NationStates Jolt Archive

I know, it's only tomorrow night, but it's the semifinal, so it's worth the overeagerness.
Plus, if you start now, maybe by the time the game rolls around, Frings' ban will actually have been discussed to everybody's satisfaction.


So - ladies and gentlemen, place your bets!


I say 3:2 Germany in regular (or extra) time.



Poll will be closed at kick-off* to disable the dumbasses that prefer to vote after the fact.

*if I don't screw up the timezone, that is.

ETA: Damn, poll closing time can only be set by day, not hour, so it'll have to stay open after all. Hrmph.


ETA: Okay, just so the cheaters will feel bad when they vote after the game again, here's the poll stats at kickoff :p :


Italy by 3+..... 1
Italy by 2..... 2
Italy by 1..... 17
Italy on Penalties..... 3
Germany on Penalties..... 10
Germany by 1..... 22
Germany by 2..... 16
Germany by 3+..... 1

I think that germany will win 2-1.

Ya i hate people that vote after the game ends aswell.

Germany for teh WIN 3:1

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/deutschland.gifhttp://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/Fanbild3.jpghttp://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/deutschland.gif

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/Deutschland.gif
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/Koenig-klein.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/fussball.jpg

Oooh. And I thought I could manage 1st post again!

Germany wins 2-1. Klose scores 2 goals.

Ugh. They both play horrible football.
Anyway for the prediction: Germany 2-1 in injury-time.

Ugh. They both play horrible football.
Anyway for the prediction: Germany 2-1 in injury-time.
Not as horrible as oranje.
Germany 1-0 in the last few minutes. Like with Poland.

While I would like to see Germany win, as they have played far more entertaining football than Italy, I have a hunch that they will not find the Italian defence AWOL as has happened with some other teams. It will be close, but I am going to say 1 - 0 to Italy (*ducks*).

While I would like to see Germany win, as they have played far more entertaining football than Italy, I have a hunch that they will not find the Italian defence AWOL as has happened with some other teams. It will be close, but I am going to say 1 - 0 to Italy (*ducks*).
Don't make me frings you for real! ;)

I just hope they're going to play a good game, maybe not waiting to score till the last minute.

Ironically, Frings is suspended.....

Ironically, Frings is suspended.....

Hence the adaptation of his name as a verb. :p

Hence the adaptation of his name as a verb. :p

....

'Don't make me "suspend" you for real....'

I... don't wanna know.

*closes eyes, shakes head*

....

'Don't make me "suspend" you for real....'

I... don't wanna know.

*closes eyes, shakes head*
He got suspended for "punching" Cruz, hence "to frings" would be "not really punching s.o."

Oh... you didn't wanna know. :D

I'd like Germany to win. And I think they will, by one goal, but I don't predict a cracker of a match.

I hope Italy wins

or that the German team is mauled in the game, and come off with a lot of red cards, making them easy meat for France

I hope Italy wins

or that the German team is mauled in the game, and come off with a lot of red cards, making them easy meat for France

Look, just because they beat you on penalties is no reason for you to act as badly as some of your players. You can hope they lose, fine. But to hope that they are mauled is just bad sportsmanship. (But what else would we expect from your nation? )

I'm going with 1-0 germany, or 2-1 germany in extra time.

Look, just because they beat you on penalties is no reason for you to act as badly as some of your players. You can hope they lose, fine. But to hope that they are mauled is just bad sportsmanship. (But what else would we expect from your nation? )
what are you English? Brazilian?

anyways... I know we lost, and I do not blame it on the Germans. Our technical team really messed up the substitutions, and our goalie having to leave din't help either. The Germans played well, and better to lose to them than the English

what are you English? Brazilian?

anyways... I know we lost, and I do not blame it on the Germans. Our technical team really messed up the substitutions, and our goalie having to leave din't help either. The Germans played well, and better to lose to them than the English

As near as is possible to both. An Englishman living in Brazil. :p

Yes Pekerman messed up badly, but so did Parreira and Sven Goran Eriksson.

As near as is possible to both. An Englishman living in Brazil. :p

Yes Pekerman messed up badly, but so did Parreira and Sven Goran Eriksson.
Please let Marcello Lippi join their ranks! (With all due respect, of course!)

Not happy about the Frings thing. We'll be missing him...he was the guy who locked out Riquelme and closed the spaces whenever the Argentinians would get into danger areas.

F*cking Argentinians. This is one of those things like Maradonna's hand ball that just confirms that they shouldn't be allowed within 500m of a football pitch. Just ban the nation for 26 years, see whether that'll cure them.

Anyways, a match preview here: http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,424800,00.html

Not happy about the Frings thing. We'll be missing him...he was the guy who locked out Riquelme and closed the spaces whenever the Argentinians would get into danger areas.

And worse than that, he is on my fantasy team. :headbang:

Germany by 2. Either 2-0 or 3-1

Germany 0-2 Italy. I never feel positive about Germany games.

I'm going with Germany 2-0. Italy might get one though. Basically I just want Italy to lose. *g*

Not happy about the Frings thing.

What pisses me off is that:

- The Argentinians didn't care; the ITALIANS brought it up to undermine our team

- Cruz said he didn't feel anything, he didn't care

- When a ref makes a decision, it's final, but FIFA can change theirs any time. They said they wouldn't investigate any German players, and it should have stayed at that

plz. no more polls.

And worse than that, he is on my fantasy team. :headbang:

He was in mine, but I took him out for Schweinsteiger.

I'll be having my little mascot along again, which means Germany will win by two or more goals. :)

I'll be having my little mascot along again, which means Germany will win by two or more goals. :)

If they fire. I think they'll need Odonkor.

If they fire. I think they'll need Odonkor.They'll make it in the penalties at the latest. So far, the Poland game is the only one I didn't manage to watch and that I didn't have my mascot with me. It's the only game that they scored less than 2.

ETA: Damn, poll closing time can only be set by day, not hour, so it'll have to stay open after all. Hrmph.
I had that problem.

As for the game. Germany on penalties.

They'll make it in the penalties at the latest. So far, the Poland game is the only one I didn't manage to watch and that I didn't have my mascot with me. It's the only game that they scored less than 2.

... Make sense.

... Make sense.As soon as I get the pictures from Friday from the person that shot them, I will. ;)

Frings is an important midfielder, but we can cope with losing him. Someone like Ballack would be a bigger lose. The only player, IMO, that we can't afford to lose is Klose. If he gets injured or such, we're royally fucked.

Frings is an important midfielder, but we can cope with losing him. Someone Ballack would be a bigger lose. The only player, IMO, that we can't afford to lose is Klose. If he gets injured or such, we're royally fucked.If we can afford to lose Ballack for a game, we can afford to lose Klose or Frings for a game. :)
We've done without Ballack once.

If we can afford to lose Ballack for a game, we can afford to lose Klose or Frings for a game. :)
We've done without Ballack once.

Against Costa Rica, in group games. But we need his influence and striking pressure, especially against a top team in the semis.

Against Costa Rica, in group games. But we need his influence and striking pressure, especially against a top team in the semis.The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. A team that can't win without one of its players doesn't really deserve to win in the first place.

The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. A team that can't win without one of its players doesn't really deserve to win in the first place.

I didn't say that we couldn't win. Just that it'd be a lot harder. Especially if we lost Klose. He's our spearhead.

Germany of course. By 1. Maybe 1x0 or 2x1.

Geht Deutschland

Geht DeutschlandDoesn't work in German :p

Doesn't work in German :p

Oh ... well ... so ... Let´s win Germany. :p

Hey Laerod, what does "toor" mean? I saw it in that Blumentopf video.

Hey Laerod, what does "toor" mean? I saw it in that Blumentopf video.

That's just an onomatopoetic depiction of that long "Tor" people would shout, I'm guessing. Think of it as "gooooooooooooal" ;)

That's just an onomatopoetic depiction of that long "Tor" people would shout, I'm guessing. Think of it as "gooooooooooooal" ;)

... Doesn't tor mean gate?

Or are the goals called gates/tore in German and are used in that context?

... Doesn't tor mean gate?

Or are the goals called gates/tore in German and are used in that context?

The translation of goal into German is Tor. And Tor would also mean gate and a large door.

The translation of goal into German is Tor. And Tor would also mean gate and a large door.

Yeah, that's what I mean, basically.

