NationStates Jolt Archive


Least Favorite American Holiday?

Empress_Suiko
05-07-2006, 02:51
What holiday most popular in america do you hate the most? I can't stand thanksgiving and christmas...They just bug me.
Jaredcohenia
05-07-2006, 02:53
All but Thanksgiving and 4th of July.
Baguetten
05-07-2006, 02:53
There is nothing particularly US about Christmas, Easter and Valentines Day...
United Chicken Kleptos
05-07-2006, 02:54
4th of July is irritating. Too much patriotism.
Empress_Suiko
05-07-2006, 02:55
There is nothing particularly US about Christmas, Easter and Valentines Day...



They are very popular here, and we did commercialise them.
Empress_Suiko
05-07-2006, 02:56
4th of July is irritating. Too much patriotism.



I almost got arrested on the 4th last year. :D
United Chicken Kleptos
05-07-2006, 02:57
Huh. Wow. What did you do?
Secret aj man
05-07-2006, 02:58
What holiday most popular in america do you hate the most? I can't stand thanksgiving and christmas...They just bug me.

i despise valentines day..it is first...a money whore holiday

second,why the hell should i be all lovey dovey..on that day..stupid marketing b.s. to make girls feel special...

i dont even want to get deeper,as i am drinking,and would probably offend someone or most.

i will say...women are no more special then me or my dog.
Empress_Suiko
05-07-2006, 03:01
Huh. Wow. What did you do?

Everybody was waving thier little sparklers and mini american flags, so I used my sparkler to set my mini american flag on fire.:D People started yelling at me so I flipped them off and mooned them. :D The cops watching accused me of trying to start a riot and threatened to arrest me. :D I was so proud.
United Chicken Kleptos
05-07-2006, 03:03
Everybody was waving thier little sparklers and mini american flags, so I used my sparkler to set my mini american flag on fire.:D People started yelling at me so I flipped them off and mooned them. :D The cops watching accused me of trying to start a riot and threatened to arrest me. :D I was so proud.

LMFAO!!

That's definately a way to get the police's attention.
Eyster
05-07-2006, 03:03
Everybody was waving thier little sparklers and mini american flags, so I used my sparkler to set my mini american flag on fire.:D People started yelling at me so I flipped them off and mooned them. :D The cops watching accused me of trying to start a riot and threatened to arrest me. :D I was so proud.


Hey man, that really sucks. Really, you shouldn't burn the flag on the Fourth of July.
New Granada
05-07-2006, 03:04
Flag day
Empress_Suiko
05-07-2006, 03:04
Hey man, that really sucks. Really, you shouldn't burn the flag on the Fourth of July.


I was making a political statement. Freedom Of speech baby!:D
AB Again
05-07-2006, 03:05
Halloween. Why don't we just take all our kids and teach them to demand what they want with menaces. (I am not in the US, but Trick or Treating has spread - crap idea people.)
Eyster
05-07-2006, 03:06
I was making a political statement. Freedom Of speech baby!:D

What exactly was the political statement? Or did you really just burn the flag for the hell of it?
Neo Undelia
05-07-2006, 03:07
Normally, I’d probably say the fourth, but that is traditionally around the time when my extended family gets together, and as much as I complain about them, it isn’t all bad.
Everybody was waving thier little sparklers and mini american flags, so I used my sparkler to set my mini american flag on fire. People started yelling at me so I flipped them off and mooned them. The cops watching accused me of trying to start a riot and threatened to arrest me. I was so proud.
Ech, irritant.
While I probably agree with the sentiment, to express it with such vulgarity is so... vain. It just makes it easier for them to disapprove of you.
Empress_Suiko
05-07-2006, 03:08
What exactly was the political statement? Or did you really just burn the flag for the hell of it?


That america has gone up in flames due to our crappy political parties.
Neo Undelia
05-07-2006, 03:09
That america has gone up in flames due to our crappy political parties.
But you didn't say that, did you? There is nothing as moronic as a pointless protest, especially when I agree.
Eyster
05-07-2006, 03:10
That america has gone up in flames due to our crappy political parties.

Did you actually say that? In my mind I just picture you laughing or something...
Secret aj man
05-07-2006, 03:10
What exactly was the political statement? Or did you really just burn the flag for the hell of it?

you have every right to burn my flag...and i have every right to punch you in the face..or does freedom of expression end when you are in peril...punk!
Empress_Suiko
05-07-2006, 03:11
Did you actually say that? In my mind I just picture you laughing or something...


