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Has Noah's Ark Been Found? (http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/has-noahs-ark-been-found/20060629173309990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001)



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What do you think? I think this is a load of bunk and that most likely either nothing or a boat somebody crashed 80 years ago.



*Poll Coming*

finding a boat that never existed would be...well...impossible...

I don't even know the story of Noah and that ark sooooo....I wouldn't know if it was fiction or not.

finding a boat that never existed would be...well...impossible...
^My sentiments exactly.

dude, the bible is a lie. its not noahs ark there never was a noah's ark.

Two things of note:

1. In the poll beneath the slide show, 69% believed the story of Noah's Ark to be true. That is absolutely amazing to me.

2. That group that found the "ark" did not include a single archaeologist or geologist.

Ignoring the Religion vs. Atheism

I am not convinced by the photos provided.

It's left to interpretation.

It appears the wood has turned to stone? Takes a little longer then the age of the Ark to do that....

"I can't imagine what it could be if it is not the Ark," said Arch Bonnema of the Bible Archaeology Search and Exploration (B.A.S.E) Institute, a Christian archeology organization dedicated to looking for biblical artifacts.And with this opening statement, credibility has left the building...

In other news, I heard sounds comming from the wall the other night. I can't imagine what it could be, other than a ghost!! - I mean, it couldn't possibly be my neighbour, for example.

Methinks these BASE peeps are missing a -less at the end of their name.

Hrm. Those photos don't look much like a boat.

Hrm. Those photos don't look much like a boat.

I think they are implying it's buried.

If that's the case, how could they tell the size.....

I'd love to see if it REALLY IS noahs ark. If it is I'll probably go streaking down my quiet rural neighborhood.....

Screaming "W00T! THEY FOUND NOAH'S RIDE DAWG! HOMIE! SPREAD DA WURD! IT GOTS DA BEAMZ AND SPINNAHS!"

That's not Noah's boat. It belonged to Utnapishtim.

I think they are implying it's buried.

If that's the case, how could they tell the size.....

Sonar or radar most likely.

It appears the wood has turned to stone? Takes a little longer then the age of the Ark to do that....

Actually, I believe there is evidence that it can take place over a matter of centuries.

However, for wood to petrify, it must be submerged in mineral rich water and eventually be buried in sediment. How that can happen in the literal Noah's Ark myth is beyond me.

I think they are implying it's buried.

If that's the case, how could they tell the size.....

Well, 300 cubits, right?

Ignoring the Religion vs. Atheism

I am not convinced by the photos provided.

It's left to interpretation.

It appears the wood has turned to stone? Takes a little longer then the age of the Ark to do that....
I'm not convinced by anything in the article...and this has nothing to do with a atheist point of view...I'm not even convinced they found a boat. All the pictures, or even description, reveal is a large wall of wood. This could be a deck of a boat, a wall, a deck from a palace or temple, or just about anything else.

Well, 300 cubits, right?

300 cubits they said was like a small aircraft carrier....so did noah have VTOL aircraft, or helos? Or was he still using pigeons?

:p

It appears the wood has turned to stone? Takes a little longer then the age of the Ark to do that....
Well it happened several hundred years after the earth was created IIRC. So it's entirly possible. I personally doubt it, but ya never know. (Don't bring in carbon dating, nothing can verify the age of carbon dated things over several thousand years except *gasp* carbon dating.)

300 cubits they said was like a small aircraft carrier....so did noah have VTOL aircraft, or helos? Or was he still using pigeons?

:p

It's 450 feet. Which is larger than any wooden boat that could ever be built [you bump into horrible, horrible structural problems some time before that]. Also, a 450ft boat full of animals ventilated with a single 18 inch window would get kinda stuffy, I'd think.

It's 450 feet. Which is larger than any wooden boat that could ever be built [you bump into horrible, horrible structural problems some time before that].There's a trick to it. God uses it to hold together the universe & I use it to hold God together. It's called duct tape.

Don't tell anyone ;)

It's 450 feet. Which is larger than any wooden boat that could ever be built [you bump into horrible, horrible structural problems some time before that]. Also, a 450ft boat full of animals ventilated with a single 18 inch window would get kinda stuffy, I'd think.
And then he said "Let there be glue." and it was good. :p

Whatever the hell they found it is interesting.

Triply so if it turns out to be a boat.

