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Can someone please explain to me what the big deal about Scientology is? It sounds to me like a few trekkie hippie nutcases who had too much tequila last night and are on crack.

Well, for one it has a massive intelligence network that spys on its enemies and condones using any means necessary to eliminate them. It's also virulently against free speech and uses the courts to shut down its enemies and, even better, they have no qualms about slandering former members and threatening them with violence. There are reasons why many countries classify it as a cult and even go so far as to label it a totalitarian organization...

Don't forget the people they outright murdered. Lisa McPherson's the most famous one but there were others.

As a Trekkie I would like to speak on behalf of all my Trekkie brethren that we totally oppose the psychotic scam that is the "Church" of Scientology. I encourage everyone who wants to learn just how WHACKED OUT Scientology is to check out the Wikipedia article.

As a Trekkie I would like to speak on behalf of all my Trekkie brethren that we totally oppose the psychotic scam that is the "Church" of Scientology. I encourage everyone who wants to learn just how WHACKED OUT Scientology is to check out the Wikipedia article.

Scientology is an insult to all science fiction...I don't think any fan of any kind of science fiction condones the CoS. I'm with you on this one.

Scientology is an insult to all science fiction...I don't think any fan of any kind of science fiction condones the CoS. I'm with you on this one.

I know I don't. I agree with you Vetalia.

I guess you could go watch the YTMND site concerning it. (http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/)

Indeed. And
http://codebot.org/articles/?doc=9471

Which until recently was facing deep **** from the Scientogloists for posting the above article.
As explained in the YTMND sequal: http://theunfunnysequel.ytmnd.com/

They're just a bit koo koo! :)

Have any of you read any of L. Ron Hubbard's books? Have any of you ever set foot inside one of their churches? Ever attended a single seminar?

Or, rather, are you taking the word of someone who knows someone who heard from someone else and the media?

Please bear in mind that even the Bible states, "Judge not lest ye be judged."

The ONLY way for one to make a truly informed decision, or voice a qualified opinion about ANY subject, is to have researched it before hand, and not rely on hearsay and rumor.

Think about your own chosen path in life. Go ahead, take a minute. I'll wait...

Now, what if someone who has no first hand knowledge about it started spouting a bunch of negative generalities about it - no specifics, and all a load of hooey? How would you feel about that person?

Realize this: when it got its first real start, the Romans considered Christianity to be a cult. Hrm. One of the world's largest religions (a major chunk of it based in Rome) a cult. Imagine that.

Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary:
(From the Late Latin for 'cultivate') "1. formal religious veneration - worship 2. a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also: its body and adherents 3. a system for the cure of disease based on dogma [belief system] set forth by its promulgator [founder] 4. great and especially faddish devotion; also: its object or adherents"

And just to clarify: "Fad - a practice or interest followed for a time with exagerated zeal: craze syn. see Fashion"

Now, based on that, how can Christianity be classified as a cult? Somehow, during the 1990's, 90% of people pulled in to 'Deprogramming Centers' to get them out of their "cult" of choice were, in fact, Christians. Not Budhists, Muslims, Jews, Islams, Moonies, Hari Krishnas, or even Scientologists. Christians.

Thank you for your time. I hope this has been enlightening. If you still have questions or concerns, please feel free to pick up a book, or stop in at your local Church of Scientology, or visit them on the web at:
http://www.scientology.org

Best,
Lord High Empror of Chadislovakia

I've read the scientific papers on Dianetics from the 1950's that called it complete bullshit, and I've also read excerpts of Hubbard's Sea Org orders. I've also read about the people who were scrubbed from Scientology's history, and those who died in their care. I've read enough material about Scientology from the organization itself to know that it is nothing more than a subversive, totalitarian cult that has no moral issues with destroying those who oppose them.

I'm still waiting for Scientology to explain the mysterious disappearance of Marty Rathburn or how L. Ron Hubbard was a "war hero" despite being censured and demoted for gross incompetence and endangering his soliders during WWII, or perhaps the particulars surrounding the death of Lisa McPherson.


Now, based on that, how can Christianity be classified as a cult? Somehow, during the 1990's, 90% of people pulled in to 'Deprogramming Centers' to get them out of their "cult" of choice were, in fact, Christians. Not Budhists, Muslims, Jews, Islams, Moonies, Hari Krishnas, or even Scientologists. Christians.

There are Christian cults. It is inaccurate to lump Christain cults together with Christians.

Have any of you read any of L. Ron Hubbard's books? Have any of you ever set foot inside one of their churches? Ever attended a single seminar?

Or, rather, are you taking the word of someone who knows someone who heard from someone else and the media?

Please bear in mind that even the Bible states, "Judge not lest ye be judged."

The ONLY way for one to make a truly informed decision, or voice a qualified opinion about ANY subject, is to have researched it before hand, and not rely on hearsay and rumor.

Think about your own chosen path in life. Go ahead, take a minute. I'll wait...

Now, what if someone who has no first hand knowledge about it started spouting a bunch of negative generalities about it - no specifics, and all a load of hooey? How would you feel about that person?

Realize this: when it got its first real start, the Romans considered Christianity to be a cult. Hrm. One of the world's largest religions (a major chunk of it based in Rome) a cult. Imagine that.

Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary:
(From the Late Latin for 'cultivate') "1. formal religious veneration - worship 2. a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also: its body and adherents 3. a system for the cure of disease based on dogma [belief system] set forth by its promulgator [founder] 4. great and especially faddish devotion; also: its object or adherents"

And just to clarify: "Fad - a practice or interest followed for a time with exagerated zeal: craze syn. see Fashion"

Now, based on that, how can Christianity be classified as a cult? Somehow, during the 1990's, 90% of people pulled in to 'Deprogramming Centers' to get them out of their "cult" of choice were, in fact, Christians. Not Budhists, Muslims, Jews, Islams, Moonies, Hari Krishnas, or even Scientologists. Christians.

Thank you for your time. I hope this has been enlightening. If you still have questions or concerns, please feel free to pick up a book, or stop in at your local Church of Scientology, or visit them on the web at:
http://www.scientology.org

Best,
Lord High Empror of Chadislovakia
What on earth are you talking about?

What on earth are you talking about?

He's a goddamn Scientologist, that's easy enough to say. The Church actually has an entire branch that hunts down negative comments about it online and sends people to try and refute it. Hell, he's a brand new nation who's first post in the forums is to try and discredit the truth, that Scientology is a vicious cult.

