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I think we're seeing the start up of World War III. Iran is making Nuclear weapons, wanting to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Bush is occupying two countries, and N. Korea launch missiles towards Russia, Japan and the Sea of Japan. Even though the were just test launch, it's still a hostile gesture. I always knew WW III would be started by two nutjobs and an idiot. Luckily, I have a bomb shelter that'll protect me from a Nuclear fall out and can substain life long after I'm dead. So, what do yall think, are we seeing WW III shaping up?

I think we're seeing the start up of World War III. Iran is making Nuclear weapons, wanting to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Bush is occupying two countries, and N. Korea launch missiles towards Russia, Japan and the Sea of Japan. Even though the were just test launch, it's still a hostile gesture. I always knew WW III would be started by two nutjobs and an idiot. Luckily, I have a bomb shelter that'll protect me from a Nuclear fall out and can substain life long after I'm dead. So, what do yall think, are we seeing WW III shaping up?

You do?

Do tell more. I've been trying to find some descriptions of modern shelters, but I have yet to find one.

Do you have hard currency for when anarchy comes?

I think we're seeing the start up of World War III. Iran is making Nuclear weapons, wanting to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Bush is occupying two countries, and N. Korea launch missiles towards Russia, Japan and the Sea of Japan. Even though the were just test launch, it's still a hostile gesture. I always knew WW III would be started by two nutjobs and an idiot. Luckily, I have a bomb shelter that'll protect me from a Nuclear fall out and can substain life long after I'm dead. So, what do yall think, are we seeing WW III shaping up?

Not really, no.

It'll take more skirmishes than this to get all the swords swinging in one arena.

If there is no WWIII by the end of 2008, there will most likely not be one soon. Besides, the UN was made to stop wars from happening.

What? The more countries with nuclear weapons the more peaceful the world become. Ever heard of MAD?

Yea, we need another one anyway.

I think we're seeing the start up of World War III. Iran is making Nuclear weapons, wanting to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Bush is occupying two countries, and N. Korea launch missiles towards Russia, Japan and the Sea of Japan. Even though the were just test launch, it's still a hostile gesture. I always knew WW III would be started by two nutjobs and an idiot. Luckily, I have a bomb shelter that'll protect me from a Nuclear fall out and can substain life long after I'm dead. So, what do yall think, are we seeing WW III shaping up?

To me, the question is what will happen as a result of World War III, because to me the war seems pretty inevitable.

Golden age of humanity after most people are wiped out? Return of Christ? Nuclear holocaust? Or just another war?

If there is no WWIII by the end of 2008, there will most likely not be one soon. Besides, the UN was made to stop wars from happening.

Yea, umm, have you actually seen how many Wars it actually stopped?

Yea, umm, have you actually seen how many Wars it actually stopped?

They suck, but not enough to be unable to stop WWIII.

You do?

Do tell more. I've been trying to find some descriptions of modern shelters, but I have yet to find one.

Do you have hard currency for when anarchy comes?

The shelter is two miles deep, surrounded by 1/2 mile of lead (protection from radiation) and 1/2 mile of steel. I'll have a renewable water source in it, and it's powered by our own little Nuclear power source that is outside the cube. I will have a small farm on it where I can raise meat to eat! :D

They suck, but not enough to be unable to stop WWIII.

Umm, the leaders of Iran and N. Korea, yea umm, they're nutjobs, logic and reasons have left their brains a looonnngggg time ago.

The shelter is two miles deep, surrounded by 1/2 mile of lead (protection from radiation) and 1/2 mile of steel. I'll have a renewable water source in it, and it's powered by our own little Nuclear power source that is outside the cube. I will have a small farm on it where I can raise meat to eat! :D

Sounds like Bill Gates' shelter.

And you don't need an underground shelter to protect from fallout, BTW.

The shelter is two miles deep, surrounded by 1/2 mile of lead (protection from radiation) and 1/2 mile of steel. I'll have a renewable water source in it, and it's powered by our own little Nuclear power source that is outside the cube. I will have a small farm on it where I can raise meat to eat! :D

Your shelter will be raided by......ummm raiders.

AND YOU WILL DIE :cool:


:mp5: :mp5: :sniper: :mp5:

Umm, the leaders of Iran and N. Korea, yea umm, they're nutjobs, logic and reasons have left their brains a looonnngggg time ago.
Come again? North Korea, maybe, as he inherited the position, but Iran? That guy makes a lot of sense.

Your shelter will be raided by......ummm raiders.

AND YOU WILL DIE :cool:


:mp5: :mp5: :sniper: :mp5:
Maybe.
How close is he to Oakland?

Sounds like Bill Gates' shelter.

And you don't need an underground shelter to protect from fallout, BTW.

Yea, but I'm selfish, don't want other people finding it and knocking on my door. I only allow my immediate family my brother's wife and her immediate family, and my girlfriend, her sister and her parents in, finally the cats and dogs of the families I'm allowing in. Everyone else is on their own.

Umm, the leaders of Iran and N. Korea, yea umm, they're nutjobs, logic and reasons have left their brains a looonnngggg time ago.

