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It's like a lottery that rewards patheticness.

For the same reason they have a bronze medal, I expect. Whatever that is.

It's like a lottery that rewards patheticness.
...only it's not a lottery in that it isn't random, and the teams playing are far from pathetic, they're the 3rd and 4th best national teams in the world.

...only it's not a lottery in that it isn't random, and the teams playing are far from pathetic, they're the 3rd and 4th best national teams in the world.

It may involve the 3rd best this year, but nothing could make Germany come CLOSE to being 3rd or 4th best in the world.

For the money, duh....

It may involve the 3rd best this year, but nothing could make Germany come CLOSE to being 3rd or 4th best in the world.
If you don't want the answer to your OP question, why ask it? Every world athletic event rewards 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. And the one thing that could indeed make Germany not just close but ACTUALLY the 3rd or 4th best in the world is exactly what happened. They played a semifinal and lost. Therefore, they are, in this year's World Cup, the 3rd or 4th best team in the world, whether you wish it to be so or not.

For the money, duh....
NOW you're talkin'.

Speaking of which, can you believe they took Budweiser's money? IN GERMANY?!? GruB Gott!

If you don't want the answer to your OP question, why ask it? Every world athletic event rewards 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. And the one thing that could indeed make Germany not just close but ACTUALLY the 3rd or 4th best in the world is exactly what happened. They played a semifinal and lost. Therefore, they are, in this year's World Cup, the 3rd or 4th best team in the world, whether you wish it to be so or not.

According to FIFA, Germany is 19th in the world. Regardless of how their ranking changes because of the cup, I stand by that.

According to FIFA, Germany is 19th in the world. Regardless of how they ranking changes because of the cup, I stand by that.
That's fine, but the tournament says otherwise, and I stand by that, because that's what's happening now.

so we know who comes in third.

so we know who comes in third.
There y'go. Good answer.

That's fine, but the tournament says otherwise, and I stand by that, because that's what's happening now.

This tournament is a farce. Who did Germany beat to get here? Right, nobody special, except a mistake of a win against Argentina. The WC means nothing.

This tournament is a farce. Who did Germany beat to get here? Right, nobody special, except a mistake of a win against Argentina. The WC means nothing.
Alrighty then. No topping that.

According to FIFA, Germany is 19th in the world. Regardless of how their ranking changes because of the cup, I stand by that.
No one puts any store by FIFA rankings because the FIFA rankings are stuffed. The US are not the fifth best team in the world. They aren't even in the best 10 teams.

No one puts any store by FIFA rankings because the FIFA rankings are stuffed. The US are not the fifth best team in the world. They aren't even in the best 10 teams.
Good point. Had I known my country's team was that overranked, I'd have brought it up. It is to laugh, given how they played.

No one puts any store by FIFA rankings because the FIFA rankings are stuffed. The US are not the fifth best team in the world. They aren't even in the best 10 teams.

And yet, some teams are exactly where they're meant to be.

And yet, some teams are exactly where they're meant to be.
Okay. Now you're just contradicting yourself. Either the FIFA rankings are a good indicator or they're not. They can't be both. Seems to me the world playing the world is the best indicator, but hey.

Is it just me or is this thread extreme bitterness over nothing?

Is it just me or is this thread extreme bitterness over nothing?
Another very good question. Alemannia?

Speaking of which, can you believe they took Budweiser's money? IN GERMANY?!? GruB Gott!
No, the FIFA took the money and forced us to sell that weak excuse for a beer. Germany had no coice in that.

Another very good question. Alemannia?

I'm bitter about this pathetic team representing all of us. It's a northerner team, and it should be known as that.

No, the FIFA took the money and forced us to sell that weak excuse for a beer. Germany had no coice in that.
It was awful, seeing Bud's logo feces all over the world capital of good beer.

ATTENTION ALL GERMANS FORCED TO SELL THAT SWILL:

On behalf of all real beer lovers in the US, I apologize most humbly.

Bud sucks, Germany rocks (and knows how to throw a great party). End of story.

I'm bitter about this pathetic team representing all of us. It's a northerner team, and it should be known as that.
Still just a game, sweetness. Look at my sig and tell me I don't know bitterness at team disappointment. At least Germany's actually WON three WCs.

EDIT: Whoops! It used to say "GO SEAHAWKS." I added a quote and screwed that up. Back in a flash.

Still just a game, sweetness. Look at my sig and tell me I don't know bitterness at team disappointment. At least Germany's actually WON three WCs.

EDIT: Whoops! It used to say "GO SEAHAWKS." I added a quote and screwed that up. Back in a flash.

