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but it's my favourite holiday so I'm already excited about it and planning my costume. The problem is that I can't find a pattern for what I want to make.

I want to be Deanna Troi from the first episode, where she wore the short skirt uniform.

Would anyone know a good place to acquire such a pattern? I've been googling to no avail, the closest I found was this one site that looks a little sketchy...

I hate Hallowe'en with a passion. It's an evil 'holiday'.

Wow.

i also hat halloween and am planning to bash the heads of any kids stupid enough to try and get sweets off me

I hate Hallowe'en with a passion. It's an evil 'holiday'.
Well, I think it's awesome and there's nothing evil about playing dress up and getting free candy.

It's the best of all the bastardized pagan holidays.

I'm going to throw eggs at trick & treaters, its time for revenge!

but it's my favourite holiday so I'm already excited about it and planning my costume. The problem is that I can't find a pattern for what I want to make.

I want to be Deanna Troi from the first episode, where she wore the short skirt uniform.

Would anyone know a good place to acquire such a pattern? I've been googling to no avail, the closest I found was this one site that looks a little sketchy...
http://www.neweyestudio.com/stc2u.htm

It's called a skant, apparently.

Well, I think it's awesome and there's nothing evil about playing dress up and getting free candy.

It's the best of all the bastardized pagan holidays.
It's a terrible thing.

You are essentially teaching children to go out and hold people to ransom, and 'punish' them if they don't pay up.

Great idea, that. :rolleyes:

Well, I think it's awesome and there's nothing evil about playing dress up and getting free candy.

It's the best of all the bastardized pagan holidays.
If I run across anything you could usein my web wanderings I'll TG you.

I hate Hallowe'en with a passion. It's an evil 'holiday'.


I hate it too, but just because its really stupid.

but it's my favourite holiday so I'm already excited about it and planning my costume. The problem is that I can't find a pattern for what I want to make.

I want to be Deanna Troi from the first episode, where she wore the short skirt uniform.

Would anyone know a good place to acquire such a pattern? I've been googling to no avail, the closest I found was this one site that looks a little sketchy...
You can buy the costume from a Star Trek dealer, if you know one around (I only know local, and I doubt you want to fly here for fittings since they are custom made) or you can try Amazon for a book, I have the a book for the original series with patterns (okay the measurments for patterns) for the uniforms, I would assume that they have one for TNG, but they are expensive, the best idea is to find out the ISBN and check it out from the Library.

Also I have this book (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345495861/ref=pd_bbs_null_6/103-7066550-9262219?s=dvd&v=glance&n=130) which has patterns for I know at least TOS and TNG. (which is where Troi is from, but I don't know if it's got her dress or just her officer's uniform)


and if anyone really is wondering, yes we all go to conventions, and yes we all dress up. :D

Or, it's a time for kids to dress up in cute costumes and get rewarded for being cute.

:rolleyes:

How about Christmas -- does it teach kids to sit on pedophile's laps and accept toys in exchange for their silence? :rolleyes:

Dakini, see my link above: http://www.neweyestudio.com/stc2u.htm

Or, it's a time for kids to dress up in cute costumes and get rewarded for being cute.

:rolleyes:

How about Christmas -- does it teach kids to sit on pedophile's laps and accept toys in exchange for their silence? :rolleyes:
hmm, let me think:

One is where children get presents from their family.

Another is where they go out and threaten strangers.

A lot of people get terrified on Hallowe'en, especially older people. Kids are one thing, but when they're teenagers and still doing it it's very intimidating.

but it's my favourite holiday so I'm already excited about it and planning my costume. The problem is that I can't find a pattern for what I want to make.

I want to be Deanna Troi from the first episode, where she wore the short skirt uniform.

Would anyone know a good place to acquire such a pattern? I've been googling to no avail, the closest I found was this one site that looks a little sketchy...
I can't help you, I just want you to post pictures when you do.

Gah you people are worse than feminists!

hmm, let me think:

One is where children get presents from their family.

Another is where they go out and threaten strangers.

A lot of people get terrified on Hallowe'en, especially older people. Kids are one thing, but when they're teenagers and still doing it it's very intimidating.

Threatening strangers?
What planet are you from?
These days, what parent would take their kid to a stranger's house to get food?

And teens are much too old to be doing it -- as are adults.

http://www.neweyestudio.com/stc2u.htm

It's called a skant, apparently.
Awe That is so cute I totally need a star trek costume now!
Halloween is one of my favourites too. Its ALWAYS a good idea to get your costume ready well ahead of time and keep a few costumes on hand in case you can't find what you want. I have a Nun and a Pirate and I'm looking to aquire more costumes!!!

It's a terrible thing.

You are essentially teaching children to go out and hold people to ransom, and 'punish' them if they don't pay up.

Great idea, that. :rolleyes:
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I can't believe you're serious about this. No kid I've ever seen actually thinks they should "trick" people if they don't get their treats. It's just an old childrens rhyme that is meant to amuse them, nothing more.

What I don't like is when people are too idiotic about their children's safety as they go out to trick-or-treat. I'd accompany my children, personally. But that's just me.

Awe That is so cute I totally need a star trek costume now!
Halloween is one of my favourites too. Its ALWAYS a good idea to get your costume ready well ahead of time and keep a few costumes on hand in case you can't find what you want. I have a Nun and a Pirate and I'm looking to aquire more costumes!!!

Actually, with a few pieces you can mix and match many different costumes. A poet's shirt, a bodysuit, leggings, a long t-shirt and a belt can be accessoried with a LOT to make many different costumes.

I hate Hallowe'en with a passion. It's an evil 'holiday'.
Pff. You want evil, you should check out the thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=490486) I just created...



(worst. plug. ever.)

Threatening strangers?
What planet are you from?
These days, what parent would take their kid to a stranger's house to get food?

And teens are much too old to be doing it -- as are adults.
If it wasn't a problem, the Police wouldn't distribute leaflets for the elderly every year and give up 'no trick or treat please' posters for people.

The very concept is a flawed one to be teaching children. "Tell people to give you things or else, and you'll get sweets!"

Threatening strangers?
What planet are you from?
These days, what parent would take their kid to a stranger's house to get food?

And teens are much too old to be doing it -- as are adults.
That's what the Exotic Erotic Ball is for. I was going to add a link but I couldn't be sure it didn't contain pornographic content and threading that needle while quoting a mod, well...

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I can't believe you're serious about this. No kid I've ever seen actually thinks they should "trick" people if they don't get their treats. It's just an old childrens rhyme that is meant to amuse them, nothing more.

What I don't like is when people are too idiotic about their children's safety as they go out to trick-or-treat. I'd accompany my children, personally. But that's just me.

Mostly parents are too unreasonabley scared to let their kids go trick or treating. Streets are so empty on halloween its depressing. :(

Gah you people are worse than feminists!