English/German football terms:

Team - Mannschaft
Goalkeeper - Torwart
Defender - Verteidiger
Midfield player - Mittelfeldspieler
Playmaker - Spielmacher
Attacker - Stürmer
Winger - Linksaußen bzw Rechtsaußen
Goal - Tor
Cross - Flanke
Header - Kopfball
Corner - Ecke
Free Kick - Freistoß
Penalty - Elfmeter
Throw In - Einwurf
Offside - Abseits
Referee - Schiedsrichter/Blinde Sau
Foul - Foul
Hand Ball - Handspiel/Hand
Dive - Schwalbe
Shirt - Trikot (pronounced without the "t")

Hmm...can't think of any more right now. Anyways, now everybody will be able to cheer on the Klinsmannschaft in style. :p

So how much does a female football player(ette) make compared to the men?

Hey Laerod, what does "toor" mean? I saw it in that Blumentopf video."Gooal". It's Tor with an extra "o" to signify that someone is dragging out the vowels.

English/German football terms:

Referee - Schiedsrichter/Blinde Sau
Important grammatical distinction:

When the referee decides in favour of the German team, you would use "Schiedsrichter".

When he decides against the German team, you want to go with "Blinde Sau".

It's important to differentiate between the two. A grammatical error along these lines while you're standing in a German crowd won't make you any friends. Trust me.


Shirt - Trikot (pronounced without the "t")
He's talking about the second "t". Please, by all means try and pronounce the first one. :p

So how much does a female football player(ette) make compared to the men?

One would assume a whole lot less, like female cricketers, basketballers, golfers, table tennis players...

So how much does a female football player(ette) make compared to the men?
I'm not gonna write the whole thing again on the off-chance that anyone who doesn't speak German will ever watch a women's football match and feel like yelling out things about it in German...

One would assume a whole lot less, like female cricketers, basketballers, golfers, table tennis players...
Yes of course. But how much is less? Gimme a number.

I'm not gonna write the whole thing again on the off-chance that anyone who doesn't speak German will ever watch a women's football match and feel like yelling out things about it in German...
What whole thing?

I'm not entirely sure, but I don't think there's any rule banning female players from the male leagues. At least, probably not in Italy; Birgit Prinz was given a chance to sign with AC Perugia in the Serie A and become the first woman in a major male league, but she declined.

I'm not entirely sure, but I don't think there's any rule banning female players from the male leagues. At least, probably not in Italy; Birgit Prinz was given a chance to sign with AC Perugia in the Serie A and become the first woman in a major male league, but she declined.
But how much does she make playing football? Can't be that much since she is also a licensed physiotherapist and masseuse.

Here, a good friend of mine just sent me this pic:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/wand.jpg

Here, a good friend of mine just sent me this pic:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/wand.jpg
Hehehe!!! :)

Pssst, don't mention the war but

GO GERMANY

Here, a good friend of mine just sent me this pic:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/wand.jpg

I don't get it.

Here, a good friend of mine just sent me this pic:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/wand.jpg

That's just cool beyond belief.

*steals pic and sends it around to all her friends

:D

I don't get it.This is "Die Hand Gottes" (hand of God).
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Hand_of_God_goal.jpg/180px-Hand_of_God_goal.jpg
The man you see there is Diego Maradona, playing for Argentina in the final against England, scoring the winning goal.

Lehmann's saves in the game against Argentina play on that, calling him "Die Wand Gottes" (wall of God).

This is "Die Hand Gottes" (hand of God).
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Hand_of_God_goal.jpg/180px-Hand_of_God_goal.jpg
The man you see there is Diego Maradona, playing for Argentina in the final against England, scoring the winning goal.

Lehmann's saves in the game against Argentina play on that, calling him "Die Wand Gottes" (wall of God).

Ok. I used Worldlingo (>_>) and "wand" was translated as "wound." :rolleyes:

Also, that looked like one of Lehmann's missed goals >_>

Ok. I used Worldlingo (>_>) and "wand" was translated as "wound." :rolleyes:

Also, that looked like one of Lehmann's missed goals >_>

Try Leo (http://dict.leo.org/?lang=de&lp=ende) in the future ;)

Try Leo (http://dict.leo.org/?lang=de&lp=ende) in the future ;)
Or dict.cc (http://www.dict.cc/).

I'm nervous about how Italy played against Ukraine. I can picture Zambrotta pulling that shit against Germany. We can catch up... but it's not healthy for the heart >_>

I'm nervous about how Italy played against Ukraine.
http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/gesellschaft/0,1518,424963,00.html

I'm nervous about how Italy played against Ukraine. I can picture Zambrotta pulling that shit against Germany. We can catch up... but it's not healthy for the heart >_>Don't worry too much. The Ukraine wasn't particularly impressive on the field. They were lucky to get as far as they did. Group H was perhaps the overall weakest next to Group A, and Switzerland's greatest ability was confounding France.

http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/gesellschaft/0,1518,424963,00.html

Can't read it good. Can you give me the gist of it?

Don't worry too much. The Ukraine wasn't particularly impressive on the field. They were lucky to get as far as they did. Group H was perhaps the overall weakest next to Group A, and Switzerland's greatest ability was confounding France.

Group A gets a bump up though because we were in it. We got to the semis; Group H only got to the quarters (and Spain only to the Ro16).

Group A gets a bump up though because we were in it. We got to the semis; Group H only got to the quarters (and Spain only to the Ro16).Spain was a good team. Unfortunately, so is France. Germany is also a good team, while the rest mainly had spirit but nothing to properly back it up with (though Ecuador had the potential to beat England).

Can't read it good. Can you give me the gist of it?
Yes: "Kinder, macht euch nit verrückt!"

Yes: "Kinder, macht euch nit verrückt!"

I think I understood that...

Game is 4:30 AM in the morning for me (8:00 PM in Germany), not fair.

:(

Game is 4:30 AM in the morning for me (8:00 PM in Germany), not fair.

:(

Let's abolish all time zones for the duration of the game, then... :p ;)

Game is 4:30 AM in the morning for me (8:00 PM in Germany), not fair.

:(It's at 21:00 (or 9:00 PM), if I am not much mistaken.

It's at 21:00 (or 9:00 PM), if I am not much mistaken.

OK, maybe those guides are wrong ... but I'll have settle for the 4:30 PM replay.

OK, maybe those guides are wrong ...Or British. :p

Or British. :p

1 hour of drinking first! Get the priorities right. ;)

1 hour of drinking first! Get the priorities right. ;)
Talking of which - I just got home with 2X 5l kegs of beer. Hope it's enough for three people?

(Considering the temperatures of well over 30°C it better be! :eek: )

Italia! Italia! Italia!:)

Italia! Italia! Italia!:)
Uhm... Nein!

Uhm... Nein!

Oh come on. Without Magic Frings, your midfield won't operate.

Talking of which - I just got home with 2X 5l kegs of beer. Hope it's enough for three people?

(Considering the temperatures of well over 30°C it better be! :eek: )
Indeed! :eek:

Oh come on. Without Magic Frings, your midfield won't operate.We managed without Ballack. Honestly, there wouldn't be as much fuss if he'd gotten injured.

Indeed! :eek:*Groan* The Brasserie is probably going to be missing a fan again... :(
I'm getting stewed... At least I have a "climacool" soccer jersy! :D

Oh come on. Without Magic Frings, your midfield won't operate.
Be ready for zee Überraschung. It will operate. It will work. Germany will win. :p

Be ready for zee Überraschung. It will operate. It will work. Germany will win. :p

As an Englishman, I hope not. As a football fan, I hope so.

See my situation?

Indeed! :eek:
Yeah, well - right now it's still p***warm and in the fridge. Good we have one of those "instant cooler caps" to put on top. :D

http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/beerdrink.gif

As an Englishman, I hope not. As a football fan, I hope so.

See my situation?
Ah, you're stuck in a dilemma. That's tough.

But there is hope for you: root for the German team and you won't be disappointed as you might have been with England.

Repeat after me: "Deutschland vor, schießt ein Tor!"

As an Englishman, I hope not. As a football fan, I hope so.

See my situation?

There is an out. Italy play well and beat the germans with style, that way you support good football, and keep faith with being English.

There is an out. Italy play well and beat the germans with style, that way you support good football, and keep faith with being English.

Hmmm. Bad news for Serie A though. Has anyone seen the artcile?

go germany go!!

Just kicked off... I'll say 2-1 to Germany.

Kickoff! Yay! Go Germany!

i got enough time i say GER wins on penalties

Smash germany! Forza Italia!

Okay, just so the cheaters will feel bad when they vote after the game again, here's the poll stats at kickoff :p :


Italy by 3+..... 1
Italy by 2..... 2
Italy by 1..... 17
Italy on Penalties..... 3
Germany on Penalties..... 10
Germany by 1..... 22
Germany by 2..... 16
Germany by 3+..... 1

23 mins played. everything seems to be quite equal.

Hmm.

I really hope Klinsmann has some halftime magic up his sleeve.

Does anybody else think the Italians have 5 extra players stored in front of their goal? It looks like we'll never going to get past all those Italians up there...