What on earth are you talking about?
I think "What in Xenu's name are you talking about" would be slightly more accurate.

Yep Chadoslovakia has got to be a Scientologist plant. That message looks almost pre-typed. They do have good Hackers in their little group I'll tell you that.

Man, he presented the weirdest arguement I've ever read.

We already know that scientologists are kooks. Unfortunately there isn't much that we can do here in the states provided they don't get elected into power and try to overturn the Constitution.

...Unfortunately there isn't much that we can do here in the states provided they don't get elected into power and try to overturn the Constitution.


What can we do then? Coz I'd like to try that now.

What can we do then? Coz I'd like to try that now.

They're free to worship as they choose provided they dn't break the law. Once they do, the justice department takes over. I don't know how prosecutions go but that is how it works.

They're free to worship as they choose provided they dn't break the law. Once they do, the justice department takes over. I don't know how prosecutions go but that is how it works.

No no, I'm talking about the religious kooks who are currently elected and trying to destroy the constitution - what can we do to fight them?

No no, I'm talking about the religious kooks who are currently elected and trying to destroy the constitution - what can we do to fight them?

Nothing since 1) they aren't religious kooks and 2) they aren't destroying the Constitution.

We now return you to Scientology kookery.

Have any of you read any of L. Ron Hubbard's books? Have any of you ever set foot inside one of their churches? Ever attended a single seminar?

Or, rather, are you taking the word of someone who knows someone who heard from someone else and the media?

Please bear in mind that even the Bible states, "Judge not lest ye be judged."

The ONLY way for one to make a truly informed decision, or voice a qualified opinion about ANY subject, is to have researched it before hand, and not rely on hearsay and rumor.

Think about your own chosen path in life. Go ahead, take a minute. I'll wait...

Now, what if someone who has no first hand knowledge about it started spouting a bunch of negative generalities about it - no specifics, and all a load of hooey? How would you feel about that person?

Realize this: when it got its first real start, the Romans considered Christianity to be a cult. Hrm. One of the world's largest religions (a major chunk of it based in Rome) a cult. Imagine that.

Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary:
(From the Late Latin for 'cultivate') "1. formal religious veneration - worship 2. a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also: its body and adherents 3. a system for the cure of disease based on dogma [belief system] set forth by its promulgator [founder] 4. great and especially faddish devotion; also: its object or adherents"

And just to clarify: "Fad - a practice or interest followed for a time with exagerated zeal: craze syn. see Fashion"

Now, based on that, how can Christianity be classified as a cult? Somehow, during the 1990's, 90% of people pulled in to 'Deprogramming Centers' to get them out of their "cult" of choice were, in fact, Christians. Not Budhists, Muslims, Jews, Islams, Moonies, Hari Krishnas, or even Scientologists. Christians.

Thank you for your time. I hope this has been enlightening. If you still have questions or concerns, please feel free to pick up a book, or stop in at your local Church of Scientology, or visit them on the web at:
http://www.scientology.org

Best,
Lord High Empror of Chadislovakia

Ever heard of Operation Snow White? The Scientology program which included the single largest infiltration of the United States government in history?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White

I suggest you read up on it. Scientology is a dangerous cult that murders and spys, and should be stopped immedietely.

We already know that scientologists are kooks. Unfortunately there isn't much that we can do here in the states provided they don't get elected into power and try to overturn the Constitution.

They won't. Scientology is dying out on its own, thanks in no small part to the internet and the release of OT3 to the public domain. They're screwed because they can't control the flow of information, and all of the stuff they previously covered up is being released on the net to millions of people anonymously.

That stops Scientology's strongest weapon, the legal system...you can't sue an anonymous poster.

They won't. Scientology is dying out on its own, thanks in no small part to the internet and the release of OT3 to the public domain. They're screwed because they can't control the flow of information, and all of the stuff they previously covered up is being released on the net to millions of people anonymously.

That stops Scientology's strongest weapon, the legal system...you can't sue an anonymous poster.

That's good :)

any links to the exposed secrets? the south park episode unveiled many of their ridiculous beliefs. what happened to rational thought? alien souls needing host bodies! a guy dies and comes back then floats into heaven over 2 thousand years ago! the earth wa created in a week! all gosh darn nonsense!!

Mazda is the one true god. Husqvarna is his prophet.

Have any of you read any of L. Ron Hubbard's books? Have any of you ever set foot inside one of their churches? Ever attended a single seminar?

Or, rather, are you taking the word of someone who knows someone who heard from someone else and the media?

Please bear in mind that even the Bible states, "Judge not lest ye be judged."

The ONLY way for one to make a truly informed decision, or voice a qualified opinion about ANY subject, is to have researched it before hand, and not rely on hearsay and rumor.

Think about your own chosen path in life. Go ahead, take a minute. I'll wait...

Now, what if someone who has no first hand knowledge about it started spouting a bunch of negative generalities about it - no specifics, and all a load of hooey? How would you feel about that person?

Realize this: when it got its first real start, the Romans considered Christianity to be a cult. Hrm. One of the world's largest religions (a major chunk of it based in Rome) a cult. Imagine that.

Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary:
(From the Late Latin for 'cultivate') "1. formal religious veneration - worship 2. a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also: its body and adherents 3. a system for the cure of disease based on dogma [belief system] set forth by its promulgator [founder] 4. great and especially faddish devotion; also: its object or adherents"

And just to clarify: "Fad - a practice or interest followed for a time with exagerated zeal: craze syn. see Fashion"

Now, based on that, how can Christianity be classified as a cult? Somehow, during the 1990's, 90% of people pulled in to 'Deprogramming Centers' to get them out of their "cult" of choice were, in fact, Christians. Not Budhists, Muslims, Jews, Islams, Moonies, Hari Krishnas, or even Scientologists. Christians.

Thank you for your time. I hope this has been enlightening. If you still have questions or concerns, please feel free to pick up a book, or stop in at your local Church of Scientology, or visit them on the web at:
http://www.scientology.org

Best,
Lord High Empror of Chadislovakia

Who else finds it a bit creepy that the first post from this person just 'happens' to be a defense of scientology with a link as well? Im not usually the kind that's buzzing about conspiracie, but if they're bothering registering/hacking/posting a response on such a little site simply because of a few negative comments, then obviously there's huge a problem :(. I seriously fear for the future if scientology spreads anymore than it has. I hope it dies soon.