On top of a mountain.

It's a big rock. You'll find the world has quite a few of those already.

It's a big rock. You'll find the world has quite a few of those already.



Thats what I thought.

Bonnema and the other B.A.S.E. Institute members hiked for seven hours in the mountains northwest of Tehran, climbing 13,000 feet before making the apparent discovery.

The most obvious question relating to this story is why a bunch of Texan 'Christian Archaelogists' were hiking on a mountain in Iran in the first place. Looking for large rocks that look a bit like wood, I guess.

It's a big rock. You'll find the world has quite a few of those already.

Yes but how many huge wooden rocks are there?

The most obvious question relating to this story is why a bunch of Texan 'Christian Archaelogists' were hiking on a mountain in Iran in the first place. Looking for large rocks that look a bit like wood, I guess.

Some soldier from WWII told them about it apparantly.

Yes but how many huge wooden rocks are there?

None, because that's rock, not wood. The best you can say is it looks a tiny bit like wood grain, but even then only like a cloud can look a bit like a dog or a spaceship.

It's 450 feet. Which is larger than any wooden boat that could ever be built [you bump into horrible, horrible structural problems some time before that]. Also, a 450ft boat full of animals ventilated with a single 18 inch window would get kinda stuffy, I'd think.
not to mention, I doubt you could even fit all of the species of insects in the world on such a boat, let alone all animals, plus their food. Somehow, I don't picture Siafu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_ant) getting along too well with...well...anything.

Is it a boat or not? well if it is, it's gonna be a few centuries before people agree that is Noah's or not.

IMO - the bible was a guideline for people on how to live a good healthy life...the book contained a lot of symbolism until a while go some scribe took the symbolism too literally.

Noah's ark does not originate from Christianity, but the story is probably spose to symbolise something like how you can always start on a new page...

then again i could be completely wrong.:)

None, because that's rock, not wood. The best you can say is it looks a tiny bit like wood grain, but even then only like a cloud can look a bit like a dog or a spaceship.

I suppose so unless you count petrified forests and what-have-you

http://www.dia-faszination-natur.de/images/petrified-forest-giant-log.jpg

I suppose so unless you count petrified forests and what-have-you

http://www.dia-faszination-natur.de/images/petrified-forest-giant-log.jpg
well, yes, there is petrified wood..however, the picture of the sample they posted doesn't particularly look like petrified wood. Not to say it can't be, as the picture isn't great, but I personally don't think it is.

not to mention, I doubt you could even fit all of the species of insects in the world on such a boat, let alone all animals, plus their food. Somehow, I don't picture Siafu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_ant) getting along too well with...well...anything.

Don't forget the various parasites Noah would have to be infested with to keep them alive. Somehow I don't think he'd be very seaworthy after deliberately getting charming stuff like tapeworms and Malaria.

I suppose so unless you count petrified forests and what-have-you

Which proves this is actual wood, let alone the ark, how, exactly? That's like saying real dogs exist, so a cloud that looks a bit like a dog must be a dog!

What do you think? I think this is a load of bunk and that most likely either nothing or a boat somebody crashed 80 years ago.


So that's what happened to my best fishing boat. Damn.

So that's what happened to my best fishing boat. Damn.Damn.. I was just about to bring up the starship Titanic.

Don't forget the various parasites Noah would have to be infested with to keep them alive. Somehow I don't think he'd be very seaworthy after deliberately getting charming stuff like tapeworms and Malaria.



Which proves this is actual wood, let alone the ark, how, exactly? That's like saying real dogs exist, so a cloud that looks a bit like a dog must be a dog!
throw in a tsi-tsi fly, a couple dozen species of tape worms, and a candiru (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candiru) or two for taste, and I say its a good ol' time

throw in a tsi-tsi fly, a couple dozen species of tape worms, and a candiru (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candiru) or two for taste, and I say its a good ol' time

Take me down to the Parasite City where the mucus is green and the worms are pretty...

Which proves this is actual wood, let alone the ark, how, exactly? That's like saying real dogs exist, so a cloud that looks a bit like a dog must be a dog!

I never alleged it was the ark. I said it was interesting.
If it isnt even that why post?

The boat won't be there as boats over 2000 years old would eventually rot away unless they get preserved. Being in the open and exposed to elements it is not one of these conditions.