Italy are playing better, but are making the odd mistake which gives Germany hope.

I suppose DH would say that this game has no attacking football as no goals have been scored yet. :rolleyes:

Still going for 1 - 0 to Italy.

Player of the first half - Canavarro (4 of the extra 5 players)

Okay, just so the cheaters will feel bad when they vote after the game again, here's the poll stats at kickoff :p :


Italy by 3+..... 1
Italy by 2..... 2
Italy by 1..... 17
Italy on Penalties..... 3
Germany on Penalties..... 10
Germany by 1..... 22
Germany by 2..... 16
Germany by 3+..... 1
sweet!

Im the only one to vote Italy by more than 3!!!

Hmm.

I really hope Klinsmann has some halftime magic up his sleeve.

Does anybody else think the Italians have 5 extra players stored in front of their goal? It looks like we'll never going to get past all those Italians up there...
You had one decent chance (Schneider's(?) shot). A good counter-attacking display would work well for Germany in the second half. Italy should just try more of the same, maybe improving the passes in the final third, and they'll get a breakthrough eventually.

One problem for Italy - they seem to be putting more effort in, so if this goes to ET, Germany will probably have the upper hand.

dEuTsChLaNd!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!111111

win, you must! :eek:

How did Lehman not get at least a yellow for trying to decapitate Perotto?

Unecessary roughness would have been called in an American Football game, so why not even a foul in this one?

How did Lehman not get at least a yellow for trying to decapitate Perotto?

Unecessary roughness would have been called in an American Football game, so why not even a foul in this one?
:eek:
Wow, we must have seen two *completely* different scenes there. It looked really rough but did you see the replay?? The replay showed that it wasn't bad at all, he touched him wayyyyy less & less hard than I thought he had originally, it didn't look bad at all. And if you look at Perotto immediately after he hits the ground, he's raising his head and craning his neck to look around back to the pitch, so it's obvious he didn't take some kind of debilitating blow to the neck or anything.

Well, we'll surely get to see the replay again after the game.

How did Lehman not get at least a yellow for trying to decapitate Perotto?

Unecessary roughness would have been called in an American Football game, so why not even a foul in this one?
I agree with WYTYG on this - the replay showed that there was little, if any, intent to injure Perotto, and he seemed as if he was trying to pull out of the challenge once he'd punched the ball.

Ugh, Ballack - holding his forehead when nothing even touched his fucking head. Gah.

I agree with WYTYG on this - the replay showed that there was little, if any, intent to injure Perotto, and he seemed as if he was trying to pull out of the challenge once he'd punched the ball.
Oh, gah, thanks, totally forgot to say that (the bolded part).

Italy scores

well, that's that.

2:0 then.

Unlucky germany.

Italy scores again. :D

Now I don't have to hear about Germany anymore on NS.

Italia GOOOOOOOOALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Ugh. Harsh. Bloody Italians aren't making things easy for me.

Good on them though. I was basically hoping for one lucky shot the whole match...the Italians were the better team.

On for 3rd place then. :(

Nooooooooooo---!!!!! Germany Lost!!!! :(

Ugh. Harsh. Bloody Italians aren't making things easy for me.

Good on them though. I was basically hoping for one lucky shot the whole match...the Italians were the better team.

On for 3rd place then. :(
What he said. *sniff*

Congrats to Italy.

Italy scores again. :D

Now I don't have to hear about Germany anymore on NS.

Fuck you asshole. Germany deserved to win that match. If you stupid cry baby Italians didn't fuckin overdramatize every tumble you take, the team that deserved to win, Germany, would've won. Dumb Italians. You make me sick.

And yes, I'm well aware my post is going to get me into trouble, but I don't fuckin care right now.

It certainly went down hill for the Germans, fast, there at the end.

Oh well, such is life. It could have gone either way, and a 1-0 defeat would have been more fair than this was..But there's little thats fair in football.

Now I don't have to hear about Germany anymore on NS.Germany is a great Country.

Fuck you asshole. Germany deserved to win that match. If you stupid cry baby Italians didn't fuckin overdramatize every tumble you take, the team that deserved to win, Germany, would've won. Dumb Italians. You make me sick.


Nurse your beer, Adolf.

Dove'è la Vittoria?.
Le porga la chioma;
Chè schiava di Roma
Iddio la creò.

Where is Victory?
let her bow down,
god has made her
the slave of Rome!

Fuck you asshole. Germany deserved to win that match. If you stupid cry baby Italians didn't fuckin overdramatize every tumble you take, the team that deserved to win, Germany, would've won. Dumb Italians. You make me sick.

Excuse me? Because Germany wasn't rolling all over the bloody pitch this game? Nice try. That is such an effing stereotype, and a useless claim, when Italy's opponants dive just as much, if not more, than Italy does. Did you see Totti's demonstration, diving over that German player? Did you get the point he was trying to make? Yeah. So give it up, and be a good sport.

FORZA ITAAAAALIA!!!!!!

Italy. :cool:

What he said. *sniff*
Ugh. And I just checked my Uni scores for last semester (dropped a full GPA point). This ain't my day. It really ain't.

guys i love germany but you are fighting over a game that is over and italy won by 2 in overtime

- snip insults and badly thought-out arguments -
Tarandella - again, could you please tone down your rhetoric?

Hold the insults already, I don't want flaming people in my threads - over a soccer game that was won fair and square, like the outcome or not.

Also - even *if* there had been significant "overdramatizing" by the Italians (which there wasn't) this was not a game that was decided by yellow cards, red cards, free kicks, penalty kicks, or any other kind of technical whatever that could possibly be related to dives, so please don't use arguments that are not even related to the game we just saw.

Thank you.

I don't care about either side bitching post-game about who 'deserved' to win.

It was a great match to watch as a neutral- and both goals were taken superbly.

A good game of football.

*thumbs up*

http://images.handy.de/int/fun/service/08/23/29878.jpg

:D :D :D :D
You really like this, don't you? :p

Remind me - when exactly did Holland get kicked out again? :D

:(
*crys*

Tarandella - again, could you please tone down your rhetoric?

Hold the insults already, I don't want flaming people in my threads - over a soccer game that was won fair and square, like the outcome or not.

Also - even *if* there had been significant "overdramatizing" by the Italians (which there wasn't) this was not a game that was decided by yellow cards, red cards, free kicks, penalty kicks, or any other kind of technical whatever that could possibly be related to dives, so please don't use arguments that are not even related to the game we just saw.

Thank you.


Indeed!

It was decided by one of the most amazing, severe, savage, embarassing, well-deserved and extraordinary beatings in living memory!

ITALIA!

I love Germany and unfortunately they were playing like shit, I dunno how... I dunno why... but they were playing like shit. And unfortunately, Italy won. I'm trying my BEST to get over the fact that Italy won.

So... World Cup winner... France or Portugal? I say Portugal! :)

It was decided by one of the most amazing, severe, savage, embarassing, well-deserved and extraordinary beatings in living memory!
What the? Are you talking about Argentina vs Serbia and Montenegro?

Italy scored that goal, deservedly. That they did it so late was harsh. And because it didn't matter anymore, no one was going to come back and help out the defense as they had done before (and done well). So Italy scored a second. I'd hardly call it an "embarassing beating", regardless of how much you hate the German team.

Anyway, what I wanted to say:

While the teams were not fundamentally mismatched in terms of performance, Italy slightly dominated almost all of the game, and, like Neu Leonstein said, it was a bit like waiting for the unavoidable to happen - Italy scoring. For our team, on the other hand, it was more like waiting for that one lucky break that might come with lots of luck and hoping.

So yeah, I'm a bit sad, but this is certainly one game there shouldn't be *any* kind of major arguing about - I wouldn't know what there is to argue.

So - Congrats Italy! (Took you long enough to get in a final :D)

Indeed!

It was decided by one of the most amazing, severe, savage, embarassing, well-deserved and extraordinary beatings in living memory!

ITALIA!

Like hell. Germany WAS and IS the better team compared to Italy. Italy had more fouls in this game then Germany. Italy wasted more time on the clock than Germany.

Italy is nothing more than a bunch of stuck up cry babies. I hope the whole country burns.

Ironically Germany (West Germany, mind you) won the world cup on Italian soil in 1990. Think we might see the Italians evening the score here (Argentina beat Italy in the semi's, so Italy and Germany never met back then)?

Anyway, what I wanted to say:

While the teams were not fundamentally mismatched in terms of performance, Italy slightly dominated almost all of the game, and, like Neu Leonstein said, it was a bit like waiting for the unavoidable to happen - Italy scoring. For our team, on the other hand, it was more like waiting for that one lucky break that might come with lots of luck and hoping.

