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North Korea claims they will start a nuclear war if the US conducts a preemptive strike on their long-range missile. Do you think they are serious or are they just making noise?

By the way, I seriously doubt the US will try a preemptive strike, but they may try to shoot down the missile after it is launched.

What think you?

Making noise, but the Chinese will talk them out of it, as they usually do.

I think were all fucked.

It's almost impossible to tell whether or not NK is just blowing smoke. They've done it so often for so long you just can't tell.

Anyway, I don't think the US will conduct a preemptive strike on the launch site, but I think with all of this talk about it we almost have to shoot it down after it launches. Of course, there is always the chance for the embarassment of watching the missile just sail past our ABM systems without getting hit.

We'll shoot it down, no quesion, but I doubt about a preemptive strike.

Of course, there is always the chance for the embarassment of watching the missile just sail past our ABM systems without getting hit.

If that happens, you can bet Congress will vote $$ billions more of our tax money for the missile defense system. :(

I think were all fucked.
Who were all fucked?

If that happens, you can bet Congress will vote $$ billions more of our tax money for the missile defense system. :(

Which almost makes you wonder if they'll miss on purpose.

It's almost impossible to tell whether or not NK is just blowing smoke. They've done it so often for so long you just can't tell.

Anyway, I don't think the US will conduct a preemptive strike on the launch site, but I think with all of this talk about it we almost have to shoot it down after it launches. Of course, there is always the chance for the embarassment of watching the missile just sail past our ABM systems without getting hit.If the ABM systems don't work it's best to know about them before an actual attack on the US happens so we can find out what went wrong and fix it. I say shoot the fucker down.

North Korea claims they will start a nuclear war if the US conducts a preemptive strike on their long-range missile. Do you think they are serious or are they just making noise?

Do you fancy testing their claim?

Do you?

Do you fancy testing their claim?

Do you?
I do. I'd call lil' kim's bluff. He likes being the littlest dictator. He doesn't want to give up his life of expensive liquor and cadres of attractive women for living in a fallout shelter.

They are trying to blackmail Dominoes pizza for a few hundred thousand with pepperoni and a few million plain ...and they waved the 25 minute or less delivery guarantee . I hear McDonalds offerd to drop som Big Macs on them also as a humanitarian gesture .

Who cares about the Munchkin Elvis impersonator and his munchkin minions with the big firecracker ?

When they can figure out how to do a simple thing like get enough food to eat , then maybe I will be concerned with them as a military power .




he's just pissed off becuase the Mullas in iran are doing a better blackmail job than he is .

Do you fancy testing their claim?

Do you?

Well, if he wants to start a nuclear war, he would need a delivery system. They have what, one missile on one launcher that could reach the US, is not in a hardened silo, and must be fueled in the open?

Sure, they could slag South Korea, and maybe a few Japanese cities, but would that defeat the US, even if the US did not retaliate?

The new PAC-3 is in place in South Korea and Japan, per their requests. It worked extremely well in the recent OIF, where it automatically engaged real Iraqi tactical ballistic missiles in computer-controlled ripple fire. Quite unlike the original Patriot in the 1991 Gulf War, the PAC-3 uses a non-explosive hit to kill mechanism, so there's no doubt that you got a hit.

Add to that the SM-3, which is aboard ships in the ocean near North Korea. It successfully hit ballistic missiles as well, but not just for terminal defense like the PAC-3 - it is a mid-course and terminal defense interceptor which also uses the same hit to kill technology.

The only missile defense with a questionable record is the GBI or Ground Based Interceptor stationed in Alaska. But, it shares the same hit to kill and target discrimination technology as the PAC-3 and SM-3.

That part of the technology was proven in combat with the PAC-3 in the recent OIF.

I say we blow NK to pieces, then see if the still want to start a nuclear war, I mean look at us, we're America, us and Britian are the war bad asses of the world.

Just attention whoring as usual.

Handy bargaining chip though.

