NationStates Jolt Archive

The question is in the title...

Is there any single right in your country that you do not have which you want? Or do you think that there isn't a single thing that you want to do that the government bans?

When these sorts of threads emerge, you eventually see that all these "omg teh goverment is taking all teh rights away!:sniper:" statements are bullshit, and that you are actually quite privileged compared to many other countries.

The only thing that springs to mind is legalization of drugs...

The right to wear what I want and say what I want in school.

It seems, so far, that no one needs any more rights.

The right to place the U.S. President under citizen's arrest!

The question is in the title...

Is there any single right in your country that you do not have which you want? Or do you think that there isn't a single thing that you want to do that the government bans?

When these sorts of threads emerge, you eventually see that all these "omg teh goverment is taking all teh rights away!:sniper:" statements are bullshit, and that you are actually quite privileged compared to many other countries.

The only thing that springs to mind is legalization of drugs...
Legalized prostitution in every state. I want to be a male prostitute, damn it!

...and to see all female prostitutes treated fairly, of course. The way they're treated now is shit.

I also want to see gay rights, obviously. I'm not gay myself--hell, I'm probably not even bisexual, just somewhat bicurious--but that doesn't mean I won't fight for gay rights. Thing is, the very fact that people have to fight for rights at all is abhorrant. It should come naturally. People SHOULDN'T be repressed for one dumb thing or another. And yet, they are. It's sad.

The right to wear what I want and say what I want in school.

As long as it doesn't offend people, or even if it offends people?

Legalized prostitution in every state. I want to be a male prostitute, damn it!

...and to see all female prostitutes treated fairly, of course. The way they're treated now is shit.

I also want to see gay rights, obviously. I'm not gay myself--hell, I'm probably not even bisexual, just somewhat bicurious--but that doesn't mean I won't fight for gay rights. Thing is, the very fact that people have to fight for rights at all is abhorrant. It should come naturally. People SHOULDN'T be repressed for one dumb thing or another. And yet, they are. It's sad.

Just interested, what gay rights do you not have?

Pot-head's thread.

It seems, so far, that no one needs any more rights.

well I have a couple in mind but they've already been talked about in other threads and apparently I'd have to go to Austraia or Europe to find someone who'd even consider marrying me so I doubt it means much to me at present.

Pot-head's thread.

lol, shhhh!

The right to do anything I want with my own body that I wish, unless it causes arm to someone else.

But the Americans first, second and fourth amendment would be nice as well.

I want the right to privacy, they now have cameras in the school toilets.

I want exactly the same rights and obligations and protection from my government as those around me have. Perhaps someday.

The right to do anything I want with my own body that I wish, unless it causes arm to someone else.

But the Americans first, second and fourth amendment would be nice as well.What country are you from?

Uh-kay...
Hard one. The right to a societal/civic salary...(?) That's what seems to be what we are missing here. I mean... Some day, I might just want to be paid doing nothing.

Just interested, what gay rights do you not have?
When I say gay rights, I'm referring to gay marriage and the like(the legal benifits and all that). For them to not lose a job just because they're gay. My mom was working(professionally, obviously; she was working quite hard at home as it was) for the first time in fifteen years at a nearby Safeway as a courtesy clerk, and one of the other people who worked at that Safeway was fired because he was gay. She quit immediately in protest, along with about ten others, and I'd have done the same. The guy wasn't rehired, and neither can he afford to take Safeway to court on it. Really, really stupid.

I want exactly the same rights and obligations and protection from my government as those around me have. Perhaps someday.
Why do you not have those same rights and obligations and so forth?

I was not granted them and have not fought to attain them.

Right to riches.

I want to be rich damnit.

When I say gay rights, I'm referring to gay marriage and the like(the legal benifits and all that). For them to not lose a job just because they're gay. My mom was working(professionally, obviously; she was working quite hard at home as it was) for the first time in fifteen years at a nearby Safeway as a courtesy clerk, and one of the other people who worked at that Safeway was fired because he was gay. She quit immediately in protest, along with about ten others, and I'd have done the same. The guy wasn't rehired, and neither can he afford to take Safeway to court on it. Really, really stupid.
Tell him to talk with the ACLU. If they can't take his case, they can point him towards someone who could.

When I say gay rights, I'm referring to gay marriage and the like(the legal benifits and all that). For them to not lose a job just because they're gay. My mom was working(professionally, obviously; she was working quite hard at home as it was) for the first time in fifteen years at a nearby Safeway as a courtesy clerk, and one of the other people who worked at that Safeway was fired because he was gay. She quit immediately in protest, along with about ten others, and I'd have done the same. The guy wasn't rehired, and neither can he afford to take Safeway to court on it. Really, really stupid.

How awful, what country are you from?

Well, I want the right to not be governed by the Indian Act, a racist piece of colonial trash that still legislates my people's existence. I want the right to sovereignty returned to my people.

The right to real free speech.
The right to settle things by a duel. Yes, a duel 'till the death even.

Um...rights? I have those?
I want to drink sodas in school! Grr...Clinton is so mean! :mad:

I was not granted them and have not fought to attain them.
Please explain...what rights do others around you have that you do not?

The right to real free speech.
The right to settle things by a duel. Yes, a duel 'till the death even.
a duel to the pain would me much worse, you know.

How awful, what country are you from?
The United States of America. The state of Colorado, to be specific.

Tell him to talk with the ACLU. If they can't take his case, they can point him towards someone who could.
My mom did. He refuses to talk to the ACLU because he feels they're horribly corrupt due to some of the controversial cases, such as the Nazi case and the NAMbLA case.