Actually I did. But I was laughing to.
Empress_Suiko
05-07-2006, 03:13
you have every right to burn my flag...and i have every right to punch you in the face..or does freedom of expression end when you are in peril...punk!


That is assult. I then have the right to press charges against you and have you locked up.
Neo Undelia
05-07-2006, 03:14
Actually I did. But I was laughing to.
It's people like you that make people like me look bad.
Eyster
05-07-2006, 03:15
you have every right to burn my flag...and i have every right to punch you in the face..or does freedom of expression end when you are in peril...punk!

Actually, no, you do not have the right to punch me in the face. Sorry pal. You need to study law.
United Chicken Kleptos
05-07-2006, 03:15
That america has gone up in flames due to our crappy political parties.

I'm in a political party. We stand for partying, beer, lots of sex... and something to do with equal rights. I forget. I don't pay much attention in the meetings. :P We only have, like, five members anyways.
IL Ruffino
05-07-2006, 03:17
I'm going to say Valentines Day..
Neo Undelia
05-07-2006, 03:19
I'm going to say Valentines Day..
Hey now. Hallmark employees have families to feed too ya know.
IL Ruffino
05-07-2006, 03:22
you have every right to burn my flag...and i have every right to punch you in the face..or does freedom of expression end when you are in peril...punk!
You don't go to jail for burning a flag, you go to jail for punching someone.

Expression and idiocy are two different things.
IL Ruffino
05-07-2006, 03:23
Hey now. Hallmark employees have families to feed too ya know.
Well I'm a prick :D
New Granada
05-07-2006, 03:28
been in jail for less noble causes...so file away.

like i said,you have every right to do whatever you want,but to not to do with impugnity.

i will gladly go to jail for the pleasure of hitting you...as i would gladly go to jail for your right to burn the flag.

i dont respect people like you..you ask for me to accept your right to disrespect my country,my family that fought and died for the flag you so flippantly burned..to be a "look at me" asshole..i would have a semblance of respect for you,if...you actually did something a tad more meaningfull...but to be a fucking punk to get attention...afraid not.

i reserve the right to stomp your punk ass that people died to protect your right to be an idiot,look at me...twit.

by the way,i hate violence..but i hate twits that want attention and know nothing more then..look at me..the rebel..until it comes to blows..pussy.

again,i will fight for your right to act stupid,but dont exspect to not be bashed!

me thinks,that people that really cared about freedom suffered a tad more then a punch in the face.


Yes, you criminal hooligan, to do with IMPUNITY. Thats what makes something a right. Thats what the constitution stands for. Anyone who has ever taken an oath to defend the constitution is bound by oath to uphold that impunity.

If your intent is to abridge her civil rights by assault in response to free speech, other, more severe charges should be levied against you. Not just a common criminal but a traitor, the fist hitting the face over a burned flag is no different from a lighter burning the constitution.

If you want to live in a country of strongmen and government-proxy thugs, prison is probably where you belong.
Empress_Suiko
05-07-2006, 03:30
Yes, you criminal hooligan, to do with IMPUNITY thats what makes something a right.

If your intent is to abridge her civil rights by assault in response to free speech, other, more severe charges should be levied against you. Not just a common criminal but a traitor, the fist hitting the face over a burned flag is no different from a lighter burning the constitution.

If you want to live in a country of strongmen and government-proxy thugs, prison is probably where you belong.


Just ignore him. Lets not start a flame war.
The four perfect cats
05-07-2006, 03:34
Christmas, Solstice whatever you want to call it, has been so commercialized in this country that it's lost any meaning for me. I like Thanksgiving - it's a family day - we get together, eat, enjoy each other with no expectations. Easter is fun for kids and, except for the rabbit and the candy, has no expectations. But Christmas has been imbued with so much magical thinking that people think that if things don't go well, they've failed. I also hate the phone charity around Christmas. The hungry are hungry all year long, not just at Christmas.
United Chicken Kleptos
05-07-2006, 03:34
Just ignore him. Lets not start a flame war.

Heh. That's something I would've said. Kinda weird...
The Dylanites
05-07-2006, 03:35
Personally, Halloween and the 4th of July

And both beacuse i'm English.

