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I was reading the comment/opinion section of the local paper today, and this guy made a comment about the flood that happened around here..

I'd like you people who don't believe in the Bible to consider something: We just went through five or six days of rain. Imagine all the flooding that happened just around here in five or six days. What would happen if it rained for 40 days and 40 nights steadily? I wonder. If you don't believe in the Bible, I think you should.
... what?

Does anyone think that makes sense? Could you please explain it to me?

It makes sense, but it doesn't proove anything.

That really doesn't make sense. It's like saying: "A man died in a car crash yesterday. Imagine if he died on the cross. More people should believe in the Bible"

I was reading the comment/opinion section of the local paper today, and this guy made a comment about the flood that happened around here..


... what?

Does anyone think that makes sense? Could you please explain it to me?

Maybe he's thinking there could be a lot more and you're all gonna die and it's time to convert to take your place in heaven.

Personally I think he's an ass!
:p

it's pretty retarded, yeah

It sure ain't gonna convert anyone.

Seriously, the ardent Christian has to get out and read some Christian theological texts, get some historical knowledge, some "Christian History" under him. And take courses in reasoned debate, rather than "saying stuff and hoping it sticks" debate.

There are too many believers out there, who, through no fault of their own, let down their cause to convert by 1) not having even anecdotal backups for anything they say other than the Bible that they are reading from {and sorry,guys, that one book, as good as it is, doesn't necessarily "speak to" a non-believer},

and 2)not know ing really how to talk to someone outside of people they already know.

That's a damned shame. By not getting in the ring, they allow the Braying Stupids on either side to dictate the rules of the debate.

And the guy quoted in the OP may BE one of the Braying Stupids.

Or not. But we can't tell, becuase of poor communication.

I was reading the comment/opinion section of the local paper today, and this guy made a comment about the flood that happened around here..


... what?

Does anyone think that makes sense? Could you please explain it to me?


Imagine if A were B. Therefore C is true.

Flawed logic if I've ever seen it.

People confuse me.

I was reading the comment/opinion section of the local paper today, and this guy made a comment about the flood that happened around here..


... what?

Does anyone think that makes sense? Could you please explain it to me?
Well, what I think is that it doesn't have to make sense to anyone except the fellow who exercised his right to have it published.

Good on him.

It sure ain't gonna convert anyone.

Seriously, the ardent Christian has to get out and read some Christian theological texts, get some historical knowledge, some "Christian History" under him. And take courses in reasoned debate, rather than "saying stuff and hoping it sticks" debate.

There are too many believers out there, who, through no fault of their own, let down their cause to convert by 1) not having even anecdotal backups for anything they say other than the Bible that they are reading from {and sorry,guys, that one book, as good as it is, doesn't necessarily "speak to" a non-believer},

and 2)not know ing really how to talk to someone outside of people they already know.

That's a damned shame. By not getting in the ring, they allow the Braying Stupids on either side to dictate the rules of the debate.

And the guy quoted in the OP may BE one of the Braying Stupids.

Or not. But we can't tell, becuase of poor communication.

I keep getting people who work in buildings that I regularly visit in London tell me that I should convert and quote verse after verse of bible stuff at me. One said that he had been "told" speak to me. Somone even prayed for me last week while I was there and all I asked was

"how's things"

never again - it turned into a 20 min bible lecture. I went to Catholic junior school and had to read bible stuff on a daily basis and to this day I have never believed in God. No amount of people telling me otherwise will change this.

It's nearly as irritating as Jehovah's witnesses knocking on the door and trying to convert - it's just never gonna happen.
:(

Well, what I think is that it doesn't have to make sense to anyone except the fellow who exercised his right to have it published.

Good on him.
Good on him?

For directing a comment at non-believers, it should make sense.

I keep getting people who work in buildings that I regularly visit in London tell me that I should convert and quote verse after verse of bible stuff at me. One said that he had been "told" speak to me.
:(


That. Fucking. Sucks.

For you, and for them.

Imagine what their lives are like. All the joys of honestly communicating with someone, all the imaginative power, subordinated, so that this person can become a bullhorn for their pastor or whatever church leader forces this action.

The Braying Stupids multiply. The worst of them do it both genetically and mentally-mimetically, "taking over" those whose only weakness was a poverty of the imagination.

