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I haven't seen this topic on here before so here it comes:

What is your stance on aestethic surgery?
(For the sake of the debate, let's omit the reconstruction burnt faces etc., and focus solely on surgery to change your appearance, i.e. boob jobs, liposuction in cases where overweight is not a medical problem etc.)

It kinda disgusts me, but there's no stopping the trend really. One day people will be getting brain transplants just to make a fashion statement.

I haven't seen this topic on here before so here it comes:

What is your stance on aestethic surgery? Neither here nor there. I don't think it's any of my business how people look.

I see no problem with it.

If people want to get cosmetic surgery, that's their business. I don't have any particular problem with it.

That said, I think it's sad that our society is so focused on the superficial and conventionally-attractive that people believe they can't be sexy without Botox and a boob job.

That is a good topic (and weird that it hasn't been done much before).

My feelings towards elective cosmetic surgery are ever evolving as it becomes more and more common.

I'm in Europe and we're still a long way away from the casual boob job that seems so, well, casual, in the US. But still, we have the same celebrities, so we get the same ideals.

Mainly, I find it frustrating. It's a neverending spiral of How Can I Look Even More Perfect. The more common it becomes, the more it's almost expected from you.

There have been instances in which I saw a picture of some actress and thought "Man, she has an awful lot of wrinkles, why doesn't she do anything against that?" when she was, in fact, likely the only one there who actually *gasp* looked her age.
I hate how there is this kind of sneaking getting used to it that leads to acceptance and even expectation.

And it's reaching ever more ridiculous levels. Now that boobs and faces and lips have all been done, they're starting in on shit like labia surgery. Because we now apparently have a beauty ideal for vaginas.

I'm getting used to the craziness, and I hate that.

I don't really understand the problem. No one's against wearing nice clothes or putting on a little make up. Aesthetic surgery is just the next step. Why not improve your appearance if that option is available to you? Maybe there is a lot of unearned attention payed to someone's appearance, but if that's the case, why not increase the odds in your favor?

It's pretty over-the-top, but it's not like I'm going to protest outside of the plastic surgeon's office. If people want to waste thousands of dollars to look like Barbie's newest friend, fine. It's not as though they'll actually become better people by it, but maybe it'll help them sleep at night.

Oh, and I've seriously asked myself how many kids today even know what "real" breasts look like. Every teenage guy can get their porn off the internet, and a huge majority of the women have breast implants. Sometimes very obvious ones, sometimes not so much.

And when you spend some time on the internet, you stumble on blogs and message boards and gossip sites where any kind of bodily shape that does not look like that surgeried fake ideal (think petite girl with D-cup breasts pert enough to take out your eye) is savagely derided.

So, seriously - aren't those guys in for a huge disappointment when they find out that their girlfriends' breasts actually do things like, say, flatten somewhat when she lies down?

There are plenty of attractive people who aren't medical experiments. I give human beigns enough credibility to tell reallity from internet pornography.

people should be able to do as they please with their body and their money. (subject in certain cases to psychological examination due to the desire for extreme surgery)

but

if a person falls in the range of being normal there are much better things they could be doing with their money. its expensive, it risks making a person look worse rather than better (michael jackson) and in rare cases it can kill you.

it shouldnt be done lightly.

So, seriously - aren't those guys in for a huge disappointment when they find out that their girlfriends' breasts actually do things like, say, flatten somewhat when she lies down?

No.

Look, people can (yes, even big dumb sweaty egotistical woman-oppressing porn-watching exploitation-seeking males) realize that life is not a porno.

Plastic surgury, when used in moderation; can be okay. Its when you abuse it i.e. 5'1" 90lb girl goes in and gets D's. It looks funny, and she probably REALLY didn't need it in the first place. If instead she got a full B, it wouldn't be so bad. Use in moderation is key.

Their body, their money. None of my business. Though I must agree that a lot of people are being brainwashed into what is considered "beautiful" as put forth by media standards.

No.