We don't really do the whole Halloween thing over here. It just doesnt really happen. Bonfire night is much more celebrated over here. YAY!

And the 4th of July ... well, i dont really know why the British celebrate it at all? I mean, why? But meh, it still happens?

And "Secret aj man" just comes across as an arsehole. You claim that you'd go to jail for his right to burn a flag, and then you'd hit him cause he burnt a flag. Slightly strange. And personally, i just despises the whole "My family died for you o remain free" approach. And if you're being technical, then they fought for his right to be able to burn whatever the hell he wanted to.
And then surely, burning the flag is like the ultimate shout out of freedom? Look, this country is so free, i can do this!!

But then again, I'd hate to see anyone burning the old St.George, but still respect their right t do it. Hypocritical, i know.
Ultraextreme Sanity
05-07-2006, 03:45
Whatever one I do not get paid for .
Greill
05-07-2006, 03:46
Valentine's Day is the worst day for me. It's like a protection racket- you don't have to give any money, but then they'd just go in and bomb your store. For Valentine's Day, you don't have to buy any Valentine type thing, but if you don't your significant other will probably be ticked off. Now, I'm practically an anarcho-capitalist, but this still irritates me that I have to do this compulsory consumption/wealth redistribution if I want to have a relationship. It's just so superficial and so transparent.
United Chicken Kleptos
05-07-2006, 03:51
Valentine's Day is the worst day for me. It's like a protection racket- you don't have to give any money, but then they'd just go in and bomb your store. For Valentine's Day, you don't have to buy any Valentine type thing, but if you don't your significant other will probably be ticked off. Now, I'm practically an anarcho-capitalist, but this still irritates me that I have to do this compulsory consumption/wealth redistribution if I want to have a relationship. It's just so superficial and so transparent.

I don't have a job, so I pretty much have an excuse to not get anything.
Secret aj man
05-07-2006, 03:55
Yes, you criminal hooligan, to do with IMPUNITY. Thats what makes something a right. Thats what the constitution stands for. Anyone who has ever taken an oath to defend the constitution is bound by oath to uphold that impunity.

If your intent is to abridge her civil rights by assault in response to free speech, other, more severe charges should be levied against you. Not just a common criminal but a traitor, the fist hitting the face over a burned flag is no different from a lighter burning the constitution.

If you want to live in a country of strongmen and government-proxy thugs, prison is probably where you belong.

i am in my forties,and i have never hit anyone...especially over political stances.
maybe i was not clear!
you cant just burn a flag,for attenntion as the poster has obviously did attempt to backtrack from.
my point was,i will go to jail to preserve their right to do so,but if i hit you for doing so..so flippantly,i will take the consequences of my actions,,,ie:jail..which i would deserve.

i am not saying you deserve to be hit for disaagreeing with me,i am saying..if your a punk attention whore,dont be suprised if you get punched in the chops.
and i will probably be the one punching you,but i will also help you up after,my point was,if your trying to make a point...then i agree,but the op had to try and justify there behaviour,i am not..if you burn my flag...and have a point...ok,i will defend you,if you do it to get attention as a little twit..well then exspect a problem.

i only brought up jail,cause i ben there,and if punching some little fuck that disrespects me/family/friends/flag to rebel against there parents and has a look at me.."rebel" thing,well then accept the consequences,as i would for popping them one.
not hard to understand,i support you if you do it for a reason,if your a punk saying look at me,dont be suprised by the reaction.

i think that is honest,more so then the backtracking ass that burnt a flag cause they could.look at me..i am a rebel twit...if your a rebel..then a punch aint shit.

i got my ribs broken and my cheekbone shattered by the cops,so i can relate...but not to some rebellious kid that burns my flag to be cool.

and if he had posted a reason,then i would support him/her...no it was a look at me thread..i am johnny rebel..but dont hit me...lol

if it worth fighting for..whats a punch...i got my ass beat by cops,they were wrong,and i at least i no in my head i was right.
Neo Undelia
05-07-2006, 03:55
And "Secret aj man" just comes across as an arsehole.
True. But that doesn't stop Empress Suiko from coming acoss as an undermining hooligan.
Snakastan
05-07-2006, 03:56
I find Valentines Day and Easter the most irritating, followed by Christmas. Independance Day, Halloween and Thanksgiving are cool though.
Greill
05-07-2006, 03:56
I don't have a job, so I pretty much have an excuse to not get anything.