WEST Germany won three WCs. Germany has won nothing. More proof that Germany functions better divided.

I'm bitter about this pathetic team representing all of us. It's a northerner team, and it should be known as that.


Ah I see. Your team lost and you're looking for pointless excuses. At least you're not crying about the ref yet like english fans will be forever, although I wouldn't be surprised if thats where the blame goes next..

Ah I see. Your team lost and you're looking for pointless excuses. At least you're not crying about the ref yet like english fans will be forever, although I wouldn't be surprised if thats where the blame goes next..

Southlanders aren't even represented in the team, except a few Bavarians, and they're not the sharpest tools in the shed. We're getting a bad rap because northerners can't play football.

WEST Germany won three WCs. Germany has won nothing. More proof that Germany functions better divided.
Wow. I kinda figured your vitriol had more to do with politics than a football match. Look, I'm sorry you're full of self-loathing at the state of your nation, but it's certainly better together than it ever was apart.

Relax, brother -- there's no sense in getting upset over things you can't control.

Lots of people need to take soccer/football less seriously. When inanimate objects start flying around the room when a goal is scored, they need to calm down.

Wow. I kinda figured your vitriol had more to do with politics than a football match. Look, I'm sorry you're full of self-loathing at the state of your nation, but it's certainly better together than it ever was apart.

HOW is it better? Not just on the field, but at all? Shitty team, economy's in the crapper, docile as a fieldmouse... it's a joke.

HOW is it better? Not just on the field, but at all? Shitty team, economy's in the crapper, docile as a fieldmouse... it's a joke.
Okaaaaaayyyy. I'm just gonna slowly back outta this thread and leave you to your...whatever this particular psychosis is called. You...you have fun, now!

(Someone clear all the sharp objects outta this thread, and quick!)

GA, do me favour and shut up, crawl into your corner and die a horrible death, will you?

GA, do me favour and shut up, crawl into your corner and die a horrible death, will you?

You shut up, fischkopf.

You have absolutely no idea where Cologne is located, right?

You have absolutely no idea where Cologne is located, right?

Yeah, too north. It's not southern. Central, at most.

Alles klar... :rolleyes:

Alles klar... :rolleyes:

Yep.

I'm bitter about this pathetic team representing all of us. It's a northerner team, and it should be known as that.
You know, I just wrote a really nice and considerate and non-flaming answer to your griping on the other thread, even when I knew there was really some misguided nationalistic hurt pride at core, but upon reading this I think you just gave me a brain seizure.

This must be by far the most ignorant, pathetic, misguided, *insert any adjective I'm too angry and flabbergasted to think of right now* comment on a soocer team I've ever had the displeasure to read.

You know, I just wrote a really nice and considerate and non-flaming answer to your griping on the other thread, even when I knew there was really some misguided nationalistic hurt pride at core, but upon reading this I think you just gave me a brain seizure.

This must be by far the most ignorant, pathetic, misguided, *insert any adjective I'm too angry and flabbergasted to think of right now* comment on a soocer team I've ever had the displeasure to read.

We're all proud of you, Northland.

Ah I see. Your team lost and you're looking for pointless excuses. At least you're not crying about the ref yet like english fans will be forever, although I wouldn't be surprised if thats where the blame goes next..
Wow. I kinda figured your vitriol had more to do with politics than a football match. Look, I'm sorry you're full of self-loathing at the state of your nation, but it's certainly better together than it ever was apart.

Relax, brother -- there's no sense in getting upset over things you can't control.
Okay, I don't really want to pour oil into this specific fire, but I really, really want to point out that, just as Tarandella in the other thread last night, Greater Alemannia is not German. He has German ancestors and he lives in Australia, and while I certainly don't want to tell him that he can't identify with whatever nation he wants, I *hate* to let people walk away from this with the notion that "Ugh, those Germans are the worst losers ever!".

Seriously, nobody here is saying anything like that. The northerner/southerner argument is his own personal pet peeve - and by far the most outlandish thing I've ever heard about our soccer team. Ever. If it wasn't so sad, it would be worht a hearty guffaw.

Meine Fresse, das ist ja nicht auszuhalten. Jaaaaa, der Süden rockt, der Süden ist das Beste, alle Deutschen wären gerne südlich des Weisswurstäquators geboren, um auch solche Übermenschen zu sein...
Isses bald mal gut?

