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Would someone please explain to me why there is such hate? I've been reading some forum topics, and it seems that the majority of the people on NS believe in equality, etc., but some individuals just hate. They discriminate.
For example, on the gay marriage issue, the basic arguement to it is; "No. Jesus doesn't like it. Neither do I. Eeeww...GAY." I simply don't understand how someone can be so blind as to attempt to deny an individual rights to ANYTHING, judging by their race, religion, sex, sexual preferences, etc.
I may just be a silly little teenaged boy, but all the blatantly ignorant hatred just does not make any sense to me. So I ask of you, would you please explain to me why you hate? Or rather, why there is hate?

We don't hate, we debate! Er, well, sloganizing aside, I have no idea why people take the attitudes they do - by which I mean not wanting to consider rational discussion - but it's an accepted part of the boards. *shrug*

The people who discriminate against gays are generally trolls that go away after a while.

I hate in order to fulfill a great need to angrily bitch-slap inequity, and all those who support it, right upside the head. This is why I had to leave the Unitarians; I just could no longer bear to tolerate the intolerant - I couldn't even pretend to tolerate intolerance anymore.

There are some people who do not love their fellow-man, and I hate people like that.

I hate in order to fulfill a great need to angrily bitch-slap inequity, and all those who support it, right upside the head. This is why I had to leave the Unitarians; I just could no longer bear to tolerate the intolerant - I couldn't even pretend to tolerate intolerance anymore.

I'm exactly the same way. What I hate the most is hate.

Would someone please explain to me why there is such hate? I've been reading some forum topics, and it seems that the majority of the people on NS believe in equality, etc., but some individuals just hate. They discriminate.
For example, on the gay marriage issue, the basic arguement to it is; "No. Jesus doesn't like it. Neither do I. Eeeww...GAY." I simply don't understand how someone can be so blind as to attempt to deny an individual rights to ANYTHING, judging by their race, religion, sex, sexual preferences, etc.
I may just be a silly little teenaged boy, but all the blatantly ignorant hatred just does not make any sense to me. So I ask of you, would you please explain to me why you hate? Or rather, why there is hate?

Not to mention those who hate religion and do their best to try to destroy it. Those who hate America! Those who hate france, etc. There is alot of hatred on this board and certain discussions bring out those hatreds.

Welcome to NS General. You'll get used to the hatred after awhile. It is here and is accepted part of the board.

Not to mention those who hate religion and do their best to try to destroy it. Those who hate America! Those who hate france, etc. There is alot of hatred on this board and certain discussions bring out those hatreds.

Welcome to NS General. You'll get used to the hatred after awhile. It is here and is accepted part of the board.

Unless you're me... and then you just get confused...

I don't get it either. And I seem to be incapable of hate. Seriously - I don't hate, and I couldn't understand why other people do, so I tried to hate. And failed. Miserably. (no, I didn't do anything mean in the attempt, I just tried to get the emotion so I could understand it).

Unless you're me... and then you just get confused...

I don't get it either. And I seem to be incapable of hate. Seriously - I don't hate, and I couldn't understand why other people do, so I tried to hate. And failed. Miserably. (no, I didn't do anything mean in the attempt, I just tried to get the emotion so I could understand it).

I'm glad that you understand what message I'm trying to convey.

I'm glad that you understand what message I'm trying to convey.

Let me put it to you this way. Do your best to stay in the middle of the road. Of course, this will probably resort to both sides hating you for you are not taking either side :D

People fear what they cannot understand and what they do not have experiance with. With fear comes hatred (Insert Yoda's path to the darkside speech here).

With the Internet comes the mask that allows them to release their hatred that normally they would not dare release.

And of course there are those who will attack it when they find it, starting the endless waltz that is NS General.

No, I do not know why we do it either.

I tend to be a person of strong dislikes. For instance, I vehemently hate all children, most parents, many politicians and so on. I'm trying to cut back on this to reach my intended ideals of no emotion whatsoever; pure reason. However, it is difficult. I'm almost becoming addicted to it....

People fear what they cannot understand and what they do not have experiance with. With fear comes hatred (Insert Yoda's path to the darkside speech here).

With the Internet comes the mask that allows them to release their hatred that normally they would not dare release.

And of course there are those who will attack it when they find it, starting the endless waltz that is NS General.

No, I do not know why we do it either.

I don't think none of us do.

I'm glad that you understand what message I'm trying to convey.

I take it that you are incapable of hate too, then? You'd be the first not-me person that I know who is incapable of hate, then. This would make me quite happy, as I thought this was a case that I would be alone in.

lol i hate hate haters!

