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Bias

Adriatica III
01-07-2006, 12:51
People on this forum really have to stop screeming the word "bias" around so often when it really isn't aporpriate. Bias is something that is far more complicated than most people on here seem to think. This has come across particually from several members of the more irrational posters of the anti-Israel persuasion with regard to the supposed shelling incidenct of a Palestianin family.

But to take this away from that specific instance, what many people on here are essentially calling bias is

"It is written by people of X belonging/persauasion therefore it is biased towards X"

That isnt bias. What that is, is basic analysis of providence of a source. To show bias what you have to show is mis-representation of facts. If it comes from X source saying that X is good, unless they are misrepresenting facts then there is no bias there that you can complain about. In order to prove bias exists, what you have to do is to look at the content of the source and show just how it misrepresnts facts in favour of itself or its friends. For example, the statement

"The shelling incident of a Palestianin family could not have been an Israelie battleship because the evidence indicates the shell was of 150 mm calibur when Isralie battleships only carry 30 mm calibur shells"

Is only a biased statement if the fact in it are misrepresented. If they arnt, it doesnt matter if it comes from an Israelie source or a Palestianin source or an American source or a Luxomburgian source. It comes to the same conclusion.

Bias you have to prove by going through the following stages

1. Examine the providence, thus determining where any bias would be likly to favour
2. Examine the content for objective information (IE facts, not opinions) that could be misrepresented
3. Look for evidence that the infomation is being misrepresented in favour of someone else
4. Look for argumenets that are constructed one way when they could be formed another way which would result in a very diffrent outcome
Straughn
01-07-2006, 12:57
Blackkettlepotkettleblackkettlepot ...
Just thought i'd help you articulate your thoughts.
IIRC, the last two times you brought this issue up, it didn't go quite so well.
Perhaps you're a slow learner, perhaps you're perpetually optimistic, perhaps you were never listening, perhaps EVEN it's the most fun thing to argue about.
Well, have fun.
Adriatica III
01-07-2006, 12:59
Well you would agree with me, bias is not

"X wrote it, it is therfore biased in favour of X"

Bias only matters if the favouring is of a manipulative nature (IE lies/misrepresntation)
Straughn
01-07-2006, 13:03
Well you would agree with me, bias is not

"X wrote it, it is therfore biased in favour of X"

Bias only matters if the favouring is of a manipulative nature (IE lies/misrepresntation)
I agree that a person can't solely qualify bias as being a statement of that nature, but i will say that bias is qualified by a personal historical respect.
And i don't see where else bias even happens, in that particular respect of the term.
Could be that i need to sleep more, though. It's 4am here, gotta work in 5.
The Aeson
01-07-2006, 13:04
Clearly your biased against these people your accusing of being overzealous about denouncing bias.

After all, this whole thread is just your biased opinion on the whole matter.
Mstreeted
01-07-2006, 13:15
biĀ·as ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bs)
n.
A line going diagonally across the grain of fabric: Cut the cloth on the bias.

A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment.

An unfair act or policy stemming from prejudice.

A statistical sampling or testing error caused by systematically favoring some outcomes over others.

A weight or irregularity in a ball that causes it to swerve, as in lawn bowling.
The tendency of such a ball to swerve. <- ya learn something new every day
Tactical Grace
01-07-2006, 13:35
I have seen accusations of "bias" made against all sorts of news sources, when most of the time they are simply reproducing verbatim a newswire submission, or even an article published by another news outlet.

How can bias creep in if you take someone else's work and append your own letterhead?

People rarely follow up the information, they just look at the bit in front of .com and assume that implies complete ownership.
Adriatica III
06-07-2006, 01:16
A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment.


Untill you can prove the judgements flaw in the content of said judgement, bias is no more than a viewpoint. You can't compalin about a viewpoint untill it has inacurately portrayed something to its own advantage