Who else finds it a bit creepy that the first post from this person just 'happens' to be a defense of scientology with a link as well? Im not usually the kind that's buzzing about conspiracie, but if they're bothering registering/hacking/posting a response on such a little site simply because of a few negative comments, then obviously there's huge a problem :(. I seriously fear for the future if scientology spreads anymore than it has. I hope it dies soon.

This is a form that talks about Politics, has mentioned Scientology in the past and has had past connections with YTMND sites. They added it up and placed wonder Spy Chadoslovakia as a plant, he's been here at least for a little while his POP is 26 million. It's true they do have spies everywhere.

http://www.nationstates.net/93053/page=display_nation/nation=chadoslovakia
But what's really creepy is the guy's nation's motto:
"It's mine! All mine! Muwahahahahaha!" oookaayy.

I have always said that when there is something that people dont understand they critisise it. I'm a non practising Catholic and I really dont know anything about Scientology(all i know is that Tom Cruise) is in it. But when you really look at every religion (especially organised religion like christianity; and especially religions that make mass sums of money out of it) has some aspects that resemble a type of cult. But it is not for us to judge : Judge not least thee be judged. If Scientology gives their followers some type of religious significance and well being them give them their dues and leave them be.

Can someone please explain to me what the big deal about Scientology is? It sounds to me like a few trekkie hippie nutcases who had too much tequila last night and are on crack.
1. that is insulting to us trekkies

2. that is insulting to us hippies (to lump us with those scientologist nutcases)



however, yes, the rest of the scientologists must be high, drunk crack-hoes, of course *nods*

But it is not for us to judge : Judge not least thee be judged. If Scientology gives their followers some type of religious significance and well being them give them their dues and leave them be.
except for when that church breaks the laws of the land

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=489819

This is a form that talks about Politics, has mentioned Scientology in the past and has had past connections with YTMND sites. They added it up and placed wonder Spy Chadoslovakia as a plant, he's been here at least for a little while his POP is 26 million. It's true they do have spies everywhere.
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Plus it isn't a very small sight, it has a thousand or so active user, probably far, far more along with maybe another thousand less active uses. it's had to leave forums becuase it's too large-for a net forum it's very big-bigger than any otiher board I've come across. that alones makes it important.

Plus it isn't a very small sight, it has a thousand or so active user, probably far, far more along with maybe another thousand less active uses. it's had to leave forums becuase it's too large-for a net forum it's very big-bigger than any otiher board I've come across. that alones makes it important.
i spy the Hippytastic Nationstates Church Of Almighty Max on the horizon :cool:

i spy the Hippytastic Nationstates Church Of Almighty Max on the horizon :cool:
How about the Church of Howard? Worshiping our great god Howard via eating meat and poto pies and cornish pastys after following our messigha Tourching Witches (Twiitches)....

Ot we could just follow Brian and the Holt Gordle-and the Holy Sandle (or was it a shoe?)

i prefer the idea of a Grand Church of Prescott, where one must worship the almighty beef and onion pie and have ritual sex with our secretaries at every possible occasion ;)

the plus side is each member gets given not one, but two Jaguars :D

i prefer the idea of a Grand Church of Prescott, where one must worship the almighty beef and onion pie and have ritual sex with our secretaries at every possible occasion ;)

the plus side is each member gets given not one, but two Jaguars :D
I'll stary with the the Church of Howard. Where youa round when that actually happened (It was on this forum, it started out as the church of Max. But then we decided Twitches was our Maessigher and Worshiped him and Howard (From the Halifax adds) instead. By eating pie. I ate a lot of pie that day.

I'll stary with the the Church of Howard. Where youa round when that actually happened (It was on this forum, it started out as the church of Max. But then we decided Twitches was our Maessigher and Worshiped him and Howard (From the Halifax adds) instead. By eating pie. I ate a lot of pie that day.
ah no i must be too noobish to remember that :(

i think our silly churches will have to have a religious war...

ah no i must be too noobish to remember that :(

i think our silly churches will have to have a religious war...
*Throws pies* Thou shalt worship no other god but Harold.

*Throws pies* Thou shalt worship no other god but Harold.
he's a singing dick! no, if i'm going to worship any TV ad-based personality, then its got to be Churchill, the insurance dog :D


http://www.churchill.com/images/dog.jpg

phear his wrath!

Scientology is full of shit. Man, at least Christianity is vague enough to be believable. Intergalatic DC-8s? God that makes me feel dumb.

he's a singing dick! no, if i'm going to worship any TV ad-based personality, then its got to be Churchill, the insurance dog :D


http://www.churchill.com/images/dog.jpg

phear his wrath!
Never, *Throws more pies and sings 'Who gives you xtra*

Can someone please explain to me what the big deal about Scientology is? It sounds to me like a few trekkie hippie nutcases who had too much tequila last night and are on crack.


Yea, I'm pretty sure we can go ahead and say they're on crack...There "Tone Scale" is rather shallow and degrading from what I understand about it. It Seems to judge people based on there looks and appearences and trys to say how "Alive" someone is...Sounds like a pile of crap if I'v ever heard it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_scale We can always count on good ol Wikipedia :D

Then Mr. Hubbard "Which I think if a funny name" trys to tell people that we evolved from clams....uhhuuu...Clams...because that makes sence, and then after we were clams we were something called a Boohoo? The hell is a Boohoo?! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_History_of_Man

And to top everything off to prove that not only is Mr. Hubbard insane AND dangerous person, He stated that he would kill anyone who would harm his religion and its people, claiming that the religion founded by a science fiction author in the 1950's was the ONLY way to heaven : / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R2-45

Scientology is a stain on Christianity.

Scientology is an insult to all science fiction...I don't think any fan of any kind of science fiction condones the CoS. I'm with you on this one.

Remember that in the early days, it was promoted by the likes of John W. Campbell and A. E. van Vogt. Of particular note is the 1949 publication of Dianetics in Campbell's "Astounding Science Fiction" magazine.

Have any of you read any of L. Ron Hubbard's books? Have any of you ever set foot inside one of their churches? Ever attended a single seminar?

Or, rather, are you taking the word of someone who knows someone who heard from someone else and the media?

I've actually read Dianetics all the way through. Total BS/POS pseudoscience crap it was. I've also been lectured and given lit. by a former friend who fell for their crap - and tried to suck me and several others down the rabbit hole with him.