-gasp- horrible!

That's what the Exotic Erotic Ball is for. I was going to add a link but I couldn't be sure it didn't contain pornographic content and threading that needle while quoting a mod, well...

San Francisco, right?
I've heard of it -- and yes, it wouldn't be worksafe. I've heard the masquerade is amazing -- yet I don't believe they are ringing people's doorbells.

Be careful of those terroristic six year olds though. You never know when Anakin Skywalker will slice you in half with his plastic lightsaber, or Cinderella may burn down your house.

The very concept is a flawed one to be teaching children. "Tell people to give you things or else, and you'll get sweets!"
I've trick or treated for like 15 years and I don't demand things from anyone.

San Francisco, right?
I've heard of it -- and yes, it wouldn't be worksafe. I've heard the masquerade is amazing -- yet I don't believe they are ringing people's doorbells.

Be careful of those terroristic six year olds though. You never know when Anakin Skywalker will slice you in half with his plastic lightsaber, or Cinderella may burn down your house.
I wore a Worf costume once, including a mask. I even carried around a plastic bat'leth. People were scared shitless of me. I got a lot more candy than I normally did. A shame that just a year later my nine year old body had grown too much for the costume to fit...

If it wasn't a problem, the Police wouldn't distribute leaflets for the elderly every year and give up 'no trick or treat please' posters for people.

The very concept is a flawed one to be teaching children. "Tell people to give you things or else, and you'll get sweets!"

I thought it is the rule of Halloween that if the house outside light is not on then you are to skip that house. No confusion there.

San Francisco, right?
I've heard of it -- and yes, it wouldn't be worksafe. I've heard the masquerade is amazing -- yet I don't believe they are ringing people's doorbells.

Be careful of those terroristic six year olds though. You never know when Anakin Skywalker will slice you in half with his plastic lightsaber, or Cinderella may burn down your house.
They have one in NY now too, apparently...I worked the set up crew for the SF one last year. It's weird being done with naked people.

I wore a Worf costume once, including a mask. I even carried around a plastic bat'leth. People were scared shitless of me. I got a lot more candy than I normally did. A shame that just a year later my nine year old body had grown too much for the costume to fit...
plastic?! you poor kids, we have a real one, and if it didn't weigh so much I would let my 5 year old add it to her costume....

*actually it's not a toy, it's a real weapon and I really will use it if I need to. :D when hubby was out of town I slept with it, although I did have disturbing nightmares about it.

I thought it is the rule of Halloween that if the house outside light is not on then you are to skip that house. No confusion there.
I have a buddy who puts out an empty bowl with a sign that says "Please Take One"-makes it look like he did have candy but some kid dicked everybody over, thus avoiding egg-fueled retrobution.

when hubby was out of town I slept with it, although I did have disturbing nightmares about it.

You have to admit, out of context, it sounds bizarre. ;)

-gasp- horrible!
Well it's true!

I thought bitching over Miss America was stupid.. this is worse.

By far.

plastic?! you poor kids, we have a real one, and if it didn't weigh so much I would let my 5 year old add it to her costume....

*actually it's not a toy, it's a real weapon and I really will use it if I need to. :D when hubby was out of town I slept with it, although I did have disturbing nightmares about it.
Yeah, see, that's the thing about my parents: they hate weapons in the house. I have been attempting to purchase a firearm for some time now that I'm old enough to own one legally, and they've told me in no uncertain terms that if I bring a firearm into the house I will be kicked out. Period. The same goes for any actual bladed weapons, such as a sword or, in this case, a real bat'leth.

Be careful of those terroristic six year olds though. You never know when Anakin Skywalker will slice you in half with his plastic lightsaber, or Cinderella may burn down your house.
Last year, a six year old dressed like a clown, pointed a glock at me and took all the sixlets.

You have to admit, out of context, it sounds bizarre. ;)
I do infact have a bizarre relationship with my Klingon weapon ;) I learned to use it and everything.

(that's not much better is it?:D )

Yeah, see, that's the thing about my parents: they hate weapons in the house. I have been attempting to purchase a firearm for some time now that I'm old enough to own one legally, and they've told me in no uncertain terms that if I bring a firearm into the house I will be kicked out. Period. The same goes for any actual bladed weapons, such as a sword or, in this case, a real bat'leth.
I am not cool with a gun in the house, but a bat'leth I can deal with, I am weird like that, I guess it's because I have shown my kids how much damage it actually can cause and that even if you are careful you can cut your own leg off if you don't have complete control.

I might get a gun after they are old enough to go to the shooting range and learn gun saftey and actually get to shoot some stuff. ;)

It's a terrible thing.

You are essentially teaching children to go out and hold people to ransom, and 'punish' them if they don't pay up.

Great idea, that. :rolleyes:
How are the kids punishing people if they don't give them candy or holding anyone for ransom?
Besides, it's not like you're obliged to give out candy, you just don't turn your lights on for the evening or put out a pumkin and the kids get the picture. Some of us like a thing called fun, however, so we participate.

http://www.neweyestudio.com/stc2u.htm

It's called a skant, apparently.
That seems to be the most promising thing so far, my only issue is that the website looks a little sketchy and the shipping on that's pretty expensive. I guess I'll give them a call when I'm back at home and can use my skype phone to call them up though.

Another is where they go out and threaten strangers.

A lot of people get terrified on Hallowe'en, especially older people. Kids are one thing, but when they're teenagers and still doing it it's very intimidating.
You're joking, right?

I do infact have a bizarre relationship with my Klingon weapon ;) I learned to use it and everything.

(that's not much better is it?:D )


I am not cool with a gun in the house, but a bat'leth I can deal with, I am weird like that, I guess it's because I have shown my kids how much damage it actually can cause and that even if you are careful you can cut your own leg off if you don't have complete control.

I might get a gun after they are old enough to go to the shooting range and learn gun saftey and actually get to shoot some stuff. ;)
See, this is why I like you, Smunkee. You're reasonable on just about any issue, unlike a lot of people I know.

I can't help you, I just want you to post pictures when you do.
Well, if you buy me tickets to Toronto Trek, I'll get it done faster. ;)

I hate Hallowe'en with a passion. It's an evil 'holiday'.



Halloween is awesome, It's Thanksgiving, the 4th of July and Christmas that bug me.

How are the kids punishing people if they don't give them candy or holding anyone for ransom?
Besides, it's not like you're obliged to give out candy, you just don't turn your lights on for the evening or put out a pumkin and the kids get the picture. Some of us like a thing called fun, however, so we participate.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/4402264.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4397494.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/4654892.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4435612.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/4425822.stm

Just a quick search brings up these, all from one year.

But hey, it's just a bit of fun.