So yeah, I'm a bit sad, but this is certainly one game there shouldn't be *any* kind of major arguing about - I wouldn't know what there is to argue.

So - Congrats Italy! (Took you long enough to get in a final :D)

That's because you never had any faith in the team from the beginning on. All you did was bitch and complain about how poorly Germany played this whole tournament. For a German, you really disappointed me...

Germany like most world cup hosts... was seriously overrated.

Indeed!

It was decided by one of the most amazing, severe, savage, embarassing, well-deserved and extraordinary beatings in living memory!

ITALIA!

Still though........ got further than England didn't they? ;)

Indeed!

It was decided by one of the most amazing, severe, savage, embarassing, well-deserved and extraordinary beatings in living memory!

ITALIA!

Agreed, to a point. I said in an earlier thread (who will win the world cup, I believe) that I was just looking for an amazing performance from Italia. I love 'em to death, but I'd yet to see something that absolutely had me screaming. This match had me screaming, jumping all over the place, all but crying with their first goal, and mad beyond belief with their second. It was an amazing match from both sides, with close calls, superb defending, and chanced that had me ripping my hair out both ways... but damn, Italia deserved it. They deserved this win.

And Germany continues the trend of never beating Italia in a World Cup meeting. :D

Like hell. Germany WAS and IS the better team compared to Italy. Italy had more fouls in this game then Germany. Italy wasted more time on the clock than Germany.

Italy is nothing more than a bunch of stuck up cry babies. I hope the whole country burns.


How's germany doing in the world cup?

Indeed!

It was decided by one of the most amazing, severe, savage, embarassing, well-deserved and extraordinary beatings in living memory!

ITALIA!
:rolleyes: Sometimes I'm honestly not sure just which game you guys have been watching.

That was not only not a beating by any of the adjectives you used, it wasn't a beating at all. It was game that was in large parts slightly dominated by one team. How exactly is that a "beating"?


Also, while I'm talking to you - would you mind taking a couple letters out of your "GOOOAAALL" post above so it doesn't screw up the page layout anymore? Thanks!

Germany like most world cup hosts... was seriously overrated.

Common now... you know thats not true. Germany's a freaking powerhouse, and they were just bought down.

Still though........ got further than England didn't they? ;)


I started spitting on england after their trained monkey "crouch" pulled the trinidad player's hair.

Germany beat argentina - for that they could not be forgiven.

That's because you never had any faith in the team from the beginning on. All you did was bitch and complain about how poorly Germany played this whole tournament. For a German, you really disappointed me...
So. Many. Possible. Answers......


Must. Resist.

:rolleyes: Sometimes I'm honestly not sure just which game you guys have been watching.

That was not only not a beating by any of the adjectives you used, it wasn't a beating at all. It was game that was in large parts slightly dominated by one team. How exactly is that a "beating"?


Also, while I'm talking to you - would you mind taking a couple letters out of your "GOOOAAALL" post above so it doesn't screw up the page layout anymore? Thanks!


That goooooal was for their second goal, they deserve all of those letters.

What i meant was the astounding 2-goal final minute of the game.

Amazing!

Italy is nothing more than a bunch of stuck up cry babies. I hope the whole country burns.
For a foreigner you certainly get very worked up about this, don't you. Just accept it.
Italy didn't win because of fouls, nor dives, nor time wasting. They won because they managed to change the way they played in previous matches such that any German preparation tactically was void. They put the pressure on, and Germany couldn't quite respond in kind.
It wasn't a real beating, and Germany certainly could've scored with a bit more luck, but Italy was the better team on the day. And don't forget that they hit the post and the bar within like a minute when extra time restarted.

How's germany doing in the world cup?

They beat Argentina didn't they? Must still be smarting from that loss. But then again, Argentina deserved to lose, as they clearly were inferior. And so is Italy. Italy won by pure luck. They didn't dominate the match at all. In terms of play, Germany did beat Italy, since it took Italy almost 120 minutes to get enough luck to score against a superior German goal keeper.

This victory over a clearly superior team (and nation I might add), was nothing but luck for a bunch of snivelling, arrogant, scandal-prone cry babies.

That's because you never had any faith in the team from the beginning on. All you did was bitch and complain about how poorly Germany played this whole tournament. For a German, you really disappointed me...

Stop with the personal attacks huh. Your team lost, to a better side. No need to go and criticise a perfectly reasonable poster.

If you can't have your side lose without flamming people here, I suggest that you don't post immediately after games.

Common now... you know thats not true. Germany's a freaking powerhouse, and they were just bought down.
?

Schweinsteiger is an overwheight and glaciar paced nothing. Schneider couldn't hit the side of a barn. Defence is slow, etc, etc.

They are a good team but they have far too many weak links.

They beat Argentina didn't they? Must still be smarting from that loss. But then again, Argentina deserved to lose, as they clearly were inferior. And so is Italy. Italy won by pure luck. They didn't dominate the match at all. In terms of play, Germany did beat Italy, since it took Italy almost 120 minutes to get enough luck to score against a superior German goal keeper.

This victory over a clearly superior team (and nation I might add), was nothing but luck for a bunch of snivelling, arrogant, scandal-prone cry babies.


How's germany doing in the world cup, Fritz?

For a foreigner you certainly get very worked up about this, don't you. Just accept it.
Italy didn't win because of fouls, nor dives, nor time wasting. They won because they managed to change the way they played in previous matches such that any German preparation tactically was void. They put the pressure on, and Germany couldn't quite respond in kind.
It wasn't a real beating, and Germany certainly could've scored with a bit more luck, but Italy was the better team on the day. And don't forget that they hit the post and the bar within like a minute when extra time restarted.

As a GERMAN, I take great pride in my people. They've suffered enough over the last 60 years. So, excuse me, for being a little patriotic for my country, and excuse me for expecting my team to win on our soil. And your lack of faith as a German living in Australia is really disturbing.

They beat Argentina didn't they? Must still be smarting from that loss. But then again, Argentina deserved to lose, as they clearly were inferior. And so is Italy. Italy won by pure luck. They didn't dominate the match at all. In terms of play, Germany did beat Italy, since it took Italy almost 120 minutes to get enough luck to score against a superior German goal keeper.

This victory over a clearly superior team (and nation I might add), was nothing but luck for a bunch of snivelling, arrogant, scandal-prone cry babies.
And while you're hopefully rethinking your language, you might also want to keep any very, very misguided "nationalism" out of this. Thank you.

How's germany doing in the world cup, Fritz?

They've done a hell of a lot better than your sorry ass, fascist team did. So why don't you shut the fuck up, stupid Argentinian prick.

And while you're hopefully rethinking your language, you might also want to keep any very, very misguided "nationalism" out of this. Thank you.

It's not my nationalism that's misguided. It looks more like yours is the one that's misguided. There is aboslutely nothing wrong with being proud of being German. I find it funny that every other nation in the world can have extremist pride in itself, the United States most especially, and no one says a damn thing. But the minute Germans start expressing the same level of pride, it's suddenly misguided. Why don't you go tell some Americans that their nationalism is misguided. They think their country is the best country in the world, and yet no one tells them to stow their nationalism.

Gotta love double standards.

They've done a hell of a lot better than your sorry ass, fascist team did. So why don't you shut the fuck up, stupid Argentinian prick.


Germany might get to be third place if they're reeeeallly reeeeeallly lucky.

At least the other losing teams like Togo and Saudi Arabia can go home and put this all behind them.

Going to be a rough week in the reich, isnt it?

WILL EVERYBODY SHUT THE HELL UP ALREADY!?!


My God, what's wrong with you people?

Get a grip and be civil. If I could lock this thread I'd do it myself!

It's a soccer thread, for crying out loud. One team wins, the other one loses.
You'd think the fact that this was a fair and well-refereed game wouldn't allow for this kind of vitriol being spewed about it.

Seriously, please knock off the insults and baiting - if you can't stand it right now, log out, cool off and come back later.

That was by far the best ref'ing I've seen all Cup!

And an Italian win in the 119th minute!! :eek:

Great game. I was at the edge of my seat. Well, at least for all of OT. ;)

WILL EVERYBODY SHUT THE HELL UP ALREADY!?!


My God, what's wrong with you people?

Get a grip and be civil. If I could lock this thread I'd do it myself!

It's a soccer thread, for crying out loud. One team wins, the other one loses.
You'd think the fact that this was a fair and well-refereed game wouldn't allow for this kind of vitriol being spewed about it.

Seriously, please knock off the insults and baiting - if you can't stand it right now, log out, cool off and come back later.


Oh get a sense of humor, its a soccer game, its national rivalry, its fun!