They're toying with the U.S., China, Japan and western nations - probably trying to see how far they can go before the rest of the world will take action. It also helps lift morale at home to show that North Korea can stand up to even the most powerful nations in the world.

The U.S. might have carried out a pre-emptive strike if it weren't for two wars in the Middle East that aren't going well. We will probably shoot the missile down if it gets anywhere near U.S. soil. Japan has already threatened to do the same if I'm not mistaken.

But, thinking strategically, if Kim has any brains on him, he won't launch his missile if he believes the U.S. or Japan will shoot it down. That would be bad propaganda. He'll only launch if he knows no one will stop him.

I say we blow NK to pieces, then see if the still want to start a nuclear war, I mean look at us, we're America, us and Britian are the war bad asses of the world.

And then kiss Seoul, South Korea goodbye. But hey, they all look alike so what's the big deal huh? I mean it's not like there's Americans over there *coughcoughYongsancoughcough*.

They're toying with the U.S., China, Japan and western nations - probably trying to see how far they can go before the rest of the world will take action. It also helps lift morale at home to show that North Korea can stand up to even the most powerful nations in the world.

A possibility but if we do and he does....there won't be a North Korea left.

The U.S. might have carried out a pre-emptive strike if it weren't for two wars in the Middle East that aren't going well. We will probably shoot the missile down if it gets anywhere near U.S. soil. Japan has already threatened to do the same if I'm not mistaken.

This is so wrong on so many levels its not even worth the effort to point them out. Not to mention it is thread jacking. We do have the ability to launch a pre-emptive strike. We don't even have to use ground forces in the pre-emptive strike. Just take out NKs side of the DMZ as well as the missile test site. It can be done.

But, thinking strategically, if Kim has any brains on him, he won't launch his missile if he believes the U.S. or Japan will shoot it down. That would be bad propaganda. He'll only launch if he knows no one will stop him.

Or he will in the hopes that we don't shoot it down for if we do, he'll have to follow through on his threats for if he doesn't, that's all they are, threats. If he follows through, he's screwed and if he doesn't, he screwed again. Its damn if he does and damn if he doesn't.

Isn't NK "testing" their little missile on Japan/USA? If they're testing it on countries that will blow NK off the map with ease, that's not "testing," it's screwing oneself over.

If they're blowing smoke, I say we threaten a nuclear war unles they shut up. If they test their missile on us... :mp5:

But I think Kimmie's blowing smoke and trying to make himself look cool by ticking off the western nations. Hopefully China will get them to either shut up or not to launch anything.

And then kiss Seoul, South Korea goodbye. But hey, they all look alike so what's the big deal huh? I mean it's not like there's Americans over there *coughcoughYongsancoughcough*.

Sometimes we have to make sacrifices.

North Korea is not a threat to anybody

Their "nukes" are probably larger-than-avergae warheads, as I find it extremly doubtful that North Korea could make nukes without major outside help.

Their military is a joke. It may have over a million people in it, but its the pinnacle of 60's and 70's technology. They have very few pieces of modern equipment.

theyre a joke

North Korea claims they will start a nuclear war if the US conducts a preemptive strike on their long-range missile. Do you think they are serious or are they just making noise?

By the way, I seriously doubt the US will try a preemptive strike, but they may try to shoot down the missile after it is launched.

What think you?
The North Koreans are serious. They are an extremely insular, ethnocentric, paranoid people who have been isolated from the rest of the world for at least two generations now. They remind me of the Japanese prior to WWII.

North Korea is not a threat to anybody

Their "nukes" are probably larger-than-avergae warheads, as I find it extremly doubtful that North Korea could make nukes without major outside help.

