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For some reason, whenever someone mentions the Vietnam war these images pop into my head.

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I remember that time.

these are the images I think of.

http://smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/05/22/TranThieHetNhanny_wideweb__430x306.jpg

http://www.vietnamwar.com/mylaimassacre.jpg

http://www.themodelminority.com/misc/images/execution.jpg

http://www.gregdooley.com/images/lasthueysaigon1.jpg

http://www.p10k.net/Images/Vietnam_girl_napalm.jpg

Whenever I think of Nam, it reminds me of the bravery of the troops who fought and died in this (unfair) war.


Also, what always comes to mind is the UH-1 "Huey" helecopter. It was the workhorse of the Vietnam war. and it is still the main helecopter in many militaries today.

Vietnam brings this traitorus bitch to mind:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.voanews.com/vietnamese/images/ap_jane_fonda_vietnam_visit_hanoi_1972_4105.jpg&imgrefurl=http://restraininorder.blogspot.com/2005_08_01_restraininorder_archive.html&h=225&w=165&sz=50&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=MCwRuHFb8MWjCM:&tbnh=102&tbnw=74&prev=/images%3Fq%3DJane%2BFonda%2Bin%2BVietnam%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG

Didn't go through all of the links. My first image to pop in was the people going up the ladder to the helicopter at the end. It symbolized the whole war. Technology and despiration lead to a finallity of loss.

I remember that time.

these are the images I think of.

http://smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/05/22/TranThieHetNhanny_wideweb__430x306.jpg

http://www.vietnamwar.com/mylaimassacre.jpg

http://www.themodelminority.com/misc/images/execution.jpg

http://www.gregdooley.com/images/lasthueysaigon1.jpg

http://www.p10k.net/Images/Vietnam_girl_napalm.jpg

That one 3rd from top was a vietcong spy/assassin who killed a Vietnamese deputie's family...no sympathy for the guy getting shot.

FYI I'd edit you're photos..one shows a naked kid, the other shows the Varmintcong getting blasted. I think you can see the bullet exiting his head. C'mon, don't trash my thread.

Start your own.

oh and this sums it up for me.

http://www.geocities.com/joren_17931/Vietnam_patrol.jpg

C'mon, don't trash my thread.
...yeah, about that: Do you actually have a point to make?

My first image to pop in was the people going up the ladder to the helicopter at the end. It symbolized the whole war.
This one:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a8/Vietnamescape.jpg

http://libarts.wsu.edu/history/this-month/images/graphics/kent-state.jpg

That one 3rd from top was a vietcong spy/assassin who killed a Vietnamese deputie's family...no sympathy for the deputy.

FYI I'd edit you're photos..one shows a naked kid, the other shows the Varmintcong getting blasted. I think you can see the bullet exiting his head. C'mon, don't trash my thread.

Start your own.

You asked what pictures come to mind when someone mentions the Vietnam war, and for many of us, they are the types of things we think of.

Vietnam brings this traitorus bitch to mind:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.voanews.com/vietnamese/images/ap_jane_fonda_vietnam_visit_hanoi_1972_4105.jpg&imgrefurl=http://restraininorder.blogspot.com/2005_08_01_restraininorder_archive.html&h=225&w=165&sz=50&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=MCwRuHFb8MWjCM:&tbnh=102&tbnw=74&prev=/images%3Fq%3DJane%2BFonda%2Bin%2BVietnam%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG

Dude don't bring her into this thread....she is universally hated. :mad: (not at you, but at that traitorous whore)

Dude don't bring her into this thread....she is universally hated. :mad: (not at you, but at that traitorous whore)

well most people at my high school dont even know who she is and that is SAD. people need to know what she did.

oh and this sums it up for me.

http://www.geocities.com/joren_17931/Vietnam_patrol.jpg

I've got a bigger one of that same pic if you want it. Shoot me an IM on AIM, kcimb.

well most people at my high school dont even know who she is and that is SAD. people need to know what she did.
Dude, you're provoking a response. I know because I deleted one to post this. You heard the "man", don't bring her in here.
This thread is best dealt with by letting it die a quick and painless death.

...yeah, about that: Do you actually have a point to make?


This one:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a8/Vietnamescape.jpg

No. This is NS general, we don't make points, we just pointlessly flame, spam, troll, and promote..even..more....eating of tasty animals.

You asked what pictures come to mind when someone mentions the Vietnam war, and for many of us, they are the types of things we think of.

Alas, I relent. My apologies.

All I can think are the Rambo movies and Platoon. Vietnam... meh.