I wonder why it is okay for everyone to attack Scientology ruthlessly, but when it comes to other religions like Islam it is suddenly a big taboo. Every argument used to defend Islam (or virtually every other religion) can be used to defend Scientology (i.e. "but not all Scientologists are like that"). Yet the non-Islamic apologists for Islam aren't doing a thing to defend Scientology. It would go to reinforce the hypothesis that the Left defends Islam because it isn't currently PC to criticze it, and that criticism of Islam is viewed as a Right agenda.

I wonder why it is okay for everyone to attack Scientology ruthlessly, but when it comes to other religions like Islam it is suddenly a big taboo. Every argument used to defend Islam (or virtually every other religion) can be used to defend Scientology (i.e. "but not all Scientologists are like that"). Yet the non-Islamic apologists for Islam aren't doing a thing to defend Scientology. It would go to reinforce the hypothesis that the Left defends Islam because it isn't currently PC to criticze it, and that criticism of Islam is viewed as a Right agenda.

:confused:
You've been around here long enough to have seen the attacks on Islam and Christianity.

Lafayette Ronald Hubbard is a person who, throughout his life and even after, is viewed in different lights by many different people. The Church of Scientology view this man to be the saviour or prophet of the modern age, giving a meaning and purpose to many lives (they call him “The Friend of Mankind”). However, others look beneath the charismatic face and perceive a man driven by greed, lust for power and in general a con-artist. Despite several inaccuracies the Church promotes in Hubbard’s life, there are still agreements on many of the fundamental facts which took place.

L. Ron Hubbard was born to Harry Ross Hubbard and Ledora May Hubbard in 1911, Tilden, Nebraska. At an early age he became an Eagle Scout, and Hubbard himself later proclaimed that he was the youngest Eagle Scout in America, a claim that although held to be truth in the Church of Scientology, remains unfounded.

His Father joined the US Navy in 1904, delisted in 1908, then re-enlisted when the US declared war on Germany. His mother was a strong feminist, who had trained to become a high-school teacher. At times she home-schooled Hubbard while he missed school on their trips to the far-east, where his father was posted at the US Navy base at Guam.

Contrary to the Scientologist’s view of Hubbard, his teenage years and life at University were rather unremarkable. Hubbard claimed that he graduated from George Washington University as a nuclear physicist, and obtained a PhD from Sequoia University. However, George Washington university records indicate he attended for only two years, was on academic probation, failed in physics, and then dropped out in 1931 – and it was uncovered that the latter Californian university was exposed as a mail-order diploma mill.

When his academic career failed him Hubbard later pursued writing, most notably science fiction and fantasy stories throughout the next decade. Several books he wrote during this time placed him on many best-seller lists, including ‘Final Blackout’ and ‘Fear’. In a manuscript entitled ‘Excalibur’, there were many ideas and concepts that seem to show up later in Hubbard’s teachings of Scientology.

In 1941, L. Ron Hubbard joined the United States Navy as a lieutenant junior, and was posted to Australia in December. However, he soon returned to the US, after quarrelling with the Navy command. This happened several times, with Hubbard receiving reports such as, “Unsatisfactory for any assignment” or “not temperamentally fitted for independent command”. Again, this clashes with the typical Scientologist literature, hailing Hubbard as a hero of the war and a brave, strong figure of the Navy. Years after he was discharged from the navy in late 1945, Hubbard made several extraordinary claims about his wartime service. He was certain he had sustained combat wounds on the island of Java – however, there are no records of Hubbard ever being there, nor even being posted near there. Another claim is his 21 medals and awards. The Church of Scientology ‘reinforced’ Hubbard’s claims when they circulated a copy of his notice of separation (DD214), complete with a list of medals he had received during his service in the navy. The US navy’s copy of the form numbered DD214 is very different. Not only are half of the medals nonexistent, but the Scientologists version is signed by a nonexistent Lt. Cmdr Howard D. Thompson. When the Navy was queried in regards to the discrepancies, a spokesperson stated, “several inconsistencies exist between Mr. Hubbard's [purported] DD214 and the available facts.”
After he left the Navy, it should be noted that Hubbard took disability pay for arthritis, bursitis, and conjunctivitis. In the late 1940’s, Hubbard tried to find a mainstream publisher or medical professional to publish his new self-improvement technique called Dianetics, which introduces the concept of ‘auditing’ – a two-person question-and-answer therapy that focused on painful memories. This was purported to cure physical illness, emotional problems and increase intelligence. However, he was unable to convince anyone that it was worth publishing, other than an old friend who used to publish his science fiction stories – John W. Campbell.

It was no wonder that the scientific community did not even want to think about publishing Hubbard’s Dianetics – many scorned it with scathing remarks such as “a lunatic revision of Freudian psychology ”and “[it] had the look of a wonderfully rewarding scam”(both by author Jack Williamson). The American Psychological Association in 1950 published a statement in the New York Times which follows- “the association calls attention to the fact that these claims are not supported by empirical evidence,” and continued on to warn against the use of Dianetics until further scientific studies had been completed. The next year, Consumer Reports assessed Dianetics, concluding that it was “the basis for a new cult”. This turned out to be truer than they would have imagined.

It was in 1952 when Hubbard expanded Dianetics from a therapy technique to a secular philosophy which he called Scientology. Then a year later he declared Scientology a religion. This new applied religious philosophy focuses on the rehabilitation of the human spirit, called a Thetan. One on one ‘auditing’ sessions could, over time, reduce the effects caused by harmful Thetans to a person’s emotional and physical state, and could reach an almost godhood level when realisation of ‘your true self or Thetan’ is achieved.

However the road to salvation is a long and expensive one for Church members, who are expected to pay fixed donation rates for auditing sessions, courses, books, equipment. This was all very lucrative for the Church, as most work was also voluntary. Emoluments were reportedly paid to the Hubbard family, but Ron Hubbard denied many times in writing that this was true.

It becomes clear that cross-analysing what the Church of Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard says about his life is quite different to official records and testimonies. Even the motives of Hubbard can come into question when he is quoted in Readers Digest from the 1940’s, “Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion.” It would become more so difficult to believe the claims of Hubbard when his own son, L. Ron Hubbard Jr. stated in 1983 “99% of what my father ever wrote or said about himself is totally untrue.”



Just a little essay I wrote a few years ago. i didn't even go into the other stuff about Scientology and its illegal activities, even against the US government...