Legalized prostitution in every state. I want to be a male prostitute, damn it!

...and to see all female prostitutes treated fairly, of course. The way they're treated now is shit.

I also want to see gay rights, obviously. I'm not gay myself--hell, I'm probably not even bisexual, just somewhat bicurious--but that doesn't mean I won't fight for gay rights. Thing is, the very fact that people have to fight for rights at all is abhorrant. It should come naturally. People SHOULDN'T be repressed for one dumb thing or another. And yet, they are. It's sad.

What rights do Gays NOT have? Is there something in the 'const that says "And we find it evident that These rights only apply to straight people..."? Exactly how are homos being repressed?

Well..if they wanted to be treated nicer they wouldn't be whores. Selling yourself for a few bucks or a rock/line of crack/coke isn't very appealing or is it one of the things society needs.

Maybe if they were smart they'd realize that being a prostitute is...dumb, and the reason they are treated badly is because NOONE respects a prostitute. NOONE.

a duel to the pain would me much worse, you know.
As you wish.

The right to play sexually with any person of my choosing without the need for any special magical mystical consent but just plain consent like all the consent needed for virtually every other non_contractual activity provided the persons risk of injury infection and unwanted pregnancy are considered and guarded against.

What country are you from?

Ireland.

As you wish.
:D

I love you too.

What rights do Gays NOT have? Is there something in the 'const that says "And we find it evident that These rights only apply to straight people..."? Exactly how are homos being repressed?
Gays in many states can not be legally married, or adopt children.

What rights do Gays NOT have? Is there something in the 'const that says "And we find it evident that These rights only apply to straight people..."? Exactly how are homos being repressed?
It's more of a societal repression than anything else. The main, obvious thing is banning gay marriage. Why do that? Why deny them the same legal benifits conferred to heterosexual couples that join together in a legal way? There are so many rights conferred under such a binding that many people are unaware of, such as the right to visitation in hospitals and the like. Simply put, it's ridiculous. And, of course, note the case I mentioned previously regarding the firing of the Safeway employee.

EDITSU: Zoh my...1776th post...on July 4th...if I was a zealous, patriotically blind American, I'd take pride in that. In reality, I just find it amusingly coincidental.

Got another one...I want to be a hitman, and it's not legal, so...make that a right.

only in america is quality of life compressed to what "rights" you do and dont have

The right to real free speech.
The right to settle things by a duel. Yes, a duel 'till the death even.

Doesn't that mean that those who are good at duelling could do anything they please?

The right to play sexually with any person of my choosing without the need for any special magical mystical consent but just plain consent like all the consent needed for virtually every other non_contractual activity provided the persons risk of injury infection and unwanted pregnancy are considered and guarded against.
Ah yes, you want the right to have sex with children.

I thought you were perma-banned? Well, welcome back. I want my children to have the right to be protected from people like you.

Doesn't that mean that those who are good at duelling could do anything they please?
Yes but the main argument is that God favored them in the duel so they were indeed right.

Yes but the main argument is that God favored them in the duel so they were indeed right.
God favors me! Bow down!

God favors me! Bow down!

I don't remember saying that i favour you...

I'm Canadian, so I have all the rights I need. What I want would really fall more into the category of handouts than rights.

As long as it doesn't offend people, or even if it offends people?

As long as it's politically correct. I would never wear a shirt that said "God Hates Fags," or anything like that, but I want to be allowed to show off an inch or two of my mid-drift, despite certain teachers thinking that's vulgar.

I don't remember saying that i favour you...
It was subconcious.

As long as it's politically correct. I would never wear a shirt that said "God Hates Fags," or anything like that, but I want to be allowed to show off an inch or two of my mid-drift, despite certain teachers thinking that's vulgar.

Well at the moment it's pretty much up to the school what they can and can't let you say/wear... So basicly you wan't the government to completely take control of how every school is run, and that the government will give you all the freedoms you can have?

As a US tax paying citizen, I would like to apply to the same "rights" that illegal aliens seem to have. Free health care, free housing, the right to break laws and not be prosecuted.

Please explain...what rights do others around you have that you do not?

I guess it isnt rights to do things or have things so much as equal protection under the law and perks granted.

The right to play sexually with any person of my choosing without the need for any special magical mystical consent but just plain consent like all the consent needed for virtually every other non_contractual activity provided the persons risk of injury infection and unwanted pregnancy are considered and guarded against.
Oh God...I remember you...you were the one with the pedophile thread, right?

I guess it isnt rights to do things or have things so much as equal protection under the law and perks granted.
*keeps digging*
And why do you not have equal protection under the law and the perks granted? Can you give an example of where you do not have the same protection as someone else around you??

Are you posting from jail?

I want the right to own property.

Canadians used to have the right to own property, but that was taken away from us in 1982 when Trudeau rewrote the constitution.

As such, the government is now permitted to seize any propery it likes and has no obligation to compensate us.

Well at the moment it's pretty much up to the school what they can and can't let you say/wear... So basicly you wan't the government to completely take control of how every school is run, and that the government will give you all the freedoms you can have?

i thought that was the Board of Ed?

The right for women to go topless in public.

The right I am about to lose:
The right to smoke myself silly in a bar.

Right to riches.

I want to be rich damnit.

You have that right. You just havn't been granted the wealth to wealth to make you rich. Bill Gates is an American. I think you are an American also and you have the same right to be rich as Bill Gates has.

I want the right to own property.

Canadians used to have the right to own property, but that was taken away from us in 1982 when Trudeau rewrote the constitution.