I think N. Korea is smart enough to know they'll be completely wiped off the face of the Earth if they attack anyone with nukes.

Come again? North Korea, maybe, as he inherited the position, but Iran? That guy makes a lot of sense.

I really hope you're kidding....

I think N. Korea is smart enough to know they'll be completely wiped off the face of the Earth if they attack anyone with nukes.

Ehh not nessicarlly, they'll probably have China's backing.

Yea, but I'm selfish, don't want other people finding it and knocking on my door. I only allow my immediate family my brother's wife and her immediate family, and my girlfriend, her sister and her parents in, finally the cats and dogs of the families I'm allowing in. Everyone else is on their own.
Can I come? I'll bring a dish to pass!

Yea, but I'm selfish, don't want other people finding it and knocking on my door. I only allow my immediate family my brother's wife and her immediate family, and my girlfriend, her sister and her parents in, finally the cats and dogs of the families I'm allowing in. Everyone else is on their own.
Sounds like your future world will be an inbred one...
Best to just let random stranger in.

Can I come? I'll bring a dish to pass!

Ok, but if meat gets low, you're first to go.

Ehh not nessicarlly, they'll probably have China's backing.

The PRC is getting mighty perturbed about the antics of their little pet.

Maybe.
How close is he to Oakland?

Very close. :eek:

Sounds like your future world will be an inbred one...
Best to just let random stranger in.

But I love my family and girlfriend's family! I don't really care about anyone else! :P

Sounds like your future world will be an inbred one...
Best to just let random stranger in.

Like me? :)

Ok, but if meat gets low, you're first to go.

Well, you have a farm, and plenty of stored stuff. We'll be fine. It'll be safe in 2 weeks, max.

I really hope you're kidding....
Read some interviews with him or his letter to Bush. Very reasonable. I don’t agree with many of the things he said, but that doesn’t make him crazy.

The PRC is getting mighty perturbed about the antics of their little pet.

and yet, while Japan and USA wants sanctions, Russia and China don't want sanctions. If China wants to prevent a War, they better pull on the leash a little bit. I can see USA actually cutting off trading with China if they don't bring their pet in a little bit.

Read some interviews with him or his letter to Bush. Very reasonable. I don’t agree with many of the things he said, but that doesn’t make him crazy.

You do realize he's only saying that so we'll stop our efforts to prevent him from getting Nuclear capabilities right? Please tell me you're not that gulliable.

Well, you have a farm, and plenty of stored stuff. We'll be fine. It'll be safe in 2 weeks, max.

Well ok, but you have to sleep in the barn.

and yet, while Japan and USA wants sanctions, Russia and China don't want sanctions. If China wants to prevent a War, they better pull on the leash a little bit. I can see USA actually cutting off trading with China if they don't bring their pet in a little bit.

Right, and put the American (and PRCian) economy in the crapper?

Well ok, but you have to sleep in the barn.
I'll bring my sleeping bag and condoms.

Ehh not nessicarlly, they'll probably have China's backing.

I doubt it. China would lose a lot of trade partners if it were to have N. Korea's back.

Right, and put the American (and PRCian) economy in the crapper?

Actually, I believe USA will fair better than China without the trade agreement.

Actually, I believe USA will fair better than China without the trade agreement.

Have you ever been to Walmart?

Honestly, the guy is completely insane, calling for the complete and utter destruction of Israel and western ideas. Plus, he should give up the idea of making nukes, all that will happen is his own people will get hurt, just more poverty, and bloodshed. Nothing good can come out of this. These radical religious government need to start thinking about THEIR CITIZENS rather than themselves.

You do realize he's only saying that so we'll stop our efforts to prevent him from getting Nuclear capabilities right? Please tell me you're not that gulliable.
He hasn't ever lied about his beliefs, and many of them are quite east to vilify, but that doesn't mean he has come to them irrationally.

Actually, I believe USA will fair better than China without the trade agreement.

Perhaps, but an embargo would still hurt the economy. The DPRK is pretty much acting on it's own now.

1) What the hell does NK care if they get nuked, their country is starving and living in poverty as it is, better yet, what will sactions do for the same reason.

2) China needs the US and the US needs China so i dont think trading will be stopped.

3) Near Oakland? NK is crazy but i doubt theyll be sending a nuke to Oakland

4) WWIII isnt coming, or at least wouldnt last long. China and Russia wouldnt come to the aid of NK so they wouldnt stand a chance and as well saw NK still doesnt have misslies that can make it to US yet...or at least lets hope.

To me, the question is what will happen as a result of World War III, because to me the war seems pretty inevitable.

Golden age of humanity after most people are wiped out? Return of Christ? Nuclear holocaust? Or just another war?

Doomsday. Roaches rule the world. Somebody grab the popcorn, I for one, am honored to have a front row seat to the end of the world.

I'll bring my sleeping bag and condoms.

ok, but sleep with my girlfriend and you're outside the cube!

Have you ever been to Walmart?

Actually, no. I haven't. :D . Still buy lots of Chinese-made goods, though. Like my American flag t-shirt.