Not have to buy Valentine's day cards, or have a job? Hmmm... ;)
United Chicken Kleptos
05-07-2006, 03:58
True. But that doesn't stop Empress Suiko from coming acoss as an undermining hooligan.

Somehow, that turns me on. :P
PasturePastry
05-07-2006, 04:00
Christmas is getting annoying, considering it is getting used as an excuse to piss people off while the antagonists are tsk-tsking going "now now, it's Christmas. You are supposed to be nice to people.":rolleyes:
NERVUN
05-07-2006, 04:01
Valentine's Day aka The Evil Day!
Good Lifes
05-07-2006, 04:04
I would go with the ones that only the government and banks get off and thereby screw up everyone elses life. Such as "President's Day".
Dinaverg
05-07-2006, 04:05
Halloween. *nod*
Mstreeted
05-07-2006, 08:54
the only American holiday on your list is thanksgiving and 4th of july

the others are world wide

that said - i like all holiday - especially if ya get the day of work :D
Pepe Dominguez
05-07-2006, 09:03
And the 4th of July ... well, i dont really know why the British celebrate it at all? I mean, why? But meh, it still happens?

Some do? Seriously?

Anyway, I went with Valentine's for the same reasons as most, even though I've never had to pony up any dough for it.
Pepe Dominguez
05-07-2006, 09:05
the only American holiday on your list is thanksgiving and 4th of july

the others are world wide

that said - i like all holiday - especially if ya get the day of work :D

Except the Canadians have Thanksgiving and the Filipinos have the 4th of July as their independence day (wonder why? :p ). So we don't have a monopoly on either anymore. :)
Mstreeted
05-07-2006, 09:06
Except the Canadians have Thanksgiving and the Filipinos have the 4th of July as their independence day (wonder why? :p ). So we don't have a monopoly on either anymore. :)

oh :p

smarty pants

i need my morning coffee
Daistallia 2104
05-07-2006, 09:20
Everybody was waving thier little sparklers and mini american flags, so I used my sparkler to set my mini american flag on fire. People started yelling at me so I flipped them off and mooned them. The cops watching accused me of trying to start a riot and threatened to arrest me. I was so proud.

Hey man, that really sucks. Really, you shouldn't burn the flag on the Fourth of July.

I was making a political statement. Freedom Of speech baby!:D


Here ya go, Suiko:
Flags burn in celebration
By GENEVIEVE BOOKWALTER
SENTINEL STAFF WRITER

About 25 revelers celebrated their freedom of speech and welcomed the Fourth of July on Monday night with the "2nd Annual Old Time American Flag Burn."

Around a burn barrel at Seabright State Beach, organizer Brent Adams, 41, of Santa Cruz, declared flag burning not a protest, but a celebration of the Constitution's First Amendment.

"It seemed like a good idea to burn some flags just because we can," added fellow organizer Sha Lar, 32, of Santa Cruz.

The festivities were especially relevant after a constitutional amendment allowing Congress to ban flag desecration died in the Senate last week.

That proposal came in response to Supreme Court rulings in 1989 and 1990 that burning and other desecrations of the flag are protected as free speech by the First Amendment.

But it failed by one vote in the Senate to reach the two-thirds approval required before going to the states for ratification.

"The Senate overruled it by one vote, and let's celebrate it," Lar said. Some at the celebration noted that in other countries, they could be shot for torching the national flag.

Poison Oak, 35, of Aptos, said he wanted to "reclaim the flag. Not only those who support President George W. Bush can wave the red white and blue."

Still, not everyone on the beach appreciated stars and stripes melting over the fire.

"I think they should keep it to themselves," said Bill Crawford, 16, of Aptos, who was on the beach with buddies Elijah Manchester and Jacob Kendall, both 16 and from Santa Cruz.

The trio looked away as flames consumed the large and small flags.

"To me this is what represents our nation and what represents our freedom," Manchester said. He questioned why the group would want to burn the symbol of free speech.

Despite their different views, those who didn't agree with flag burning were still welcome at the event, said Igliashon Jones, 23, of Santa Cruz. Free speech is what it was all about.

"I don't think this would be what it is without debate," Jones said.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Contact Genevieve Bookwalter at atgbookwalter@santacruzsentinel.com.