:confused:
You've been around here long enough to have seen the attacks on Islam and Christianity.

Yes, of course. I'm not saying Islam and Christianity don't get criticism. What I am saying is that people defend Islam more than any other religion on these threads. Someone who gives criticism of Islam gets labeled a bigot, a racist, Islamophobe, etc.

Yet, when Scientology pops up, everyone has a field day. There is a double standard when it comes to criticism of some religions. Its okay to give criticism of some, but when it comes to others its breaking a huge taboo.

Yet, when Scientology pops up, everyone has a field day. There is a double standard when it comes to criticism of some religions. Its okay to give criticism of some, but when it comes to others its breaking a huge taboo.

but what about when it clashes with obvious empirical truths?

i give my essay above as evidence

but what about when it clashes with obvious empirical truths?

i give my essay above as evidence

Good essay. Clashing with empirical evidence is always something that refutes religion strongly. Its also not something exclusive to Scientology. Every religion takes a more magical view of their prophets or founders than external, secular scholarship and evidence. An example would be all of the early myths surrounding Mohammad, that we know from scholarship to be early Islamic traditions that reflected paganism in Bedouin society, vs modern Islam that rejects most of those myths.

Good essay. Clashing with empirical evidence is always something that refutes religion strongly..... An example would be all of the early myths surrounding Mohammad, that we know from scholarship to be early Islamic traditions that reflected paganism in Bedouin society, vs modern Islam that rejects most of those myths.


well, Muhammad really was in the end, when looked at, a war mongerer. Don't call me a troll or anything, but just look at how he spread Islam, certainly not peacefully. I'd really like to know what his exact motives were.... and how he ascended to heaven when it says in a hadith of Aisha that he died in her lap of illness/fever...

meh, Studies of Religion is useful for something at least...

I wonder why it is okay for everyone to attack Scientology ruthlessly, but when it comes to other religions like Islam it is suddenly a big taboo. Every argument used to defend Islam (or virtually every other religion) can be used to defend Scientology (i.e. "but not all Scientologists are like that"). Yet the non-Islamic apologists for Islam aren't doing a thing to defend Scientology. It would go to reinforce the hypothesis that the Left defends Islam because it isn't currently PC to criticze it, and that criticism of Islam is viewed as a Right agenda.

Christianity and Islam are legitimate religions, and they're still attacked ruthlessly. Scientology is a ridiculous and dangerous cult that kills and brainwashes people.

And fuck political correctness.

Can someone please explain to me what the big deal about Scientology is? It sounds to me like a few trekkie hippie nutcases who had too much tequila last night and are on crack.
As a Trekkie, I am offended by those comments. :mad:

All you (n)ever wanted to know about Scientology :: http://www.xenu.net/

Yes, of course. I'm not saying Islam and Christianity don't get criticism. What I am saying is that people defend Islam more than any other religion on these threads. Someone who gives criticism of Islam gets labeled a bigot, a racist, Islamophobe, etc.

Yet, when Scientology pops up, everyone has a field day. There is a double standard when it comes to criticism of some religions. Its okay to give criticism of some, but when it comes to others its breaking a huge taboo.
If it was a real religion maybe I'd see the point, but it isn't, it's a giant Scam designed to remove money from people's pockets to the pockets of those who run the place.

Have any of you read any of L. Ron Hubbard's books? Have any of you ever set foot inside one of their churches? Ever attended a single seminar?

Or, rather, are you taking the word of someone who knows someone who heard from someone else and the media?

Please bear in mind that even the Bible states, "Judge not lest ye be judged."

The ONLY way for one to make a truly informed decision, or voice a qualified opinion about ANY subject, is to have researched it before hand, and not rely on hearsay and rumor.

Think about your own chosen path in life. Go ahead, take a minute. I'll wait...

Now, what if someone who has no first hand knowledge about it started spouting a bunch of negative generalities about it - no specifics, and all a load of hooey? How would you feel about that person?

Realize this: when it got its first real start, the Romans considered Christianity to be a cult. Hrm. One of the world's largest religions (a major chunk of it based in Rome) a cult. Imagine that.

Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary:
(From the Late Latin for 'cultivate') "1. formal religious veneration - worship 2. a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also: its body and adherents 3. a system for the cure of disease based on dogma [belief system] set forth by its promulgator [founder] 4. great and especially faddish devotion; also: its object or adherents"

And just to clarify: "Fad - a practice or interest followed for a time with exagerated zeal: craze syn. see Fashion"

Now, based on that, how can Christianity be classified as a cult? Somehow, during the 1990's, 90% of people pulled in to 'Deprogramming Centers' to get them out of their "cult" of choice were, in fact, Christians. Not Budhists, Muslims, Jews, Islams, Moonies, Hari Krishnas, or even Scientologists. Christians.

Thank you for your time. I hope this has been enlightening. If you still have questions or concerns, please feel free to pick up a book, or stop in at your local Church of Scientology, or visit them on the web at:
http://www.scientology.org

Best,
Lord High Empror of Chadislovakia


You're quoting Christianity to justify Scientology?

What about those of us who take Scientology JUST as seriously as any other religion? Aka Not at all.

Have any of you read any of L. Ron Hubbard's books? Have any of you ever set foot inside one of their churches? Ever attended a single seminar?

Or, rather, are you taking the word of someone who knows someone who heard from someone else and the media?

Please bear in mind that even the Bible states, "Judge not lest ye be judged."

The ONLY way for one to make a truly informed decision, or voice a qualified opinion about ANY subject, is to have researched it before hand, and not rely on hearsay and rumor.

Think about your own chosen path in life. Go ahead, take a minute. I'll wait...

Now, what if someone who has no first hand knowledge about it started spouting a bunch of negative generalities about it - no specifics, and all a load of hooey? How would you feel about that person?

Realize this: when it got its first real start, the Romans considered Christianity to be a cult. Hrm. One of the world's largest religions (a major chunk of it based in Rome) a cult. Imagine that.

Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary:
(From the Late Latin for 'cultivate') "1. formal religious veneration - worship 2. a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also: its body and adherents 3. a system for the cure of disease based on dogma [belief system] set forth by its promulgator [founder] 4. great and especially faddish devotion; also: its object or adherents"

And just to clarify: "Fad - a practice or interest followed for a time with exagerated zeal: craze syn. see Fashion"

Now, based on that, how can Christianity be classified as a cult? Somehow, during the 1990's, 90% of people pulled in to 'Deprogramming Centers' to get them out of their "cult" of choice were, in fact, Christians. Not Budhists, Muslims, Jews, Islams, Moonies, Hari Krishnas, or even Scientologists. Christians.