Look, people can (yes, even big dumb sweaty egotistical woman-oppressing porn-watching exploitation-seeking males) realize that life is not a porno.
Er...okay. Good that we got that out of the way. o.O

I could totally see being somewhat disappointed that things maybe don't live quite up to expectations - and not because they're superficial jerks or anything, but just because that's what they've seen.

Oh, and I've seriously asked myself how many kids today even know what "real" breasts look like. Every teenage guy can get their porn off the internet, and a huge majority of the women have breast implants. Sometimes very obvious ones, sometimes not so much.

And when you spend some time on the internet, you stumble on blogs and message boards and gossip sites where any kind of bodily shape that does not look like that surgeried fake ideal (think petite girl with D-cup breasts pert enough to take out your eye) is savagely derided.

So, seriously - aren't those guys in for a huge disappointment when they find out that their girlfriends' breasts actually do things like, say, flatten somewhat when she lies down?
poor things

if they learn all they know about women from porn they are in for way more shocks than breasts that dont change shape with position

they will have the hurt of finding out that their gf really doesnt want to lose her virginity "doggy style" and that she find the thought of ejaculate in her face disgusting rather than alluring.

I don't have have a problem with it. I actually think it is a good idea if it will make you feel better about yourself, although I would never have it done.

And it's reaching ever more ridiculous levels. Now that boobs and faces and lips have all been done, they're starting in on shit like labia surgery. Because we now apparently have a beauty ideal for vaginas.


Oh, ye gods, I'd forgotten about the labia surgeries. Those are seriously bizarre. I remember reading an article a year or so ago in which a woman who'd had her labia "improved" was interviewed. She explained that her boyfriend had broken up with her because her private bits weren't as attractive as those he'd seen on porn stars. It depresses me to no end to hear women respond to this sort of thing by thinking, "Well, I guess I'd better have surgery to look more like a porn star" rather than, "Wow, what an ass my ex-boyfriend is. Good riddance!"

*sigh*

So, seriously - aren't those guys in for a huge disappointment when they find out that their girlfriends' breasts actually do things like, say, flatten somewhat when she lies down?

Nah, its hot when they do that. :D

Er...okay. Good that we got that out of the way. o.O

I could totally see being somewhat disappointed that things maybe don't live quite up to expectations - and not because they're superficial jerks or anything, but just because that's what they've seen.

Yeah, but I too am one of these kids who saw porn long before seeing real women quivering underneath me. Trust me, the average male anyway is not gonna be disappointed. Any potential disenchantment from seeing nonpr0n boobies is offset by the fact that said boobies are graspable and tasty, unlike 100% of magazine or interweb boobies. :D

No.

Look, people can (yes, even big dumb sweaty egotistical woman-oppressing porn-watching exploitation-seeking males) realize that life is not a porno.

You give humanity-in-general too much credit, I'm afraid. I think most people can tell the difference between reality and pornography (and are sensible enough to prefer the former), but I assure you that there's still a definite minority who can't. Heck, not too long ago, I had a guy explain to me that pubic hair on women was not only "disgusting" but "unnatural." When I pointed out that this seemed to be some strange and novel definition of "unnatural" which I had not previously encountered, he explained (I swear I'm not kidding) that he'd "seen hundreds of naked women" and none of them had pubic hair...except for his ex-girlfriend.

"Gee," I thought. "I wonder where you've seen all these "natural" naked women..."

Obviously, idiots like this are the exception rather than the rule, but they do exist, unfortunately.

Oh, ye gods, I'd forgotten about the labia surgeries. Those are seriously bizarre. I remember reading an article a year or so ago in which a woman who'd had her labia "improved" was interviewed. She explained that her boyfriend had broken up with her because her private bits weren't as attractive as those he'd seen on porn stars. It depresses me to no end to hear women respond to this sort of thing by thinking, "Well, I guess I'd better have surgery to look more like a porn star" rather than, "Wow, what an ass my ex-boyfriend is. Good riddance!"

