger one faces.

What christianity and liberalism represent are the servant moralities that the weak institute to justify their aversion to that danger, and by extension their denial of themselves.

I would not say that Nietzsche would disapprove of all liberalism, however.

Both of the parties have to get fucking organized.
Both of the parties need to be f***ing abolished. It's time we got some libertarians in office.

Read Ecce Homo.

Actually, Beyond Good and Evil and On the Genealogy of Morals would be more appropriate for this topic.

Both of the parties need to be f***ing abolished. It's time we got some libertarians in office.

lol HELLZ YEAH!

Both of the parties need to be f***ing abolished. It's time we got some libertarians in office.

We should abolish the government and just party for the rest of our lives. Import beer from other places if we run out. I'm not buying, though.

I would not be fair to Neitzsche, your best bet is to consult a summary by a professional philosopher, rather than an amateur.

By my interpretation, Nietzsche felt that greatness came with the power to overcome others and eventually oneself. However, this greatness carries danger, and the higher one gets, the more danger one faces.

What christianity and liberalism represent are the servant moralities that the weak institute to justify their aversion to that danger, and by extension their denial of themselves.

I would not say that Nietzsche would disapprove of all liberalism, however.
I really wouldn't agree with this, I get where he's coming from but it seems flawed. Christianity only justify it's own actions, christianity is imo repressive of basic human nature. However on liberalism as a servant morality makes sense in makes more sense, because it's in favor of giving more legal leeway to get away with (pot legalisation and abortion is something that comes to mind, but I'm not sure where I stand on either of these) but as opposed to Facism liberalism isn't a servant morality, it's a desire for freedom. So he's right to a degree.

Liberals are evil satanic terrorists who hate Jesus and freedom. The only way to eradicate these communist filth is to elect our noble president, George W Bush, to a third term as leader of the free world and the war on terror. Thank God for his divinely inspired leadership, may he soon rid the world of all atheist homosexual Muslim terrorist liberals!

AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!!!

Okay. My uncle has been Willie Nelson's bass player for the past 35 years. I'm close friends with the poets W. S. DiPiero, Miller Williams, Eavan Boland, Susan Mitchell, and a host of lesser known (read younger) poets. I've been widely published myself. I'm good friends with the artists Walter Delaney and Stephanie Cunningham. I did a reading on C-SPAN with novelist Stephen Elliott, and am friends with the novelists Tobias Wolfe and John L'Heureux. I've met Bharati Mukherjee and John Coetzee, W. S. Merwin and Thom Gunn (before he died), and had lively conversations with Heather McHugh.

Drop enough names for you yet?

Sheesh. Name-dropper. :)

Both of the parties need to be f***ing abolished. It's time we got some libertarians in office.

It's nice to spout angry, unrealistic ideals on an Internet forum. :p

Hmmm. The most creative people I've ever known--and I know quite a few through my work and my field of study--are among the most liberal people around.

THEREFORE

I think you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.


Sounds to me like he's copy/pasting nietzsche.

One cartoon deserves another:
http://radicalgraphics.org/albums/America/american_homogenization.sized.jpg

Sounds to me like he's copy/pasting nietzsche.

I like Neitzsche...poor guy went crazy due to a disease usually thought of as an STD, even though no one knew how he got it because he was very much rumoured to be a virgin.
That just...sucks. I mean come on. Poor guy.
He did love horses though...haha.

Anyway. This thread is stupid. I just had to comment about that.

Okay. My uncle has been Willie Nelson's bass player for the past 35 years. I'm close friends with the poets W. S. DiPiero, Miller Williams, Eavan Boland, Susan Mitchell, and a host of lesser known (read younger) poets. I've been widely published myself. I'm good friends with the artists Walter Delaney and Stephanie Cunningham. I did a reading on C-SPAN with novelist Stephen Elliott, and am friends with the novelists Tobias Wolfe and John L'Heureux. I've met Bharati Mukherjee and John Coetzee, W. S. Merwin and Thom Gunn (before he died), and had lively conversations with Heather McHugh.

Drop enough names for you yet?

I was worried that you might do this thing. Please dont anymore.