Dude, you're provoking a response. I know because I deleted one to post this. You heard the "man", don't bring her in here.
This thread is best dealt with by letting it die a quick and painless death.

Bah, let him. If It's a picture that comes to mind, it's welcome in this thread.

Is it wrong that I think of my favourite racer from the computer game Carmageddon (1997)?

Agent Orange;
http://bim.km.ru/images/quake/agent.gif

I didn't understand his name until I learned of the Vietnam war years later.
*I played this game when I was 7*

when i think of vietnam i think of the media and how much they complicate the easiest of things.

war is war, dont expect pictures of vietcong and US soldiers sharing a laugh together. of course your going to have civilian cassualties and many other affects. war has been full of "unfair" practices since the very first battle in the history of this world.

The regrets of being sixteen. My parents were little (likely uncomprehending) kids when that was going on - I've got no connection at all.

That one 3rd from top was a vietcong spy/assassin who killed a Vietnamese deputie's family...no sympathy for the guy getting shot.

FYI I'd edit you're photos..one shows a naked kid, the other shows the Varmintcong getting blasted. I think you can see the bullet exiting his head. C'mon, don't trash my thread.

Start your own.I know what the images are, the third is actually an impromptu execution of someone who killed a policeman. The shooter if I remember correctly was a ranking government official. I made no editorial comment on any of them except that these are the images that represent that time of my life to me. I believe that particular image won a pulitzer. So, no, I won't delete it or edit it or the classic image of the young girl running from the area of My Lai who had ripped off her clothes that had been splattered with naplam. These are images that have become iconic with that particular struggle. If they offend your fragile, idealistic image of heroic American warriors, too fuckin bad.

well hes got a point. but liberals always like to outline the bad things american soldiers did. of course the My Lai masssacre was horrible. of course dropping nalpalm on innocent civilians is regrettable. but the NVA committed even more horriffic attrocities. In 1968, the NVA killed thousands of civilians in Hue. The NVA gunned down civilains fleeing from Quang Tri in 1972. and the NVA shelled fleeing cloumns of civilians in 1975. Oh and cant forget when the NVA whipped out flamethrowers and slaughtered Montagnard women and children on several occasions.
heres the source:

http://www.lib.washington.edu/southeastasia/vsg/elist_2001/Massacres.html

so stfu you silly america bashers ans get a life.

well hes got a point. but liberals always like to outline the bad things american soldiers did. of course the My Lai masssacre was horrible. of course dropping nalpalm on innocent civilians is regrettable. but the NVA committed even more horriffic attrocities. In 1968, the NVA killed thousands of civilians in Hue. The NVA gunned down civilains fleeing from Quang Tri in 1972. and the NVA shelled fleeing cloumns of civilians in 1975. heres the source:

http://www.lib.washington.edu/southeastasia/vsg/elist_2001/Massacres.html

so stfu you silly america bashers ans get a life.

We found it necessary to kill them for committing atrocities, why do we get off for free?

i belive there WAS a war crimes trial against american action. google it if youd like. so we DONT get off for free.

i belive there WAS a war crimes trial against american action. google it if youd like. so we DONT get off for free.
Oh, so now that it was sweapt under the rug, we should just forget about it then?

of course the My Lai masssacre was horrible. of course dropping nalpalm on innocent civilians is regrettable. but the NVA committed even more horriffic attrocities. In 1968, the NVA killed thousands of civilians in Hue. The NVA gunned down civilains fleeing from Quang Tri in 1972. and the NVA shelled fleeing cloumns of civilians in 1975. Oh and cant forget when the NVA whipped out flamethrowers and slaughtered Montagnard women and children on several occasions.
None of which excuses American atrocities. Look, I've been alive a lot longer than the OP, and I'll be damned if I recall a single one of the images he linked to. One of them I can't even be certain what I'm even looking at. However, THE LOST PLANET managed to work in nearly every image that does stick out in my memory from that era in his subsequent post.

i belive there WAS a war crimes trial against american action. google it if youd like. so we DONT get off for free.

So you agree that the atrocities committed by our enemies in no way absolves us of our own atrocities. You agree that there were actions taken by Americans that were hideously wrong and not justified by the actions of their enemies.

You America basher.

how many times have you heard about My Lai? how many times have you heard about these incidents? im just pointing out that you always hear about what american soldiers did and never about what the enemy did in that war! im not excusing My Lai. that was horrific, and defenitly up there on the list of "Things America Should be Ashamed Of."