Hate? Hate, no. Frustrated, yes... I can't say I hate anyone here in NS general.

OH NO! Sorry, I don't hate gays, they're fine. No gay should be allowed, it doesn't make sense, and the day it's allowed in the U.S. (which I'm sure it eventually will be) will be the day I make preperations to leave.
I don't care what you think, their church could marry them, but it should never be a legal thing. By making it legal, you are forcing me to acknowlage gay marrige as being "okay". It's not. It's wrong.

OH NO! Sorry, I don't hate gays, they're fine. No gay should be allowed, it doesn't make sense, and the day it's allowed in the U.S. (which I'm sure it eventually will be) will be the day I make preperations to leave.
I don't care what you think, their church could marry them, but it should never be a legal thing. By making it legal, you are forcing me to acknowlage gay marrige as being "okay". It's not. It's wrong.

:rolleyes: This is not a gay marriage thread, move it along.

I don't think none of us do.
Incorrect. I don't.

Double negatives do make a positive, Corny.

Incorrect. I don't.

Double negatives do make a positive, Corny.
Better phrased as, "I don't think any of us do".

I take it that you are incapable of hate too, then? You'd be the first not-me person that I know who is incapable of hate, then. This would make me quite happy, as I thought this was a case that I would be alone in.

The only thing that I really hate is the Holocaust and other such events of hatred. I think that my extreme pacifism angers most of my friends. For example, one day I was playing God of War with one of my friends. I made a comment that it was a good stress reliever/way of venting anger. He replied, "You get angry?" :) Yeah, there aren't many people like us. lol

The only thing that I really hate is the Holocaust and other such events of hatred. I think that my extreme pacifism angers most of my friends. For example, one day I was playing God of War with one of my friends. I made a comment that it was a good stress reliever/way of venting anger. He replied, "You get angry?" :) Yeah, there aren't many people like us. lol

Sure, I'll hate certain events. Or, I think I hate them... *begins to debate that, thinks it might be dislike not hate* erm....
Oh, I can get angry easily enough. I can even lash out. But then I feel really bad. In fact, sometimes I feel guilty before I lash out... :(

The only thing that I really hate is the Holocaust and other such events of hatred. I think that my extreme pacifism angers most of my friends. For example, one day I was playing God of War with one of my friends. I made a comment that it was a good stress reliever/way of venting anger. He replied, "You get angry?" :) Yeah, there aren't many people like us. lol
Hating hatred is like trying to put out a fire with gasoline. It fuels itself.

I hate the Holocaust less than I hate the crying baby on the train opposite me, despite having ancestors who were victims thereof (of the Holocaust, I mean, not the crying baby). Why? The Holocaust doesn't have the immediacy of the stupid mother who's yelling at her kid and causing it to start crying and disturbing my restful commuting. I'm just like that, I guess.

If we didn't have people who, rationally or irrationally, hate things then NS general would much quieter.

I take it that you are incapable of hate too, then? You'd be the first not-me person that I know who is incapable of hate, then. This would make me quite happy, as I thought this was a case that I would be alone in.

I mightve fallen for this if you had'nt just disrespected horseradish grilled cheese on sourdough. Cheesist.

I mightve fallen for this if you had'nt just disrespected harseradish grilled cheese on sourdough. Cheesist.

Cheesist? Never! Smoked gouda is the best! Although I'm not sure I'd want that for grilled cheese either...
Actually, my real problem is the horseradish. :/

Cheesist? Never! Smoked gouda is the best! Although I'm not sure I'd want that for grilled cheese either...
Actually, my real problem is the horseradish. :/

Loving smoked gouda and hating other cheeses is the very definition of cheesist. Besides "horseradishist" doesnt have that same snappy ring to it that "cheesist" does.

Loving smoked gouda and hating other cheeses is the very definition of cheesist. Besides "horseradishist" doesnt have that same snappy ring to it that "cheesist" does.

I don't hate cheese. :(

I don't hate cheese. :(

Except those that have horseradish in their lineage:rolleyes: ?

Harumph! ;)

If we didn't have people who, rationally or irrationally, hate things then NS general would much quieter.

Exactly, can anyone here imagine emotionless Political & Religous debate.... It's just not going to happen.

Would someone please explain to me why there is such hate? I've been reading some forum topics, and it seems that the majority of the people on NS believe in equality, etc., but some individuals just hate. They discriminate.
For example, on the gay marriage issue, the basic arguement to it is; "No. Jesus doesn't like it. Neither do I. Eeeww...GAY." I simply don't understand how someone can be so blind as to attempt to deny an individual rights to ANYTHING, judging by their race, religion, sex, sexual preferences, etc.
I may just be a silly little teenaged boy, but all the blatantly ignorant hatred just does not make any sense to me. So I ask of you, would you please explain to me why you hate? Or rather, why there is hate?