So you look for an impression of a a boat, but rocks can look like anything.

Take me down to the Parasite City where the mucus is green and the worms are pretty...
haha..yes.

I've also wondered...what of plants? If the world flooded for that length of time, all plants would die. Any seeds would rot. How was the plant life reestablished?

Take me down to the Parasite City where the mucus is green and the worms are pretty...Parasite privy more likely.

And.. Ouch! I'm never swimming anywhere near candiru's. What an evil little thing.

haha..yes.

I've also wondered...what of plants? If the world flooded for that length of time, all plants would die. Any seeds would rot. How was the plant life reestablished?

Well the seed-bearing plants could be re-established eventually if the folks on Noah's Ark were carrying seeds with them. The plants that are not seed-bearing are a bit of a pickle, though.

Parasite privy more likely.

And.. Ouch! I'm never swimming anywhere near candiru's. What an evil little thing.
what frightens me more is that within about 2 minutes, I came up with atleast a dozen evil little things. Candiru was just one of a bunch of nasty things I almost put in there, but resisted. Now what worries me is why I know this many annoying parasites, and moreover, what I'll do with that knowledge :eek:

Well the seed-bearing plants could be re-established eventually if the folks on Noah's Ark were carrying seeds with them. The plants that are not seed-bearing are a bit of a pickle, though.
some of those are quite large seeds...which increases the storage space needed. And, as you stated, leaves the question of seedless plants like bananas

Now what worries me is why I know this many annoying parasites, and moreover, what I'll do with that knowledge :eek:My sympathies. It must be terrible knowing all sorts of nasty little critters. How do one ever convince oneself to go outside into a world full of evil little painful things?

some of those are quite large seeds...which increases the storage space needed. And, as you stated, leaves the question of seedless plants like bananas

Yes. It's funny how a myth/allegory doesn't take these things into account, no?

Sonar or radar most likely.

Radar? The mountain is solid, no?

not to mention, I doubt you could even fit all of the species of insects in the world on such a boat, let alone all animals, plus their food. Somehow, I don't picture Siafu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_ant) getting along too well with...well...anything.
If they had Leiningen on board they could...







...no way anyone's getting that reference...

...no way anyone's getting that reference...You could be right.

haha..yes.

I've also wondered...what of plants? If the world flooded for that length of time, all plants would die. Any seeds would rot. How was the plant life reestablished?

And how were there any 'clean' animals in the world after Noah killed them as an offering to God in Genesis 8:20?

My sympathies. It must be terrible knowing all sorts of nasty little critters. How do one ever convince oneself to go outside into a world full of evil little painful things?
haha...by living in Connecticut...far away from saifu, bulldog ants, candiru, tape worms (okay, not far away from these guys, and I eat sushi, so I'm actually at decent risk for them...but anyway), and trypanosomes.

300 cubits they said was like a small aircraft carrier....so did noah have VTOL aircraft, or helos? Or was he still using pigeons?

:p
Doves, I believe it was doves.

Why am I not suprised that you didn't remember the symbol of peace that stems from this story?

what frightens me more is that within about 2 minutes, I came up with atleast a dozen evil little things. Candiru was just one of a bunch of nasty things I almost put in there, but resisted. Now what worries me is why I know this many annoying parasites, and moreover, what I'll do with that knowledge :eek:

Careful, the NSA monitors NSG!

If they had Leiningen on board they could...

They'd be a little short of napalm and dams, no? Anyway, Leiningen got his shit left in ruins by them ants.

If you're wondering, it came up for me in a debate about military tactics and 'many small things always beat one big thing.' I asked if the person I was debating would think a single US Marine with a flamethrower could be defeated by a colony of army ants, and he came back with that as a rebuttal.

No, seriously.

You could be right.
I just did a google and it's a little more well known than I thought, there might be a few who actually know that story fairly well.

If they had Leiningen on board they could...







...no way anyone's getting that reference...

I could very well be making this up...but leiningen wouldn't be from a short story, would it?

They'd be a little short of napalm and dams, no? Anyway, Leiningen got his shit left in ruins by them ants.

If you're wondering, it came up for me in a debate about military tactics and 'many small things always beat one big thing.' I asked if the person I was debating would think a single US Marine with a flamethrower could be defeated by a colony of army ants, and he came back with that as a rebuttal.