Thank you for your time. I hope this has been enlightening. If you still have questions or concerns, please feel free to pick up a book, or stop in at your local Church of Scientology, or visit them on the web at:
http://www.scientology.org

Best,
Lord High Empror of Chadislovakia
How about something from Hubbard himself?
The Creation of Human Ability, L. Ron Hubbard, 1953.

"Society, thirsting for more control of more people substitutes religion
for the spirit, the body for the soul, an identity for the individual
and science and data for truth. In this direction lies insanity,
increasing slavery, less knowingness, greater scarcity and less society.

"Scientology has opened the gates to a better World. It is not a
psycho-therapy nor a religion. It is a body of knowledge which, when
properly used, gives freedom and truth to the individual."

From the context of the first sentence, Hubbard associates "religion" as a mistaken substitution for the spirit. This is consistent with other statements by Hubbard which disparage religion in general.
[Scientology] IS NOT A PSYCHO-THERAPY NOR A RELIGION. Hubbard said so himself! Note: this passage was removed in 1971 and later editions.
http://www.ami.com.au/~bradw/cos/Theology/Theology/barwell2.htm

Scientology?

Whatever, no difference from the other main religions as I see it.

1) Blind Faith - check
2) Malicious Behavior towards Outsiders - check
3) Other Motivations - check

However, I'll give the other religions that they actually have a good theme behind them. Scientology just seems like some "join us because we're right!". At least the others try to preach tolerance and good will towards fellow man. In that aspect Scientology fails.

This one is pretty good too:
Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter (HCOPL) 29 Oct. 1962, "Religion"

"Scientology 1970 is being planned on a religious organization basis
throughout the world. This will not upset in any way the usual
activities of any organization. It is entirely a matter for accountants
and solicitors."

You wogs! Your obnosis is so not isness!

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/9363363/inside_scientology

I wouldn't classify Scientology as a religion proper. It is more like a "personal psychology" (which, I suppose, any religion could also be considered).

Scientology teaches some very powerful psychological tools. Depending on how strong-willed one is, this can also go both ways.

Usually the people involved are very much trying to improve themselves on many personal levels, but more often than not end up reprogramming themselves in ways that could be detrimental to them in the long term.

In this way Scientology can be a useful tool. But I wouln't pay for it. LOL

Learning about anything takes *discernment* (!!!) on the individual's part. My two cents? Read all you want about Scientology, even adopt some of the skills if you desire. But take your money and donate it to a better "charity." ;)

They're free to worship as they choose provided they dn't break the law. Once they do, the justice department takes over. I don't know how prosecutions go but that is how it works.
They've broken the law. And, if the government gets a spine and reclassifies them as a dangerous cult, they no long receive the First Amendment protections.

All you (n)ever wanted to know about Scientology :: http://www.xenu.net/
thanks

As a Trekkie, I am offended by those comments. :mad:

i meant know offense. but from what i know of scientology, they seem to be just a bunch of over-obsessive science fiction NERDS

Have any of you read any of L. Ron Hubbard's books? Have any of you ever set foot inside one of their churches? Ever attended a single seminar?

Well, despite my brain telling me not to do this, I'm handicapped, single and will probably die in an alley, so what's the worse that this so called "church" can do to me? To answear your first question, yes I've called the local place here in NC (Greensboro). Man the woman who answered was NUTS! I mean she actually said that her life before she had Scienctology was a waste. How can you call your life a waste? Also, she was acting like she had Ron's penis in her mouth during the converstation. I had to hang up after awhile because 1. I couldn't stop laughing and 2. It was getting scary. Plus I pranked phone called her.


Or, rather, are you taking the word of someone who knows someone who heard from someone else and the media?

I actually reasearched Scienctology because I used to teach adult Sunday school and one of the passage of the Bible was telling us to beware false prophets, and I thought L Ron Hubbard falls nicely into the false prophet cat.


Please bear in mind that even the Bible states, "Judge not lest ye be judged."

Yea it also tells us to beware of false prophets and to not listen to their message. And we're humans, we're going to judge, it's invetitable, we're falliable.


The ONLY way for one to make a truly informed decision, or voice a qualified opinion about ANY subject, is to have researched it before hand, and not rely on hearsay and rumor.


And you can do that by going to their seminar and pay $500! per session!

Think about your own chosen path in life. Go ahead, take a minute. I'll wait...

I think about it everyday, everyday I think about how I can be a better Christian and Catholic.


Now, what if someone who has no first hand knowledge about it started spouting a bunch of negative generalities about it - no specifics, and all a load of hooey? How would you feel about that person?

Been there, done that, just write the person off as a kook, just like I do with L Ron Hubbard or anyone associated with this scam/cult.


Realize this: when it got its first real start, the Romans considered Christianity to be a cult. Hrm. One of the world's largest religions (a major chunk of it based in Rome) a cult. Imagine that.

Yea, but they wern't forcing people to pay money to hear the message that Jesus wanted them to spread. They also didn't try to censor people and their thought, and they actually tried to help people by talking to them, being a in-between guys in dispute etc. All for free and without the use of E-Meters.

Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary:
(From the Late Latin for 'cultivate') "1. formal religious veneration - worship 2. a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also: its body and adherents 3. a system for the cure of disease based on dogma [belief system] set forth by its promulgator [founder] 4. great and especially faddish devotion; also: its object or adherents"

scam Audio pronunciation of "Scam" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (skm) Slang
n.

A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.


tr.v. scammed, scam·ming, scams

To defraud; swindle.

See: Church of Sciencetology


And just to clarify: "Fad - a practice or interest followed for a time with exagerated zeal: craze syn. see Fashion"

Yea, but the CoS is more than just a "fad". A Fad is something like the latest clothing or hair style, or the latest music. CoS is a dangerous cult that kills it's members, or ruins the life of anyone who speaks out against it. They also buy off cops, brainwash, etc. etc. Need I go on?


Now, based on that, how can Christianity be classified as a cult? Somehow, during the 1990's, 90% of people pulled in to 'Deprogramming Centers' to get them out of their "cult" of choice were, in fact, Christians. Not Budhists, Muslims, Jews, Islams, Moonies, Hari Krishnas, or even Scientologists. Christians.