This, sadly, is what comes to my mind:

http://www.tomhanksland.com/Pics/forrest29.jpg

well hes got a point. but liberals always like to outline the bad things american soldiers did. of course the My Lai masssacre was horrible. of course dropping nalpalm on innocent civilians is regrettable. but the NVA committed even more horriffic attrocities. In 1968, the NVA killed thousands of civilians in Hue. The NVA gunned down civilains fleeing from Quang Tri in 1972. and the NVA shelled fleeing cloumns of civilians in 1975. Oh and cant forget when the NVA whipped out flamethrowers and slaughtered Montagnard women and children on several occasions.
heres the source:

http://www.lib.washington.edu/southeastasia/vsg/elist_2001/Massacres.html

so stfu you silly america bashers ans get a life.I know your punk ass isn't addressing me with that 'American Basher' shit...

I hold no illusions like the OP that war is glorious and those who fight it heroic. I wasn't quite old enough to be drafted myself into that conflict but many I know were. I looked at the lottery results in the paper and wondered if I would be called if the conflict dragged on. I lived through nightly casualty reports on TV. My father, the cop, dressed in riot gear to stand opposite protesters in Berkley that included my gradeschool teachers. I remember the rift that conflict created in our society. The images of that time I remember and what I know of that conflict don't come from hollywood movies. I make no apologies for what runs through my head when the words 'Vietnam war' is mentioned. I'm an American and I remember.

did i address you? nope. but so many i know think america is the worst country in the world for things like this, when there are MUCH worse things happening. the holocaust anybody?

did i address you? nope. but so many i know think america is the worst country in the world for things like this, when there are MUCH worse things happening. the holocaust anybody?Why do some people believe that by comparing atrocities you can somehow shrug off the 'lesser' evil?

did i address you? nope. but so many i know think america is the worst country in the world for things like this, when there are MUCH worse things happening. the holocaust anybody?
You can't slither out from under this one. Stop trying to minimize American atrocities by alluding vaguely to things you have even less perspective on, like the Holocaust.

Either that, or try keeping your lips together.

did i address you? nope. but so many i know think america is the worst country in the world for things like this, when there are MUCH worse things happening. the holocaust anybody?
This isn't a thread about Germany or WWII, this is a thread about Vietnam.

The teacher in me feels compelled to say, "We're not talking about what Johnny did, we're talking about YOU."

The teacher in me feels compelled to say, "We're not talking about what Johnny did, we're talking about YOU."
But he started it!

Whenever I think of Nam, it reminds me of the bravery of the troops who fought and died in this (unfair) war.


Also, what always comes to mind is the UH-1 "Huey" helecopter. It was the workhorse of the Vietnam war. and it is still the main helecopter in many militaries today.



um...war, unfair? omfg I've never heard of such an ordeal! War is war, and extremley violent compitition between to nations, religions, classes, or what have you and the winner wins by any means nessesary, there is no such thing as a Fair war, there is absolutley nothing fair about it. the closest you can get to a fair war is a well managed game of chess.

That one 3rd from top was a vietcong spy/assassin who killed a Vietnamese deputie's family...no sympathy for the guy getting shot.

FYI I'd edit you're photos..one shows a naked kid, the other shows the Varmintcong getting blasted. I think you can see the bullet exiting his head. C'mon, don't trash my thread.

Start your own.
Surprising as this may sound to you, DM, Vietnam was not all about the USMC and killing the Vietcong. There was also a civilian side to the cost, and their photos show that.

Yours just show your own feelings towards the Marines and your sadness that US troops died.

Also - were you even alive at the time?

That one 3rd from top was a vietcong spy/assassin who killed a Vietnamese deputie's family...no sympathy for the guy getting shot.

FYI I'd edit you're photos..one shows a naked kid, the other shows the Varmintcong getting blasted. I think you can see the bullet exiting his head. C'mon, don't trash my thread.

Start your own.

You asked for images of the Vietnam war. Thats what they are. If you wanted patriotic stare-into-the-middle-distance flag flapping in the background pics, I'd say you should have specified in the OP.

i belive there WAS a war crimes trial against american action. google it if youd like. so we DONT get off for free.

A war crimes trial that resulted in 2 years of house arrest for one measly lieutenant out of everyone involved, including the people under his command who did the crime. Oh, he also got a presidential pardon to boot. And did you know, he tried the same excuse SS officers did in the Nuremberg trial. "I was just following orders"

And unlike the nazis, the courts gave him a free pass for that.

A slap on the wrist was all he got. Just like every other US war criminal who had the misfortune of being outed in the media.

Get your head out of the clouds. Uncle Sam has got spoiled rotten kids and doesn't care to keep them in line much.