No, seriously.
Case in point.

Though I don't think it was napalm, I think he just lit gas on fire. At least in the radio play version. I've never seen Naked Jungle (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047264/).

I could very well be making this up...but leiningen wouldn't be from a short story, would it?

A Conrad, I believe.

I could very well be making this up...but leiningen wouldn't be from a short story, would it?
Yep, a popular one apparently. I was up my own ass to think no one had heard of it, it seems. Serves me right. I've only heard the Escape radio play.

Yep, a popular one apparently. I was up my own ass to think no one had heard of it, it seems. Serves me right. I've only heard the Escape radio play.
haha...the only reason I remember it is because the author has the same name as the guy who cowrote Loser by Beck...beyond that, it just kinda blended into the other few dozen short stories I had to read that semester

haha...the only reason I remember it is because the author has the same name as the guy who cowrote Loser by Beck...beyond that, it just kinda blended into the other few dozen short stories I had to read that semester
Ah hell, it's required reading for some people? Man, I'm an ass...

Ah hell, it's required reading for some people? Man, I'm an ass...
haha...well, not really. It was required for the class because my professor wanted to open the semester with something "obscure, different, and a little bit fun" (yes, that is what it said in the syllabus)...so if you're an ass, so was he. And he was one of my favorite profs so far.

so :fluffle:

Has anyone considered that there might be a grain of truth to the actual story and the writer of Genesis just retconned it into a story about the power of God because people were already familiar with it?

Heck, we Christians took some Pagan holiday and turned it into Christmas even though all evidence points to Jesus being born sometime in the spring. It wouldn't be the first time, nor the last time, that the bible tied historical events into its teachings.

I don't know how they'd go about proving whether or not it's true, but the fact that something in the bible does not make it untrue: it merely means that you have to take it with a grain of salt.

haha..yes.

I've also wondered...what of plants? If the world flooded for that length of time, all plants would die. Any seeds would rot. How was the plant life reestablished?

It's clear then. Noah was an abomination in the eyes of most Christians. He was a geneticist. He took DNA strands of all the critters and cloned them after surviving. The only question is what he used for a nutrient bath.

:p

Has anyone considered that there might be a grain of truth to the actual story and the writer of Genesis just retconned it into a story about the power of God because people were already familiar with it?

Yeah, it's fairly silly to suggest there wasn't once a guy who built a boat, everyone thought he was nuts but then a flood killed them, or at least a fable along the same lines. Chinese whispers changes this from 'town' to 'entire world, covered all mountains, etc etc' and makes the boat 450 feet long because the boat he actually built wasn't phallic enough, and there's your story.

Has anyone considered that there might be a grain of truth to the actual story and the writer of Genesis just retconned it into a story about the power of God because people were already familiar with it?The flood story from the bible is most closely related to the story of Gilgamesh from Sumeria. That doesn't make either story true nor verifiable. A flood of the entire world is simply impossible. What most likely happened was Gilgamesh was on the Euphrates when it flooded, and he was swept out into the sea.

Heck, we Christians took some Pagan holiday and turned it into Christmas even though all evidence points to Jesus being born sometime in the spring. It wouldn't be the first time, nor the last time, that the bible tied historical events into its teachings.moving a holiday has nothing to do with the bible. There is no passage that proclaims Christmas or Easter as a holiday that should be observed. iirc, the only holidays specifically mentioned in the bible are the Sabbath, Pesach, Rosh Hashana, and Yom Kippur. Edit: And sukkot...I knew I forgot one...

I don't know how they'd go about proving whether or not it's true, but the fact that something in the bible does not make it untrue: it merely means that you have to take it with a grain of salt.Most OT stories are safe to claim untrue. Just as I would not take Beowulf or Sir Gawain or the Odyssey as fact, I'm not going to take the Bible as fact. They are stories from an oral culture to teach lessons and entertain. Nothing more, nothing less.

every culture has a great flood story.

Um, that's in no way, shape or form true. Some don't at all, and of those that do, most don't mention boats being built, and the 'greatness' of the flood is usually significantly less than 'the entire world.' There's hardly any of the agreement on details we'd expect to see if all the stories described the same event.