What the hell are you talking about, and what are these "Deprogramming Centers?"


Thank you for your time. I hope this has been enlightening. If you still have questions or concerns, please feel free to pick up a book, or stop in at your local Church of Scientology, or visit them on the web at:
http://www.scientology.org
Lord High Empror of Chadislovakia

Been to the website, still think it's a bunch of crap. I also read the book in the libarary, and jeez, I've read better Sci-Fi written by a damn chimp.

Like I said at the beginning, I really don't care what you do to me, because hey, I'm not the kind of person that is taken back by threats.

This is a forum that talks about Politics, has mentioned Scientology in the past and has had past connections with YTMND sites. They added it up and placed wonder Spy Chadoslovakia as a plant, he's been here at least for a little while his POP is 26 million. It's true they do have spies everywhere.

http://www.nationstates.net/93053/page=display_nation/nation=chadoslovakia
But what's really creepy is the guy's nation's motto:
"It's mine! All mine! Muwahahahahaha!" oookaayy.
What I find funny about his nation (and I know you can't read too much into it but still...) is that it has 'few' civil rights and 'unheard of' political freedoms.
Much like scientology then, innit?

I wouldn't be surprised if Scientology does google regularly to check what ppl are saying about them. They're certainly are quick to sue/threaten anyone for any perceived slander/libel.
I wouldn't be surprised if you were to find that Chads nation was created very soon after the other threads dissing scientology were created - two weeks ago now weren't they? 26 million population? That takes about 2 weeks to produce, doesn't it?

I also wouldn't be surprised to find that his response is a stock one that is parroted out on each and every forum board that starts up a discussion about scientology.

Guess we should be proud that our ramblings are important and dangerous enough to warrant a visit from L.Ron's finest kooks!

Maybe we should just start slagging of L.Ron Hubbard ('L' stands for 'Loser' btw) and see how many other newly formed nations respond (or maybe they'll crash jolt to teach us heathens a lesson! *gasp*:eek: )
I'll start.

So, if any scientologists are still reading, I just want to say that L. Ron Hubbard had sexual relationships with dead animals.

So, if any scientologists are still reading, I just want to say that L. Ron Hubbard had sexual relationships with dead animals.
Necrophilic bestiality must be part of the faith. L Ron himself has been long since thrown in a hole in the ground and Scientologists are still enthusiastically getting off on him.

I know I don't. I agree with you Vetalia.

As a Sci-Fi writer, I virulently oppose Scientology. It is an affront to all Sci-Fi.

i meant know offense. but from what i know of scientology, they seem to be just a bunch of over-obsessive science fiction NERDS
Science Fiction nerds would put more thought into life than blindly following a man who wrote a book. You have obviously never met a true Trekkie, if you don't realize that we are so over analytical that Scientology would never pass for us.

Yes, of course. I'm not saying Islam and Christianity don't get criticism. What I am saying is that people defend Islam more than any other religion on these threads. Someone who gives criticism of Islam gets labeled a bigot, a racist, Islamophobe, etc.

Yet, when Scientology pops up, everyone has a field day. There is a double standard when it comes to criticism of some religions. Its okay to give criticism of some, but when it comes to others its breaking a huge taboo.

That is because everybody knows almost everything about Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Paganism, and Scientology. The first six aren't falsifiable, have decent morals, and are very peaceful. They are based on events that happened thousands of years ago that shaped people's minds. Scientology, however, was started in the 1950's (as opposed to 6,000 BC or whatever) and it was based on SCIENCE FICTION. There is a world of evidence to disprove Scientolocrap, but little to prove/disprove the others.

By the way, a so-called "religion" based on 1950's sci-fi books written by a lunatic is NOT, in any way, remotely believable.

That and any religion that sues thier critics into submission is bad.

Science Fiction nerds would put more thought into life than blindly following a man who wrote a book. You have obviously never met a true Trekkie, if you don't realize that we are so over analytical that Scientology would never pass for us.

I apologize to all non-Scientologist Trekkies in the world.

I just saw the South Park episode man it's freaking hilarious!

What I find funny about his nation (and I know you can't read too much into it but still...) is that it has 'few' civil rights and 'unheard of' political freedoms.
Much like scientology then, innit?

I wouldn't be surprised if Scientology does google regularly to check what ppl are saying about them. They're certainly are quick to sue/threaten anyone for any perceived slander/libel.
I wouldn't be surprised if you were to find that Chads nation was created very soon after the other threads dissing scientology were created - two weeks ago now weren't they? 26 million population? That takes about 2 weeks to produce, doesn't it?

I also wouldn't be surprised to find that his response is a stock one that is parroted out on each and every forum board that starts up a discussion about scientology.

Guess we should be proud that our ramblings are important and dangerous enough to warrant a visit from L.Ron's finest kooks!

Speaking of that have you noticed that Chadoslovakia hasn't shown up again? I bet he's off getting Hacker reinforcements. If Jolt or NS goes down in a few days, we'll know who to blame.

Can someone please explain to me what the big deal about Scientology is? It sounds to me like a few trekkie hippie nutcases who had too much tequila last night and are on crack.
You nailed the explanation right on the head.

Speaking of that have you noticed that Chadoslovakia hasn't shown up again? I bet he's off getting Hacker reinforcements. If Jolt or NS goes down in a few days, we'll know who to blame.

Also notice how he haven't replied to any of our response to his post. I guess without a prepared statement, these kooks can't fight back. Critical and free thinking are discouraged in CoS apparently.

Well, apparently YTMND has come under fire from CoS. This just shows how nuts these people really are.

http://www.ytmnd.com/info/l_ron.html

What CoS doesn't realize is that YTMND is a paraody site, Soo... anything and everything usually goes in paraodies, and the creators doesn't have to worry about getting sued because it's a paraody.

Church of Scientology sends a cease and desist


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Who wants to sign this guy up to a whole bunch of stuff that he'll get in his mailbox?

Well, apparently YTMND has come under fire from CoS. This just shows how nuts these people really are.

http://www.ytmnd.com/info/l_ron.html

What CoS doesn't realize is that YTMND is a paraody site, Soo... anything and everything usually goes in paraodies, and the creators doesn't have to worry about getting sued because it's a paraody.
Who wants to sign this guy up to a whole bunch of stuff that he'll get in his mailbox?

Firstly I think it's a she. Secondly, this is 2 week old news. Already they've disappeared and have since stopped bothering YTMND. This message is what started it all.