It makes sense, but it doesn't make a point.

Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, [approaches and softens] does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests

That man is the embodiment of my belief that some (most?) people should not be able to vote.

That man is the embodiment of my belief that some (most?) people should not be able to vote.
Ah!

Now THERE's something that makes no sense.

:)

Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, [approaches and softens] does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests

*LOL*

Good ol' Southpark!!!

:D

That. Fucking. Sucks.

For you, and for them.

Imagine what their lives are like. All the joys of honestly communicating with someone, all the imaginative power, subordinated, so that this person can become a bullhorn for their pastor or whatever church leader forces this action.

The Braying Stupids multiply. The worst of them do it both genetically and mentally-mimetically, "taking over" those whose only weakness was a poverty of the imagination.

Yes. I'll always stop and talk/listen to people though even if I don't agree with what they're saying.

I often wonder on percentage of people who actually choose religion rather than aquire it through being raised by religious families.

Yes. I'll always stop and talk/listen to people though even if I don't agree with what they're saying.


Where do you work that gets so many people talking about religion?

I was reading the comment/opinion section of the local paper today, and this guy made a comment about the flood that happened around here..


... what?

Does anyone think that makes sense? Could you please explain it to me?

He's just exploiting a natural disaster to publicize his beliefs. He's basically saying, "Hey, suckers! You might not believe in the bible now, but if it ever rains excessively, you'll come crying to the church." He's being cantankerous; make nothing of it.

Where do you work that gets so many people talking about religion?

Commercial premises all over London (city and West End) It's usually the security guards. Buildings I go to every month where they kinda know me. The one who prayed for me I've seen for 4 years and he's never even mentioned god before and then I got the lecture. He felt that he had to say something, he felt that I'm a good person with love for others etc. etc.

None of them have been English so far, usually African (Nigerian) and an Egyptian.

not at all. this dude who posted this is a retard. its like saying "some dude just built a canal to separate a portion of the dead sea, and moses separated the dead sea, so you should believe in the bible." this guy just wants to preach about his religion, but he cna't think of any good reason that proves that it is "the truth". i hate people like this dude.:headbang: :upyours: :sniper: :mp5:

He raises the point that 40 days and nights of rain would result in a great flood. That is fine, but why should we believe in the bible just because large amounts of rain can cause flooding? Considering that many religions have a flood myth, it is altogether possible that there was a great flood. This doesn't change the fact that Bible implies Great Flood, not Great Flood implies Bible.

I was reading the comment/opinion section of the local paper today, and this guy made a comment about the flood that happened around here..


... what?

Does anyone think that makes sense? Could you please explain it to me?
I think that he is arguing that the flood of Noah is plausible (which to that kind of person is the same as proven) because you have seen how bad a flood is...

I think that he is arguing that the flood of Noah is plausible (which to that kind of person is the same as proven) because you have seen how bad a flood is...

Yeah, but I'd still like to see a boat big enough to house 2 of every animal on + them all getting on happily!
:p

Yeah, but I'd still like to see a boat big enough to house 2 of every animal on + them all getting on happily!
:p
...for 150 days.

He is making the assumption that if you don't believe in God it's because you don't believe in the Noah story, so if he can convince you that rain can make a flood then you will buy in for the whole Bible, redemption story and all and save yourself before you drown and go to hell.........yeah, my aunt is like that.

;)

She once told me that Jesus was really real because they found the temple in Israel, so when I asked her if Mufasa was really real because they found a rock in Africa, she tried to hit me. :( I have great faith, don't get me wrong, but trying to "prove" God with logic, and even worse with faulty logic, is at best stupid and at worst insulting to the Great Almighty. ;)

He is making the assumption that if you don't believe in God it's because you don't believe in the Noah story, so if he can convince you that rain can make a flood then you will buy in for the whole Bible, redemption story and all and save yourself before you drown and go to hell.........yeah, my aunt is like that.

;)

She once told me that Jesus was really real because they found the temple in Israel, so when I asked her if Mufasa was really real because they found a rock in Africa, she tried to hit me. :( I have great faith, don't get me wrong, but trying to "prove" God with logic, and even worse with faulty logic, is at best stupid and at worst insulting to the Great Almighty. ;)

Even though I'm an atheist and you're god squad - you're still my hero!
:p

I was reading the comment/opinion section of the local paper today, and this guy made a comment about the flood that happened around here..