Honestly, the Iranian prez is completely insane, calling for the complete and utter destruction of Israel and western ideas. Plus, he should give up the idea of making nukes, all that will happen is his own people will get hurt, just more poverty, and bloodshed. Nothing good can come out of this. These radical religious government need to start thinking about THEIR CITIZENS rather than themselves.

3) Near Oakland? NK is crazy but i doubt theyll be sending a nuke to Oakland


Their nukes can only reach Alaska.

1) What the hell does NK care if they get nuked, their country is starving and living in poverty as it is, better yet, what will sactions do for the same reason.

2) China needs the US and the US needs China so i dont think trading will be stopped.

3) Near Oakland? NK is crazy but i doubt theyll be sending a nuke to Oakland

4) WWIII isnt coming, or at least wouldnt last long. China and Russia wouldnt come to the aid of NK so they wouldnt stand a chance and as well saw NK still doesnt have misslies that can make it to US yet...or at least lets hope.

and what about Iran?

Honestly, the Iranian president is completely insane, calling for the complete and utter destruction of Israel and western ideas. Plus, he should give up the idea of making nukes, all that will happen is his own people will get hurt, just more poverty, and bloodshed. Nothing good can come out of this. These radical religious government need to start thinking about THEIR CITIZENS rather than themselves.

3) Near Oakland? NK is crazy but i doubt theyll be sending a nuke to Oakland
*sigh*
It was said that his shelter would be raided, byr raides. Oakland is home to an American football team called, you guessed it, the Raiders. Thus, the humor.

What about them? They dont even have Nukes yet let along launch capabilites, at least i dont think they do. Plus they arnt the biggest trading nation on the planet so i doubt that well come into affect.

Besides, even if they do start to seriously get out of hand Isreal wouldnt take the chance and would roll them up nice and easy like with our backing.

Their nukes can only reach Alaska.

What the hell is there to nuke in Alaska?

ok, but sleep with my girlfriend and you're outside the cube!

It's a cube?

Jolly Phallic.

Their nukes can only reach Alaska.

Badly. I doubt it would make it there. The major problem is if they try to attack South Korea or Japan. I dont know why they would, but after all, its NK, we never know.

The biggest threat by far is America. I'm scared for my life that Bush has his finger on the bomb. We really need progressive policies in America because of all the oppression America has brought since it was founded.

I wish America never existed and that we had embraced a more social world when we had the chance. Even though the Soviets were bad, I think the wrong side won the Cold War. Because no matter what you say about the Soviet system, at least everyone had healthcare.

What the hell is there to nuke in Alaska?

Eskimos. is it os or oes at the end? That and polar bears

Because no matter what you say about the Soviet system, at least everyone had healthcare.
And Hitler made the trains run on time.

The biggest threat by far is America. I'm scared for my life that Bush has his finger on the bomb. We really need progressive policies in America because of all the oppression America has brought since it was founded.

I wish America never existed and that we had embraced a more social world when we had the chance. Even though the Soviets were bad, I think the wrong side won the Cold War. Because no matter what you say about the Soviet system, at least everyone had healthcare.
Oppression? I believe that we covered that in the bill of rights (remember the people elect the idiots). if u r refering to the rest of the world i do believe that there are several countries the have said thank you to the US for saving their butts. and as for the healthcare bit nothing in life is free u have to earn what u get.

Oppression? I believe that we covered that in the bill of rights (remember the people elect the idiots). if u r refering to the rest of the world i do believe that there are several countries the have said thank you to the US for saving their butts. and as for the healthcare bit nothing in life is free u have to earn what u get.

I believe free samples are free.

I think we're seeing the start up of World War III. Iran is making Nuclear weapons, wanting to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Bush is occupying two countries, and N. Korea launch missiles towards Russia, Japan and the Sea of Japan. Even though the were just test launch, it's still a hostile gesture. I always knew WW III would be started by two nutjobs and an idiot. Luckily, I have a bomb shelter that'll protect me from a Nuclear fall out and can substain life long after I'm dead. So, what do yall think, are we seeing WW III shaping up?

Nope. World War III will not be started till the due time. I do not believe we are nearing World War III at this point though a case can be made that we are involved in WW III already or possibly even WW IV.

I believe free samples are free.

Nah, thats just a lie that the bourgeoisie uses to oppress the proletariat.

Somehow. :confused:

If there is no WWIII by the end of 2008, there will most likely not be one soon. Besides, the UN was made to stop wars from happening.

And just like the league of nations, it failed in that regard.

They suck, but not enough to be unable to stop WWIII.

care to place a bet on that?

And just like the league of nations, it failed in that regard.
quite right

care to place a bet on that?
i wager everything against the un stopping a major war

Come again? North Korea, maybe, as he inherited the position, but Iran? That guy makes a lot of sense.

What? That Israel should be destroyed? Not like Israel is going to be destroyed anyway but he really is a nutjob.

If there is no WWIII by the end of 2008, there will most likely not be one soon. Besides, the UN was made to stop wars from happening.

the un..lol...please stop before i laugh into a coma..actually a coma would be nice..hmm

Oppression? I believe that we covered that in the bill of rights (remember the people elect the idiots). if u r refering to the rest of the world i do believe that there are several countries the have said thank you to the US for saving their butts. and as for the healthcare bit nothing in life is free u have to earn what u get.