As such, the government is now permitted to seize any propery it likes and has no obligation to compensate us.
You can still own property, even by your description...so what you want is the right to be compensated for any property seized by the government.

i thought that was the Board of Ed?

The board of education doesn't have absolute control though.

Oh God...I remember you...you were the one with the pedophile thread, right?
Threads plural.

Well, I want the right to not be governed by the Indian Act, a racist piece of colonial trash that still legislates my people's existence. I want the right to sovereignty returned to my people.

Wow. Yeah. This is long overdue. And here we are claiming to be freeing Iraq when native americans are still oppressed. Where is the Native American lobby and why has it been so ineffectual all these years? I would really like to know more about this. Thank you for inspiring me to bone up.

People complain about how hard it is to be a black male in America. Try being a native american male. Talk about a shit sandwich...

Ah yes, you want the right to have sex with children.

I thought you were perma-banned? Well, welcome back. I want my children to have the right to be protected from people like you.

I was never banned.

I'm all for protecting children but my protection idea of protection. I'd like to see children protected from the mob that believed some R2D2 like robot participated in satanic ritual sexual abuse. Maybe you Sinuhue served on the jury that convicted on this testamony and other fabricated testamonies.

Well at the moment it's pretty much up to the school what they can and can't let you say/wear... So basicly you wan't the government to completely take control of how every school is run, and that the government will give you all the freedoms you can have?

All I want is the right to wear my favourite shirt to school. I stood up for my constitutional right to express myself through clothing, and was sent to the principal's office. That's oppression, in my books. It would be nice if the government could step in and tell my public school that they don't have the right to usurp the constitution.

Here is one that gets my goat:

American shopkeepers are endentured to the government as unwilling tax collectors everytime they collect sales tax, are unpaid for being custodians of that money, and are fined havily for not moving that money along in a timely manner.

I want the right to be a free shopkeeper without having to be the government's tax collector.

And I have the same beef with payroll taxes and federal withholding.

Its endentured slavery without compensation.

*keeps digging*
And why do you not have equal protection under the law and the perks granted? Can you give an example of where you do not have the same protection as someone else around you??

Are you posting from jail?
He can't get married.

Oh, and Shadowy, what the Hell are you talking about?

*keeps digging*
And why do you not have equal protection under the law and the perks granted? Can you give an example of where you do not have the same protection as someone else around you??

Are you posting from jail?

No. Not from jail. For example if you and I were walking down a street two blocks apart. A maniac with a swastika tatooed on his forehead charges down the street and punches each of us. Both of our noses are bloodied but no other harm done. (that's plenty of harm anyway) In my case he would be charged with simple assault and would be sentenced to a few days in jail and be back on the street to possibly punch me again. In your case he might very well be charged with a hate crime (especially in my neighborhood)and be jailed for years.

Simple things like that that split people into seperate groupings under the law annoy me.

Strangely enough I am for limited (in time frame) affirmative action as I have seen some good done with it. Also for unlimited time frame affirmative action for those with physical disabilities.

Inequality between people under the law just puts a burr under my saddle is all.

He can't get married.

Oh, and Shadowy, what the Hell are you talking about?

Ive been married. May do so again some day.

Well, I want the right to not be governed by the Indian Act, a racist piece of colonial trash that still legislates my people's existence. I want the right to sovereignty returned to my people.

I'm with you on opposing the Indian Act. It's a dreadful piece of legislation that does nothing but encourage natives to be dependent upon the government.

I'm with you on opposing the Indian Act. It's a dreadful piece of legislation that does nothing but encourage natives to be dependent upon the government.

Just out of interest, is it because Indians refuse to pay taxes?

I was never banned.

I'm all for protecting children but my protection idea of protection. I'd like to see children protected from the mob that believed some R2D2 like robot participated in satanic ritual sexual abuse. Maybe you Sinuhue served on the jury that convicted on this testamony and other fabricated testamonies.
I have no idea what you are talking about??

You can still own property, even by your description...so what you want is the right to be compensated for any property seized by the government.

If I own something, I'm allowed to use it as a commodity in trade, but I get to decide when that is. If the government is allowed to seize it whenever they like, I didn't own it.

The government shouldn't be allowed to seize property at all without jumping through some pretty arduous hoops, and then they should be required to offer fair market value as determined independently.

For example, the government of British Columbia recently seized a bunch of ocean-view propery in West Vancouver so they can expand a highway in preparation for the 2010 Olympics. For that land, they paid $40,000/acre, which is easily less than 5% the fair market value.

No. Not from jail. For example if you and I were walking down a street two blocks apart. A maniac with a swastika tatooed on his forehead charges down the street and punches each of us. Both of our noses are bloodied but no other harm done. (that's plenty of harm anyway) In my case he would be charged with simple assault and would be sentenced to a few days in jail and be back on the street to possibly punch me again. In your case he might very well be charged with a hate crime (especially in my neighborhood)and be jailed for years.

Simple things like that that split people into seperate groupings under the law annoy me.

Strangely enough I am for limited (in time frame) affirmative action as I have seen some good done with it. Also for unlimited time frame affirmative action for those with physical disabilities.

Inequality between people under the law just puts a burr under my saddle is all.
Ah. Well thank you for finally clearing that up! It was getting too mysterious!

He would not be charged with a hate crime in Canada, as far as I understand our hate crime legislation, but if the motivation was based on racism, that would (as are all motivations) be taken into account.

Just out of interest, is it because Indians refuse to pay taxes?

At least Indians realize the foolishness of taxes.

I have no idea what you are talking about??