Their military is a joke. It may have over a million people in it, but its the pinnacle of 60's and 70's technology. They have very few pieces of modern equipment.

theyre a joke

the soiuth koreans and japanese arent laughing though.

go on, dismiss a nuclear armed militaristic society. :rolleyes:

when will you krazy yanks learn

the soiuth koreans and japanese arent laughing though.

go on, dismiss a nuclear armed militaristic society. :rolleyes:

when will you krazy yanks learn
way to generealise and steriotype, Im not a yankee, or a gringo, or a "USasian" or w/e

And I will, the nations close to NK have the capabilities to defeat it easily. while China, SK, or Japan might not have the time to intercept the missile, they are more than capable of blowing the crap out of North Korea and its decrepid conscript army

But, thinking strategically, if Kim has any brains on him, he won't launch his missile if he believes the U.S. or Japan will shoot it down. That would be bad propaganda. He'll only launch if he knows no one will stop him.

Ah, but the beauty of being a dictator is only the propaganda you want your people to hear actually gets to them. He can launch it and claim whatever he wants about what happened after it launched.

Well, if he wants to start a nuclear war, he would need a delivery system. They have what, one missile on one launcher that could reach the US, is not in a hardened silo, and must be fueled in the open?

Sure, they could slag South Korea, and maybe a few Japanese cities, but would that defeat the US, even if the US did not retaliate?

The new PAC-3 is in place in South Korea and Japan, per their requests. It worked extremely well in the recent OIF, where it automatically engaged real Iraqi tactical ballistic missiles in computer-controlled ripple fire. Quite unlike the original Patriot in the 1991 Gulf War, the PAC-3 uses a non-explosive hit to kill mechanism, so there's no doubt that you got a hit.

Add to that the SM-3, which is aboard ships in the ocean near North Korea. It successfully hit ballistic missiles as well, but not just for terminal defense like the PAC-3 - it is a mid-course and terminal defense interceptor which also uses the same hit to kill technology.

The only missile defense with a questionable record is the GBI or Ground Based Interceptor stationed in Alaska. But, it shares the same hit to kill and target discrimination technology as the PAC-3 and SM-3.

That part of the technology was proven in combat with the PAC-3 in the recent OIF.


Now for all of those wags who thought that a missile defense system was something that would never work, and was worthless, isn't this a much better option than trying to nuke North Korea?

IIRC, there were several exercises held out of Seymour Johnson AFB with F-15E Strike Eagles armed with B-61 nuclear weapons during the Clinton Administration. Rather than try and build a defense against North Korean missiles, they thought it would be better to drop 40 to 50 nuclear weapons in rapid succession on North Korea.

Who is more of a warmonger? Someone who builds a defense to stop a handful of missiles, or someone who plans on immediately dropping 40 to 50 thermonuclear weapons on a country in retaliation?

And then kiss Seoul, South Korea goodbye. But hey, they all look alike so what's the big deal huh? I mean it's not like there's Americans over there *coughcoughYongsancoughcough*.
Gauthier: "Everything I don't agree with = racism".

(Of course, like all sane people I also disagree with this lunatic, but this particular buffoon isn't a racist.)

Gauthier: "Everything I don't agree with = racism".

(Of course, like all sane people I also disagree with this lunatic, but this particular buffoon isn't a racist.)

No, no. With Gauthier, if you don't agree with him, you're a Bushevik, even if your bisexuality doesn't get you very far with the Republicans.

Ah, but the beauty of being a dictator is only the propaganda you want your people to hear actually gets to them. He can launch it and claim whatever he wants about what happened after it launched.

You are talking about North Korea, right?

I think we are due for another World War anyway.

They're not just making noise...They know they have a pathetic military, despite raw numbers...

They need nukes to blackmail their neighbors and the U.S...

It is my sincere hope that we will begin a full-on invasion right after the U.S. mid-term elections..

They're not just making noise...They know they have a pathetic military, despite raw numbers...

They need nukes to blackmail their neighbors and the U.S...

It is my sincere hope that we will begin a full-on invasion right after the U.S. mid-term elections..

You go first. I've already done enough in the Middle East.

I do. I'd call lil' kim's bluff. He likes being the littlest dictator. He doesn't want to give up his life of expensive liquor and cadres of attractive women for living in a fallout shelter.