... what?

Does anyone think that makes sense? Could you please explain it to me?

Very flawed logic. He's trying to force a relationship between two unrelated things. Don't worry about it, it can't be explained because there is no rational thought here.

Easy response:

"I'd like you people who don't believe in evolution. We have experience Micro evolution with tuburculosis/aids etc. Now imagine that micro evolution over millions of years"

Easy response:

"I'd like you people who don't believe in evolution. We have experience Micro evolution with tuburculosis/aids etc. Now imagine that micro evolution over millions of years"

I saw something similar on a post and then somone replied with something along the lines of:

"maybe evolution is just an act of god"

Ah!

Now THERE's something that makes no sense.

:)
What?
The thought of that man voting physically disgusts me. No wonder we have the likes of Bush in office.

Even though I'm an atheist and you're god squad - you're still my hero!
:p

I prefer the term 'god-people'.

I prefer the term 'god-people'.

Nah, doesn't sound as cool.:rolleyes:

I prefer it if people give me all their money, but it's never gonna happen:(

:)

I was reading the comment/opinion section of the local paper today, and this guy made a comment about the flood that happened around here..


... what?

Does anyone think that makes sense? Could you please explain it to me?
It makes sense, though it's a stupid comment.
Accually, I read somewhere that a great flood realy happened. How true the story of Noa is, I can't say, but a tremendous flood, that covered like, 2/3 of Europe, and wiped out tons of people did.

"maybe evolution is just an act of god"
THAT, is 100 percent my veiw.

http://www.frayn.net/evolution/claim2.html

Uh, yeah, rain lasting 40 days and nights sure would be a problem. Too bad it has nothing to do with the freaking Bible.

THAT, is 100 percent my veiw.

Well I hope when the time comes your beliefs are right 'cos otherwise you're gonna be VERY dissappointed.

Uh, yeah, rain lasting 40 days and nights sure would be a problem. Too bad it has nothing to do with the freaking Bible.

Um....Noah story ring any bells?

:D

He's just exploiting a natural disaster to publicize his beliefs. He's basically saying, "Hey, suckers! You might not believe in the bible now, but if it ever rains excessively, you'll come crying to the church." He's being cantankerous; make nothing of it.

See, if he'd said this, that would at least make sense. It probably is what he meant, but what he said was "Since A, then B so you should do C" when there was no logical way that the occurrence of A proves the occurrence of B.

http://www.frayn.net/evolution/claim2.html

Man I love science stuff. I am a geek though. :p

Man I love science stuff. I am a geek though. :p

Yeah I'd read that before and it took me a bit to dig it up again. Praise Google, hallowed be it's name.

Yeah I'd read that before and it took me a bit to dig it up again. Praise Google, hallowed be it's name.

Amen

:p

Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, [approaches and softens] does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests

What... the hell...:confused:

What... the hell...:confused:

Chewbacca defense, South Park.

What... the hell...:confused:

It's just a quote from Southpark. It's a good bit where what he's saying didn't make sense. The thread is about the mans statement making sense (or not).

It's always good to inject a little humour. :D

Chewbacca defense, South Park.

man I hate it when people get there before me. :mad:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_Defense

But saying A was better than B so you should do C, is retarded. That guy is a Fundie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_Defense

Good 'ol Wikipedia.

If you can find a clip you'll be my new hero!

Good 'ol Wikipedia.

If you can find a clip you'll be my new hero!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTd77TB8ef8&search=Chewbacca%20Defense

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTd77TB8ef8&search=Chewbacca%20Defense

*BOWS TO HIS NEW HERO*

:eek:

Some of these arguments really get on my nerves, for two major reasons.

Firstly, it's not so much the fact that the argument illogical, but that clearly no effort has been put into making a substantial case at all. There are some well argued points in favour of the existence of God. "It rains, therefore God exists." is not one of them. Come on, man, put a bit of effort into it.

Secondly, how arrogant do you have to be to think that a single paragraph in the opinion section of a newspaper is going to make someone change their religious beliefs?

ps Chewbacca defense rocks!