There is still quite a bit of oppression in contemporary America. Most people are just blind to it due to their said religious tennants or misheld egotistical beliefs in what is right, just, moral, and ethical.

Ehh not nessicarlly, they'll probably have China's backing.

Doubtful. China is just as nervous as Russia, Japan, South Korea, and the US.

Honestly, the guy is completely insane, calling for the complete and utter destruction of Israel and western ideas. Plus, he should give up the idea of making nukes, all that will happen is his own people will get hurt, just more poverty, and bloodshed. Nothing good can come out of this. These radical religious government need to start thinking about THEIR CITIZENS rather than themselves.

what a novel idea....but i beg you to check history for any religous group giving 2 shits about the "people"

maybe the quakers...but i bet they dont have the ear(pac money) of the people in charge.

religion is the downfall of us all...and i am kinda spiritual..go figure.

There is still quite a bit of oppression in contemporary America. Most people are just blind to it due to their said religious tennants or misheld egotistical beliefs in what is right, just, moral, and ethical.
I admit that it is there but it is much less sever than in most countries. last time i checked cartoonist werent being threatened with death over a cartoon
and people actually have a choice about which box to check in november

What? That Israel should be destroyed? Not like Israel is going to be destroyed anyway but he really is a nutjob.

The Isrelis are being assholes right now, especially with the air strikes on palestine as of late, but thats no reason to turn their country into a glass factory. Nomatter where you go, nomatter who you meet and where they're from, you cannot judge all based on that. Theres good people everywhere, and bad as well. It's basically all the same everywhere in the world I think, it just seems as if it is of a differing degree because firstly, we are not present in the society at the time, roaming with the common people, and secondly, we have an idealistic view of our own society, and judge others relative to ours. Nothing says that said country does everything right, and none does.

If there is no WWIII by the end of 2008, there will most likely not be one soon. Besides, the UN was made to stop wars from happening.

UN doesn't really do much in the way of preventing wars.

4) WWIII isnt coming, or at least wouldnt last long. China and Russia wouldnt come to the aid of NK so they wouldnt stand a chance and as well saw NK still doesnt have misslies that can make it to US yet...or at least lets hope.

They do have a missile that can reach the West Coast of the United States. Luckily, the missile failed 35 seconds later.

The Isrelis are being assholes right now, especially with the air strikes on palestine as of late...
i believe that the palistenians are the ones that kidnapped the soldier. all they had to do is hand him over

I admit that it is there but it is much less sever than in most countries. last time i checked cartoonist werent being threatened with death over a cartoon
and people actually have a choice about which box to check in november

This is true, we are much more politically free here in America than some other places, but I would not base our level of freedom in our society on theirs, nor visa versa. 1984.

The Isrelis are being assholes right now, especially with the air strikes on palestine as of late, but thats no reason to turn their country into a glass factory. Nomatter where you go, nomatter who you meet and where they're from, you cannot judge all based on that. Theres good people everywhere, and bad as well. It's basically all the same everywhere in the world I think, it just seems as if it is of a differing degree because firstly, we are not present in the society at the time, roaming with the common people, and secondly, we have an idealistic view of our own society, and judge others relative to ours. Nothing says that said country does everything right, and none does.

They are going to be assholes when their soldiers and civilians are kidnapped by militants linked and approved of by the PA gov't.

What about them? They dont even have Nukes yet let along launch capabilites, at least i dont think they do. Plus they arnt the biggest trading nation on the planet so i doubt that well come into affect.

Besides, even if they do start to seriously get out of hand Isreal wouldnt take the chance and would roll them up nice and easy like with our backing.

You really do not follow the news much do you? They have the missiles that can carry them and the launching mechanisms. What Iran don't have is the nukes themselves.

This is true, we are much more politically free here in America than some other places, but I would not base our level of freedom in our society on theirs, nor visa versa. 1984.
then how do you judge our system. in order to judge u must have something to compare to. no system is or will ever be perfect based on the inharent flaws of the human being

i believe that the palistenians are the ones that kidnapped the soldier. all they had to do is hand him over

Palestine kidnapped the solider in retaliation to Isreal's refusal to release Palestein's civilian women and children from their jails. Isreal stated that they have no intentions of harming said people, however, how would the US react if we were in such a position? I know what I'd do if some other country was holding my wife and children in a shitty ass jail.

then how do you judge our system. in order to judge u must have something to compare to. no system is or will ever be perfect based on the inharent flaws of the human being

Exactly my point.

Exactly my point.
what point? that anything but perfection isnt good enough?

Palestine kidnapped the solider in retaliation to Isreal's refusal to release Palestein's civilian women and children from their jails. Isreal stated that they have no intentions of harming said people, however, how would the US react if we were in such a position? I know what I'd do if some other country was holding my wife and children in a shitty ass jail.
could u provide the reason that they are being held?

Palestine kidnapped the solider in retaliation to Isreal's refusal to release Palestein's civilian women and children from their jails. Isreal stated that they have no intentions of harming said people, however, how would the US react if we were in such a position? I know what I'd do if some other country was holding my wife and children in a shitty ass jail.