We're all proud of you, Northland.
You know, sweetie, I could totally tell you that I'm from "Alemannia" (:rolleyes:, btw) myself, but I'm pretty sure that would only get me a label as "traitor to the cause" or some such, so I will refrain. :p

Meine Fresse, das ist ja nicht auszuhalten. Jaaaaa, der Süden rockt, der Süden ist das Beste, alle Deutschen wären gerne südlich des Weisswurstäquators geboren, um auch solche Übermenschen zu sein...
Isses bald mal gut?

Damn straight we're the best. We gave the world Mozart.

You know, sweetie, I could totally tell you that I'm from "Alemannia" (:rolleyes:, btw) myself, but I'm pretty sure that would only get me a label as "traitor to the cause" or some such, so I will refrain. :p

There are always a couple of problems here and there..

Damn straight we're the best. We gave the world Mozart.
:eek: :D

The Austrian guy who was born in Salzburg? That Mozart?

Sure. :p

:eek: :D

The Austrian guy who was born in Salzburg? That Mozart?

Sure. :p

Austria is south.

Austria is south.
ROFLMAO! OMG, I love this. :p

Now pay real close attention, here's a newsflash:

Italy is even more south! :eek:

Uh-oh...

Austria is south.
And not Germany...

ROFLMAO! OMG, I love this. :p

Now pay real close attention, here's a newsflash:

Italy is even more south! :eek:

Uh-oh...

Italy's not Germanic.

And not Germany...

Depends on your point of view. I see it as just an extention of the German plains. And besides, what language do they speak there?

Italy’s not Germanic.
Egads! Uniting the German volk under on banner.... in the name of football?

Depends on your point of view. I see it as just an extention of the German plains. And besides, what language do they speak there?
What? Well, I could turn round and say the US and Oz are merely extensions of the UK. After all, what language do they (sorta) speak?

Egads! Uniting the German volk under on banner.... in the name of football?

No, I'd like them divided.

And what about the Tessin? German speaking italian region. They have to be the best of all, right?
Besides, Austria gave the world not only Mozart...

What? Well, I could turn round and say the US and Oz are merely extensions of the UK. After all, what language do they (sorta) speak?

Yeah, but they're too... not British. Austria is just like Germany Jr.

And what about the Tessin? German speaking italian region. They have to be the best of all, right?
Besides, Austria gave the world not only Mozart...

There are German speakers everywhere, doesn't make them part of the German spectrum.

And what about the Tessin? German speaking italian region. They have to be the best of all, right?
Besides, Austria gave the world not only Mozart...
Don't bother, seriously. This has gone beyond rational arguing (well, not to say that you didn't notice that, duh).

Don't bother, seriously. This has gone beyond rational arguing (well, not to say that you didn't notice that, duh).

It's rational, I can sum it up in four words: divided Germany is better.

Italy's not Germanic.

Two words: South Tyrol.

Two words: South Tyrol.

German speaking area of Italy. There are German speakers everywhere.

It's rational
Yes, rational... Sure...
Maybe in your world, but not in ours.

German speaking area of Italy. There are German speakers everywhere.
Austria is a german speaking area of Austria, by your rationale.

Yes, rational... Sure...
Maybe in your world, but not in ours.

Yeah, your world is full of fairies and pixies and elves in funny little hats.

Austria is a german speaking area of Austria, by your rationale.

Austria speaks German entirely, and it's populace considered themselves German until they went wussie after the war.

No, they do not consider themselves germans. They share more history with Hungary and are no germans just like the swiss and the liechtenstein people arent.

No, they do not consider themselves germans. They share more history with Hungary and are no germans just like the swiss and the liechtenstein people arent.

I said that they USED TO, until the end of the war.

Austria is not South. Here is South and we have a large german speaking population. The next city up te road from me is caled (in Engliash) New Hamburg.

So include the South of Brazil as well. :p

Austria is not South. Here is South and we have a large german speaking population. The next city up te road from me is caled (in Engliash) New Hamburg.

So include the South of Brazil as well. :p
Oh, AB Again. Whatever will we do with you? You obviously didn't pay attention. *shakes head sadly*

1) "New Hamburg" obviously hearkens back to the evil Northland
2) Brazilians are obviously not "Germanic", so they don't count.
What, you mean they're immigrants? Damn. Well, they're still from the north of the Fatherland, so they still don't count.

Got that already? :p

I don't see the point of the third place game. It add insult to injury. "Haha, you suck. Now go play another game and make an ass of yourselves again."

Reckon any Germans will turn up to the game?

I don't see the point of the third place game. It add insult to injury. "Haha, you suck. Now go play another game and make an ass of yourselves again."

Reckon any Germans will turn up to the game?