Um, that's in no way, shape or form true. Some don't at all, and of those that do, most don't mention boats being built, and the 'greatness' of the flood is usually significantly less than 'the entire world.' There's hardly any of the agreement on details we'd expect to see if all the stories described the same event.
hmm...I was under the impression that it was somewhat of a cultural universal...my mistake. I knew that most didn't claim a "world flood" or destruction on the level of Gilgamesh or the Bible, but I thought most had atleast some form of a "great flood" myth. Thanks for the correction, I'll go back and fix that.

Has anyone considered that there might be a grain of truth to the actual story and the writer of Genesis just retconned it into a story about the power of God because people were already familiar with it?

Heck, we Christians took some Pagan holiday and turned it into Christmas even though all evidence points to Jesus being born sometime in the spring. It wouldn't be the first time, nor the last time, that the bible tied historical events into its teachings.

I don't know how they'd go about proving whether or not it's true, but the fact that something in the bible does not make it untrue: it merely means that you have to take it with a grain of salt.

It's flip-floppy bullshit like this that makes America so divided today. The bible is the word of God and is absolutely true. Mixing in pagan historical babble just distracts people from the truth.

It's common because the cultures that have such stories are the ones that happen to be located near places that flood; being as these places also tend to have water and fertile ground available, it's hardly surprising that most cultures have such a myth. It's not entirely universal, though, since people will go living in really stupid places.

It's flip-floppy bullshit like this that makes America so divided today. The bible is the word of God and is absolutely true. Mixing in pagan historical babble just distracts people from the truth.And I, your LORD GOD, look forward to recieving your first born son.

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It's common because the cultures that have such stories are the ones that happen to be located near places that flood; being as these places also tend to have water and fertile ground available, it's hardly surprising that most cultures have such a myth. It's not entirely universal, though, since people will go living in really stupid places.
ahh...true. my bad. Thats what I get for still being up at 4 AM.

every culture has a great flood story. The one from the bible is most closely related to the story of Gilgamesh from Sumeria. That doesn't make either story true nor verifiable. A flood of the entire world is simply impossible. What most likely happened was Gilgamesh was on the Euphrates when it flooded, and he was swept out into the sea.
I didn't claim the story was true. I asked if anyone had considered it. Personally, I find it highly unlikely, but if a reputable source dates this vessel at the right time, finds that it matches the specifications etc. I'm not going to put my hands over my ears and yell "la la la la la" until it goes away. I'm not going to believe the whole story to be true either, but it will definitely pique my curiosity.

moving a holiday has nothing to do with the bible. There is no passage that proclaims Christmas or Easter as a holiday that should be observed. iirc, the only holidays specifically mentioned in the bible are the Sabbath, Pesach, Rosh Hashana, and Yom Kippur.
You skipped Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles), but that's not really the point. My point is that occasionally the bible's stories have bits of truth in them, not necessarily because the bible is even remotely close to a historical document, but because it was easier to retell stories with which people were familiar. I read somewhere that a meteorite destroyed two ancient towns which might have been Soddom and Gomorrah, but that doesn't mean that I believe Lot's wife actually turned to a pillar of salt. I just find these occasional crossovers between the bible and the historical record kind of interesting.

Most OT stories are safe to claim untrue. Just as I would not take Beowulf or Sir Gawain or the Odyssey as fact, I'm not going to take the Bible as fact. They are stories from an oral culture to teach lessons and entertain. Nothing more, nothing less.
I agree, but like I said, if it becomes clear at some point that this is a big forking boat from the approximate time of Noah, it would be just as irresponsible for me to claim it to be a fabrication to deceive the public as it is for fundamentalists to claim the fossil record showing evolution to be a fabrication to deceive the public.

ahh...true. my bad. Thats what I get for still being up at 4 AM.
Crazy time traveler from the futuristic world of a few hours from now...

It's flip-floppy bullshit like this that makes America so divided today. The bible is the word of God and is absolutely true. Mixing in pagan historical babble just distracts people from the truth.
so you are circumcized? And observe all 613 mitzvah? And the kosher laws? And you celebrate Rosh Hashana, Yom Kippur, Sukkot, the Sabbath, and Pesach? You know, all that "bible" stuff?

It's flip-floppy bullshit like this that makes America so divided today. The bible is the word of God and is absolutely true. Mixing in pagan historical babble just distracts people from the truth.
One of these when I have a child I should bring him to your town. I'll take him out to the walls and proclaim: "My son is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey me. He is a profligate and a drunkard." Then we can all stone him to death just like Deuteronomy 21 says we can.