We wouldn't be releasing prisoners either. Israel has been under constant attack and they finally have had enough. To bad they didn't just go in and take out the entire Hamas leadership.

I believe free samples are free.


Actually I do not think free samples are trully free, because either way you buy something. You either like the sample and buy some more. Or, you think the sample tastes like shit, and you are like" Fuck, that tasted like shit, now I need to buy some coke to get the taste outta my mouth."

I believe free samples are free.


Actually I do not think free samples are trully free, because either way you buy something. You either like the sample and buy some more. Or, you think the sample tastes like shit, and you are like" Fuck, that tasted like shit, now I need to buy some coke to get the taste outta my mouth."

Palestine kidnapped the solider in retaliation to Isreal's refusal to release Palestein's civilian women and children from their jails. Isreal stated that they have no intentions of harming said people, however, how would the US react if we were in such a position? I know what I'd do if some other country was holding my wife and children in a shitty ass jail.

We wouldn't be releasing prisoners either. Israel has been under constant attack and they finally have had enough. To bad they didn't just go in and take out the entire Hamas leadership.

And blowing yourself up is not the answer to the problem.

I hope there is a WW3. It would give me something to watch on the tele. And no, Im not joking.

Iran and N. Korea ain't gonna do shit.

First off, North Korea's missile launch failed miserably. Second, if they were really planning on using nuclear weapons offensively, why would they even come out and announce that they have them? The only reason any country develops nukes these days is for defense purposes, so no one can attack them. Remember when it first came out that they had 'em? There was a big uproar then too. I said the same thing then that I'm saying now. Third, China is acting in their own best interests. I've heard a lot of speculation that, after the failed test launch, China and Russia's support may waver a bit. They don't need the US, but having our trade can only help them, not hurt them. If we push enough, they'll cave.

And as far as Iran goes, it's pretty much the same thing. For one thing, how do we know they're not just developing nuclear power for energy? Also, the mullahs are in charge over there, not Ahmadinejad, and they may be extremists, but they also want to stay in power. Crazy =/= stupid. Quite the opposite, in many cases, in fact. If they launch nuclear weapons against Israel, Israel will single-handedly destroy them. You're talking about a country who, when attacked not long after being formed by most of the Arab nations, not only defeated them, but took some of their land. We have no reason to worry about Israel. Also, Iranians aren't Arab, they're Persian, and, as Shiites, they would be considered heretics by most Muslims in the Middle East (the majority denomination in Islam is Sunni). Last I checked, they don't have enough allies to be able to do a nuclear attack.

All this is is a bunch of chicken littles who think the sky is falling. Is there a chance something will happen? Sure. But it's not likely. And don't forget who the only country is who's actually used nuclear weapons on another country.

what point? that anything but perfection isnt good enough?

The opposite my friend, that nothing is in perfection. Its all relative, and basically, we don't know shit, nobody knows whats right. Did you get my comment about 1984? If not, it's a book, by George Orwell, about that sort of thing, it's worth a read.

could u provide the reason that they are being held?

From what I remember it was not noted in the article the reason why they were being held. Women, I can understand, under certain conditions (eg, they committed a crime like anyone else), children however, prisoners of war? I do not see any ethical reason to hold a bunch of civilian children in a jail cell as prisoners of war.

We wouldn't be releasing prisoners either. Israel has been under constant attack and they finally have had enough. To bad they didn't just go in and take out the entire Hamas leadership.

And blowing yourself up is not the answer to the problem.

If the US government (please inform me if they are, I am not aware that they do) was holding children as prisoners of war, I would see that as a heinous act, weather they were Palestenian children, Isreli children, Mexican children, hell, Adolf Hitler's children (if it was in that time and they were still young), that is unacceptable.

What if this child truly believed that by blowing himself up and anyone and everyone (yes that includes women and other CHILDREN) will get him into their heaven?

If that child was on the same bus as your mom, little sister, lover: would it be a terrible act than?

Iran and N. Korea ain't gonna do shit.

First off, North Korea's missile launch failed miserably. Second, if they were really planning on using nuclear weapons offensively, why would they even come out and announce that they have them? The only reason any country develops nukes these days is for defense purposes, so no one can attack them. Remember when it first came out that they had 'em? There was a big uproar then too. I said the same thing then that I'm saying now. Third, China is acting in their own best interests. I've heard a lot of speculation that, after the failed test launch, China and Russia's support may waver a bit. They don't need the US, but having our trade can only help them, not hurt them. If we push enough, they'll cave.

And as far as Iran goes, it's pretty much the same thing. For one thing, how do we know they're not just developing nuclear power for energy? Also, the mullahs are in charge over there, not Ahmadinejad, and they may be extremists, but they also want to stay in power. Crazy =/= stupid. Quite the opposite, in many cases, in fact. If they launch nuclear weapons against Israel, Israel will single-handedly destroy them. You're talking about a country who, when attacked not long after being formed by most of the Arab nations, not only defeated them, but took some of their land. We have no reason to worry about Israel. Also, Iranians aren't Arab, they're Persian, and, as Shiites, they would be considered heretics by most Muslims in the Middle East (the majority denomination in Islam is Sunni). Last I checked, they don't have enough allies to be able to do a nuclear attack.