See, this is why I like you, Smunkee. You're reasonable on just about any issue, unlike a lot of people I know.
yeah, you should tell that to my kid, she is still mad at me because I wouldn't let her go swiming with the neighbors, I didn't think it was the greatest idea seeing as I couldn't go keep an eye on her and I don't trust them, and oh, yeah it's about to storm.

I say "I don't want you dead before fireworks, that's all"

she is pissed, she is in her room now, apparently daddy didn't like her tone of voice.......poor poor kid. :p

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/4402264.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4397494.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/4654892.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4435612.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/4425822.stm

Just a quick search brings up these, all from one year.

But hey, it's just a bit of fun.
Oh please, kids egg houses year round around here they don't need Hallowe'en as an excuse. Actually, my parent's house has never been egged on Hallowe'en, it has been egged in the middle of the summer though, stupid children being out of school.

Also, your last article isn't even a hallowe'en thing, it's just that two men used hallowe'en type masks to rob a store. That's hardly a link between hallowe'en and violence. Same goes with your third link.
Stop being a paranoid doofus.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/4402264.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4397494.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/4654892.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4435612.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/4425822.stm

Just a quick search brings up these, all from one year.

But hey, it's just a bit of fun.
You're holding a shot gun and looking out your window right now, arent you?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/4402264.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4397494.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/4654892.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4435612.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/4425822.stm

Just a quick search brings up these, all from one year.

But hey, it's just a bit of fun.
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:headbang:

Yes, let's take out a few incidents among the MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of children every year that go out trick or treating. Sheesh. It's not a bad thing on the whole. ANYTHING is going to have some bad aspects. You're the kind of person I'd expect would be so protective of their children that you might as well place them in a sensory-deprived chamber for their entire lives to prevent them from feeling any negative sensation whatsoever.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/4402264.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4397494.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/4654892.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4435612.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/4425822.stm

Just a quick search brings up these, all from one year.

But hey, it's just a bit of fun.

Halloween is a bit of a nightmare sometimes in the UK.

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:headbang:

Yes, let's take out a few incidents among the MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of children every year that go out trick or treating. Sheesh. It's not a bad thing on the whole. ANYTHING is going to have some bad aspects. You're the kind of person I'd expect would be so protective of their children that you might as well place them in a sensory-deprived chamber for their entire lives to prevent them from feeling any negative sensation whatsoever.
You're not listening to me. It's not that 'some are spoiling the fun'. It is that the very concept is a flawed one, and not something to teach children.

Padding children is one thing; teaching them to hold people to ransom is another.

yeah, you should tell that to my kid, she is still mad at me because I wouldn't let her go swiming with the neighbors, I didn't think it was the greatest idea seeing as I couldn't go keep an eye on her and I don't trust them, and oh, yeah it's about to storm.

I say "I don't want you dead before fireworks, that's all"

she is pissed, she is in her room now, apparently daddy didn't like her tone of voice.......poor poor kid. :p
That's just the way a kid thinks. If it's not exactly what they want, then it's unfair, unreasonable, and completely, utterly stupid. They can't concieve of how it might not be yet. It's just how it works. I know I was the EXACT same way when I was that age.

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:headbang:

Yes, let's take out a few incidents among the MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of children every year that go out trick or treating. Sheesh. It's not a bad thing on the whole. ANYTHING is going to have some bad aspects. You're the kind of person I'd expect would be so protective of their children that you might as well place them in a sensory-deprived chamber for their entire lives to prevent them from feeling any negative sensation whatsoever.
Only one of those even involved children at all. Two of them were the same story and two of them involved adults wearing masks at times of the year that weren't even anywhere near Hallowe'en.

You're not listening to me. It's not that 'some are spoiling the fun'. It is that the very concept is a flawed one, and not something to teach children.

Padding children is one thing; teaching them to hold people to ransom is another.
They're not holding people for ransom, stop being so unreasonably paranoid.

Halloween is a bit of a nightmare sometimes in the UK.
I didn't think the celebrated it in the UK. I thought they had Guy fox night instead. Or is that old fashioned?

Only one of those even involved children at all. Two of them were the same story and two of them involved adults wearing masks at times of the year that weren't even anywhere near Hallowe'en.
LAWL

You're not listening to me. It's not that 'some are spoiling the fun'. It is that the very concept is a flawed one, and not something to teach children.

Padding children is one thing; teaching them to hold people to ransom is another.
It's not teaching them to hold people to ransom! No child actually thinks that! You know what the kids think?

"Halloween! I love Halloween! I get free candy!"

That's it! They get free candy. They're not thinking "Oooh... how can I wring the most out of this? How can I hurt other people the most to get what I want?" They just want free candy, and Halloween, nowadays, is about giving them free candy. That's it. You're taking the old rhyme way too seriously.

LAWL
I know. I think he just ran a search for "Hallowe'en" and then the term "Hallowe'en masks" came up and he linked it without reading it.

Only one of those even involved children at all. Two of them were the same story and two of them involved adults wearing masks at times of the year that weren't even anywhere near Hallowe'en.
I wasn't able to read the stories because--once again--my DSL modem refused to let me view anything on the BBC website. So I just assumed he had read them thoroughly and spoke accordingly. My bad. I expected too much out of him.

They're not holding people for ransom, stop being so unreasonably paranoid.
Paranoid?

Examples of leaflets distributed by the Police:
http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/images/literature-catalogue/crime-prevention/trick-large.jpg
http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/reduction/saferhomes/safehome/trick-images/colour.jpg
http://www.essex.police.uk/halloween/hw_ban02.gif

I wasn't able to read the stories because--once again--my DSL modem refused to let me view anything on the BBC website. So I just assumed he had read them thoroughly and spoke accordingly. My bad. I expected too much out of him.
Oh, actually, the story that he posted that was doubled was about adults in Hallowe'en masks too.

I know. I think he just ran a search for "Hallowe'en" and then the term "Hallowe'en masks" came up and he linked it without reading it.
It was a search on the BBC News website for Halloween. Try it, and read the 10+ pages of links I didn't post.

Paranoid?

Examples of leaflets distributed by the Police:
http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/images/literature-catalogue/crime-prevention/trick-large.jpg
http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/reduction/saferhomes/safehome/trick-images/colour.jpg
http://www.essex.police.uk/halloween/hw_ban02.gif
Did you bother looking at these?

The first one is telling children how to stay safe for hallowe'en, to keep them from getting hit by cars, abducted or poisoned.
The second one is just to be posted for people who don't want trick or treaters.
The third one isn't even a leaflet, it says "click here" on it, unless you have some super fancy leaflets over there that you can click on, that's a button from a website.

I didn't think the celebrated it in the UK. I thought they had Guy fox night instead. Or is that old fashioned?

Two different holidays.

Near as I can tell they sort of tried to adopt the US way of celebrating Halloween in the not-too-terribly-distant past and it all went pear shaped on them.