Beacuse people are differtant and not everybody things alike. Thats just plain and simple humanity that is, get used to it coz it will not change, and concentrate on tolerance instead. Heheh shit or just plainly disagree with me, at least that way I know who I can talk to and who I should just ignore.

The people who discriminate against gays are generally trolls that go away after a while.


But the ones who hate Christians never do.

But the ones who hate Christians never do.

Ain't that the sorry truth.

So I ask of you, would you please explain to me why you hate? Or rather, why there is hate?

It keeps them warm at night, son.

Who needs hot water bottles and blankets, when you got hatred to wrap yourself in? To keep the chill of fear, the unknown away?

Sometimes, you can hear the echoes of jackboots resounding from the past into the present and future.

Can you?

Sometimes, you can hear the echoes of jackboots resounding from the past into the present and future.Oh.. Sorry. Didn't know it was nappy time. I'll tread more carefully.

Oh.. Sorry. Didn't know it was nappy time. I'll tread more carefully.

Enjoy the trip....

I hate in order to fulfill a great need to angrily bitch-slap inequity, and all those who support it, right upside the head. This is why I had to leave the Unitarians; I just could no longer bear to tolerate the intolerant - I couldn't even pretend to tolerate intolerance anymore.

Strangely enough, it seems that those who preach tolerance are the least tolerant people. "We mus tolerate *Name whatever group is popular at the moment* but we will not tolerarate those who oppose this group (or indeed think in any way different from us." Tolerance has become its own hate group.

Case in point: We are told to tolerate everyone, yet racists, homophobes etc, are treated with the very same hate.

Hypocracy is a wonderful thing.

Strangely enough, it seems that those who preach tolerance are the least tolerant people. "We mus tolerate *Name whatever group is popular at the moment* but we will not tolerarate those who oppose this group (or indeed think in any way different from us." Tolerance has become its own hate group.

Case in point: We are told to tolerate everyone, yet racists, homophobes etc, are treated with the very same hate.

Hypocracy is a wonderful thing.
I hate these "Why don't people tolerate my intolerance" arguments, like tolerance doesn't have an opposite.

I hate these "Why don't people tolerate my intolerance" arguments, like tolerance doesn't have an opposite.

Hate away. It just proves my point: Tolerance is fine as long as you tolerate the right (read PC) things. :rolleyes:

Hate away. It just proves my point: Tolerance is fine as long as you tolerate the right (read PC) things. :rolleyes:
You're equating tolerance with acceptance. You don't have to like something in order to tolerate it. I tolerate the rights of people to be assholes, but I don't have to like them while they do it. People have the right to be racist, and I tolerate that right, but I hate their beliefs and despise their actions. There's only a contradiction there if you misunderstand what tolerance means.

Which is why that whole "you're being intolerant if you hate my intolerance" whinging argument is crap.

You're equating tolerance with acceptance. You don't have to like something in order to tolerate it. I tolerate the rights of people to be assholes, but I don't have to like them while they do it. People have the right to be racist, and I tolerate that right, but I hate their beliefs and despise their actions. There's only a contradiction there if you misunderstand what tolerance means.

Which is why that whole "you're being intolerant if you hate my intolerance" whinging argument is crap.

Point conceded. I don't like being told what I should believe, from either side of an issue. I prefer to think for myself.

You're equating tolerance with acceptance. You don't have to like something in order to tolerate it. I tolerate the rights of people to be assholes, but I don't have to like them while they do it. People have the right to be racist, and I tolerate that right, but I hate their beliefs and despise their actions. There's only a contradiction there if you misunderstand what tolerance means.

Which is why that whole "you're being intolerant if you hate my intolerance" whinging argument is crap.

That's all very well and good, and I share your view on that, but I found that PC means something different. It was explained to us when I worked for Qwest.

You SHALL accept (not tolerate) on pain of dismissal <fill in PC topic of the day>.

Which isn't that big of a problem - conceptually, I can pretend to accept just about anything until I get home. What I find that "forced" acceptance does is just push the hate under the surface - it is still there, and will always be there, regardless of policies to the contrary.

Take a look at Yugoslavia. For four or five decades, the various parties held their tongues until the central government weakened. All the hate was still there, undissipated by the passage of time and the forcible "we shall all love each other as Communist brothers".

That's all very well and good, and I share your view on that, but I found that PC means something different. It was explained to us when I worked for Qwest.

You SHALL accept (not tolerate) on pain of dismissal <fill in PC topic of the day>.