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2006/July/04/local/stories/06local.htm


I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.Beatrice Hall
(Yes that's the correct attributation.)
Intangelon
05-07-2006, 09:23
Any of the holidays where it's EXPECTED of anyone to artificially prop up the gift/flower/jewelry industries' sagging profits. Diamonds aren't precious, and that's the biggest travesty/ripoff of all, and that's why I voted for VD (the coincidence of initials between Valentine's Day and Venereal Disease is a mild hoot).
Bodhis
05-07-2006, 09:23
It was a toss up between Christmas and Valentine's Day. However, Christmas in America now starts the day after Halloween, while Valentine's crap only is around for a short period of time. I'm not saying I dislike Christmas in general, just the whole "Americanized" version.
Dragons with Guns
05-07-2006, 10:08
Valentine's Day for sure. Easy call.
Markreich
05-07-2006, 10:26
Halloween: WAY over commercialized, and I really don't like the new trend I've seen here of people putting up lights for Halloween and then using them again for Christmas. Just seems wrong.
Nevermind it's Candy Heaven and the kids will bounce around for days on sugar highs that are insane.
That, and it's become something of a "Holy Night" for the Barnes & Noble Wiccans. :rolleyes:

Thanksgiving: Mmmm... Football and a great meal, plus a day off afterwards! What's not to like?

Christmas: Also over commercialized, but generally is a time of goodwill. More donations to homeless charities and food banks happen in the 6 weeks between Thanksgiving and Christmas than during the rest of the year.

Valentine's Day: Commercialized, but not nearly as badly as Halloween (the BIG candy holiday) or Christmas (the BIG buying holiday). Also, getting busy is never a bad thing. :)

4th of July: Picnics, fireworks, and the summer holiday season.

Easter: About as commericalized as Valentine's day. However, also has a dinner (just a big less than Thanksgiving). Nothing to not like, really. Unless you're not Christian.


For me, Halloween wins that list hands down as Least Favorite.

So where are other US holidays like Memorial Day or Labor Day? :confused:
United Chicken Kleptos
05-07-2006, 17:24
So where are other US holidays like Memorial Day or Labor Day? :confused:

Those two are the perfect holidays. You get the day off to just sit at home all day.
Maineiacs
05-07-2006, 17:38
I say Valentine's Day is the worst because love is an illusion.
Khadgar
05-07-2006, 17:49
I'm in a political party. We stand for partying, beer, lots of sex... and something to do with equal rights. I forget. I don't pay much attention in the meetings. :P We only have, like, five members anyways.

Your ideas intrigue me and I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Barbaric Tribes
05-07-2006, 17:59
Christmas is just so damned depressing. Allot of suicides around that time. I'm ussually just plain pissed off...
Soviestan
05-07-2006, 18:05
Christmas, its too Jesusy. And I hate that guy so yeah.
L-rouge
05-07-2006, 18:25
They are very popular here, and we did commercialise them.
Actually, the Brits began the commercialisation of Christmas (first christmas cards and all).

4th of July is my least favourite because all the others aren't exclusively American.
Farnhamia
05-07-2006, 18:27
Actually, the Brits began the commercialisation of Christmas (first christmas cards and all).

4th of July is my least favourite because all the others aren't exclusively American.
And the 4th of July allows us to face east across the Atlantic and make faces at the Brits for a day. :p
Farnhamia
05-07-2006, 18:33
I voted for (against?) Christmas, but that's just because for me it's always overwrought and overrun with family stuff and nonsense. Thanksgiving is, too, but not to the same extent. I think Christmas should be moved to the summer, anyway, say in August, and maybe we wouldn't get so many suicides.
AB Again
05-07-2006, 18:52
I voted for (against?) Christmas, but that's just because for me it's always overwrought and overrun with family stuff and nonsense. Thanksgiving is, too, but not to the same extent. I think Christmas should be moved to the summer, anyway, say in August, and maybe we wouldn't get so many suicides.

For us Christmas is in the summer (Southern Hemisphere) and it makes no difference to the suicide rates. Over Christmas it is all to do with loneliness, not just winter blues.
Sonaj
05-07-2006, 19:05
I say we move Valentine's Day to April 31st.
Sumamba Buwhan
05-07-2006, 19:15
I dislike Easter the most.
Sumamba Buwhan
05-07-2006, 19:17
Why Sonaj? wouldnt it be better to have on April 1st instead? Think of the nasty practical jokes that could ruin relationships across the land...

will you marry me?