Did you bother looking at these?

The first one is telling children how to stay safe for hallowe'en, to keep them from getting hit by cars, abducted or poisoned.
The second one is just to be posted for people who don't want trick or treaters.
The third one isn't even a leaflet, it says "click here" on it, unless you have some super fancy leaflets over there that you can click on, that's a button from a website.
There are pages of stuff on this that comes up from even the quickest of search, and the best you can say in reply is 'that's not a very good link'?

Paranoid?

Examples of leaflets distributed by the Police:
http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/images/literature-catalogue/crime-prevention/trick-large.jpg
http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/reduction/saferhomes/safehome/trick-images/colour.jpg
http://www.essex.police.uk/halloween/hw_ban02.gif

The first one is excellent advice for trick or treaters. Just common sense really.
The second is a little frightening. Its like if you ring their doorbell its a total threat to them.

It was a search on the BBC News website for Halloween. Try it, and read the 10+ pages of links I didn't post.
And only one of those stories you posted didn't involve an adult in a Hallowe'en mask committing some sort of criminal activity. Chances are the majority of the crimes in that section are people in Hallowe'en masks, not about the holiday itself.

I didn't think the celebrated it in the UK. I thought they had Guy fox night instead. Or is that old fashioned?
It used to be celebrated in a low key way, with kids parties and that. The american way of trick or treat is something that's taken off over here over the last twenty (?) years or so.

Our big autumn festival is indeed Guy Fawks night, which comes slightly later. That's when we unship the fireworks.

As to whether Halloween's a bad time over here, it depends very much on local conditions. Where I live now, it's just a load of innocent fun with kids in costume running round the local streets being cute and supervised. Where I used to live in South London, things could get dodgy. Then again, come Guy Fawks night, we had kids on shop roofs lining the high street firing rockets at passers-by, so meh ....

There are pages of stuff on this that comes up from even the quickest of search, and the best you can say in reply is 'that's not a very good link'?
No, the best I can say is that you're misrepresenting what these things are.

Like I said, the first is advice to trick-or-treaters on how to stay safe. Considering that your stance is that Hallowe'en is not good fun as it teaches children to hold people hostages until they get candy and the police are reacting accordingly, this poster does not serve to help your point. If the police were so concerned about the trick-or-treating phenomenon, they would be telling children not to trick-or-treat, not how to do it safely.

The second is obviously just for the purposes of posting on one's door if one does not want to celebrate the holiday. Again, this is not serving to warn people about how terrible trick-or-treaters are.

And the third isn't even a leaflet.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/4402264.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4397494.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/4654892.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4435612.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/4425822.stm

Just a quick search brings up these, all from one year.

But hey, it's just a bit of fun.
So in other words, American children know how to have a bit of fun and Brit children are hooligans?

So in other words, American children know how to have a bit of fun and Brit children are hooligans?
Click the links, only one of them is in any way related to children.

No, the best I can say is that you're misrepresenting what these things are.

Like I said, the first is advice to trick-or-treaters on how to stay safe. Considering that your stance is that Hallowe'en is not good fun as it teaches children to hold people hostages until they get candy and the police are reacting accordingly, this poster does not serve to help your point. If the police were so concerned about the trick-or-treating phenomenon, they would be telling children not to trick-or-treat, not how to do it safely.

The second is obviously just for the purposes of posting on one's door if one does not want to celebrate the holiday. Again, this is not serving to warn people about how terrible trick-or-treaters are.

And the third isn't even a leaflet.
I'm not getting bogged down on links found through a quick search. They were Googled; they're not on my favourites as Biblical material. Like them or not, however, I think they say a lot about a 'festival' concerned with ransom and threats.

Studies show that children who trick or treat grow up to become people who rob stores for candy!!!!!! FOR REALZZ!!!

So in other words, American children know how to have a bit of fun and Brit children are hooligans?
That's another argument, and ultimately irrelevant to the point; the very nature of Halloween is to teach children to threaten in order to get their own way.

It was a search on the BBC News website for Halloween. Try it, and read the 10+ pages of links I didn't post.
By the way, I ran the search for Halloween -mask and I got 185 pages, the first page features tips for planning a Halloween party, poems about Halloween, a story about a fireworks show for Halloween, ghost stories, nothing negative actually.

I'm not getting bogged down on links found through a quick search. They were Googled; they're not on my favourites as Biblical material. Like them or not, however, I think they say a lot about a 'festival' concerned with ransom and threats.


In other words, "I don't care that the articles I posted really don't support the ridiculous argument that I've made that Halloween turns children into kidnappers. It says Halloween, doesn't it?"


ransom - 1 : a consideration paid or demanded for the release of someone or something from captivity

Who's been captivated? No one.

threat - 1 : an expression of intention to inflict evil, injury, or damage
Again, who's being threatened? No one.



*sniff sniff*

What's that wafting from under that bridge?

That's another argument, and ultimately irrelevant to the point; the very nature of Halloween is to teach children to threaten in order to get their own way.
No, it isn't.
The nature of Hallowe'en is to teach children to go out, get dressed up, get rediclous amounts of sugar and come home hyper as hell.

That's another argument, and ultimately irrelevant to the point; the very nature of Halloween is to teach children to threaten in order to get their own way.

Is your problem with the phrase "Trick or treat"?

Would it be easier on your mind if the kids asked politely for candy?

I'm not getting bogged down on links found through a quick search. They were Googled; they're not on my favourites as Biblical material. Like them or not, however, I think they say a lot about a 'festival' concerned with ransom and threats.

You've already been answered calmly and logically and refuse to admit you were wrong. You also keep posting the same statement over and over as if you hope mere repetition will convince people. I think we shouldjust start mocking you until you go to another thread since we can't seem to engage your intellect in this.

Intellect ha! you wouldn't know a thought if it bit you.
Your hair smells like parmesan!
You probably shout 'Hey you kids. Stop having fun where I can see you! I don't stand fer no younguns to be having fun when I can't anymore'

C'mon everyone lets the irrational paranoid! its fun. :D

In other words, "I don't care that the articles I posted really don't support the ridiculous argument that I've made that Halloween turns children into kidnappers. It says Halloween, doesn't it?"

*sniff sniff*

What's that wafting from under that bridge?
:rolleyes:

Or, in other words, "I'm going to dismiss pages of evidence that supports the argument because I don't like it."

I said I wasn't getting bogged down on those particular links. I didn't say they were irrelevant.

I'm not getting bogged down on links found through a quick search. They were Googled; they're not on my favourites as Biblical material. Like them or not, however, I think they say a lot about a 'festival' concerned with ransom and threats.
If you're not going to bother making sure that something supports your point, then why on earth are you posting it?
I don't have links at my disposal for every argument, so I pick through a lot and sort out which ones actually support my point instead of just posting the first links I come accross. I usually try to find a website that isn't terribly biased as well (for instance if I'm discussing christianity I won't pick an article from either a strictly christian source or an obviously atheistic one) it takes a little more time to find good sources, but it makes for better support of one's arguments. Instead of doing this, you just chose the first things you came accross and what do you know, they completely disagreed with your initial point.