It's not my nationalism that's misguided. It looks more like yours is the one that's misguided. There is aboslutely nothing wrong with being proud of being German. I find it funny that every other nation in the world can have extremist pride in itself, the United States most especially, and no one says a damn thing. But the minute Germans start expressing the same level of pride, it's suddenly misguided. Why don't you go tell some Americans that their nationalism is misguided. They think their country is the best country in the world, and yet no one tells them to stow their nationalism.

Gotta love double standards.

I shouldn't even answer this - but do you really think I would tolerate *anyone* coming in here and telling me that their team deserved to win because "their nation is superior"?

Think again.

:eek:
Wow, we must have seen two *completely* different scenes there. It looked really rough but did you see the replay?? The replay showed that it wasn't bad at all, he touched him wayyyyy less & less hard than I thought he had originally, it didn't look bad at all. And if you look at Perotto immediately after he hits the ground, he's raising his head and craning his neck to look around back to the pitch, so it's obvious he didn't take some kind of debilitating blow to the neck or anything.

Well, we'll surely get to see the replay again after the game.

Accepted. I had not seen a slow-mo of the scene when I posted. It looked like a neck high rugby tackle crossed with some outlandish WWF move at full speed.

How's germany doing in the world cup, Fritz?
Semifinals. Maybe third.

Anything wrong with that?

As a GERMAN, I take great pride in my people.
Is that what your passport says?

And your lack of faith as a German living in Australia is really disturbing.
I don't think I lacked faith. If you look at my pre-match posts, I was pretty certain that the team could take it.
But Italy came out the stronger, and the result reflects that. Right now you're about as good a loser as an Argentinian football player.

That was, in no way, a great game. A great game is when a deserving team wins. Italy only scored out of sheer luck. Nothing but luck. They have no talent whatsoever on that team. And they had to make sure Frings got banned from the match to help them win.

Nothing great at all about this match. Nothing.

Accepted. I had not seen a slow-mo of the scene when I posted. It looked like a neck high rugby tackle crossed with some outlandish WWF move at full speed.
Bah, it's all for show. Roooaaaarrrr! :p

That was, in no way, a great game. A great game is when a deserving team wins. Italy only scored out of sheer luck. Nothing but luck. They have no talent whatsoever on that team. And they had to make sure Frings got banned from the match to help them win.

Nothing great at all about this match. Nothing.

Vittoria Italia!

You'd better drive down to that big cool cathedral in Koln and pray pray pray you make 3rd place.

A true test of soccer skill won by enormous prowess and FORZA ITALIA!

Is that what your passport says?

It's really none of your damn business what my passport says. But, if you really want to know, according to the German Consulate here in the States, I'm still a German citizen, even if I was born in the States, because I was born after 1975, both of my parents are German citizens (born and raised there), and they were married to one another at the time of my birth (still are married). So, I'm technically a German citizen and eligible for a German Passport; which I am in the process of applying for.

Right now you're about as good a loser as an Argentinian football player.

As I apparently have to keep repeating myself, Italy didn't win this match with any amount of talent or domination over Germany. They just lucked out in the last minute. My reaction is just fine, and I'm, by far, a much better loser than any Argentinian. I, at least, don't have to fake rule breaking and physically fighting people, to try and get a change in the outcome of a match. I accept Italy won. I just don't accept that they won it by sheer luck and whining to the FIFA officials.

AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Italy won. Germany lost.

GET OVER IT!!!!

:eek:

Vittoria Italia!

You'd better drive down to that big cool cathedral in Koln and pray pray pray you make 3rd place.

A true test of soccer skill won by enormous prowess and FORZA ITALIA!
What are you provoking him for?

What are you provoking him for?
Didn't you read? It's apparently all fun and games. :rolleyes:

ha

That was, in no way, a great game. A great game is when a deserving team wins. Italy only scored out of sheer luck. Nothing but luck. They have no talent whatsoever on that team. And they had to make sure Frings got banned from the match to help them win.

Nothing great at all about this match. Nothing.
Pardon? The first goal was a clear cut case of your defense being wrong footed, just watch the replay if you don't belive me. And as for the second, your team was trying desperately to equalize, and weren't fast enough to react when Italy got the ball, and made a quick attack.

Luck? Hardly. It was a case of the Germans being caught on the wrong foot, twice. And this is coming from someone whos neither Italian, nor German (Icelander, and proud of it, thank you), who has taken a nice, long, look at the replays. Thank you for your time.

What about France - Portugal ?

So you're an american playing at being a german...

So you can't drive down to Koln Cathedral.

Have you ever even been to Koln cathedral??

GO ITALIA!!!!!

WE WIN!!!!!!!!!!!



germany :mp5:

...even if I was born in the States...
There is your problem right there.
Don't start fights on my behalf, dude. If you want to argue, tell people what you are, not what you would like to be.

As I apparently have to keep repeating myself, Italy didn't win this match with any amount of talent or domination over Germany.
They had more posession and they had more and better chances. How can you argue against that?

What about France - Portugal ?


Portugal over france! Bastard team beat spain, no mercy!

I shouldn't even answer this - but do you really think I would tolerate *anyone* coming in here and telling me that their team deserved to win because "their nation is superior"?

Think again.

You seem to think it's totally fine for Americans to think the same thing. So why should it be any different with Germany? Or Italy? Or France?

Why is it Germany has to be held at a lower level of pride than the rest of the world? Why is it that Germany has to continually reminded of its past, when it is Germany, and not many other nations like the US for example, has learned from the lessons of WWII?

If I want to think and say that I think Germany is superior in whatever format, including as a nation, then that's my choice as a pure-blooded German. Just like every red-blooded American can go around telling everyone else in the world that the US is the best country in the world.

So, if you want to be intolerant of my "misguided nationalism," then how about telling Americans they can't go around saying that the US is the best country in the world.

That was, in no way, a great game. A great game is when a deserving team wins. Italy only scored out of sheer luck. Nothing but luck. They have no talent whatsoever on that team. And they had to make sure Frings got banned from the match to help them win.

Nothing great at all about this match. Nothing.

I beg to differ. The defensive battle was impressive. Both teams repeatedly failed to score in regulation time. And both keepers made EXCELLENT saves.

From where I sit (as a neutral!) it was a great game.

Congratulations Italy
As I am an Argentine Fan
And Hispanic by Culture
I Wish for An Italian Portugese Final

Peace Out

Mikeswill

Pardon? The first goal was a clear cut case of your defense being wrong footed, just watch the replay if you don't belive me. And as for the second, your team was trying desperately to equalize, and weren't fast enough to react when Italy got the ball, and made a quick attack.

Luck? Hardly. It was a case of the Germans being caught on the wrong foot, twice. And this is coming from someone whos neither Italian, nor German (Icelander, and proud of it, thank you), who has taken a nice, long, look at the replays. Thank you for your time.
I'm afraid you're wasting your breath. Not even the Germans in here think it was won anything but fair and square - if very disappointing, obviously.

Guess soccer is even more subjective than you'd think.

Why is it Germany has to be held at a lower level of pride than the rest of the world?
I don't think you could understand, even if I tried explaining it to you. You were born in the States, you grew up there...the problems with nationalism, and the specifics of being German apparently elude you.

So, if you want to be intolerant of my "misguided nationalism," then how about telling Americans they can't go around saying that the US is the best country in the world.
I do that too. All the time.

Pardon? The first goal was a clear cut case of your defense being wrong footed, just watch the replay if you don't belive me. And as for the second, your team was trying desperately to equalize, and weren't fast enough to react when Italy got the ball, and made a quick attack.

Luck? Hardly. It was a case of the Germans being caught on the wrong foot, twice. And this is coming from someone whos neither Italian, nor German (Icelander, and proud of it, thank you), who has taken a nice, long, look at the replays. Thank you for your time.

As I said luck. Italy won the game on luck. They were lucky that the Germans weren't quick enough (I question the wrong-footed thing since they seemed to be heading *toward* the ball to stop it). That's it. Accept it or don't.

And who cares if you're an Icelander. I don't recall hearing anything spectacular coming out of your country in....oh...since it's creation :-P

And who cares if you're an Icelander. I don't recall hearing anything spectacular coming out of your country in....oh...since it's creation :-P

HAVE YOU SEEN THE STEWARDESSES ON ICELANDIC AIR?!?

(sorry, but that was certainly one great thing I've seen from Iceland recently... actually, 8.) ;)

You seem to think it's totally fine for Americans to think the same thing. So why should it be any different with Germany? Or Italy? Or France?

Why is it Germany has to be held at a lower level of pride than the rest of the world? Why is it that Germany has to continually reminded of its past, when it is Germany, and not many other nations like the US for example, has learned from the lessons of WWII?