Im kinda relieved that Im not the only clueless one this time..

Originally Posted by Sinuhue
Well, I want the right to not be governed by the Indian Act, a racist piece of colonial trash that still legislates my people's existence. I want the right to sovereignty returned to my people.

It sounds like a nasty piece of legislation. I hope they get rid of it.

I'm with you on opposing the Indian Act. It's a dreadful piece of legislation that does nothing but encourage natives to be dependent upon the government.
You may be with me in terms of opposing it, but you are not with me on the why...if I remember our previous conversations on the subject correctly.

Just out of interest, is it because Indians refuse to pay taxes?

No. Canadian natives are poor and poorly educated because the Indian Act pays them to stay that way. It codifies in law the undemocratic band hierarchy, and funnels huge funds at them with no means to determine whether the natives themselves are benefitting from them. The Indian Act treats them like savages.

Just out of interest, is it because Indians refuse to pay taxes?
Indians do not 'refuse' to pay taxes. Indians in the US pay taxes (http://www.rlnn.com/ArtFeb06/IndiansDidntPayTaxes100YrsAgo.html). Indians in Canada pay taxes. There are some tax exemptions available for on-reserve Indians in Canada, and businesses (Indian owned or not) operation on reserve, but these exemptions are not available for all aboriginal people, nor are they exemptions on ALL taxes.

No. Canadian natives are poor and poorly educated because the Indian Act pays them to stay that way. It codifies in law the undemocratic band hierarchy, and funnels huge funds at them with no means to determine whether the natives themselves are benefitting from them. The Indian Act treats them like savages.Hmmm, perhaps we're closer on this than I thought...I think it's the issue of sovereignty we differ on.

You may be with me in terms of opposing it, but you are not with me on the why...if I remember our previous conversations on the subject correctly.

I'll admit I have no idea what it is you'd like to have happen after the Indian Act gets repealed.

I know that I would like it replaced by nothing at all, thus intergrating natives with other Canadians.

Im kinda relieved that Im not the only clueless one this time..
Yeah, that's probably the most bizarre post I've seen in a while...though it sounds oddly familiar...come on, doesn't anyone know what he's talking about?

I'll admit I have no idea what it is you'd like to have happen after the Indian Act gets repealed.

I know that I would like it replaced by nothing at all, thus intergrating natives with other Canadians.
Ah yes, I addressed you on this in a past thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=487657&page=10) but I don't think you saw it. (if you want to reply in that thread, please do...I don't want to hijack this one any more than we have:))

Yeah, that's probably the most bizarre post I've seen in a while...though it sounds oddly familiar...come on, doesn't anyone know what he's talking about?

I know, lol, how the fuck can you link pedophilia with R2D2???

The right to bear arms and the right to marry a man. Oh, and yeah, the right not to be taxed for things I don't consent to.

The right not to be taxed for things I don't consent to.

Interesting, care to give an example?

I know, lol, how the fuck can you link pedophilia with R2D2???
Seriously...
pedophilia=:mad:
R2D2=:cool:
not the same thing or anywhere near the same thing...

As long as it's politically correct. I would never wear a shirt that said "God Hates Fags," or anything like that, but I want to be allowed to show off an inch or two of my mid-drift, despite certain teachers thinking that's vulgar.

Even if it's politically incorrect. I will not have rights trampled on because someone's feelings are hurt.

My mom did. He refuses to talk to the ACLU because he feels they're horribly corrupt due to some of the controversial cases, such as the Nazi case and the NAMbLA case.
The ACLU doesn't have to provide counsel, someone else can, but they are more likely to know a good gay rights/labor relations lawyer. Get your union on the case, etc.

I would like to be able to not pay medicare and social security tax, but would settle for the fair tax to pass.

Other than that I got just about all I need, I would like to see my rights better protected and enforced, but you know, everyone wants that. ;)


oh, and the right to own a tank.......can't afford one, don't really have use for one, but you know it would be nice to have the right to have one. (or any other cool military boomy thingy)

Interesting, care to give an example?
Welfare; for instance healthcare which I do not benefit from due to my clientelle being with private providers.

I would like to be able to not pay medicare and social security tax, but would settle for the fair tax to pass.

Other than that I got just about all I need, I would like to see my rights better protected and enforced, but you know, everyone wants that. ;)


oh, and the right to own a tank.......can't afford one, don't really have use for one, but you know it would be nice to have the right to have one. (or any other cool military boomy thingy)

I wonder how much a tank costs.

only in america is quality of life compressed to what "rights" you do and dont have

Really? No one else gives a shit about their rights? Just Americans?

That's an eye-opener!

All I want is the right to wear my favourite shirt to school. I stood up for my constitutional right to express myself through clothing, and was sent to the principal's office. That's oppression, in my books. It would be nice if the government could step in and tell my public school that they don't have the right to usurp the constitution.

This is interesting. We experienced this first hand when my daughter and several other straight A students were given ISS (In School Suspension) for publishing a newspaper without consent from the principal. I asked the principal to explain the Right to Free Speech to me and he said, "Your consitutional rights stop at THAT DOOR"

I just had to fucking laugh....and slap the kids on the back and say, "Good Job kids....you exposed the system for what it is....an oppressive 'educational' tyrant."

I know, lol, how the fuck can you link pedophilia with R2D2???

There was a case in the 80's where a daycare was accused of bizarre, ritualistic sexual torture of children and the people who ran that daycare were convicted on most if not all of the counts, and were sent to prison.