*sigh*
Yeah, that's what I meant, seeing how the same goes for breasts, too. I have nothing against porn - hello - I'm just wondering.... if those are the kind of women we see naked most often (and they very often are) then that kind of has to have an effect on what we see as ideal & pleasant, if not even normal & to be expected.

I read an interesting article about the labia thing once, basically saying that the big, traditional, anglo-american men's magazines had a long-standing policy of only showing "discreet genitalia" so as not to be censored, thus basically setting the tone for what we were shown (and got used to like) in mainstream porn even today.

I am so good looking that there almost no romm for improvement.

Who am I kidding? There is no room to improve on perfection.

Yeah, but I too am one of these kids who saw porn long before seeing real women quivering underneath me. Trust me, the average male anyway is not gonna be disappointed. Any potential disenchantment from seeing nonpr0n boobies is offset by the fact that said boobies are graspable and tasty, unlike 100% of magazine or interweb boobies. :D
Heh, that was actually the one caveat I had about my theory, but there was just no way I could have expressed it quite as eloquently. :p

Heh, that was actually the one caveat I had about my one theory, but there was just no way I could have expressed it quite as eloquently. :p

You just need to think about boobies as much as I do. :eek: :)

Heck, not too long ago, I had a guy explain to me that pubic hair on women was not only "disgusting" but "unnatural." When I pointed out that this seemed to be some strange and novel definition of "unnatural" which I had not previously encountered, he explained (I swear I'm not kidding) that he'd "seen hundreds of naked women" and none of them had pubic hair...except for his ex-girlfriend.

"Gee," I thought. "I wonder where you've seen all these "natural" naked women..."
Exactically. Couldn't make it up if you wanted to.

That's exactly what I meant, I can totally see that happen. Sure, most people won't actually go around blabbing about it like that guy, but I'm sure the thoughts are definitely there.

Thank you for making me seem less paranoid. :p

You just need to think about boobies as much as I do. :eek: :)
You know, it's funny - when you have your own pair, the allure is actually not all that big. :p

I haven't seen this topic on here before so here it comes:

What is your stance on aestethic surgery?
(For the sake of the debate, let's omit the reconstruction burnt faces etc., and focus solely on surgery to change your appearance, i.e. boob jobs, liposuction in cases where overweight is not a medical problem etc.)
Meh. I've got piercings and tattoos, so I'd be a total jackass if I sat here and talked shit about people who modify their bodies through other means.

I think it's sad that some people are literally willing to risk death in order to get plastic balloons shoved into their chests. I think it's tragic that some people are willing to spend their life savings having their nose "fixed" 17 times. But I know plenty of people who think I'm sick and twisted for spending my money on having needles shoved through my skin. My personal discomfort with elective cosmetic surgery doesn't mean a damn thing when it comes to another person's choice about what to do with their body. As long as they are satisfied with their choice, then it was a good one.

This topic is starting to get... really dirty.

I think that people should be allowed to have cosmetic surgery unless they are under 18 ish.

This topic is starting to get... really dirty.
Not really, unless you decide that vaginas and boobies are dirty. And if the vaginas and boobies in your life are dirty, I can suggest a delightful bubble bath for you.

;)

Not really, unless you decide that vaginas and boobies are dirty. And if the vaginas and boobies in your life are dirty, I can suggest a delightful bubble bath for you.

;)
No no you missunderstand what I mean when I say dirty.

Not really, unless you decide that vaginas and boobies are dirty. And if the vaginas and boobies in your life are dirty, I can suggest a delightful bubble bath for you.

;)

I agree. A nice big bubble bath for everyone! Females only, of course. Except for me.

Interesting topic, especially as I have been strongly considering a breast reduction, although it's not for aesthetic reasons. I'd just rather have less weight on my chest, have less back and neck pain, etc.

As far as aesthetic or cosmetic surgery is concerned, I think that it is somewhat ridiculous. I understand that in some instances it can give a person some added self confidence which is beneficial to a person's mental health. However, I think it's a shame that appearance is such a strong factor in many people's self confidence.