I don't know, he might have one hell of a well stocked fallout shelter. :eek:

I don't know, he might have one hell of a well stocked fallout shelter. :eek:
If you land a Mk12A reentry vehicle on the shelter, it won't matter if it's a half mile underground.

Their military is a joke. It may have over a million people in it, but its the pinnacle of 60's and 70's technology. They have very few pieces of modern equipment.

Ah, the old quality vs. quantity debate. A million man military armed with rifles can do a hell of a lot of damage. Might even win if they move quickly enough. It would take time for the US and Japan to move their technology to Korea.

Ah, the old quality vs. quantity debate. A million man military armed with rifles can do a hell of a lot of damage. Might even win if they move quickly enough. It would take time for the US and Japan to move their technology to Korea.

Not to mention if they disperse and fight as insurgents.

Not to mention if they disperse and fight as insurgents.

I can't think of many people who would actually fight for the NK government if it was toppled, unless they got (unlikely) Chinese backing.

I can't think of many people who would actually fight for the NK government if it was toppled, unless they got (unlikely) Chinese backing.
Not to mention that, once the government is toppled, these people will have little access to even the rations they were once allowed....Remember, an army marches on its' stomach...

I can't think of many people who would actually fight for the NK government if it was toppled, unless they got (unlikely) Chinese backing.
Strange what 3 generations of isolated, warped 'education' (read brainwashing) will do for a youngster.

There is no opposition there. There is no underground movement ready to spring forth and help. There is no voice against the 'boss'. There is nothing but the Stalinist regime holding back the Western barbarian hordes...... and you think an invasion by said 'hordes' will disprove this image to the average North Korean?

No, no. With Gauthier, if you don't agree with him, you're a Bushevik, even if your bisexuality doesn't get you very far with the Republicans.

You mean like how lesbianism didn't get Mary Cheney far with the Republicans?

:rolleyes:

Wow, that was quite a non-sequitur considering sexual orientation wasn't even in the fucking neighborhood. I guess playing the Oppression Card's okay if only your side does it huh?

Besides which, you can't even try to figure out the post was a snide remark to the "Nuke the Fuckers" mentality that was displayed to the post it was replying to.

But hey, you're part of the crowd that takes "America, Fuck Yeah!!" at face value as The New National Anthem so go figure.

Why are we even worrying about NK? As far as I know, their missile is just a larger-than-average warhead. NK's just blowing smoke, and the Western nations are wayy paranoid. They have nothing to fear, because NK is more afraid of them nuking it.

Feel free to disprove, I just know that NK doesn't actually have nukes, but they're planning to "test" their missile on somebody.

I can't think of many people who would actually fight for the NK government if it was toppled, unless they got (unlikely) Chinese backing.


Then you dont understand the North Korean mindset

their media feeds them these lines

yankees want to invade north korea like they did in 1950
yankees are occupying south korea
yankees are oppressing the south korean people who all want to join the north.
kim jong loony is the greatest military leader since the death of God (his father)
kim jong loony is also an expert in everything he looks at.
north korea army is the best in the world and every soldier is a match for 100 yankees
etc etc etc etc

Oh and dissent or try to defect, we'll lock you up and your entire family if we catch you (200 000 ppl in forced labour/concentration camps (est))

This is whats been fed to the north koreans for the past 50 yrs

Ah, the old quality vs. quantity debate. A million man military armed with rifles can do a hell of a lot of damage. Might even win if they move quickly enough. It would take time for the US and Japan to move their technology to Korea.
yeah, lets see, if we pit North Korea against South Korea, NK outnumbers SK 3 to 1 (military in service, no reservists or anything).

The SK soldier is well trained, using modern weaponry, effectively led, and has all the reason to belive he can beat his nortern counterpart. The NK soldier has old weaponry, is poorly trained, dont know about the leadership, and is fed propaganda, which will dissolve once it hits reality.

The North Koreans must not like those odds