The bible is the word of God and is absolutely true

Um...Even when it says things like that the Earth is a flat structure that you can see all of from the top of a high mountain, is set firmly on pillars and does not move?

And even though it contains a known copying error? Check yourself: 2 Chronicles 36:22-23 is Ezra 1:1-3 with a cutoff in the middle of a sentence.

The Bible can't be entirely the word of an error-free God and still contain errors, and it can't be literally, absolutely true unless everything we know about the world is wrong.

That was certainly a one-two-three punch from all of us.

I didn't claim the story was true. I asked if anyone had considered it. Personally, I find it highly unlikely, but if a reputable source dates this vessel at the right time, finds that it matches the specifications etc. I'm not going to put my hands over my ears and yell "la la la la la" until it goes away. I'm not going to believe the whole story to be true either, but it will definitely pique my curiosity.but what is the "right time"? We're basing time off a book that claims the world is 5766 years old...I don't find that to be accurate at all, and so all time frames are inaccurate if based off that...
I also find that the sizes specified in the bible could not carry all animal life.


You skipped Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles), but that's not really the point. My point is that occasionally the bible's stories have bits of truth in them, not necessarily because the bible is even remotely close to a historical document, but because it was easier to retell stories with which people were familiar. I read somewhere that a meteorite destroyed two ancient towns which might have been Soddom and Gomorrah, but that doesn't mean that I believe Lot's wife actually turned to a pillar of salt. I just find these occasional crossover between the bible and the historical record kind of interesting.Knew I forgot one. As I said, its 4 AM. Thanks
And I agree that they are interesting...but again, its when people take that to be proof of the Word Of The Bible, I get irritated. Part of the story being true doesn't ever equal the whole story being true.


I agree, but like I said, if it becomes clear at some point that this is a big forking boat from the approximate time of Noah, it would be just as irresponsible for me to claim it to be a fabrication to deceive the public as it is for fundamentalists to claim the fossil record showing evolution to be a fabrication to deceive the public.well, considering, as mentioned in this thread, the boat would be impossible to build, there isn't enough water to flood the earth, there wouldn't be enough room for all the animals, and the timeframe is...well...wrong...that makes it fairly convincing that Noahs ark wont be found since it didn't exist. Atleast not in the form of what the bible states

so you are circumcized? And observe all 613 mitzvah? And the kosher laws? And you celebrate Rosh Hashana, Yom Kippur, Sukkot, the Sabbath, and Pesach? You know, all that "bible" stuff?
I'm not really DesignatedMarksman! I'm a puppet!
You know the issue of intellectual arrogance? You will find, Sarkhaan, from time to time you know more about some things, and I know more about other things. But in the process, don't be arrogant. :mad:

Crazy time traveler from the futuristic world of a few hours from now...
ugh...and I have a wedding to be at at 9 AM...WHY AM I AWAKE?!

I swear I've seen these "We've found Noah's ship"-type-articles before. Just because someone finds the remains of a ship does not mean that that ship belonged to some character out of a biblical legend. Plus I agree with those that posted before me, it doesn't really look like a ship and even if it was, I honestly can't see how a man and his wife could fit two of every species on board.
Would have been hell traveling with all those types of termites.

ugh...and I have a wedding to be at at 9 AM...WHY AM I AWAKE?!
I have an early call myself, but its not until Sunday, but still I have to right my sleep schedule. But am I? No, no I'm not.

I'm not really DesignatedMarksman! I'm a puppet!
You know the issue of intellectual arrogance? You will find, Sarkhaan, from time to time you know more about some things, and I know more about other things. But in the process, don't be arrogant. :mad:
It isn't arrogance. Yes, you may know more about me in any given topic. And when I post something wrong or easily disproven (as I did in this thread with GMC), I accept that I will be corrected or debunked. It was calling you on what I already suspected: you were making a claim that could not be supported by your knowledge. I'm not a biblical scholar, but I do know a good ammout. Had I posted that against someone who WAS a biblical scholar, they would have gladly have spanked me.

And yes, I already knew you wern't DM...the different name kinda gave that away.

ugh...and I have a wedding to be at at 9 AM...WHY AM I AWAKE?!
Because my sexy ass is here.