Oh Dave yes!

haha April Fools!
L-rouge
05-07-2006, 23:43
Why Sonaj? wouldnt it be better to have on April 1st instead? Think of the nasty practical jokes that could ruin relationships across the land...

will you marry me?

Oh Dave yes!

haha April Fools!
LOL :D
Maineiacs
05-07-2006, 23:53
Christmas, its too Jesusy. And I hate that guy so yeah.


"Jesus was alright, but his followers were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting things that ruins it for me."

:D
Conscience and Truth
06-07-2006, 00:08
The only holiday on that list that should even be allowed is Halloween.

4th of July encourages racism and intolerance of other cultures.

Valentine's, Easter, Thanksgiving and Christmas can't be holidays because of the First Amendment, which requires separation of church and state. And, even if the First Amendment was abolished by the republicans, then they should also be banned because they are racist and cause intolerance of other religions, such as Islam and Sikhism.

Halloween is OK because it encourages tolerance of different lifestyles.
Llewdor
06-07-2006, 00:12
Thanksgiving.

Partly because you hold it too late.
M3rcenaries
06-07-2006, 00:48
Valentines day, because its in Febuary, and because you don't get the day off.
Hydac
06-07-2006, 03:47
The only holiday on that list that should even be allowed is Halloween.

4th of July encourages racism and intolerance of other cultures.

Valentine's, Easter, Thanksgiving and Christmas can't be holidays because of the First Amendment, which requires separation of church and state. And, even if the First Amendment was abolished by the republicans, then they should also be banned because they are racist and cause intolerance of other religions, such as Islam and Sikhism.

Halloween is OK because it encourages tolerance of different lifestyles.

Let me guess one of your teachers told you that right?
Celestial Paranoia
06-07-2006, 04:07
Columbus Day?
Schwarzchild
06-07-2006, 05:53
I detest any holiday made up by a greeting card company.
Empress_Suiko
06-07-2006, 05:57
The only holiday on that list that should even be allowed is Halloween.

4th of July encourages racism and intolerance of other cultures.

Valentine's, Easter, Thanksgiving and Christmas can't be holidays because of the First Amendment, which requires separation of church and state. And, even if the First Amendment was abolished by the republicans, then they should also be banned because they are racist and cause intolerance of other religions, such as Islam and Sikhism.

Halloween is OK because it encourages tolerance of different lifestyles.


Muslims celebrate christmas.
Hydac
07-07-2006, 05:52
The only holiday on that list that should even be allowed is Halloween.

4th of July encourages racism and intolerance of other cultures..

Care to explain how?

Valentine's, Easter, Thanksgiving and Christmas can't be holidays because of the First Amendment, which requires separation of church and state. And, even if the First Amendment was abolished by the republicans, then they should also be banned because they are racist and cause intolerance of other religions, such as Islam and Sikhism.

Valentine's Day is primarily a holiday to celebrate love and relaitonships.
Easter always falls on a Sunday so most places are closed anyway.
Thanksgiving is a commnerationof the Pilgrims and the assistance they recieved from the Native Americans.
Christmas has been commericalized and secularized to the point that no longer has any religious meaning to most people.

As for your First Amendment statement, take off your tin foil hat and join the real world.

Halloween is OK because it encourages tolerance of different lifestyles.

If you say so.
Not bad
07-07-2006, 05:59
Valentines Day should be renamed Hell for the Unloved day.
Earth Day is the most overhyped useless day.
Arbor day really upsets me the most though. Damned green things with brown centers.
Markreich
08-07-2006, 11:57
The only holiday on that list that should even be allowed is Halloween.

4th of July encourages racism and intolerance of other cultures.

Celebrating the founding of the greatest cultural melting pot and most tolerant country of all time is racist? :rolleyes:

Valentine's, Easter, Thanksgiving and Christmas can't be holidays because of the First Amendment, which requires separation of church and state.

Um, no, it does not. READ THE CONSTITUTION, don't just take someone's word for it:

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

... Having a day off is by no means establishing a religion, nor is it prohibiting the free exercise of any religion.
By your logic, is having a Martin Luther King Day making everyone black? Of course not! Ergo, having a Christmas holiday does not make everyone Christian. (Never mind that the US is 75% Christian anyway).