Firstly I think it's a she. Secondly, this is 2 week old news. Already they've disappeared and have since stopped bothering YTMND. This message is what started it all.

I still want to sign her up for a beastility porn magazine.

You nailed the explanation right on the head.

thank you.

1) Yes, I am a Scientologist
2) I am not a plant
3) I do not know whether or not Tropical Sands is a Scientologist
4) I have not issued any hits on any of you, Jolt or NS – people are free to speak their minds, and when that is squelched, we’re all done for – take a look at the movie Equilibrium
5) I am a pretty mild mannered fellow, and thought it a great lark to run a dictatorship. Besides, I'm not ALL bad - I'm fixing the roads, taxes (as of this morning, anyrate) are below 90%, people are learning foreign langauges, etc.
6) I am a Trekkie
7) I am a Sci-Fi fan
8) I was raised Christian and still hold certain Christian precepts and values
9) One of the most important things Mr. Hubbard wrote:

"Personal Integrity
"What is true for you is what you have observed for yourself
And when you lose that you have lost everything
What is personal integrity?
Personal integrity is knowing what you know -
What you know is what you know -
And to have the courage to know and say what you have observed.
And that is integrity.
And there is no other integrity.

"Of course we can talk about honor, truth, all these things,
These esoteric terms.
But I think they'd all be covered well
If what we really observed was what we really observed,
That we took care to observe what we were observing,
That we always observed to observe.

"And not necessarily maintaining a skeptical attitude,
A critical attitude, or an open mind.
But certainly maintaining sufficient personal integrity
And sufficient personal belief and confidence in self
And courage that we can observe what we have observed
And say what we have observed.

"Nothing in Dianetics and Scientology is true for you
Unless you have observed it
And it is true according to your observation
That is all."

Thank you all for turning up in such numbers!

Thank you Tropical Sands for just about the sanest viewpoint here.

Thank you to the rest for the entertainment factor!

I have never laughed as hard as I have at all of the nonsensical drivel I've seen free flowing on this thread. *gripping stomach* Not that everything said was such. There was some and at all of it there was, I laughed.

Some have made points.

Since I have not taken the time to research some of the points raised herein, I cannot intelligently debate them, so will not.

Frankly, I have better things to do with my time than delve into the Internet for hours to research up negativity. Not that I cannot deal with negativity. But why? There is already so much negativity in the world, why take the time and effort to create more?

I understand that there are those out there who have a poor opinion of my religion. There are worse things. I do not feel the need to mention them, as we all, no doubt, have seen the stories in the media. If you require example, however, I will oblige.

Remember, there are critics of every religion. Most of them either had a bad experience, or did not have a full enough grasp of that religion.

All hail Joe Bob Schmidt! Cuz its been a while since anyone has & he was feeling a bit down.

Cheers,
Chad

1) Yes, I am a Scientologist
-snip-

8) I was raised Christian and still hold certain Christian precepts and values


how does that all mesh well? what Christian precepts and values do you still hold?

Smunkeeville,

Love thy neighbor

Honor thy parents

Most of what Jesus said was pretty right on, as are the commandments. I am glad His teachings were set down for future generations. We need it.

I do not, however, hold any false gods, for I do not worship anyone as a god – even L. Ron Hubbard. Hubbard was a man.

Really the only thing I never really got was the whole concept of Jesus dying for the sins of the entire world.

I mean, it is when we take responsibility for our own transgressions that we become free. I don't see how someone else can take responsibility for something that I have done and have it benefit me. If someone keeps allowing little Johnny to transgress and keeps telling him it’s ok & he’s forgiven without allowing him to take any responsibility for his own actions and somehow make up any damage, how would that affect his behavior pattern? Wouldn’t he simply continue to transgress against the group?

There is also the aspect that some follow that if they just sit back and trust God/Jesus that everything will be ok. Those few that exercise zero self determination, zero choice.

I have seen a bumper sticker that says, "God is my co-pilot" and I like that concept. Allowing His guidance to keep you on the right course is totally awesome. It is the idea that one is simply a passenger in life and ALL things are decided by Him that I really have a hard time with.

I have no truck with Christians or Catholics or anyone else, really. As long as they practice what they preach and are not hypocrites.

I do my best every day to live up to what I believe in and set a good example for those around me – not just as a Scientologist, but as a person – as another human being on this planet that we all share.

Take a look at the Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you (perhaps not a direct quote, but that is how I learned it)

I don’t go around slamming others based on their beliefs, and I think it irresponsible of those who do. I also believe in the law of Karma – what goes around comes around. Seems a common thread in many applied philosophies and religions. I wonder why that would be.

Depending on the individual’s own level of ethics, or moral compass, what comes around could take seconds or years. I prefer not to roll those dice. I have also heard the phrase “good clean living pays off”. I feel that kinda falls into the same arena.

Truth is truth, no matter who you are. The sky is blue. Grass is green. There is a supreme being, and He/She goes by many different names in many different cultures. I personally have not labeled God with a name or even a gender. It is just enough for me to know that God exists, and to even a small degree might be helping look out for me, helping pick me up & dust me off when I fall. I don’t think God is upset that I don’t have utter faith in Jesus.

Heck, I have a friend who is completely convinced that my wife is going to Hell because she is Jewish. Even the bible says that the Jews are God’s chosen people. Of course, there is the argument that that is Old Testament, and Jesus is New Testament. But that is the fundamental difference between Judaism and Christianity. The Jews have not been convinced that Jesus was the Messiah, and are still waiting.

I really don’t think any of us will know for certain until we are dead. If I die and appear before God or Jesus or St. Peter and am asked, “Why didn’t you listen?” then I will have to deal with it then. If you die and find yourself ‘floating around’ not knowing what to do because you’re not in Heaven or Hell or even Purgatory, then you will have to deal with that then.

I’m not here to say that I am 100% right and that everyone else is wrong. I’m not here to proselytize to or convert anyone.

I merely saw someone stating mistruths and misconceptions about my religion and felt the need to say something.

This is my last entry on this thread, but feel free to telegram me via Chadoslovakia, and I will be happy to answer any questions of which I am qualified to so do.

Drop on by Chadoslovakia some time & we’ll party like its 1699! Unless I become soft and pass more reform and free up tax crowns for people to actually use as they see fit. Cuz then I wouldn’t have the money to party. Unless it’s a BYO!

Cheers,
Chad