All this is is a bunch of chicken littles who think the sky is falling. Is there a chance something will happen? Sure. But it's not likely. And don't forget who the only country is who's actually used nuclear weapons on another country.

There are a handful of countries that I wouldn't put it past them to fire a couple nukes into Washington DC, New York City, Chicago, etc given the chance. Hate is a powerful thing. As is religion. Don't take it lightly... it's not a matter of being stupid, people have proven time and time again that they are willing to sacrifice their lives for their beliefs/countries/hate/whatever. I am not necessarily saying that a full country being backed by it's citizens would attack the US, or another country in this manner, but a handful of extremeists from any number of countries around the world, sure, and what would the US do in retaliation? Mmmm... Same for any country with nuclear power against any other country with nuclear power. Sometimes having balls isn't all there is to it, I mean, I wouldn't put it past Bush not to send a dozen or so nukes off to the middle east if he even smelled a hint of one of theirs coming over here.

Call me crazy but if they put out a serious threat agains the US id send off the nukes myself. Im not going to watch millions die because some relgious nutball cant get it up.

What if this child truly believed that by blowing himself up and anyone and everyone (yes that includes women and other CHILDREN) will get him into their heaven?

If that child was on the same bus as your mom, little sister, lover: would it be a terrible act than?

I suppose it would be acceptable in that instance, yes, my statement was flawed. Preferably though, there should be a better way to handle it, although I have no ideas at the moment, it's hard to mess with people's beliefs. On another note though, I do not know many true children (below 13 or so) that are willing to die for their beliefs... Islamic, Christian, Judaic or otherwise, so I would be hard pressed to believe that that is the reason they hold them in the jails, though, you could be correct.

Call me crazy but if they put out a serious threat agains the US id send off the nukes myself. Im not going to watch millions die because some relgious nutball cant get it up.

There are better ways of handling things than turning a thousand square miles into a glass desert. Personally, I vote for government sanctioned assassinations. Sure, that could potentially cause some problems I suppose, but at times like these, it seems it would be more beneficial than detrimental. Just knock off the head honchos. Thats alot better in my opinion than indiscriminatly obliterating an entire countries population.

World Wars as inevitable?…perhaps. I cannot guarantee that there will never be another war for the rest of human civilization. However, I do not believe that current affairs clearly indicate the beginnings of a third world war. Let us first look at the situation by comparing to the previous World Wars. Although there are certainly more recent developments that complicate such a comparison, I feel that the last two World Wars can still give us a fair idea of what to expect should a situation arise that may lead into another world war. So, what did we see in WWI or WWII?

Strongly entrenched military alliances

North Korea has none. China and Russia might offer verbal support. But as major trading partners with S. Korea and the West, it would be a tremendous cost to come to the aid of an unreliable ally. In this case, greed can prevent wars. This is not to mention the devastating cost of a war between China and the U.S. (see below) If North Korea wishes to invite the U.S. to war, it would be doing so alone (something no country would want to face).

There is a similar situation in Iran, but in this case it is the overstrained U.S. military that is isolated. Note the extremist rhetoric of Ahmadinejad and remember that it is just that, rhetoric. Ahmadinejad has no intentions of provoking the U.S. into a military conflict and has even written two letters to the White House in which he refers to the president as his “Excellency.” If anything, his dialogue places the U.S. in an interesting bind. Currently, the U.S. military is overstrained. Ahmadinejad most likely has no actual interest in annihilating Israel or provoking the ire of the U.S.; his rhetoric is aimed at the Muslim world. Why? If the U.S. is to invade Iran, it needs troops and military bases. U.S. soldiers are already overburdened and neither Iraq nor Afghanistan offer secure bases. During the early stages of the U.S. military engagement in Iraq, the U.S. was able to carry out its operations because it had the support of military bases in Kuwait and Israel as well as aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf. Currently, the daily bloodshed experienced in Iraq has galvanized local opinions against the U.S. and Ahmadinejad is capitalizing upon that anger. Beyond the Muslim world, Iran has done an impressive job of finding allies to counter the U.S. diplomatically. As a result, although few countries would like to see Iran with nuclear weapons, virtually no one wishes to support the U.S. in invading Iran. In the U.S., such a move would incur steep political costs, not to mention immense costs in blood and treasure to an already strained army.

Powerful Oppositions

The intensity of both world wars could be partially attributed to the strength of both sides of the war. Had there been a clearly asymmetrical balance of power (i.e. an immensely powerful nation against a tiny nation that had no allies), then the wars could have been settled very quickly (to the dismay of the smaller, invaded nations). That did not happen. Instead, both sides of each conflict in these wars suffered extremely heavy casualties. Neither Iran nor North Korea are military powerhouses.

Nuclear Weapons

As for nuclear weapons, although not much is known about the extend of Iran’s nuclear program, one thing is fairly certain. If you were Iran right now, you would have to be pretty stupid not to have nuclear weapons. With Iraq to its east and Afghanistan to its west, nuclear technology is the only bargaining chip Iran has against a world power.