It has become a president setting case used in the argument of witness tampering where a young child is encourage to say this, that and other through suggestion that it might have happened. The case against it is that young children are agreeable to a fault. If you ask them if they were raped by robots, chances are they will agree. If you ask them if they were tortured they will agree. If you ask them if their head is made of cantelope, they will agree. And therefore are not reliable witnesses.

The daycare case from the 80's was studied and found to have suffered from this very type of witness tampering, but even scarier, it was found that juries also are highly suggestible and agreeable, finding people guilty of using robots to rape and torture children at a time when the existance of such a robot would have been obsurd.

This is what he is talking about.

There was a case in the 80's where a daycare was accused of bizarre, ritualistic sexual torture of children and the people who ran that daycare were convicted on most if not all of the counts, and were sent to prison.

It has become a president setting case used in the argument of witness tampering where a young child is encourage to say this, that and other through suggestion that it might have happened. The case against it is that young children are agreeable to a fault. If you ask them if they were raped by robots, chances are they will agree. If you ask them if they were tortured they will agree. If you ask them if their head is made of cantelope, they will agree. And therefore are not reliable witnesses.

The daycare case from the 80's was studied and found to have suffered from this very type of witness tampering, but even scarier, it was found that juries also are highly suggestible and agreeable, finding people guilty of using robots to rape and torture children at a time when the existance of such a robot would have been obsurd.

This is what he is talking about.

There's a case very like that in my town. I dont remember any R2D2 references however.

the right to smack stupid people in the face and give them demerit points

the right to smack stupid people in the face and give them demerit points

Have you tried working at a private school?

Have you tried working at a private school?

lol

good call

the right to think my own thoughts, dream my own dreams, and believe my own beliefs. the country i live in pays lip service to it, then coerces people into coercing each other into putting trying to impress each other ahead of it.

the right to not be robbed of my calmness.

any place where no one robbed anyone else of their calmness would be heavin, whatever that resaulted in having to live without.

just as everyplace they do is a hell because of it.

=^^=
.../\...

What rights do Gays NOT have? Is there something in the 'const that says "And we find it evident that These rights only apply to straight people..."? Exactly how are homos being repressed?

By being dismissed from their jobs just because their gay. It's like firing a guy because he's black. Or a woman because she lacks a penis. Principle is the same. Being fired for what they are without a legitimate excuse.


Well..if they wanted to be treated nicer they wouldn't be whores. Selling yourself for a few bucks or a rock/line of crack/coke isn't very appealing or is it one of the things society needs.

One of these days, I'm going to see if I can introduce you to this concept of slavery/prostitution rings where women are tricked into emigrating into foreign countries and then enslaved in prostitution rings. It is quite rampant in developing as well as first world countries by nature of the richer economy as bait.


Maybe if they were smart they'd realize that being a prostitute is...dumb, and the reason they are treated badly is because NOONE respects a prostitute. NOONE.

No one respects a bigot either. Or a fool. Sadly, you look like you're heading in that direction.

You need a much bigger rubbing in the mud that is the grim world of human reality. It's not as pretty as you think it is.

The right to euthanasia

These are the rights I want in my country, even if I'll never use them personally

- abortion
- euthanasia
- give ANY name to a child
- protest without being harmed by the police or the military
- smoke pot
- same-sex marriages
- adoptions by homosexuals
- nudity, at least breast nudity
- sex education at school
- elect the Supreme Court
- making noise in MY apartment, damned neighbours!

The right to smoke cannabis in my own home. The right to download copyrighted material without risk of getting ass fucked by the record industry. THe right to marry another man, if I were so inclined.

I want the right to privacy, they now have cameras in the school toilets.

Eww, that's gross. Are they just in the toilet building or in the cubicles. I think your teachers may be pedophiles, though! Where are you from?

There was a case in the 80's where a daycare was accused of bizarre, ritualistic sexual torture of children and the people who ran that daycare were convicted on most if not all of the counts, and were sent to prison.

It has become a president setting case used in the argument of witness tampering where a young child is encourage to say this, that and other through suggestion that it might have happened. The case against it is that young children are agreeable to a fault. If you ask them if they were raped by robots, chances are they will agree. If you ask them if they were tortured they will agree. If you ask them if their head is made of cantelope, they will agree. And therefore are not reliable witnesses.

The daycare case from the 80's was studied and found to have suffered from this very type of witness tampering, but even scarier, it was found that juries also are highly suggestible and agreeable, finding people guilty of using robots to rape and torture children at a time when the existance of such a robot would have been obsurd.

This is what he is talking about.

The amusing part is that DSN doesn't realize that this case is some of the best evidence ever collect of why children cannot consent to sex. They are very suggestible and most children seek to please adults even if they know what adults are doing is wrong (like encouraging them to tell a story that isn't true).

Hm, yes, most of the thing above I would want. I would want the right to marry a guy if I wanted to, even though I'm not gay. I want the right to smoke pot legally. I want the right to play my music as damn well loud as I please, and the right to do whatever the fuck I want to my car (including chopping the exhaust all the way off and polluting the air) if I want. I want the right to be able to run naked in the streets. I want the right to be able to attempt susicide without fear of getting thrown in a mental hospital, even though I'm not susicidal. Oh, I want the right to be able to hack into anybody's computer I want to, I mean common, its just 1s and 0s anyway. I want the right to tell cops to shut the fuck up and cuss them out if they're pissing me off. Hmmm... Ah, I want the right to keep my financial affairs private, meaning, no government intervention without my notification and approval (like they do in Switzlerland.) Oh, I want the right to recieve whatever signal I want whenever I want, no matter what channel, my house, if their airwaves go through my property, I own them.