Either way, it's ultimately a personal choice and it doesn't matter what I think.

You know, it's funny - when you have your own pair, the allure is actually not all that big. :p

Hmm. Lend me yours and I'll try to confirm this. :D

Hey, as long as THEY are paying for it, whatever. I wouldn't do it, but...there are worse things we do to ourselves, honestly. Smoking is worse than a nose job in my book.

Interesting topic, especially as I have been strongly considering a breast reduction, although it's not for aesthetic reasons. I'd just rather have less weight on my chest, have less back and neck pain, etc.


You know, my coworker just got a breast reduction...she was a size J. She looks a lot better now and is healthier, and hopefully the muscle will grow back from where her bra straps used to dig deep into her shoulders. But it was a very hard surgery and her breasts will never look normal again...there's all sorts of awful puckering where they stitched her up, and her nipples aren't very...nipply? (You can imagine, we were all very curious.)

There have been girls in back in my highschool who got boob jobs from their parents as graduation presents, and this was about four years ago. I hate pretty much everything to do with aesthetic surgery, I happen to find the natural look quite beautiful, and just the attitude of paying money to inject poision into your body for vainity is sadening.

That said, for some reason I dont have a problem with braces, which isnt exactly surgery, but its painful and expensive and done in the name of aesthetics.

You know, my coworker just got a breast reduction...she was a size J.

I didn't even know they HAD a size J!

Is that J for... Jesus Christ wouldja look at those! ?

I knew a girl with plain D's who wanted reduction surgery to help her back.

You know, my coworker just got a breast reduction...she was a size J. She looks a lot better now and is healthier, and hopefully the muscle will grow back from where her bra straps used to dig deep into her shoulders. But it was a very hard surgery and her breasts will never look normal again...there's all sorts of awful puckering where they stitched her up, and her nipples aren't very...nipply? (You can imagine, we were all very curious.)


Omigosh! I'm only in the D-range. Poor woman! I did have a chance when I was much younger to have my mom's insurance pay for the reduction, but I was hesitant for similar reasons. I saw before-and-after pictures where the breasts looked triangular as opposed to round. Also, I scar really bad and I would hate to have deformed anatomy. I'm also a little nervous about how much it might hurt after the surgery. It's a really hard decision.

Omigosh! I'm only in the D-range. Poor woman! I did have a chance when I was much younger to have my mom's insurance pay for the reduction, but I was hesitant for similar reasons. I saw before-and-after pictures where the breasts looked triangular as opposed to round. Also, I scar really bad and I would hate to have deformed anatomy. I'm also a little nervous about how much it might hurt after the surgery. It's a really hard decision.

Yeah, I'd say hold off and see how it goes. Especially if you want to have kids and breastfeed...she is 36 and she said they just kept getting bigger after every pregnancy, so she's glad she didn't try it earlier or it might have been ruined anyway.

Yeah, I'd say hold off and see how it goes. Especially if you want to have kids and breastfeed...she is 36 and she said they just kept getting bigger after every pregnancy, so she's glad she didn't try it earlier or it might have been ruined anyway.

I'm 32 and already have a kid. They were Cs before I had him, shot up to EEs, then settled in the Ds, but I swear they keep getting bigger. I will wait for a while. Perhaps if I excercise my lazy butt more often, they'll shrink.

I had rhinoplasty (a nose job) when I was 17, and I can't imagine going through that atrocious pain ever again. The actual surgery didn't hurt, but Christ, after the medicine wore off, I thought I was going to die. I don't know why people get multiple surgeries... masochists. But hey, if they feel like getting it done, whatever. It's not my problem.

Oh, and I've seriously asked myself how many kids today even know what "real" breasts look like. Every teenage guy can get their porn off the internet, and a huge majority of the women have breast implants.
Every porn-watching person should be required to watch classics like Deep Throat, The Opening of Misty Beethoven, and Debbie Does Dallas to realise how people are supposed to look D:!