North Korea most likely has at least one nuclear warhead. However, they are most likely not going to use it (them). Even if it launches nukes, the retaliation by the U.S. (which will almost certainly have international support) would be devastating.

At this point, it is important to note that, although Iran and North Korea are currently hogging the international spotlight for developing nuclear capabilities, other developing countries will continue to seek nuclear capabilities. There are only a handful of countries in the world today that have unequivocally abandoned nuclear technology. Recently, Brazil has become a nuclear power. Both Pakistan and India are understood to have nuclear warheads and many more countries are seeking them. What does that mean for the future of nuclear proliferation? On one hand, some will argue that the U.S. will have to accept that an increasing number of nations are developing nuclear weapons (Even the U.S. has since 2001 has stockpiled an additional 2,000 nuclear warhead). On the other hand, some would argue that the world cannot tolerate any more nuclear weapons, especially ones in the hands of irresponsible leaders, and that countries that pursue nuclear armaments will have to face severe repercussions.

With that said, there are a couple of wild cards.

The Korean DMZ

The DMZ (demilitarized zone) is a 2 mile-thick stretch of territory along the border between North and South Korea. Technically, the Korean War was never resolved. We are currently at an armistice with North Korea. Should either side so much as walk over the DMZ, the U.S. would automatically be at war with not only North Korea, but China and Russia. However, should that happen, it’s quite likely that China and Russia would pull out. The economic ties between the U.S. and China are so entrenched and their military power so great that should war break out between these two nations (let us hope that never happens), both nations’ economies would collapse, the world economy would collapse and billions of people could die. It alone would not be the end of humanity, but it would be pretty close unless both sides seek diplomatic solutions early enough. No sane members of the Chinese or U.S. governments would want to declare such a war.

Audacious Leaders

Now, although no sane leaders would want to begin a thorough destruction of their own country and the world; there is always the chance that a pretty insane leader come to power. So far, I personally do not believe that any of the leaders involved countries today are that stupid; but I could be overestimating them.

Nevertheless, the incentives simply do not favor a massive world war and it is unlikely that the current affairs, as dangerous as they may seem now, will lead to WWIII.

Neo Undelia
What? The more countries with nuclear weapons the more peaceful the world become. Ever heard of MAD?

That’s actually not true anymore. The concept of mutraly assured destruction was conceived of before the invention of ICBMs and multiple warheads. Before ICBMs, there was a good chance that if country A launched its nukes at country B, enough of country B (and its nukes) would survive to give as equally devastating counterstrike to country A (Thus ensuring the destruction of both countries). However, the invention of the ICBM changed the probability that a sufficient portion of Country B survived to only about 0.2 %. In other words, should a nuclear war occur with ICBMs, the first country to strike wins. Therefore, countries today may then have an incentive to strike preemptively.

Wilgrove
Yea, umm, have you actually seen how many Wars [the UN] actually stopped?

DesignatedMarksman
UN doesn't really do much in the way of preventing wars.

You would be surprised by how many conflicts the UN does actually stop. True, the UN does not effectively act as the world’s police. That’s because they are not the world’s police. But bear in mind that the second-half of the twentieth century was the most peaceful time in recorded human history relative to the percentage of the population experiencing peace. The UN played no small part in that accomplishment.

Wilgrove
and yet, while Japan and USA wants sanctions, Russia and China don't want sanctions. If China wants to prevent a War, they better pull on the leash a little bit. I can see USA actually cutting off trading with China if they don't bring their pet in a little bit.

Actually, I believe USA will fair better than China without the trade agreement.

That’s not likely to happen. If the U.S. cut trade with China, it would actually hurt the U.S. far more than it would hurt China. China is the largest exporter to the U.S. and nowhere else can the U.S. buy its goods for a cheaper price. For some goods, the second best price is ten times as much from other countries. Imagine what you pay for now for everything from electronics to furniture to clothes to paper supplies. Now imagine paying 10 times that amount. Imagine how that will affect the U.S. economy. For China, it’s a different story because they will still have other markets eager to buy their products at rock bottom prices. Also, the U.S. owes a lot of money to China. They are our second largest foreign lender (and our currency would have likely floundered had they not loaned us the funds). Should China ever wish to respond to a trade embargo by demanding their money back (with interest), we would 1.) loose credit, which would hurt us in terms of international trade with all foreign countries. This would cause us to 2.) raise interest rates to encourage foreign investments. Such an act unfortunately would simultaneously 3.) hamper domestic investments and 4.) cause massive unemployment and 5.) inflation.

Conscience and Truth
The biggest threat by far is America. I'm scared for my life that Bush has his finger on the bomb. We really need progressive policies in America because of all the oppression America has brought since it was founded.

I wish America never existed and that we had embraced a more social world when we had the chance. Even though the Soviets were bad, I think the wrong side won the Cold War. Because no matter what you say about the Soviet system, at least everyone had healthcare.