I want the right to be unsurveilled. Neither the state nor by corporations should have the right to use camera-surveillance.

I can't believe this thread has reached 7 pages and noone has done this,

You gotta fight,
For the right,
To PAAARRRRTY!!.

To knock out the freaking surveillance cameras in the subway.

To knock out the freaking surveillance cameras in the subway.

why? what do you want to hide ;)

The question is in the title...

Is there any single right in your country that you do not have which you want? Or do you think that there isn't a single thing that you want to do that the government bans?

I want complete and total unquestioned ownership of my own body, and the freedom to make all medical decisions regarding it.

why? what do you want to hide ;)
The daggers my eyes are shooting at them? :p

Nah, they just annoy the hell out of me. I don't care too much for being under full-time surveillance. Cameras on the platform - well, alright. But in the freaking cars? It's not like they're going to stop any kind of violence, either. God knows if there's actually anybody even screening the footage as it comes in (and with my city's transport, chances are there isn't, because they probably ran out of money again right after installing the suckers) and even if - then what? If somebody wants to beat up or rob or stab or rape someone in that subway car, I'd say they could care less if there's a camera. It doesn't mean anybody will arrive in time to keep anything from happening, and as long as you make sure to somewhat cover your face, it won't be of any use to the police afterwards.

I'm a woman myself, and the cameras don't make me feel safer, they just make me feel watched and paranoid and angry and ready to smash something. Rather counterproductive, you could say. :p

I want to be able to say what I want without fear of punishment from the government - a repeal of sedition laws.

I want the right to protest peacefully and not be intimidated by the police.

I want the right to be able to put whatever I like into my own body, should I so choose.

I want the right to see, hear, and read whatever I like without censorship.

I want the right to marry whomever I want - even though I am heterosexual, I still feel that all people should be able to exercise this right should they so wish to. Ditto for adopting children - provided that the couple is responsible, it doesn't matter.

I want the right to bargain fairly with my employer through a union - this right is being diminished.

I want the right to a minimum living wage and a 40 hour maximum workweek - if this is not possible, I want to be guaranteed overtime pay.

I want the right to free tertiary education (based on merit, and not giving the rich students priority like what happens here now).

I want the right to have my privacy guaranteed.

I want the right to euthanasia.

I could go on; but not all of my grievances affect me personally.

I want the right to bargain fairly with my employer through a union - this right is being diminished.

I support that right. But I also want the right not to join the union if I don't feel it benefits me.

I want the right to a minimum living wage and a 40 hour maximum workweek - if this is not possible, I want to be guaranteed overtime pay.

Robbing people of the right to work overtime seems like a terrible idea. Some people want to work more.

I want the right to own a machine gun, pop Ecstasy, and bang 14-year-old girls (who are willing).

Age of consent laws are stupid.

Oh yeah... and we need more goth hookers.

I want the right to own a machine gun, pop Ecstasy, and bang 14-year-old girls (who are willing).

Age of consent laws are stupid.

Oh yeah... and we need more goth hookers.

I want the right to kick people in the balls. Fortunately, the right to hurt other people is not a right and this is why there is an age of consent.

I want the right to say what I want, without censoring myself.

I want the right to a free, honest, and unbiased education.

I want the right to privacy in the locker rooms (I just left middle school and there's rumors that there's cameras in the locker rooms...:upyours: )

I want the right to practice my religion in public, without being harassed by zealots of other/no religions.

I want the right to eat/drink junk in school.

I want the right to make a choice without the government limiting it.

I want the right to do whatever I like to my body, provided I have all the information.

And I don't have these rights, it seems. :headbang:

I want the right to arm myself in a manner that would allow me to defend my rights

I want the right to:
smoke pot
marry whomever I want, regardless of sex or gender (not gay myself but it's right I think we should all have)
free government health care
have an abortion (not just a legal prescedent saying I can. Of course, I'm a guy but I want women to have that right).
kill myself
free education from Kindergarten through college

Well, I want the right to not be governed by the Indian Act, a racist piece of colonial trash that still legislates my people's existence. I want the right to sovereignty returned to my people.

Why dont all the Indian lands just secede from Canada and form their own nation?

Seriously...that is the idea of Nationalism after all, a homeland for all people.

Call it, Red Nationalism.

I also want to see gay rights, obviously. I'm not gay myself--hell, I'm probably not even bisexual, just somewhat bicurious--but that doesn't mean I won't fight for gay rights. Thing is, the very fact that people have to fight for rights at all is abhorrant. It should come naturally. People SHOULDN'T be repressed for one dumb thing or another. And yet, they are. It's sad.

I agree with you completely Kyronea. Other people have constantly been putting their morality on other people, and even though most people who act immorally know what they are doing is immoral, it's not up to christians to tell them this or insist on any consequences.

We will only be free when we develop our interests to our best ability without having to worry about finances or other people putting judgment on us. Wasn't this the whole point of the American Revolution?

The right to do anything I want with my own body that I wish, unless it causes harm to someone else.

Fully supported. :D

I want the right to say what I want, without censoring myself.

I want the right to a free, honest, and unbiased education.

I want the right to privacy in the locker rooms (I just left middle school and there's rumors that there's cameras in the locker rooms...:upyours: )

And I don't have these rights, it seems. :headbang:

Dark Nova, it seems that, with republicans in charge, middle schoolers are oppressed these days. You should have a right to an free, unbiased education without any references to a supernatural being and based on the true Sciences, including Evolution. You should also have the right to do whatever you want to without worrying about the financial consequences. This was what the American Revolution was all about.