If I want to think and say that I think Germany is superior in whatever format, including as a nation, then that's my choice as a pure-blooded German. Just like every red-blooded American can go around telling everyone else in the world that the US is the best country in the world.

So, if you want to be intolerant of my "misguided nationalism," then how about telling Americans they can't go around saying that the US is the best country in the world.

Let me quote the post you're presumably answering with this - you quoted it, but you sure as hell don't seem to have read it, so here it is again for clarification (bolded for your convenience):

I shouldn't even answer this - but do you really think I would tolerate *anyone* coming in here and telling me that their team deserved to win because "their nation is superior"?

Think again.

Thank you for your attention.

Italy won on luck? Luck?!!?

You know nothing about football. Go away.

I don't think you could understand, even if I tried explaining it to you. You were born in the States, you grew up there...the problems with nationalism, and the specifics of being German apparently elude you.

Oh no, I understand very well. It's because the rest of the world is afraid that if Germans express any pride in themselves, then it MUST mean that Nazism is rising again and that Germans are ready to try and dominate the world a second (third to everyone else) time.

It's funny how events in history from 60 years ago can continue punishing a nation when most of it's current residents had nothing to do with them, while the United States can push aside the fact that it approved of slavery until 150 years ago, or that it relocated thousands of Native Americans because the white man thought that all the land belonged to them. No one continues to punish the US for either of these events, yet Germans aren't allowed to be proud of themselves because of a psychotic Austrian killing 11 million innocent people. Ridiculous.

Please, leave our achivievements in sport (or rather lack there of), out of this. They are not the issue here, the game between Italy and Germany is.

Know what, "Whereyouthinkyougoing", I think you are absolutely right..Guess there are always certain people you can not reason with. I could always point out Iceland's impressive sagas, and the fact that we had two people recongized as the worlds strongest man, in the past, but thats neither here, nor there..I'm just going to stop, instead.

Hope to have a nicer talk when the final, and 3rd place, games come, good day.

(ps: keep flaming me, and I'm tossing a ignore your way..I feel I'm in full right to, after your comments before, Tarandella. This is a warning)

They've done a hell of a lot better than your sorry ass, fascist team did. So why don't you shut the fuck up, stupid Argentinian prick.

Easy there, Hitler. No need to get that defensive. :)

Oh no, I understand very well. It's because the rest of the world is afraid that if Germans express any pride in themselves, then it MUST mean that Nazism is rising again and that Germans are ready to try and dominate the world a second (third to everyone else) time.

It's funny how events in history from 60 years ago can continue punishing a nation when most of it's current residents had nothing to do with them, while the United States can push aside the fact that it approved of slavery until 150 years ago, or that it relocated thousands of Native Americans because the white man thought that all the land belonged to them. No one continues to punish the US for either of these events, yet Germans aren't allowed to be proud of themselves because of a psychotic Austrian killing 11 million innocent people. Ridiculous.

Not that I want to get into it per se, but nota bene: both slavery and the dislocation of the natives were done by the colonial powers. Granted, the newly free US didn't do much to curtail either for several generations, but then it was busy trying to survive.
The comparison is not really valid.

Now, back to debating soccer/football!

Let me quote the post you're presumably answering with this - you quoted it, but you sure as hell don't seem to have read it, so here it is again for clarification (bolded for your concenience):

Thank you for your attention.

No, I read your sorry post quite clearly. Don't blame me because you're an idiot.

They beat Argentina didn't they? Must still be smarting from that loss. But then again, Argentina deserved to lose, as they clearly were inferior. And so is Italy. Italy won by pure luck. They didn't dominate the match at all. In terms of play, Germany did beat Italy, since it took Italy almost 120 minutes to get enough luck to score against a superior German goal keeper.

This victory over a clearly superior team (and nation I might add), was nothing but luck for a bunch of snivelling, arrogant, scandal-prone cry babies.
But the fact remains that they DID score. Twice. That kinda ties the knot around the notion that Lehman was in ANY way a "superior" goalkeeper. Doesn't matter how long it took, mein Freund, the fact is, Italy scored. Twice. Germany was playing for the Penalty Kick phase, and that was wise of them because nobody beats Germany on PKs. Problem is, they were tired and didn't mark the Italian attackers well at all on the first goal (with only four minutes left in the OT), and on the second goal, they were just too tired to do anything and got caught moving forward on a brilliant lead pass.

GERMANY PLAYED A GREAT GAME against a team who HASN'T HAD A GOAL SCORED AGAINST THEM IN THE WHOLE CUP (their own-goal against the US doesn't count as one scored by an opposing team). So while I appreciate your loyalty, clearly the Itallian GK is "superior".

You lost, Schatze, get over it. At least the referee you had let the boys actually play the game -- all the more reason to believe the Germans were outlasted and bested by a better team. And this comes from a Seahawks fan whose team was openly sodomized by referees but still lost to a superior team (and then went on to lose Mack Strong and Steve Hutchinson...thereby ensuring no repeat of the NFC Championship...pardon me while I weep with rage), so please don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.

If I can take ribbing from some of the most obnoxious fans on the planet (and you know you are, Pittburghers, admit it), you can take some gentle tickling from the World Cup legions. You're still playing for third.

Italy won on luck? Luck?!!?

You know nothing about football. Go away.

Fuck you. I know as much about soccer as you do. So, why don't you just fuck off you homophobe.

Fuck you. I know as much about soccer as you do. So, why don't you just fuck off you homophobe.

Um... T? You may get ejected from the forums at this rate.
Please chill out a bit, eh?

No, I read your sorry post quite clearly. Don't blame me because you're an idiot.
Excuse me? You're calling her an idiot?

Why, I just don't understand! Germany lost. Italy won. Italy is going to the World Cup final, Germany is going to the third place playoff. Germany scored zero goals in the semi, Italy scored two goals. Now, how you can argue that Germany is better.. I don't get it.

Away with you.

Not that I want to get into it per se, but nota bene: both slavery and the dislocation of the natives were done by the colonial powers. Granted, the newly free US didn't do much to curtail either for several generations, but then it was busy trying to survive.
The comparison is not really valid.

Now, back to debating soccer/football!

Shows what you know about American history. They may have started the process, yes. But the United States, even after earning its independence, continued the policies started by said colonial powers, and continued them up to present day.

Oh no, I understand very well.
Hehe. No, you don't. If you think other people are making us act like this, then you don't understand.

If you really want to talk about this, start another thread. This is about football, not attempts to somehow take American nationalism and transpose it upon poor little Germany.

Fuck you. I know as much about soccer as you do. So, why don't you just fuck off you homophobe.
Homophobe... That's quite funny.

Tut tut. Say goodbye to jolt :)

They beat Argentina didn't they? Must still be smarting from that loss. But then again, Argentina deserved to lose, as they clearly were inferior. And so is Italy. Italy won by pure luck. They didn't dominate the match at all. In terms of play, Germany did beat Italy, since it took Italy almost 120 minutes to get enough luck to score against a superior German goal keeper.

This victory over a clearly superior team (and nation I might add), was nothing but luck for a bunch of snivelling, arrogant, scandal-prone cry babies.
CAREFUL, Kaiser, some might think you were calling for Lebensraum or something. Seriously, is that kind of nationalist ScheiB really necessary?

snivelling, arrogant cry babies.

<<< IRONY ALERT. >>>

P.S. It's over. Germany may still get third, why don't you stop embarrassing yourself and your country by reminding yourself there's still one match for Deutschland left.

People like you take away from the sport and contribute nothing in return. :headbang:

Fuck you. I know as much about soccer as you do. So, why don't you just fuck off you homophobe.

Oh, man. You know what? I love football. I love the fans who are so into it that they paint their bodies and scream like anything. Hell, I'm one of those fans.

What I hate is the somewhat psychotic fans, who don't understand that no matter how into the game they are, there's a line. There's a line between being upset that your team lost and believing that they should have better, and taking out your disappointment on others - especially with language like that. Unwarranted insults much? You're taking this way too personally, and way too far, so knock it off, turn off the computer, and go take a breather. Meditate a bit. Deep breaths do wonders for you.

Excuse me? You're calling her an idiot?

Why, I just don't understand! Germany lost. Italy won. Italy is going to the World Cup final, Germany is going to the third place playoff. Germany scored zero goals in the semi, Italy scored two goals. Now, how you can argue that Germany is better.. I don't get it.

Away with you.

Because they are you anti-gay fascist. Look at Brazil. They are considered by FIFA the best team in the world. They were ranked #1 going into this Cup. And they still lost. TO FRANCE of all nations. So, it's not always that the best team wins. Sometimes, inferior teams win on pure luck.