That being said, lighten the fuck up and have some fun.

Or, in other words, "I'm going to dismiss pages of evidence that supports the argument because I don't like it."

I said I wasn't getting bogged down on those particular links. I didn't say they were irrelevant.
Your pages of evidence didn't support your argument, that's the point.

Is your problem with the phrase "Trick or treat"?

Would it be easier on your mind if the kids asked politely for candy?
Yes, the problem is with Trick or Treat specifically. Asking politely, however, does not remove the nature of the threat.

Is your problem with the phrase "Trick or treat"?

Would it be easier on your mind if the kids asked politely for candy?
I don't know why he's getting so pissy about this. He's the Hallowe'en Scrooge apparantly. It's not like these kids don't have their parents lecturing them to say "Thank you" after receiving the candy or anything like that.

Yes, the problem is with Trick or Treat specifically. Asking politely, however, does not remove the nature of the threat.
The threat?

A 5 year old in a fairy princess costume is a threat?

You've already been answered calmly and logically and refuse to admit you were wrong. You also keep posting the same statement over and over as if you hope mere repetition will convince people. I think we shouldjust start mocking you until you go to another thread since we can't seem to engage your intellect in this.

C'mon everyone lets the irrational paranoid! its fun. :D
No one has answered anything calmly and logically. What people have said is "but we think it's fun! Therefore, if you have a problem with it, you're no fun! Whaa whaa whaaaa!"

Why should I post a different statement? It doesn't become invalid because you think it's great fun to frighten people.

The threat?

A 5 year old in a fairy princess costume is a threat?
LMFAO

The threat?

A 5 year old in a fairy princess costume is a threat?
*leaps under the covers*

Oooh yes...I could tell you stories...so many stories...the horror...THE HORROR!

No one has answered anything calmly and logically. What people have said is "but we think it's fun! Therefore, if you have a problem with it, you're no fun! Whaa whaa whaaaa!"
Actually, no, we've pointed out that your proofs of your argument are not proofs of your argument. If you wish to find other links that actually support your argument that's up to you to do.

Why should I post a different statement? It doesn't become invalid because you think it's great fun to frighten people.
You should try actually supporting the statement instead of just repeating it like a mantra.

Yes, the problem is with Trick or Treat specifically. Asking politely, however, does not remove the nature of the threat.
" Please may I have some candy " Is not a threat. It doesn't imply that you will do something bad if you do not get any candy.

Usually its those who have the candy that make you work for it. By walking thru their spookily decorated yard. Its really the trick or treaters who are being threatened and of course it is always their choice to go trick or treating or not.

Yes, the problem is with Trick or Treat specifically. Asking politely, however, does not remove the nature of the threat.

Now we are getting somewhere.

Assuming for the sake of argument that the kids came up to doors on Halloween and said "May I have some candy please?" what would the nature of the threat be?

The threat?

A 5 year old in a fairy princess costume is a threat?
People are killed on Halloween. People are terrified on Halloween. And rather than accept this fact, you just go 'oh, but it's just five year olds in costume'.

It is not that simple.

Everyone has answered everything calmly and logically. What I like to do is mine my flower gardens so the ninjas don't get me Mwhaaahaaaa!"

Why should I post a different statement? I can't think of any others and I've stopped taking mymedication because THEY put stuff in it you know...

If you can't see the point that people were trying to make by now I see little point is trying to explain further so I'm going to keep making fun of you because you are SUCH a silly man.

People are killed on Halloween. People are terrified on Halloween. And rather than accept this fact, you just go 'oh, but it's just five year olds in costume'.

It is not that simple.
People are killed everyday. People are terrified everyday. So some things can occasionally increase the risks of such events. So what? Should we thusly all hide in our houses, vainly seeking protection? No! That is idealistic and idiotic at best.

People are killed everyday. People are terrified everyday. So some things can occasionally increase the risks of such events. So what? Should we thusly all hide in our houses, vainly seeking protection? No! That is idealistic and idiotic at best.
So, of course, the much better alternative is to teach our children that such behaviour is acceptable and a great big bit of fun.

People are killed on Halloween. People are terrified on Halloween. And rather than accept this fact, you just go 'oh, but it's just five year olds in costume'.

It is not that simple.
But modern Halloween is not about killing people.

So, of course, the much better alternative is to teach our children that such behaviour is acceptable and a great big bit of fun.
Because clearly, letting kids have free candy is teaching them to go out and kill other people. After all, it's what we Americans do best.

The threat?

A 5 year old in a fairy princess costume is a threat?
LMFAO
Seconded.

San Francisco, right?
I've heard of it -- and yes, it wouldn't be worksafe. I've heard the masquerade is amazing -- yet I don't believe they are ringing people's doorbells.

Be careful of those terroristic six year olds though. You never know when Anakin Skywalker will slice you in half with his plastic lightsaber, or Cinderella may burn down your house.

Hehe, the mention of the lightsaber brings to mind what happened at my apartment last year on Halloween. My roommate (who gets really psyched about dressing up for it) decided he was going to (attempt) to dress up as one of the Sith Lords from KOTOR II (he had the Darth Vader F/X lightsaber to go along with his costume). Well, when the first trick-or-treater arrived (while I was asleep), my roommate lit up the lightsaber and opened the door. The kids shreik of terror, and subsequent crying woke me up. It wasn't until my roommate turned off the lightsaber that the kid stopped crying.

We didn't get too many more trick-or-treaters after that, which meant more candy for us. :D

People are killed on Halloween. People are terrified on Halloween. And rather than accept this fact, you just go 'oh, but it's just five year olds in costume'.

It is not that simple.
People are killed and terrified any day of the year.
The difference is that on Hallowe'en the extra infliction of terror is for fun not malicious. If you don't want to go through a haunted house where you're blindfolded and told to put your hands in a bowl of peeled grapes someone tells you are eyeballs, you don't have to.

So, of course, the much better alternative is to teach our children that such behaviour is acceptable and a great big bit of fun.
Well, sometimes it's fun to scare people who are willing to be scared. Sometimes it's fun to be scared. It's always fun to play dress up and it's always fun to eat candy (unless you're diabetic).

:rolleyes:

Or, in other words, "I'm going to dismiss pages of evidence that supports the argument because I don't like it."

I said I wasn't getting bogged down on those particular links. I didn't say they were irrelevant.

The point is, they DON'T support your argument.
And, if the posts you posted weren't relevent, why did you post them?
Really. This makes you look sillier and sillier by the moment.