BTW, please explain what religion Thanksgiving belongs to. :confused:

Freedom to celebrate religion (or choose not to) is NOT freedom FROM religion.

And, even if the First Amendment was abolished by the republicans, then they should also be banned because they are racist and cause intolerance of other religions, such as Islam and Sikhism.

Halloween is OK because it encourages tolerance of different lifestyles.


Republicans are all racists?? Wow, you do paint with a wide brush. That's like someone saying that all Democrats love to drown women. :headbang:

Um, what? Kids dressing up in costumes and asking for candy encourages what? :rolleyes:
Yootopia
08-07-2006, 12:07
Care to explain how?
By promoting the idea that the US is in some way superior.
Valentine's Day is primarily a holiday to celebrate love and relaitonships.
Very true.
Easter always falls on a Sunday so most places are closed anyway.
Not in the UK, and you can't really spend a whole day eating eggs :(
Thanksgiving is a commnerationof the Pilgrims and the assistance they recieved from the Native Americans.
Do you have "We're sorry we annihilated and oppressed you" day on the other days, then?
Christmas has been commericalized and secularized to the point that no longer has any religious meaning to most people.
Indeed. Happy Holidays my arse. I'm an atheist and I wish people a merry Christmas.
BogMarsh
08-07-2006, 12:08
But we could spend an entire day eating Yorkshire Puddings!
Cannot think of a name
08-07-2006, 12:17
I'm going to go with Thanksgiving, here's the breakdown-

Yeah, 4th of July is a lot of flag waving and all that nonsense, but with my criticisms and whatever else I'm not opposed to at least a day to find something cool about where I live. And I get to blow shit up, always cool.

Christmas is a big pain in the ass, especially with the new tradition of all the red herring bitching about the 'War on Christmas' bullshit and rabid consumerism and all that other bullshit, but amidst all of that nonsense there is that glimmer, that one person who is extra nice or whatever, something in there. Plus, we need a holiday or we start to go nuts, which is why we introduced it in the first place (at least according to that History Channel thing I watched, never really looked any further than that...). And you get shit and can give shit to other people with out it being totally awkward.

Easter can actually end up being avoided more or less, some cool candy comes out that you can't get the rest of the year. Hiding eggs and watching my nephew get really confused has its qualities.

Valentines day can suck hard but if you have someone it can...look you know the reversal I was going to do there...

Halloween is really just an excuse to play dress up and either get candy or party. Can't argue with a quality party. I don't do either, but I can certainly appriciate the charm.

But, while to a degree the 4th is kind of a "fuck you" holiday at this point England is over it for the most part we can agree we're better off 'just friends,' Thanksgiving is really much more of a 'fuck you' holiday, "thanks for sorting out the winter for us or whatever, but pretty soon we're going to be total dicks." But that's not even my real beef, it's the starting gun for the worst part of the holiday season. It's celebration at its most artificial, pretending there wasn't a reason you moved so far away from your family while waiting for a too big dinner and that's pretty much it. The danger that some family member might actually make people say what your thankful for...it's just a pain in the ass of a holiday. And then the shopping. Can't stand it, get nothing out of it, and it starts what for me was the worst part of the year for a while when I worked retail. Even as a free lancer it's not great because work starts to dry up during that period. I could do without it.
Yootopia
08-07-2006, 12:28
But we could spend an entire day eating Yorkshire Puddings!
They're oh-so-tasty, but to be honest, if I spent a whole day eating them, then the sheer fat content would give me spots the likes of which the world has never seen.

Bah... teenage hormones... who'd have 'em?
The State of Georgia
08-07-2006, 14:08
Halloween
Christmas
Valentines Day
Easter

Since when have these been solely American?
Cannot think of a name
08-07-2006, 14:12
Halloween
Christmas
Valentines Day
Easter

Since when have these been solely American?
I don't think it was a matter of being soley American, but rather how they where celibrated in the states, how we go about it.
Boonytopia
08-07-2006, 14:21
Halloween
Christmas
Valentines Day
Easter

Since when have these been solely American?

In Australia, Halloween & Valentines Day are not holidays.

We do have a four day weekend for Easter (Good Friday, Saturday, Sunday & Easter Monday).

We also have Christmas Day, Boxing Day (26/12) and New Year's Day in quick succession.