After watching Italy's performance from their first match in this cup up until today's match, it was clear that Italy wasn't playing up to the level they've played in the past. They even scored an own goal when they played the US! Germany never had a single own goal in this Cup. And they consistantly BEAT every team they played, having 3 consecutive shut outs, and 5 total victories. THATS how I say they were the better team. THATS how I say Italy won by sheer luck.

Those are the facts. Accept them.

...your country...
The US?

Oh, man. You know what? I love football. I love the fans who are so into it that they paint their bodies and scream like anything. Hell, I'm one of those fans.

What I hate is the somewhat psychotic fans, who don't understand that no matter how into the game they are, there's a line. There's a line between being upset that your team lost and believing that they should have better, and taking out your disappointment on others - especially with language like that. Unwarranted insults much? You're taking this way too personally, and way too far, so knock it off, turn off the computer, and go take a breather. Meditate a bit. Deep breaths do wonders for you.

piss off.

<<< IRONY ALERT. >>>

P.S. It's over. Germany may still get third, why don't you stop embarrassing yourself and your country by reminding yourself there's still one match for Deutschland left.

People like you take away from the sport and contribute nothing in return. :headbang:

Please, just shut the fuck up when you don't know what you're talking about.

Because they are you anti-gay fascist. Look at Brazil. They are considered by FIFA the best team in the world. They were ranked #1 going into this Cup. And they still lost. TO FRANCE of all nations. So, it's not always that the best team wins. Sometimes, inferior teams win on pure luck.

After watching Italy's performance from their first match in this cup up until today's match, it was clear that Italy wasn't playing up to the level they've played in the past. They even scored an own goal when they played the US! Germany never had a single own goal in this Cup. And they consistantly BEAT every team they played, having 3 consecutive shut outs, and 5 total victories. THATS how I say they were the better team. THATS how I say Italy won by sheer luck.

Those are the facts. Accept them.
No. Italy is in the final and Germany is not. That's the facts.

An anti-gay fascist from New Zealand? Boy, you really don't know much at all!

CAREFUL, Kaiser, some might think you were calling for Lebensraum or something. Seriously, is that kind of nationalist ScheiB really necessary?

Hey, so long as it's fine for the US to do it, it's fine for everyone else to do it.

Please, just shut the fuck up when you don't know what you're talking about.

Annnd... right back at you, love. :) Except I wouldn't use that language. You really are going to get banned, though... so hate me all you want for being an Italian fan, but we're trying to look out for ya. Tone it down or you're going to be gone.

No. Italy is in the final and Germany is not. That's the facts.

An anti-gay fascist from New Zealand? Boy, you really don't know much at all!

I certainly know more than you do asshole. Ewww...to think I voted for you in the sexiest man thread *shudders*

After watching Italy's performance from their first match in this cup up until today's match, it was clear that Italy wasn't playing up to the level they've played in the past. They even scored an own goal when they played the US! Germany never had a single own goal in this Cup. And they consistantly BEAT every team they played, having 3 consecutive shut outs, and 5 total victories. THATS how I say they were the better team. THATS how I say Italy won by sheer luck.
Hehe...

Total goals scored by Germany: 11
Total goals scored by Italy: 11

Total goals scored against Germany: 5
Total goals scored against Italy: 1

And besides, you're confusing football teams with nations.

Because they are you anti-gay fascist. Look at Brazil. They are considered by FIFA the best team in the world. They were ranked #1 going into this Cup. And they still lost. TO FRANCE of all nations. So, it's not always that the best team wins. Sometimes, inferior teams win on pure luck.

After watching Italy's performance from their first match in this cup up until today's match, it was clear that Italy wasn't playing up to the level they've played in the past. They even scored an own goal when they played the US! Germany never had a single own goal in this Cup. And they consistantly BEAT every team they played, having 3 consecutive shut outs, and 5 total victories. THATS how I say they were the better team. THATS how I say Italy won by sheer luck.

Those are the facts. Accept them.
Uh...France really manhandled Brazil, I don't know what game you were watching. Good luck against Portugal. Judging from today's late-game letdown, you'll probably need it.

piss off.

Relax man, don't make yourself enemies.

Shows what you know about American history. They may have started the process, yes. But the United States, even after earning its independence, continued the policies started by said colonial powers, and continued them up to present day.

That's quite a swipe!
Please re-read what I posted. I pointed out that it was started by the colonial powers and continued by the fledgling US.

Note, however, that your accusation is false. Slavery has been over for 140 years in the US and, may I add, contemporarily to serfdom in Russia, Bosnia, Hungary (both of the later two a part of Austria-Hungary) as well.

As for the natives being pushed off their land, tell me, when will the Germans give the land back to the Celts?
Probably never. Prior claim means nothing. The American Indian lost. QED. So did the other tribes the modern European states defeated.

Now, please let's bring the discussion back to soccer/football. If you want to reply to my post on if it was a great game or not, I look forward to that.

Hehe...

Total goals scored by Germany: 11
Total goals scored by Italy: 11

Total goals scored by other teams against Germany: 5
Total goals scored by other teams against Italy: 1

And besides, you're confusing football teams with nations.
Uh...the goal you're giving to Italy's opponents was an own-goal. No opposing team has scored against Italy all tournament. That certainly sinks Tarandella's "Superior Goalkeeper" argument.

Because they are you anti-gay fascist. Look at Brazil. They are considered by FIFA the best team in the world. They were ranked #1 going into this Cup. And they still lost. TO FRANCE of all nations. So, it's not always that the best team wins. Sometimes, inferior teams win on pure luck.
And sometimes inferior teams win by having good tactics...

After watching Italy's performance from their first match in this cup up until today's match, it was clear that Italy wasn't playing up to the level they've played in the past. They even scored an own goal when they played the US! Germany never had a single own goal in this Cup. And they consistantly BEAT every team they played, having 3 consecutive shut outs, and 5 total victories. THATS how I say they were the better team. THATS how I say Italy won by sheer luck.

Those are the facts. Accept them.
No, Italy haven't been playing to their best. But they did today, against a German side that has done far better than the majority of Germans expected.

I could quote stats at you to show that Germany are the inferior team - Germany conceded twice as many goals than Italy prior to the semi-final; Italy are leading Germany in head-to-heads, both in competitive and non-competitive matches; Italy won the last meeting between the teams, 4-1...

Now on to the match: possession was 58:42 in Italy's favour; Italy had nearly twice as many shots on target; Italy had three times as many corners...

And Italy scored twice. I remember Buffon being seriously tested once in the match. Italy managed to hit the post and the bar within two minutes of the start of extra time, both times with Lehmann beaten. I'd say that Italy were the superior team.

Please, drop it.

Because they are you anti-gay fascist. Look at Brazil. They are considered by FIFA the best team in the world. They were ranked #1 going into this Cup. And they still lost. TO FRANCE of all nations. So, it's not always that the best team wins. Sometimes, inferior teams win on pure luck.

After watching Italy's performance from their first match in this cup up until today's match, it was clear that Italy wasn't playing up to the level they've played in the past. They even scored an own goal when they played the US! Germany never had a single own goal in this Cup. And they consistantly BEAT every team they played, having 3 consecutive shut outs, and 5 total victories. THATS how I say they were the better team. THATS how I say Italy won by sheer luck.

Those are the facts. Accept them.


No matter how much you whine, germany still got shut out 2-0 and nobody cares about your excuses.

Just another annoying troll anyways though, it looks like.

And besides, you're confusing football teams with nations.

Whatever dude.

Because they are you anti-gay fascist. Look at Brazil. They are considered by FIFA the best team in the world. They were ranked #1 going into this Cup. And they still lost. TO FRANCE of all nations. So, it's not always that the best team wins. Sometimes, inferior teams win on pure luck.
Don't pull the FIFA rankings into it, you know someone will always pull out the US-is-ranked-No.5 card.

And Brasil were awful. Terrible. Gruesome. Tragic. France won because Zidane danced rings around the Brasilians, and then perfectly placed the ball for Henry.

Hehe...

Total goals scored by Germany: 11
Total goals scored by Italy: 11

Total goals scored against Germany: 5
Total goals scored against Italy: 1

And besides, you're confusing football teams with nations.

Wow... I agree with NL!

(Looks for the blue lightning...)

I certainly know more than you do asshole. Ewww...to think I voted for you in the sexiest man thread *shudders*
And? That's irrelevant considering that thread was about looks..

Hey look! Neu Leonstein just owned you! Can you go away now?

Uh...the goal you're giving to Italy's opponents was an own-goal.
Yeah, I wasn't sure whether to make it "scored against", or "scored against by another team". I confused myself, but the post's already been edited.

Relax man, don't make yourself enemies.

Do you think I care if these people consider me an enemy for having pride in my nation and being upset over a loss? No.