People are killed and terrified any day of the year.
The difference is that on Hallowe'en the extra infliction of terror is for fun not malicious. If you don't want to go through a haunted house where you're blindfolded and told to put your hands in a bowl of peeled grapes someone tells you are eyeballs, you don't have to.
There is no choice in being 'trick or treated' by a gang of thugs; nor is there any choice in the fear of such a thing when it is real and happens every year; nor is this an irrational fear when the very nature of the event is to go out and ransom.

I seem to be talking to people with only a limited grasp of English. Go and look up 'trick or treat', and a prize for the first person who correctly works out what it means. :)

People are killed on Halloween. People are terrified on Halloween. And rather than accept this fact, you just go 'oh, but it's just five year olds in costume'.

It is not that simple.


Source where people are killed by trick or treaters.
Source where people are terrified.

Please. We'd like to see it. Otherwise, you're just making statements without any support.

The point is, they DON'T support your argument.
And, if the posts you posted weren't relevent, why did you post them?
Really. This makes you look sillier and sillier by the moment.
I don't feel particually silly. So far, the only 'argument' against me is "but it's fun! OMG, you're not fun!!!!!!!"

And, incidently, the fact I didn't feel the need to argue the links still doesn't dismiss their relevancy. They are all about Halloween related crime, and the threat of it. Look it up, and engage your brain.

Please. We'd like to see it. Otherwise, you're just making statements without any support.
And what, exactly, is the statement "it's just a bit of fun, no harm comes of it" if not that?

There is no choice in being 'trick or treated' by a gang of thugs; nor is there any choice in the fear of such a thing when it is real and happens every year; nor is this an irrational fear when the very nature of the event is to go out and ransom.

I seem to be talking to people with only a limited grasp of English. Go and look up 'trick or treat', and a prize for the first person who correctly works out what it means. :)
The words have lost their literal meaning.

Leave Philosopy alone, he does have a good point you know. You lot probably live in nice middle-class areas where the children are well behaved and usually supervised by a parent. It's gets quite bad in council estates in Britain, Halloween isn't really celebrated here. Hardly anyone puts decorations up where I live and most of the kids don't even bother to dress up. They just wonder around banging on peoples doors and asking for sweets or cash. A gang of teenagers can be intimidating you know. I'm sure Philosopy has a good reason for disliking this holiday so much.

There is no choice in being 'trick or treated' by a gang of thugs;
Yes there is, leave your lights off for the evening and don't put a pumkin on your porch. I would also hardly call small children "thugs".

nor is there any choice in the fear of such a thing when it is real and happens every year;
Yes there is, you could learn not to fear small children dressed like goblins.

nor is this an irrational fear when the very nature of the event is to go out and ransom.
Yes, this is an irrational fear and that is not the nature of the event at all.

I seem to be talking to people with only a limited grasp of English.
Except that you don't seem to understand the word "ransom" even though you keep using it.

Go and look up 'trick or treat', and a prize for the first person who correctly works out what it means. :)
Yes, and does this meaning still stick today or is it just said for fun?

Here's my opinion on the whole argument about whether Halloween is evil or not: When I used to go trick-or-treating, I was always respectful, and always said, "thank you" when I got treats. If I didn't get a treat from a house, I made a mental note to not expect anything from them next Halloween. My parents allowed my sisters and I to participate in Halloween, but if we pulled any "tricks", my father would have made us regret it.

My sister and brother in law take their kids trick-or-treating, and they are also of the opinion that the word trick (in trick-or-treat) is meaningless.

And, incidently, the fact I didn't feel the need to argue the links still doesn't dismiss their relevancy. They are all about Halloween related crime, and the threat of it. Look it up, and engage your brain.
Wearing a mask from the movie Hallowe'en while committing a crime hardly makes it a Hallowe'en related crime. :rolleyes:

Wearing a mask from the movie Hallowe'en while committing a crime hardly makes it a Hallowe'en related crime. :rolleyes:
*Shrugs*

You beat that drum. Let's look at links:

Link 1: Complaints about Halloween pranks fell considerably in Gloucester this year according to the city's police.

Link 2: Police have said they are considering a Halloween curfew in parts of Cardiff next year because of the level of anti-social behaviour.

*Shrugs*

You beat that drum. Let's look at links:

Link 1: Complaints about Halloween pranks fell considerably in Gloucester this year according to the city's police.

Link 2: Police have said they are considering a Halloween curfew in parts of Cardiff next year because of the level of anti-social behaviour.
Which links are those?
They're certainly not the ones you posted... they went something like this.
link 1: discusses egging and flour bombs by youth (the only one related to your argument)
link 2: discusses two grown men who went to a woman's house while wearing hallowe'en masks and shot her.
link 3: Two men got into a woman's house and attacked her while wearing Hallowe'en masks.
link 4: Same story as in link 2.
link 5: Man robs store wearing Hallowe'en mask.

So, of course, the much better alternative is to teach our children that such behaviour is acceptable and a great big bit of fun.
A kid looks out the window.
"Hey it's snowing!"
The kid gets a sleigh.
The kid heads outside.
Goes speeding down the hill.
Kid go boom.

Winter is teh ebilz.

Halloween is teh commie camp.

Leave Philosopy alone, he does have a good point you know. You lot probably live in nice middle-class areas where the children are well behaved and usually supervised by a parent. It's gets quite bad in council estates in Britain, Halloween isn't really celebrated here. Hardly anyone puts decorations up where I live and most of the kids don't even bother to dress up. They just wonder around banging on peoples doors and asking for sweets or cash. A gang of teenagers can be intimidating you know. I'm sure Philosopy has a good reason for disliking this holiday so much.

You do have a point. Like I said earlier Halloween went pear shaped in the UK.
At least in some areas. It can get ugly.

Which links are those?
They're certainly not the ones you posted... they went something like this.
link 1: discusses egging and flour bombs by youth (the only one related to your argument)
link 2: discusses two grown men who went to a woman's house while wearing hallowe'en masks and shot her.
link 3: Two men got into a woman's house and attacked her while wearing Hallowe'en masks.
link 4: Same story as in link 2.
link 5: Man robs store wearing Hallowe'en mask.
The first two links are as I posted. I am willing to concede the latter three are not particually relevant. I did say it was a quick search. *Shrugs again*

A kid looks out the window.
"Hey it's snowing!"
The kid gets a sleigh.
The kid heads outside.
Goes speeding down the hill.
Kid go boom.

Winter is teh ebilz.

Halloween is teh commie camp.
There is a difference between preventing children from participating in dangerous activities and preventing them from engaging in potentially criminal activities.

You do have a point. Like I said earlier Halloween went pear shaped in the UK.
At least in some areas. It can get ugly.
That's why I agree with Philosopy. The others don't really understand how bad it gets here. The older kids don't even except sweets sometimes but demand money, probably to spend on booze or drugs. Anyway, I'll agree that where they live Halloween is totally harmless and trick or treating is just fun for the children. But here it is an evil holiday.

