NationStates Jolt Archive

A Philosophy i considerd for PunishmentVSRehab is the Nature and Nurture arguement.
If you back Nature, the crminal is not responsible for their actions due to the Nature of their genes and is as such devoid of free will, if you agree with Nurture, the Criminal is still not responsible as they were raised and nurtured in an enviroment which they cannot control, and once again free will is taken from them.
Ofcourse this is shite with the only thing i agree with is that a lot of self-analysis is needed for truly free will, although this itself falls into Nature and Nurture.

Criminals should be punished. Once passed the Age of 21 no leniency, imprisonment and sentencing.
Punish policemen who are lenient too.
As a Liberal in most senses i probobly shock most liberals here by backing the opposite side, but ideologies are stupid, we must take the best of both if we hope to create a good society.

Thoughts/Comments/Kudos/Flames please

if they get fried in the
"chair" then make their family watch so they know they did wrong from the look on their kids face
now that's justice

I suppose the reason they offend in the first place is the absense of right from wrong, or simply no giving a flying fudge stick about the consequences of their actions.

In my opinion - the punishment should always fit the crime - however, they should be assessed and recommendations given on their likelyhood to respond to rehab - because lets face it - some of them dont deserve a 2nd a chance

... Punish policemen who are lenient too...


Yeah, problem is, it's the courts who are the 'lenient ones'. The cops are doing their jobs, but when they bring the bad guy in to lay charges on him, it's then the courts' decision.

Field experience shows that recidivism-rates are about the same for both Rehab and Punishment.

Source: Judge Judy - don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.

Field experience shows that recidivism-rates are about the same for both Rehab and Punishment.

Source: Judge Judy - don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.

hahahaha

she rox

if you want rehab shoot them and see if they do it again if they do kill them

I don't really agree with your stance on nature or nuture.

Every action we make ultimatly comes down to a desicion for us, yes or no. This is the same for all of us barring those how suffer from certian types of mental illness.

As to punishment or rehabilitation, that depends on both the crime comitted and your personal view of humanist ideals.

Either we all have a right to live our lives as we would within the bounds of law, or we all except certian people have a right to live our lives as we will within the bounds of law.

if you want rehab shoot them and see if they do it again if they do kill them

that reminds me of my time in the middle east

they still cut off fingers, hands, heads, feet etc dependant on the crime, and they make it compulsory for people of their faith to attend the mosque and watch - and you can bet they didnt re-offend

May i point out that this was in the area where i stayed and it was 10 years ago, so please dont start ranting at me if you disagree. I know where i lived, and i know what went on

Neither nasture nor nurture preclude free will, nor each other for that matter. People's behaviour is a combination of all three.
Nature and nurture form constraints on people's choices, but don't limit it to one. (Not even close)

As for punishment vs rehab. Well, first off it misses compensation. Aside from punishing criminals or rehabilitating them, you could also make them compensate the victims in as much as possible.
In the end it really depends on what you want. If you want to make sure a criminal never does a crime again, shoot him. If you want to do right by the victim, let the criminal make reparations. If you want to make society better, look at the criminal's motives; if repeat offense is unlikely, make him work off a debt to the community. etc etc.
No one gets better from a one-trick-pony approach to justice.

Neither nasture nor nurture preclude free will, nor each other for that matter. People's behaviour is a combination of all three.
Nature and nurture form constraints on people's choices, but don't limit it to one. (Not even close)

As for punishment vs rehab. Well, first off it misses compensation. Aside from punishing criminals or rehabilitating them, you could also make them compensate the victims in as much as possible.
In the end it really depends on what you want. If you want to make sure a criminal never does a crime again, shoot him. If you want to do right by the victim, let the criminal make reparations. If you want to make society better, look at the criminal's motives; if repeat offense is unlikely, make him work off a debt to the community. etc etc.
No one gets better from a one-trick-pony approach to justice.

Yeah agreed as of most things, it's all more complicated than one or two issues. I guess really we should take every individual and work on that sort of basis, although I must admit that thinking about the logistics of that makes me shudder