Which isn't that big of a problem - conceptually, I can pretend to accept just about anything until I get home. What I find that "forced" acceptance does is just push the hate under the surface - it is still there, and will always be there, regardless of policies to the contrary.

Take a look at Yugoslavia. For four or five decades, the various parties held their tongues until the central government weakened. All the hate was still there, undissipated by the passage of time and the forcible "we shall all love each other as Communist brothers".
Everytime I see someone complain "PC" I can't help but think "boogeyman."

Everytime I see someone complain "PC" I can't help but think "boogeyman."

Woah woah woah. Don't you mean "boogeyindividual?" Let's not discriminate...

Pah. I hate no poster...... much....

That's all very well and good, and I share your view on that, but I found that PC means something different. It was explained to us when I worked for Qwest.

You SHALL accept (not tolerate) on pain of dismissal <fill in PC topic of the day>.

Which isn't that big of a problem - conceptually, I can pretend to accept just about anything until I get home. What I find that "forced" acceptance does is just push the hate under the surface - it is still there, and will always be there, regardless of policies to the contrary.

Take a look at Yugoslavia. For four or five decades, the various parties held their tongues until the central government weakened. All the hate was still there, undissipated by the passage of time and the forcible "we shall all love each other as Communist brothers".First of all, the effect of PC has always been overblown, usually by those who have a vested interest in expressing hateful and/or hurtful speech.

Secondly, there's a huge difference between what happens at a place of business and what happens at home or in public. If I own a business, I have a right to determine what is acceptable and what is unacceptable in terms of speech by my employees while they're working for me. Rasist speech, for instance, can affect my business negatively, and there are no First Amendment protections in the workplace.

There's a huge difference between PC in the workplace and what you described in Yugoslavia (or what's going on in Iraq right now). They are not an exact correlation--one involves a segment of an individual's life and the other involves being forced by the government to act in a certain manner.

You're equating tolerance with acceptance. You don't have to like something in order to tolerate it. I tolerate the rights of people to be assholes, but I don't have to like them while they do it. People have the right to be racist, and I tolerate that right, but I hate their beliefs and despise their actions. There's only a contradiction there if you misunderstand what tolerance means.

Which is why that whole "you're being intolerant if you hate my intolerance" whinging argument is crap.

Oh goody. I'm intolerant and unaccepting.

It keeps them warm at night, son.
Who needs hot water bottles and blankets, when you got hatred to wrap yourself in? To keep the chill of fear, the unknown away?
Sometimes, you can hear the echoes of jackboots resounding from the past into the present and future.
Can you?

Hey, State of It, quit pretending you can write like Garth Ennis. Don't be so damned glib.;)

I agree that the OP is...suspect. The notion that this teenager "feels no hate" and is responding to it with a wide-eyed wonder like some alien that just dropped in to visit Earth...irritating. Almost...condescending.

This is one of the reasons I dislike nouveau-hippies. They pretend "not to judge" and claim they "don't hate anyone".

It's all bullshit, of course, a thin veneer of legitimacy to hide what's really going on: they don't want to have to use their power of discriminating between correct and incorrect behavior, for fear of having to commit, and they similarly don't want to openly express hate, for fear of having to face the consequences of that hate.

Original Poster, I hope this does not describe you.

You can't let fear overwhelm you.

Further, you're going to have to come to terms with something. Hatred is real, as an emotion it is legitimate, it can be useful, and not feeling hatred (or, more likely, not acknowledging it) means you are missing a vital part of what it means to be a human.

Don't let these posters who bitch on and on about "political correctness" (including me) muddy the issue. "PC" is a largely meaningless term due to its subjectivity.

Hatred exists, and shows itself in ways that are bad and worse. As exemplified by many of the halfwits who troll.

But it also prompts useful, decisive actions as well.

You're equating tolerance with acceptance. You don't have to like something in order to tolerate it. I tolerate the rights of people to be assholes, but I don't have to like them while they do it. People have the right to be racist, and I tolerate that right, but I hate their beliefs and despise their actions. There's only a contradiction there if you misunderstand what tolerance means.

Which is why that whole "you're being intolerant if you hate my intolerance" whinging argument is crap.

Spot on old chap!

There are some people who do not love their fellow-man, and I hate people like that.

Are you maybe misquoting this...

I'm sure we all agree that we ought to love one another and I know there are people in the world that do not love their fellow human beings and I hate people like that.

Not to mention those who hate religion and do their best to try to destroy it. Those who hate America! Those who hate france, etc.