I see. So rather than actually prove anything, you are going to simply state that gangs of roving children dressed as My Little Pony and Disney princesses are murderous little robbers, provide no proof of it, and expect people to accept it.

http://www.familymanagement.com/holidays/halloween/party.ideas.html <--ooooh, scary stuff.


http://childparenting.about.com/cs/kidsparties/a/halloweenparty.htm <-- more scary stuff.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12133852/ <-- this is actually scary -- PC people banning little kids wearing costumes in school. Amazing.

http://www.stpaul.gov/depts/police/halloween.html <-- Scary. Tips from the police on how to have a safe halloween -- like hundreds of other sites.


http://www.flcpa.org/fellowship/celebrations/skaraoke/index.shtml <-- OHHHH, a church hosting a halloween party. Look at those little terrorists go.


http://parents.berkeley.edu/recommend/places/halloween.html <--- Gosh. Boo at the Zoo. Someone get the defibrillator ready.

http://city.cityofcaldwell.com/page/50087/ <-- My god, the Police Athletic League hosting a halloween party. Wow. I guess so it can keep the terrorists off the streets.

http://www.bostonyouthzone.com/sports/pal/events.asp <-- Wow. The Boston PAL, too.

http://www.explorethemagic.com/disney-world-mickeys-not-so-scray-halloween-party.asp
<-- the Mouse House is WELL KNOWN for criminal activity.

So, churches, various police from around the US, local zoos, and Disney World are all, just like parents, encouraging terroristic behavior.

http://www.lochlomond-trossachs.org/media/detail.asp?arc=-1&newsid=919 <--OOOh, a Scottish National Park is also encouraging terrorism. And there are other public places in the UK throwing Halloween parties, too. Gosh!

Leave Philosopy alone, he does have a good point you know. You lot probably live in nice middle-class areas where the children are well behaved and usually supervised by a parent.

I live in New York City.

There is a difference between preventing children from participating in dangerous activities and preventing them from engaging in potentially criminal activities.
You can participate in Halloween without behaving like a criminal

I see. So rather than actually prove anything, you are going to simply state that gangs of roving children dressed as My Little Pony and Disney princesses are murderous little robbers, provide no proof of it, and expect people to accept it.
I have provided links. I can't be held responsible if you ignore them.

Just for you, once again:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4397494.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/4402264.stm

I really don't feel the need to find any more links. If you don't accept the word of someone who lives here and sees these things, what more can I do to prove it to you? If you cannot understand the nature of the question 'trick or treat', then what more can I say to change your mind?

I live in New York City.
Sure, I said in my last post that I agreed that Halloween was harmless where you live. From what you say anyway, I've never been to America. But trust me on this, it is different where I am. Trick or treating is not just some fun for small children, but an excuse for teenage gangs to bang on peoples doors and demand money of people.

I have provided links. I can't be held responsible if you ignore them.

Just for you, once again:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4397494.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/4402264.stm

I really don't feel the need to find any more links. If you don't accept the word of someone who lives here and sees these things, what more can I do to prove it to you? If you cannot understand the nature of the question 'trick or treat', then what more can I say to change your mind?
The words trick or treat today is just a meaningless phrase.

Maybe teenagers in England who have too much time on their hands decided to knock on people's doors and ask for money and intimidate homeowners because they are thugs and use the phrase trick or treat for an excuse. BUT Thats not what halloween is about. Taking your kid around the block for candy is not going to encourage him or her to become a criminal.

The words trick or treat today is just a meaningless phrase.

Maybe teenagers in England who have too much time on their hands decided to knock on people's doors and ask for money and intimidate homeowners because they are thugs and use the phrase trick or treat for an excuse. BUT Thats not what halloween is about. Taking your kid around the block for candy is not going to encourage him or her to become a criminal.
That is exactly what Halloween is about. It is the very nature of the festival!

"Trick or treat! Trick or treat! Give us something nice or there will be consequences!"

I really don't feel the need to find any more links. If you don't accept the word of someone who lives here and sees these things, what more can I do to prove it to you? If you cannot understand the nature of the question 'trick or treat', then what more can I say to change your mind?
What he said. Here you don't see cute little children dressed up as fairys or ghosts, but gangs of teenagers with hoods pulled over their faces with no attempt at dressing up for the holiday. Just accept that it is different here, that's all I ask.

That is exactly what Halloween is about. It is the very nature of the festival!

"Trick or treat! Trick or treat! Give us something nice or there will be consequences!"
No, its not what Halloween is about. And the consequences thing is just a joke.

No, its not what Halloween is about. And the consequences thing is a joke.
A joke to who? The elderly lady on her own, scared everytime there is a bang outside? To the Police, having to clean up the mess and pay for stupid leaflets saying "please don't beat me up!"

No, its not what Halloween is about. And the consequences thing is just a joke.
Maybe you see it as a joke, but some people take it very seriously.

A joke to who? The elderly lady on her own, scared everytime there is a bang outside? To the Police, having to clean up the mess and pay for stupid leaflets saying "please don't beat me up!"
Its a joke as in there is never meant to be any REAL consequences. Kids aren't really supposed to beat up the home owners.
Sorry it wasn't in the instruction manual when North american culture was shipped to the UK

I love Halloween. It's possibly my favorite holiday. I get to satisfy three of my favorite urges in one night;

Dressing up in costume, eating candy and causing mischief. :)

Its a joke as in there is never meant to be any REAL consequences. Kids aren't really supposed to beat up the home owners.
Oh! They're not supposed to beat people up? Why don't you tell the yobs who do this that they aren't supposed to break into peoples houses and beat them up. :rolleyes:

Oh! They're not supposed to beat people up? Why don't you tell the yobs who do this that they aren't supposed to break into peoples houses and beat them up. :rolleyes:
If it was inside them to do this in the first place then you can't really blame halloween can you?

Oh! They're not supposed to beat people up? Why don't you tell the yobs who do this that they aren't supposed to break into peoples houses and beat them up. :rolleyes:

I'll do that if you come over here and tell people they're not supposed to but pins, razor blades and bits of glass in the children's candy.

Assholes are worldwide and they don't need holidays to be assholes. Blame the assholes, not the holiday.

If it was inside them to do this in the first place then you can't really blame halloween can you?

It is the yobs fault and not Halloween's fault.

It is however real.

The parallel I can draw is that today many things in the US will burn because of people using illegal fireworks. It is not the fault of the holiday. Nevertheless every Fourth of July is a busy busy day for fire departments Nationwide. Here in the US we dont have an insane amount of extra criminal activity on Halloween. In some parts of the UK they do.