And why should he? When he approves of that rottenness.

Surprising as this may sound to you, DM, Vietnam was not all about the USMC and killing the Vietcong. There was also a civilian side to the cost, and their photos show that.

Yours just show your own feelings towards the Marines and your sadness that US troops died.

Also - were you even alive at the time?



Yeah I feel for American Troops, for real, but WE (USA) WERE THE BAD GUYS in that war, we were. We lost, and we did deserve it. It wasnt the soliders fault, it was the governments. and again, the vietnamese people suffered so extremely horribly during that war and we did next to nothing to try and stop it. Our strategy and tactics were totally flawed and we were outwit by the Cong. WE killed so many civilians it aint even funny. Fuck, when we bombed Cambodia, we sent Arc Light Strikes (massive b-52 raids) randomly all over the Cambodian countryside killing thousands of innocent Cambodians just the US could prove that they were men. Infact one general of the US said something like that, I dont know the exact quote but it had to do with simply showing off their fire power to show their manliness. What the fuck. The NVA and VC soldiers outta be recognized for their heroism as well, they fought and defeated the greatest military power on the planet.

FYI I'd edit you're photos..one shows a naked kid, the other shows the Varmintcong getting blasted.
That's fucking war for you. If you can't take it, don't talk about it.

That's the picture most people think of when they think of the Vietnam war. They don't think about the supposed infallible righteous glory of the US Military.

And God isn't on the side of America's Military.

DM, you are in for a severe shock of you do join the military. you have this rose tinted view of war, and i think 3 days on the side of a mountain in the rain shitting in your own pants might bring home to you the realities of being a soldier.

less playstation more human suffering for you young man.

DM, you are in for a severe shock of you do join the military. you have this rose tinted view of war, and i think 3 days on the side of a mountain in the rain shitting in your own pants might bring home to you the realities of being a soldier.

less playstation more human suffering for you young man.

Have you military experience?

FYI I'd edit you're photos..one shows a naked kid, the other shows the Varmintcong getting blasted.

Hang on, the fact that the kid is naked worries you, but not the fact that she got napalmed so badly that the medical staff thought she would die?

So, no, I won't delete it or edit it or the classic image of the young girl running from the area of My Lai who had ripped off her clothes that had been splattered with naplam.

Trang Bang, not My Lai.

Hang on, the fact that the kid is naked worries you, but not the fact that she got napalmed so badly that the medical staff thought she would die?

comforting, isn't it?

The teacher in me feels compelled to say, "We're not talking about what Johnny did, we're talking about YOU."

"We're not talking about what Charlie did....", shurely?

well most people at my high school dont even know who she is and that is SAD. people need to know what she did.
what did she do?

"We're not talking about what Charlie did....", shurely?
We'd already left Vietnam in terms of random bad things to compaire with US bad things. ;)

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/jtkwon/B-52-dropping_bombs.jpg

comforting, isn't it?
Child porn!!!!111!!! The party van is coming for you!

I don't think remembering the atrocities as being liberal or conservative. I think of remembering them as being truely American. A nation that tries it's best to be morally perfect and fails. But then uses those failures to improve and again aim for a perfection that we know is humanly impossible to reach but we try anyway. A nation that doesn't expect our enemies to be as studious in this area as we are. In fact a nation where (well, at least sometimes) our enemies recognize that stand and honor it.

Look at the nations where they wipe all atrocities and failures from their history. Would you really want to live in such a nation? A nation that makes no effort to do their best or to learn and improve from their failures.

The biggest problem in Nam was the leaders and the military didn't make an effort to understand the culture of the people. They didn't have a clue as to why their enemy was fighting. Aristotle argued 2500 (ok, not exact) years ago that to be a leader one needed to have a vast knowledge of those with which there was a likelyhood of war. Sadly the US has not learned that simple lesson. The biggest weakness of the US is its ego. An ego that assumes all strive to have US beliefs, values, and culture. Then when something happens everyone gets a "deer in the headlights" look and mumbles "why would they want to hurt US?"

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/jtkwon/B-52-dropping_bombs.jpg
When thinking of Vietnam, the image that comes to your mind is an anonymous stock photo of a B-52 dropping bombs?

That's effing sad, Mr. Kwon.

comforting, isn't it?

It's the same mindset them inquisitors way back then had when they decided to burn women at the stake rather than hang them. Reasons of modesty and all that. :rolleyes:

oh yes well the woman in the photo is Jane Fonda. she went to North Vietnam and campaigned for the NVA. She visited a POW camp, and when an American soldier gave her a letter to send home, she turned the guy in! She should have been executed for treason.