The third/fourth place game is often the best game of the tournament. You are guaranteed two good teams, otherwise they wouldn't have got there, and there is no pressure. the game is more a party than anything else.

Why does it have to have a serious point - this is sport - entertainment in other words. You need to chill out a little.

Football is more important than life or death. I've gone back into depression because of that result.

And how is the 3rd place game good? It's the losers playing each other.

According to FIFA, Germany is 19th in the world. Regardless of how their ranking changes because of the cup, I stand by that.

So then the US is still 4th. USA! USA! USA!

So then the US is still 4th. USA! USA! USA!
5th. :p

Football is more important than life or death. I've gone back into depression because of that result.

And how is the 3rd place game good? It's the losers playing each other.

Oh, really I didn't realise sir Matt posted here from Australia.

Football is a game and a business. Nothing more and nothing less. Get over it. Unless you are commercially involved then what have you, personally, lost. Nothing. Oh, and 3rd vs 4th are not losers, there are 28 other teams that did worse in the finals and about a 100 more teams that did not even make it to the finals. Get a perspective.

So then the US is still 4th. USA! USA! USA!

Yeah, go US. For the team they are, they did better. USA were meant to get knocked out with straight losses. They drew with Italy. Germany was supposed to win. Now they get the honour of a 3rd place game.

5th. :p

Equal 6th, actually.

Football is a game and a business. Nothing more and nothing less. Get over it. Unless you are commercially involved then what have you, personally, lost. Nothing. Oh, and 3rd vs 4th are not losers, there are 28 other teams that did worse in the finals and about a 100 more teams that did not even make it to the finals. Get a perspective.

Football is not the Olympics. There is no honour in anything but victory.

The money and some pride for those poor teams who couldn't make the final.

Here we go again. This OP has to be the most contradictory and irrational poster I have encountered in these forums. Time and time again, GA spews out ridiculous arguments, irrational perspectives and just plain ignorant points of view.

Example:

This tournament is a farce … The WC means nothing.

And then in the same thread, almost in the same breath.

Football is more important than life or death.

Here we go again. This OP has to be the most contradictory and irrational poster I have encountered in these forums. Time and time again, GA spews out ridiculous arguments, irrational perspectives and just plain ignorant points of view.

Example:



And then in the same thread, almost in the same breath.

Football is more important than life or death, but THIS WC is a farce.

The money and some pride for those poor teams who couldn't make the final.

There's pride for Germany, Argentina or Brazil? Not likely.

You could ask why they allow topics like this.

Yeah, go US. For the team they are, they did better. USA were meant to get knocked out with straight losses. They drew with Italy. Germany was supposed to win. Now they get the honour of a 3rd place game.

I expected the USA to challenge to get out of the group and into the last eight. I expected Germany to struggled to second round and go out there. USA dissapointed me greatly, lost 3-0 in first game and never fully recovered. Germany have gone from strength to strength and into the last four

I can see the case for dropping the 3rd place game but it gives the chance for players to play for a bit of pride without geting cagey. Wouldn't you prefer to be third place then a semifinalist?

A battle for 3rd place will let Germany and the loser of the France-Portugal match to redeem themselves by not getting into the finals. Its just a final ranking system, thats all. I'm sure Germany will at least win 3rd place overall.

I expected the USA to challenge to get out of the group and into the last eight. I expected Germany to struggled to second round and go out there. USA dissapointed me greatly, lost 3-0 in first game and never fully recovered. Germany have gone from strength to strength and into the last four

I can see the case for dropping the 3rd place game but it gives the chance for players to play for a bit of pride without geting cagey. Wouldn't you prefer to be third place then a semifinalist?

Well, you're American. Americans were misled into thinking that the US was a good team.

Well, you're American. Americans were misled into thinking that the US was a good team.

Intresting assumption. Only problem, I'm not Amercian, I was born in Europe, I am English with a touch of Irish and have never been to the USA. The USA team are good, not great but strong enough to do a lot better then they did

Intresting assumption. Only problem, I'm not Amercian, I was born in Europe, I am English with a touch of Irish and have never been to the USA. The USA team are good, not great but strong enough to do a lot better then they did

Well, you were either American or living under a rock for the last 100 years.

Well, you were either American or living under a rock for the last 100 years.

England have this things called houses, we got rid of rocks ages ago;)

I'll explain my reason: USA are a solid side with some good players, three very good keepers to chose from and did well in 2002, I think their manager has done a brilliant job. Italy, given the circumstances, where unpredicate, Ghana lkaced expirence and Czech team are overated. USA did not play to their usal standard and let themselves down

Italy, unpredictable? Nah, they're invincible.