We will only be free when we develop our interests to our best ability without having to worry about finances or other people putting judgment on us. Wasn't this the whole point of the American Revolution?

I thought the point of the American Revolution was to get out from under an oppressive and unresponsive government.

But then, they don't really cover American history in schools up here.

I thought the point of the American Revolution was to get out from under an oppressive and unresponsive government.

But then, they don't really cover American history in schools up here.

If thats the case, its about time for another one...

If thats the case, its about time for another one...
Jefferson would certainly think so, and Llewdor, you're very right.

I thought the point of the American Revolution was to get out from under an oppressive and unresponsive government.

But then, they don't really cover American history in schools up here.

Well the conservatives say that it was to declare that individual liberty comes from the Most High God and not governments, and that governments serve men, and not the other way around.

But since evolution has come, the God argument must have been made up and the ACLU came for a presentation at my school and told us it was made up, and that the purpose of the Revolution was actually so that we could all freely develop and received a high-quality and free education, healthcare, childcare, housing and food, if nescessary.

I want the right to use hard-drugs. Not that I would use them, but it would be nice to have the right to. I mean gay-marriage, pot-smoking and euthanasia is already legal here, so I'm pretty satisfied with my rights.

You guys seem to confuse the entire right for the religious-right. Most conservatives do not justify everything their country does with God.

Anyway, I want to have civil rights in school. The right to privacy and freedom of speech are two big ones that are stripped of childrten in school. That's in the US at least. I want to have th right to say anything, even if it is offensive. That's what freedom of speech is about. Its not about the freedom to say something everyone agrees with.

I don't know about all the cameras in toilets (wtf??) or locker rooms, but I do know that if someone is suspected to have drugs in school, they may be searched without permission. I personally do not use drugs, and do not advocate legalization of drugs, but it is a person's right to refuse a search of his/her possessions and person.

And using drugs is not a civil right. It infringes upon other people's right to a safe environment.

And BTW, wouldn't an unbiased education include both evolution and creationism? I mean, seeing as how most people believe in God, and according to CBS I believe, the majority of Americans want creationism to be taught in schools alongside evolution, both sides should be taught in schools. I say this as someone who believes evolution is true, and is not religious at all.

Well the conservatives say that it was to declare that individual liberty comes from the Most High God and not governments, and that governments serve men, and not the other way around.

But since evolution has come, the God argument must have been made up and the ACLU came for a presentation at my school and told us it was made up, and that the purpose of the Revolution was actually so that we could all freely develop and received a high-quality and free education, healthcare, childcare, housing and food, if nescessary.
No, the purpose of the revolution was so that we would be represented for our taxes and have our self-determination largely as individuals as we have always been a very enterprising nation and even dogmatically capitalist. The purpose of the revolution was not that we could receive free education, healthcare, housing or food and for the most part such ideas only came into the American consciousness in the 20th century and they tended to be disliked. The ACLU is full of crap, I remember reading in the paper that they believed that putting up cameras at intersections and having them give tickets was a violation of our right to privacy. That is BS, it is no different if they put a cop there and a lot cheaper.

Well the conservatives say that it was to declare that individual liberty comes from the Most High God and not governments, and that governments serve men, and not the other way around.

But since evolution has come, the God argument must have been made up and the ACLU came for a presentation at my school and told us it was made up, and that the purpose of the Revolution was actually so that we could all freely develop and received a high-quality and free education, healthcare, childcare, housing and food, if nescessary.

Link, please. Methinks you're full of it.

No, the purpose of the revolution was so that we would be represented for our taxes and have our self-determination largely as individuals as we have always been a very enterprising nation and even dogmatically capitalist. The purpose of the revolution was not that we could receive free education, healthcare, housing or food and such ideas only came into the American consciousness in the 20th century and for the most part they were disliked. The ACLU is full of crap, I remember reading in the paper that they believed that putting up cameras at intersections and having them give tickets was a violation of our right to privacy. That is BS, it is no different if they put a cop there and a lot cheaper.

You mean the goals of people change. Get out. I'm sorry that you're forced be a good citizen and that you're required by law to never leave the US. I'm so sorry that America so mistreats you. Golly, I certainly hope that some day you can escape to a country that allows you step on the poor on your way to the bank.

The right to rub a bald man's head for luck in public without anyting untoward happening to you.

btw, if you ever do this (and it does work - believe me!), be sure to remember to murmur, "mmmm...nice and shiny".

You mean the goals of people change. Get out. I'm sorry that you're forced be a good citizen and that you're required by law to never leave the US. I'm so sorry that America so mistreats you. Golly, I certainly hope that some day you can escape to a country that allows you step on the poor on your way to the bank.
I never said that the goals of people didn't change but we are talking about history not current politics(which are still very capitalist compared to the rest of the world). However, given the nature of our nation we have been very capitalistic, we called the New Deal socialism and we were the major power in a struggle between capitalism and communism and the fact that we are considered very capitalistic today I would say that capitalism is a defining part of our system. I mean, come on, Clinton's plan for healthcare which would have been thrown out as too capitalistic in many other nations is considered socialistic here, and free education only exists up to 12th grade and not beyond that and we most certainly are not for universally free housing or food, you pay for what you want. Of course we have some charities which can pay for upper level education, healthcare and etc, but those are not based upon the constitution and they do not detract from our self-determining nature.