I recommend the book "Another Vietnam". Pictures from Vietnamese combat photographers.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0792264657/qid=1151983784/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/104-3515384-7898315?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

oh yes well the woman in the photo is Jane Fonda. she went to North Vietnam and campaigned for the NVA. She visited a POW camp, and when an American soldier gave her a letter to send home, she turned the guy in! She should have been executed for treason.

She campaigned for the NVA: yes.

She turned in a POW: No.

http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

I'm quite surprised that this photo hasn't come up yet.

(or did i miss it?)

http://home.grandecom.net/~sac/burning-monk.jpg

ok sry my bad. never actually checked the POW part. wasnt intentional, and thanks for pointing it out.

ok sry my bad. never actually checked the POW part. wasnt intentional, and thanks for pointing it out.
It's the same knee-jerk sensibilities you flaunt that got people burned at the stake as witches.

Dullard.

she still did some pretty hurtfull things to america, so why dont you simmer down? i apologized!

she still did some pretty hurtfull things to america, so why dont you simmer down? i apologized!
Simmer down? Listen bub, you're new here - trust me, if I'm ever actually steamed at you, well - you'll know about it in no uncertain terms.

I think America was and is big enough to take it on the chin from a film actress. If you're feeling hurt because of something somebody did over thirty years ago, have a kleenex on me, gratis.

Have yourself a good lil' sniffle and then go on out and buy yourself a howitzer. There, there... it'll be okay...

*cries* howtizers always make the pain go away!

Look at the nations where they wipe all atrocities and failures from their history. Would you really want to live in such a nation? A nation that makes no effort to do their best or to learn and improve from their failures.]?"

Well....there is one example that does spring immediately to mind....


she still did some pretty hurtfull things to america,.]?"

Such as...? Massive air strikes? massive assasination programs? not pay her reparations? Do her best to isolate America from the rest of the world in pure spite? Support Pol Pot for similar reasons?

oh yes well the woman in the photo is Jane Fonda. she went to North Vietnam and campaigned for the NVA. She visited a POW camp, and when an American soldier gave her a letter to send home, she turned the guy in! She should have been executed for treason.
Just to keep you honest. Besides getting the circumstances of the story wrong, the fact remains that it did not happen at all.

Carry on.

She campaigned for the NVA: yes.

She turned in a POW: No.

http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp
Kudos to you for setting the record straight. ;)

Whenever I think of Nam, it reminds me of the bravery of the troops who fought and died in this (unfair) war.

And how they were insulted and mocked at home and hated by the Locals who they thought they were going to war for. And trying to defend the corrupt South Vietnam government.


Also, what always comes to mind is the UH-1 "Huey" helecopter. It was the workhorse of the Vietnam war. and it is still the main helecopter in many militaries today.

Interesting the makers of the Huey, President Johnson was supposedly a co-owner. Yep he wanted to have troops in Vietnam for no other reason that to save them. No war profittering whatsoever right? (Just to note I got this info from an actual soldier's research after he came back from Vietnam.)

well hes got a point. but liberals always like to outline the bad things american soldiers did. of course the My Lai masssacre was horrible. of course dropping nalpalm on innocent civilians is regrettable. but the NVA committed even more horriffic attrocities. In 1968, the NVA killed thousands of civilians in Hue. The NVA gunned down civilains fleeing from Quang Tri in 1972. and the NVA shelled fleeing cloumns of civilians in 1975. Oh and cant forget when the NVA whipped out flamethrowers and slaughtered Montagnard women and children on several occasions.
heres the source:

http://www.lib.washington.edu/southeastasia/vsg/elist_2001/Massacres.html

so stfu you silly america bashers ans get a life.


Jeez, man, next you'll be saying that 'Mog was a success...

Can someone please explain to me why these topics always ends up as a flame-fest between those who can see no fault in the (American) system, and those who question it?

Jeez, man, next you'll be saying that 'Mog was a success...

Can someone please explain to me why these topics always ends up as a flame-fest between those who can see no fault in the (American) system, and those who question it?

It's a usual defense by nationalists (These guys aren't patriots by any stretch). By painting a side that is worse than yours, they get to keep the supposed moral high ground.

For some reason, whenever someone mentions the Vietnam war these images pop into my head.
So many pictures pop into my head when anyone mentions Vietnam that I usually don't say anything.

Rest in peace, Pete (http://www.virtualwall.org/db/BorsayPS01a.htm), and know that you are still loved and missed.