I have an early call myself, but its not until Sunday, but still I have to right my sleep schedule. But am I? No, no I'm not.
I was actually waiting on a phone call...which never came. And just got a text saying "I'm sorry. I'll try to make it up to you. I'm going to sleep". ROAR.

haha...okay. 4:30. I go to sleep.

*snip*
And in this case I agree with you 100%. I was, however, a little amazed at how quickly some people were willing to state with such full confidence that it was a hoax. I didn't know that the boat was impossible to build until partway through this thread, and I doubt they did either, yet they were content to dismiss the whole thing anyway.

I find it alarming that organized religion has caused so many problems for some people that they begin to believe that everything with religious undertones is a lie designed to undermine our freedoms.

I'm not really DesignatedMarksman! I'm a puppet!

Yeah, and, um, puppets-to-impersonate is 'illegal' on our forum. So one less puppet for you.

Yeah, and, um, puppets-to-impersonate is 'illegal' on our forum. So one less puppet for you.
I was literally just thinking "How stupid is it to pull that in a thread a mod is participating in" and then I read this...

The bible is the word of God and is absolutely true.

Sorry, out of interest, do you still follow all those things in Leviticus? Do you still offer animals in church to God? Last time I was in church I didn't see people sprinkling chicken blood against the alter. Also, are people with people with glasses not allowed to approach the alter? I've got a few more questions but I feel I've already asked enough.

And in this case I agree with you 100%. I was, however, a little amazed at how quickly some people were willing to state with such full confidence that it was a hoax. I didn't know that the boat was impossible to build until partway through this thread, and I doubt they did either, yet they were content to dismiss the whole thing anyway.

I find it alarming that organized religion has caused so many problems for some people that they begin to believe that everything with religious undertones is a lie designed to undermine our freedoms.
I'll have to appologise if I come off as a bit snippy right now. I'm a little bitter. Hopefully it isn't coming through too much.

The reason why I am so quick to say "no, it isn't true" is because I've seen a good number of these threads and/or had this discussion, and so have seen the evidence that will eventually be posted.

Personally, I find the bible to be a good set of stories...it comes with being an English major and having to read it one too many times. But I don't take it as fact.

i disagree... shipbuilders say to build a boat that size.. it has to be the dimensions given in the Bible. Well, they built a boat to those dimensions.. and it floated.

As far as petrification.... if the environment is right (silicon,pressure,water).... then the wood can petrify much quicker than believed.


I dont think the article is very convincing though... but I do beleive there is an ark.

Is this the same site that a U2 supposedly took pics of in the 80's?

I'll have to appologise if I come off as a bit snippy right now. I'm a little bitter. Hopefully it isn't coming through too much.

The reason why I am so quick to say "no, it isn't true" is because I've seen a good number of these threads and/or had this discussion, and so have seen the evidence that will eventually be posted.

Personally, I find the bible to be a good set of stories...it comes with being an English major and having to read it one too many times. But I don't take it as fact.
Frankly, I'm a little worried about those who do. I mean, God's a bit of a jerk in Exodus, and I'm not quite sure how exactly I am supposed to believe both the genealogy given in Matthew and the very different one given in Luke without breaking my brain.

You didn't come across as snippy at all, and I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my thoughts on the issue.

i disagree... shipbuilders say to build a boat that size.. it has to be the dimensions given in the Bible. Well, they built a boat to those dimensions.. and it floated.

No, nobody's ever built a boat that's 450ft long, with a beam of 75ft and is 45ft high using only wood as a construction material and tar seals to hold the hull together, let alone tried to ventilate such a massive structure with a single window 18 inches square. The largest wooden-hulled ships ever built may have been as large as 400ft, but these monsters, Chinese treasure galleons, used iron nails to hold their timbers together, diagonal iron braces, and iron hoops to hold their keels together. Even then, they leaked so badly as to require near-constant work with mechanical pumps to stop them sinking. As written, the Ark would be totally unseaworthy and would snap like a dry twig when it hit a wave.

More to the point, floating is not nearly enough. It must float fully loaded on a rough sea while being battered by storms constantly for 40 days. It's totally impossible to do unless 'gopher wood' happens to be as strong as structural steel.

"Don't want no 'short-short' answer ..."
but, no.

"Don't want no 'short-short' answer ..."
but, no.

Should I feel bad about getting the reference?