Hell, YOU GET OUT! I never said I was mistreated by the law, I never said that I wanted to step on poor people, I only said that America has been historically very capitalistic and was founded on very capitalist ideas considering the fact that laissez-faire and even corporatism existed in our system for quite a few of the early years, of course the latter hurt us and even led to/worsened the Great Depression(high tariffs are bad). Now, you can take that however the hell you want, I am not leaving this country just because some douche over the internet tells me to do so. I apologize for being a bit foul mouthed but still, if you don't like it then you leave. I am fine where I am.

And using drugs is not a civil right. It infringes upon other people's right to a safe environment.

Pray tell how is someone smoking a joint, behind a locked door, in the privacy of his own home, creating an unsafe enviornment for anyone else?

And BTW, wouldn't an unbiased education include both evolution and creationism? I mean, seeing as how most people believe in God, and according to CBS I believe, the majority of Americans want creationism to be taught in schools alongside evolution, both sides should be taught in schools. I say this as someone who believes evolution is true, and is not religious at all.

Should creationism be taught, as part of a larger religious studies class, where several major religions past and present are discussed, and their creation myths detailed? Sure, once the necessary classes of math, science, english etc are met. I have no problem with creationsm being taught, in a relgious studies class, as long as other religions are given fair and equitable treatment.

Should it be taught as an alternative to evolution in a science class? Absolutly not. Not because it is religion, but because it is not science.

ACLU came for a presentation at my school and told us it was made up, and that the purpose of the Revolution was actually so that we could all freely develop and received a high-quality and free education, healthcare, childcare, housing and food, if nescessary.

I thought you said you got this from your elective "Constitution Class" teacher? Anyway, can you name a single revolutionist who demanded free health care? You cant believe everything anyone (Even an adult of prestigious standing) tells you.

Also, most founders were agnostic- the god reference was used to imply that the government does not have the power to restrict those rights under anything but the most crucial of circumstances. You do not recieve your rights from the government anyway.

I never said that the goals of people didn't change but we are talking about history not current politics(which are still very capitalist compared to the rest of the world). However, given the nature of our nation we have been very capitalistic, we called the New Deal socialism and we were the major power in a struggle between capitalism and communism and the fact that we are considered very capitalistic today I would say that capitalism is a defining part of our system. I mean, come on, Clinton's plan for healthcare which would have been thrown out as too capitalistic in many other nations is considered socialistic here, and free education only exists up to 12th grade and not beyond that and we most certainly are not for universally free housing or food, you pay for what you want. Of course we have some charities which can pay for upper level education, healthcare and etc, but those are not based upon the constitution and they do not detract from our self-determining nature.

Hell, YOU GET OUT! I never said I was mistreated by the law, I never said that I wanted to step on poor people, I only said that America has been historically very capitalistic and was founded on very capitalist ideas considering the fact that laissez-faire and even corporatism existed in our system for quite a few of the early years, of course the latter hurt us and even led to/worsened the Great Depression(high tariffs are bad). Now, you can take that however the hell you want, I am not leaving this country just because some douche over the internet tells me to do so. I apologize for being a bit foul mouthed but still, if you don't like it then you leave. I am fine where I am.

You're arguing a strawman. There is no one that claims the revolution was about it.

Meanwhile, you complain about the protection of the poor as unAmerican, but it is apparently happening.... in America. I know it's a tough row to hoe. I was being sarcastic about your rich man's burden. It doesn't warrant flames and I recommend you familiarize yourself with the OSRS. If you can't keep within the rules perhaps you should avoid this 'douche'. I'm sorry that you don't like it when you're line of crap is met with an equally hyperbolous and wildly sarcastic opposite line of crap. I never told you to leave. I told you have options.

I love it. I love every bit of protecting the poor. The fact that I happen to be in the upper class doesn't make me feel like I deserve more, but like I'm lucky and should recognize it. I got a free education. My family was poor. They were good people who worked every bit as hard as I do today and the most American thing one can do is protect mobility and protect people's access to the American dream.

The ACLU protects the rights this country was founded on. You don't like it. No suprise there. Protecting our rights treats all people as equal not just the ones you don't think are 'douches'.

And BTW, wouldn't an unbiased education include both evolution and creationism? I mean, seeing as how most people believe in God, and according to CBS I believe, the majority of Americans want creationism to be taught in schools alongside evolution, both sides should be taught in schools. I say this as someone who believes evolution is true, and is not religious at all.

The thing is, Creationism appeals to an unproven, unverifiable higher authority as the central tenet of the whole shebang. So if it's to be thought, it belongs in religious studies class. The religious fruitcakes want it thought as a science which has about as much verifiable fact as scientology.

I know, lol, how the fuck can you link pedophilia with R2D2???
He's reffering to that "Satanic Ritual Abuse" hysteria in the 1980s. One of the children testified to being molested by a robot resembling R2D2. It was one of the more obvious examples of false memory syndrome.
This is interesting. We experienced this first hand when my daughter and several other straight A students were given ISS (In School Suspension) for publishing a newspaper without consent from the principal. I asked the principal to explain the Right to Free Speech to me and he said, "Your consitutional rights stop at THAT DOOR"

I just had to fucking laugh....and slap the kids on the back and say, "Good Job kids....you exposed the system for what it is....an oppressive 'educational' tyrant."
It would be nice if children were given real rights, wouldn't it? Of course I'm going to get my modives questioned for suggesting it, but I've felt this way since experiencing that opression myself when I was a child. There is no free speech, and there is no due process if you're under 18. It isn't a right I can ask for on my own behalf, but it would be nice if at least these two rights were protected for children.

As for my own rights, I'd like to do whatever I want so long as no one else is harmed by my actions. That would be a kick ass right, don't you think? Too bad it's never going to happen.

The right to own automatic weapons.