"Of course God hates the French: Everybody hates the French"

(Elder Aron Davis in Latter Days)
:D

You're equating tolerance with acceptance. You don't have to like something in order to tolerate it. I tolerate the rights of people to be assholes, but I don't have to like them while they do it. People have the right to be racist, and I tolerate that right, but I hate their beliefs and despise their actions. There's only a contradiction there if you misunderstand what tolerance means.

Which is why that whole "you're being intolerant if you hate my intolerance" whinging argument is crap.

Actually, no, that's not right for tolerance. You don't have to like something in order to suffer it. Suffering (something) < accepting (something) < tolerating (something) < loving (something). So, I agree with what you are saying, if you put "suffering" in where you have tolerance. Good point!

Actually, no, that's not right for tolerance. You don't have to like something in order to suffer it. Suffering (something) < accepting (something) < tolerating (something) < loving (something). So, I agree with what you are saying, if you put "suffering" in where you have tolerance. Good point!The words are actually very similar. Look at the etymology of tolerance (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=tolerate&searchmode=none):
1412, "endurance, fortitude," from O.Fr. tolerance (14c.), from L. tolerantia "endurance," from tolerans, prp. of tolerare "to bear, endure, tolerate" (see toleration). Of authorities, in the sense of "permissive," first recorded 1539; of individuals, with the sense of "free from bigotry or severity," 1765. Meaning "allowable amount of variation" dates from 1868; and physiological sense of "ability to take large doses" first recorded 1875. Tolerant is recorded from 1784. The verb tolerate is attested from 1531.Bearing and enduring certainly have the same basic meaning as suffer, the way you're using it anyway.

Hey, State of It, quit pretending you can write like Garth Ennis. Don't be so damned glib.;)

Just Telling the kid, that's all. ;)



I agree that the OP is...suspect. The notion that this teenager "feels no hate" and is responding to it with a wide-eyed wonder like some alien that just dropped in to visit Earth...irritating. Almost...condescending.


It could be seen as that, but it could be seen as many things.

Because they feel like it. God!
But otherwise it's because they're obstinate. And opinionated. And ornery.

The words are actually very similar. Look at the etymology of tolerance (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=tolerate&searchmode=none):
Bearing and enduring certainly have the same basic meaning as suffer, the way you're using it anyway.

They are similar. It's the minute details that causes the difference. If you look at the bit about the individual, that's where the details come in. :)

Would someone please explain to me why there is such hate? I've been reading some forum topics, and it seems that the majority of the people on NS believe in equality, etc., but some individuals just hate. They discriminate.
For example, on the gay marriage issue, the basic arguement to it is; "No. Jesus doesn't like it. Neither do I. Eeeww...GAY." I simply don't understand how someone can be so blind as to attempt to deny an individual rights to ANYTHING, judging by their race, religion, sex, sexual preferences, etc.
I may just be a silly little teenaged boy, but all the blatantly ignorant hatred just does not make any sense to me. So I ask of you, would you please explain to me why you hate? Or rather, why there is hate?

I hate a lot. I hate road ragers. I hate Poltical Correct speech and affirmative action. I hate teenage parents. I hate people who are cruel to animals and people. I hate violent criminals. I hate debt. I hate governments that torture and imprison people based on their religious or political beliefs. I do not see anything wrong with my hatreds. I think if I did not hate these things I would not have a conscience. There is nothing wrong with hating.

I dislike a lot of things and disagree with them. I disagree with open displays of gayness (keep it in the closet guys!) but I do not hate gays. I disagree with pro-lifers but I do not hate them. I disagree with gun control advocates but I donot hate them (but I probably would if they actually threatened my right to be heavily armed). If I am against gayboys, gun control nuts, or pro-lifers it does not mean that I hate them. It seems that progressives are so sensitive that if anyone disagrees with them they think that they are hated or something. Oh I also hate anyone who is against wars that help human rights. Oh and flag burners too. If you do not hate evil I guess you are not very good.

Would someone please explain to me why there is such hate? I've been reading some forum topics, and it seems that the majority of the people on NS believe in equality, etc., but some individuals just hate. They discriminate.
For example, on the gay marriage issue, the basic arguement to it is; "No. Jesus doesn't like it. Neither do I. Eeeww...GAY." I simply don't understand how someone can be so blind as to attempt to deny an individual rights to ANYTHING, judging by their race, religion, sex, sexual preferences, etc.
I may just be a silly little teenaged boy, but all the blatantly ignorant hatred just does not make any sense to me. So I ask of you, would you please explain to me why you hate? Or rather, why there is hate?

In general, and this is not necessarily about any of the people here, people hate what they fear and fear what they don't understand. Some things they don't want to understand because then they would have to revise their world view. Some things can't be understood because the information isn't available.

Anyway hate=fear=ignorance.