If it was inside them to do this in the first place then you can't really blame halloween can you?
Yeah but on halloween things like this happen more often, so I could blame the holiday for giving these people an excuse for knocking on strangers houses then forcing themselves into the house.

Assholes are worldwide and they don't need holidays to be assholes. Blame the assholes, not the holiday.
Sorry, but I just think this holiday is stupid over here. No one really celebrates it, it's too close to Guy Fawkes day. It's just an excuse for kids to knock on peoples doors to get free stuff, very few of these trick or treaters actually bother to dress up.

Yeah but on halloween things like this happen more often, so I could blame the holiday for giving these people an excuse for knocking on strangers houses then forcing themselves into the house.
Its not an excuse to force yourself into someones house. That is not part of halloween.

The arguements here have said that the very nature of Halloween is to do these illegal things.

Sorry, but I just think this holiday is stupid over here. No one really celebrates it, it's too close to Guy Fawkes day. It's just an excuse for kids to knock on peoples doors to get free stuff, very few of these trick or treaters actually bother to dress up.

THey're not doing it right then.

I recommend a face-painting clinic. Whenever a kid comes to the door, give him a face-painting and some Skittles. :)

THey're not doing it right then.

I recommend a face-painting clinic. Whenever a kid comes to the door, give him a face-painting and some Skittles. :)

Oil or Latex paint? :D

Oil or Latex paint? :D

Acrylic. :)

Acrylic. :)
Skittles!

There is a difference between preventing children from participating in dangerous activities and preventing them from engaging in potentially criminal activities.
Ringing a doorbell and asking for some candy while standing on their porch is engaging in a potentially criminal activity? What planet do you live on?

What he said. Here you don't see cute little children dressed up as fairys or ghosts, but gangs of teenagers with hoods pulled over their faces with no attempt at dressing up for the holiday. Just accept that it is different here, that's all I ask.
Yeah, we get teenagers who put no effort into dressing up too. My mom gives them the crappy suckers instead of the good candy.

A joke to who? The elderly lady on her own, scared everytime there is a bang outside? To the Police, having to clean up the mess and pay for stupid leaflets saying "please don't beat me up!"
Funny how the only horror stories you provided links for were for egg and flour throwing, none of this beating up the elderly crap you're on about.

Yeah but on halloween things like this happen more often, so I could blame the holiday for giving these people an excuse for knocking on strangers houses then forcing themselves into the house.
One of the stories Philosopy linked detailed a man in a Hallowe'en mask who knocked on a woman's door and attacked her in January. Apparantly people in England don't check their doors before opening them.

I'm willing to believe Brit when she says its different in England.

That however doesn't make it right for Philosophy to jump into a thread about looking for a costume and start talking about how horrible we are for celebrating in a PERFECTLY LEGAL way and telling us what we are teaching our children. If you've never been here don't lecture people about the country. Plus you argue horribly and I can't properly describe the mental image your discourse produces in my brain. I think we should get this back to topic of costume assistance for Dakini.

Yeah but on halloween things like this happen more often, so I could blame the holiday for giving these people an excuse for knocking on strangers houses then forcing themselves into the house.

So basically, the holiday is evil because in the UK, the teens can't act like civilized being whereas American teens and children can?

I think then that the premise needs to be, "British thugs who use Halloween as an excuse" are evil, not that the holiday is.

May I also observe that riots at sporting events are not the norm in the States, but appear to be in Europe. Should we say OMG FOOTBALL EVIL?! then?

Dakini, here -- this might be more reliable:

http://store.roddenberry.com/store.cfm?categoryID=11415

So basically, the holiday is evil because in the UK, the teens can't act like civilized being whereas American teens and children can?

I think then that the premise needs to be, "British thugs who use Halloween as an excuse" are evil, not that the holiday is.
I've said this before, but it looks like I'll have to repeat myself.

Where I live Halloween isn't really celebrated, as Guy Fawkes day is soon after and most families don't have the money to celebrate both holidays. These thugs just use trick or treating as an excuse to get stuff out of people, they are the only ones who celebrate it (mostly). It's not even just the one night as well, they come knocking on your door the entire week before Halloween and even after the holiday is over. Seeing as it's mainly these teenaged thugs who enjoy Halloween, I'd say it is a bad holiday where I live.

EDIT: I never said the holiday was evil, I don't object to american kids having fun. I've just said it's bad over in parts of the UK.

I've said this before, but it looks like I'll have to repeat myself.

Where I live Halloween isn't really celebrated, as Guy Fawkes day is soon after and most families don't have the money to celebrate both holidays. These thugs just use trick or treating as an excuse to get stuff out of people, they are the only ones who celebrate it (mostly). It's not even just the one night as well, they come knocking on your door the entire week before Halloween and even after the holiday is over. Seeing as it's mainly these teenaged thugs who enjoy Halloween, I'd say it is a bad holiday where I live.

But just because its a bad holiday where you live doesn't mean its a bad holiday period. Or that it should never be celebrated. I think you'll agree to the above two sentences?

But just because its a bad holiday where you live doesn't mean its a bad holiday period. Or that it should never be celebrated. I think you'll agree to the above two sentences?
That's what I'm saying. Yes, I'll agree with that.

Dakini, here -- this might be more reliable:

http://store.roddenberry.com/store.cfm?categoryID=11415
Oh, that is supremely awesome!

I wonder why it doesn't come up right away with a google search, official looking sites are always the best. :)

Oh, that is supremely awesome!

I wonder why it doesn't come up right away with a google search, official looking sites are always the best. :)
Glad you found something good

Glad you found something good
Oh man, I sure did. :)

The only thing that would beat this is if I found it in a store somewhere so I didn't have to pay shipping and handling.

http://store.roddenberry.com/images/Products/shots/ptn009a.jpg

thats freakin hot

http://store.roddenberry.com/images/Products/shots/ptn009a.jpg

thats freakin hot
I know, that's totally why I'm doing that for Hallowe'en.

Although it sucks ass that the cheapest shipping was $10. That's more than the cost of the pattern. :(

I know, that's totally why I'm doing that for Hallowe'en.

Although it sucks ass that the cheapest shipping was $10. That's more than the cost of the pattern. :(

totally worth it though, you can wear it for trekkie conventions too :p

get it early and take pics to share :D

totally worth it though, you can wear it for trekkie conventions too :p

get it early and take pics to share :D
Well, the pattern is being sent to my grandma's (she lives in the states so it's cheaper to ship there) and then hopefully my mom won't mind helping me out with putting it together. :)

I can't afford to go to the next convention though. :(

Just to show my support for Halloween I will be going as Monkey D. Luffy from One Piece:D I just have to find a straw hat

http://store.roddenberry.com/images/Products/shots/ptn009a.jpg

thats freakin hot

Seconded! :)

*pushes white Stetson back on head, drawls*
Glad to be of assistance, ma'am.