When speaking about the capability of massive destruction, it is true that the U.S. is unmatched in its ability to destroy. The U.S. is the only nation in the world that can simultaneously engage in two wars at the same time at anyplace in the world without suffering economic repercussions. The U.S. also currently spends more on its military than all other countries in the world combined. The U.S. is the only country in the world that has used nuclear weapons on civilian populations and currently has a nuclear arsenal of approximately 16,000 nuclear warhead. That is enough to immolate the earth in nuclear fire 30 times. Yes, it is an understatement to say that the U.S. can destroy the world should the wrong finger get behind the red button.

However, having the power to destroy the world does not mean that a country will destroy the world. With great power comes great responsibility. The U.S. has so far been responsible enough not to use nuclear weapons again. This does not mean that it will not ever do so in the future (and you are not alone in your concern for the possibility of Bush becoming too trigger happy), but it does suggest that responsible leaders can resist an abuse of such power. If Americans elect a responsible and wise leader, then the immense power of the U.S. military should not threaten world peace. And although it is true that responsible and wise leaders are rare, one could be reassured that even a mediocre leader can still have the conscience not to exploit strength at the cost of world peace. True, every once in a while a Bush may assume power; but that is where we can rejoice in term limits.

In any case, there is at least one interesting consequence of U.S. military, political and economic dominance: There has not been a war of the magnitude of the World Wars since the U.S. became a superpower. In a mono-polar world there is no question of which country can decimate any other country should that country displease the superpower. This has been a surprising deterrent for many countries that realize the dangers involved in angering the U.S. and is still effective today; though, it will not be for long since China will soon become the next world superpower.

Furthermore, although the U.S. has at times abused its power, it has also been able to transform Germany and Japan into peaceful, economic powerhouses. It has supported the European economy and assisted in peace-keeping missions throughout war-ravaged regions of the world. It has made great strides in humanitarian efforts from the sheer depth of its pockets. This is not to say that the U.S. can’t do more and it is not to excuse the over 200 conflicts that the U.S. has engaged in that have resulted in a tremendous loss of life. But it is to point out that the U.S. has been and can be an instrument of constructive change and much good.

Finally, I would like to make a distinction between the actions of the U.S. government (listed above) and the American people. Never confuse a government and its people. It would be unfair to stereotype or generalize Americans, for we are a diverse people. Just like any society, there are terrible, cruel and arrogant people; but there are also kind, brilliant and loving people and I don’t regret the fact that any of them exist.

"Wow", is all I have to say...

Also, if such a thing exists, I would like to nominate Arwan for providing the most interesting, enlightening, and helpful post of the week, heck make it the month. Thank you Arwan, you have elaborated in a manner that I could only dream of doing. *Applauds*

Altough I don't believe that there will be a World War 3, all this is because of this sort of 'united world' where a goverment can't do something without permission from the U.N. or all the other countries in the World. Why do wars get out of hand? Because countries interfere in others buisiness simply for their own interests and all the time consiounscly knowing they will cause more unrest.

For example if the U.S. hadn't decided to take this heavy Pro-Israeli role, there would have been no resentment from the Arab World towards the U.S. and the West, no 9/11, no Arab terrorsit attacks in Europe and the U.S. They woudn't have to go to Afghanistan or Iraq and now possibly Iran. Of course they shouldn't have supported Iraq in the Iraq-Iran War.Until the Israel festering wound is healed, we will neither be assured of oil nor peace with Arabs. Whatever the outcome of the Iraqi war has been, there will always be another Iraq and another Saddam. Shall we keep on bashing them every time?


Also the U.N. really likes to punish the people with sanctions instead of the goverment. It really irritates me that the U.N. wants to interfere in everything like the Europenion Union. Where I live, on a small island we have a population of 400,000 and have about some 3,000 illegal immigrants and more are coming every week, and they want to dictate how we treat the issue without sending any help. A similar case is the EU interfering in the 'Secret CIA' activities in Europe, and accusing European Countries for this, who the hell are they to interfere, it seems like to make a decision which goes against the 'rights of humans' as they call them, and a decision which doesn't fill their paychecks they surround you.

So in the end, I see this as a cause of Capitalism and Globilisation and the constant meddling of these organistations in issues which they have no damned right to. As George Canning used to say "Every nation for Itself".

If the US government (please inform me if they are, I am not aware that they do) was holding children as prisoners of war, I would see that as a heinous act, weather they were Palestenian children, Isreli children, Mexican children, hell, Adolf Hitler's children (if it was in that time and they were still young), that is unacceptable.

If they are caught in arms against my forces then we damn well will put them in a POW camp because that is where they will belong. I guess you do not know that Palestinians have used kids to smuggle their bombs in and have used kids in past suicide attacks. If you did know this then you know why some of them are in there. Also, what about other crimes that can land one in jail?

You sir/ma'am, need to actually get all the facts instead of listening to propaganda.

yeah, because america wants to rule the world.

I think that nobody really knows when WW3 will break out but it will be the best thing that could ever happen on earth.

Imagine the peace and tranquility once all humans are wiped out
and the only wars that may follow are between diamond rich cockroaches and huge glowing rats.

So I Say Bring on the nukes I'm waiting....
:D :D :D ;)

Umm, the leaders of Iran and N. Korea, yea umm, they're nutjobs, logic and reasons have left their brains a looonnngggg time ago.


Really? Tell me how you know this then umm?