If I cared, I'd be doing everything on this earth to make people like me. But I don't because it's a waste of energy. There will always people that hate me because of who and what I am. And that's fine. I'm not going to waste my energy trying to be/stay on their good sides. Same with these people here. If they can't handle me, they've got the option to ignore. I've certainly made a good use of the ignore list tonight.

Do you think I care if these people consider me an enemy for having pride in my nation and being upset over a loss? No.

If I cared, I'd be doing everything on this earth to make people like me. But I don't because it's a waste of energy. There will always people that hate me because of who and what I am. And that's fine. I'm not going to waste my energy trying to be/stay on their good sides. Same with these people here. If they can't handle me, they've got the option to ignore. I've certainly made a good use of the ignore list tonight.
I hate you because you have no knowledge about football.

Whatever dude.
Wow. Brilliant. This from the land that produced Nietzsche. No, I won't judge Germans by you, Schweinbumser, that's something you like to do. I know the vast majority of Germans are rational, fun-loving people who will take this loss in stride.

Seriously, "dude", have a Kostritzer or an Ayinger and relax.

Do you think I care if these people consider me an enemy for having pride in my nation and being upset over a loss? No.
Leave my bloody nation alone! Go and have pride in your own nation!

And besides...what does any of this have to do with nations? We're talking about a football match! Unless 80 million Germans played 60 million Italians just then, your sample might not quite be large enough.

Don't pull the FIFA rankings into it, you know someone will always pull out the US-is-ranked-No.5 card.

And Brasil were awful. Terrible. Gruesome. Tragic. France won because Zidane danced rings around the Brasilians, and then perfectly placed the ball for Henry.

That wasn't my point. My point was that, everyone though the Brazilians were gonna make it all the way to the finals, while Germany wouldn't even make it out of group play. My point was that, even the best teams fall to a lucky shot (or two) for their opponents. That's all that happened here. The German team lost because Italy got in two lucky shots. Period. If Italy really were the superior team, they would have, as you put it, danced rings around the German defenders, and would've won by a much higher score.

Total goals scored by Germany: 11
Total goals scored by Italy: 11

Total goals scored against Germany: 5
Total goals scored against Italy: 1


WOW!


Germany isnt even nearly as good as italy!


Its amazing germany was lucky enough to get as far as it did!

ITALIA!

That wasn't my point. My point was that, everyone though the Brazilians were gonna make it all the way to the finals, while Germany wouldn't even make it out of group play. My point was that, even the best teams fall to a lucky shot (or two) for their opponents. That's all that happened here. The German team lost because Italy got in two lucky shots. Period. If Italy really were the superior team, they would have, as you put it, danced rings around the German defenders, and would've won by a much higher score.
Well if Germany were the better team then why didn't they score any goals at all? Duh, you're own arguement makes you look like a fool.

Leave my bloody nation alone! Go and have pride in your own nation!

I have pride in my own nation, it's called GERMANY. If you're referring to the United States, why should I have pride in a nation that:

1) sucks at soccer.
2) Persecutes an entire community of people because of their lifestyle
3) Has no universal healthcare system
4) Has a terrible education system
5) Is spending billions of dollars to condone the raping and murdering of innocents abroad
6) Bullies other nations into being on their side rather than letting other nations be

I'm sorry, but there is nothing to be proud about being an American citizen. Hence WHY I'm trying to formalize my German citizenry.

Schweinbumser
If you want a tip...you should probably quit with the German words. Most of them are not quite right anyways. ;)

Leave my bloody nation alone! Go and have pride in your own nation!

And besides...what does any of this have to do with nations? We're talking about a football match! Unless 80 million Germans played 60 million Italians just then, your sample might not quite be large enough.
oh come on! you don't seriously believe that? the world cup is all about one nation at the top of football.

Italy sucks! i'm surprised they won!

I have pride in my own nation, it's called GERMANY.
Hehe, yeah, right.

Good luck with that too.

Its amazing germany was lucky enough to get as far as it did!
I thought you were asked to knock it off?

Germany isnt even nearly as good as italy!
Italy: diving our way to the top.

Hehe, yeah, right.

Good luck with that too.


I thought you were asked to knock it off?


All the teams I originally wanted to win are out, so I have a lot of pent-up exuberance for when the teams that eliminated them lose :)

Italy: diving our way to the top.
Better than not diving and losing.

It's all about winning :cool:

oh come on! you don't seriously believe that? the world cup is all about one nation at the top of football.
I know that when you talk about a football match, whatever "superior" qualities the nations posess don't matter. On the pitch you get 11 players from each side playing a game against each other, no more, no less.

If you want a tip...you should probably quit with the German words. Most of them are not quite right anyways. ;)

Aw, let him try. Everyone complains when people don't try to speak/learn other languages! :)

(Me? My German is so poor, I know better. I'll just use it to navigate Vienna every now and again... I just wish the Vienesse wouldn't look at me like I was from Mars when I try Slovak, Czech and bad German before going to English... at least I don't try Spanish!)

Okay everybody, the flaming has been reported to moderation.

Maybe everybody could take a deep breath now, decide to maybe actually *not* finish the replies they were about to post to certain other posters, and go back to the game and only the game and in a civilized manner?

That would be great. Thank you. :)

Italy: diving our way to the top.


As opposed to diving their way to the bottom :)

Italy sucks! i'm surprised they won!

You weren't the only one!

Okay everybody, the flaming has been reported to moderation.

Maybe everybody could take a deep breath now, decide to maybe actually *not* finish the replies they were about to post to certain pther posters, and go back to the game and only the game and in a civilized manner?

That would be great. Thank you. :)

As far as I'm concerned, I've made my point, and my yelling. I don't intend to flame any more, just to put everyone that does on ignore.

Do you think I care if these people consider me an enemy for having pride in my nation and being upset over a loss? No.

If I cared, I'd be doing everything on this earth to make people like me. But I don't because it's a waste of energy. There will always people that hate me because of who and what I am. And that's fine. I'm not going to waste my energy trying to be/stay on their good sides. Same with these people here. If they can't handle me, they've got the option to ignore. I've certainly made a good use of the ignore list tonight.
If all you were doing was expressing pride and disappointment after a loss, nobody would consider you anything but human.

It's not a matter of handling you, as a person. What we're having trouble with is why you had to resort to insults and personal attacks after defying reality with your posts and claiming that not only was your goalkeeper, team AND NATION superior to others (the first two of which were clearly disproven by the reality of the game we all saw today). Nobody has a problem with pride, but when you use it to excuse shoddy behavior, that makes you objectionable and you deserve the banning that's coming to you. I'm sorry you can't separate nations and human beings from a football game. In fact, I have pity for everyone who KNOWS you if "what and who you are" is mired in this kind of childish tantrum.

When you grow up, you may realize what a complete fool you've been. Until then, you'll earn all the things you will probably attribute to "bad luck" or being "picked on". Remember that: you earned it all.

I know that when you talk about a football match, whatever "superior" qualities the nations posess don't matter. On the pitch you get 11 players from each side playing a game against each other, no more, no less.
italy won't choose players to their national team that don't play for italian clubs. no nationalism there?

All the teams I originally wanted to win are out, so I have a lot of pent-up exuberance for when the teams that eliminated them lose :)
I'm pretty sure though that no one hackled you when they lost. So you should restrain yourself and show that bit of common decency.

Germany was clearly better than all their opponents with the exception of Argentina (and now Italy of course). In that match both teams were equally strong, both teams deserved the win (unless you count the way the Argentines acted after they lost), and that's why it went to penalties. And the side with the stronger nerves won.

Italy: diving our way to the top.
Well, gotta hand it to them (and the ref) - they didn't really get to show off their considerable diving skills today. :p

If you want a tip...you should probably quit with the German words. Most of them are not quite right anyways. ;)
They're not quite right because I'm inventing them. Were I to use the actual Deutsch, I'd be no better than that...person.

I'd say that Italy were the superior team.

Please, drop it.

You can say what you want, but my FAITH, in the German team remains unwavering, regardless of the stats. People place way too much emphasis on the statistics anyway. And no, I will not drop it. But you can join my growing ignore list :).

Well, gotta hand it to them (and the ref) - they didn't really get to show off their considerable diving skills today. :p
hehe
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3839236686436319197
aye, i was not as disgusted by italian football today as I usually am.

As far as I'm concerned, I've made my point, and my yelling. I don't intend to flame any more, just to put everyone that does on ignore.
I didn't know it was possible to ignore yourself...

You can say what you want, but my FAITH, in the German team remains unwavering, regardless of the stats. People place way too much emphasis on the statistics anyway. And no, I will not drop it. But you can join my growing ignore list :).
Faith has absolutely nothing to do with it considering the game is over.