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http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=2134464

Mind probes? Are you kidding me? If some "scientist" came and tried to tell me this sort of thing actually worked, I would put him out on the street, along with his little toy.

I am astonished at both the possible gullibility of the government, and the certain gullibility of the ACLU.

But will tinfoil work?
:p

Damn, I thought you were handing out tinfoil hats for a second there. :(

But will tinfoil work?
:p

According to MIT, no.

http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/

Well, it is plausible. Certain brain centers will "light up" on an MRI when a person is lying. EEG's are admissible in court as evidence of truth now. It's really quite astounding technology.

Admittedly, the way they phrased the article is a little sensational, and some of that might just be poor journalism, (especially the parts about images and sounds). One can use an EEG or an MRI to see whether or not a person has ever been to a certain place before though. The process goes as follows:

1) Show the person a picture of the place they supposedly were.

2) If they actually were there, then their memory center will light up on the EEG/MRI.

3) If they weren't, then no hippocampal activity.

(AP Psychology ftw.)

According to MIT, no.

http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/


We're all doomed!!!

Nooooooooooo, get out of my mind!!!! Arrrrrrrrgh:gundge:

I am astonished at both the possible gullibility of the government.
We're talking about people who thought a video capture of BF:Vietnam was evidence of an al-Qaeda computer game programme to indoctrinate American youth. :rolleyes:

Well, it is plausible. Certain brain centers will "light up" on an MRI when a person is lying. EEG's are admissible in court as evidence of truth now. It's really quite astounding technology.

Admittedly, the way they phrased the article is a little sensational, and some of that might just be poor journalism, (especially the parts about images and sounds). One can use an EEG or an MRI to see whether or not a person has ever been to a certain place before though. The process goes as follows:

1) Show the person a picture of the place they supposedly were.

2) If they actually were there, then their memory center will light up on the EEG/MRI.

3) If they weren't, then no hippocampal activity.

(AP Psychology ftw.)


Too weird. You mean, I don't even have to ask the person, just show them the picture?

Would showing someone a picture, and non-invasively checking his brain be considered torture?

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=2134464

Mind probes?

It's not so much a mind probe as like a kind of radar that can map the brain in realtime.

Are you kidding me? If some "scientist" came and tried to tell me this sort of thing actually worked, I would put him out on the street, along with his little toy.

Well, it works in the sense that it can 'scan' a brain. No problem, its real science. The questionable part isn't technological, its human: can we analyze the data to determine whether someone is lying? Always, or is it 50/50?

We're talking about people who thought a video capture of BF:Vietnam was evidence of an al-Qaeda computer game programme to indoctrinate American youth. :rolleyes:


LOL, you got a point there:D

Wired Magazine had a great, informative article about these "brain scan" lie detectors awhile back. It's too long to post here, so I'll just give the link:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.01/lying_pr.html

It's a very interesting read, by the way.

Too weird. You mean, I don't even have to ask the person, just show them the picture?

Would showing someone a picture, and non-invasively checking his brain be considered torture?

That's more an ethics question than an engineering question... I'll leave that to the PR department. :p

I dare them to scan my brain. :)

Too weird. You mean, I don't even have to ask the person, just show them the picture?
Memory recall is funny that way. Besides, the brain LOVES reconition and we're very, very visual creatures.

Would showing someone a picture, and non-invasively checking his brain be considered torture?
I could see issues with it. The brain lights up, but you're still left with the job of trying to figure out what that means. For example, have you ever been to... hmm... Rome?

I dare them to scan my brain. :)
I would be very, very scared to see your brain scan. :D

I dare them to scan my brain. :)

Error: No target found

:p

Well, it's more like showing them a picture of the crime scene, or the victim, or the murder weapon. It's all about recognition.

Error: No target found

:p


:p :p

I would be very, very scared to see your brain scan. :D

Here is what you would see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGbiv-nkezc&search=sixcharacters

your head a splode!

Error: No target found

:p

:eek:

:p

Can't wait to start questioning terrorist suspects with this puppy.

Die foil die! :sniper:

Oh kick ass! I've been meaning to try out my new tin foil hat.

Apparently you should go to MIT for the Tinfoil Hat Effectiveness Test.

Tin foil hats? I thought you guys were more up on your technology than that. Modern mind-shield hats are made using high conductivity beryllium copper alloy foil. Some high-end models sandwich the beryllium copper between sheets of ferrotitanium alloy, but that's overkill in my opinion.
http://www.profileking.org/smilies/53.gif

Why worry? Human collectively have what, four or five actual brains? Big market for a mind probe here folks.

Why worry? Human collectively have what, four or five actual brains? Big market for a mind probe here folks.

YAY! :D

But will tinfoil work?
:p
:p
According to MIT, no.

http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/
:p Thank God for Scientists.

Whenever these stupid topics come up where idiots talk about tin-foil hats, i cannot help but be disgusted by their shameful, idiotic ignorance.

What's wrong with these goddamned fools?



Lead sheeting is easily available online and the ammount required to make a rudimentary helmet, shipping included, is about thirty dollars.

Common sense, people.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=2134464

Mind probes? Are you kidding me? If some "scientist" came and tried to tell me this sort of thing actually worked, I would put him out on the street, along with his little toy.

I am astonished at both the possible gullibility of the government, and the certain gullibility of the ACLU.
Sorry to pop your bubble (I know how much you love to diss the ACLU), but the technology isn't tin-foil hat terroitory.

Computers 'set to read our minds'

An "emotionally aware" computer system designed to read people's minds by analysing expressions will be featured at a major London exhibition.
Visitors to the Royal Society Summer Science Exhibition are being invited to help "train" the computer how to read joy, anger and other expressions.

Its designers say there are potential commercial uses, such as picking the right time to sell someone something.

But it may also help improve driver safety and help people with autism.

The computer, which is connected to a camera, locates and tracks 24 facial "feature points" such as the edge of the nose, the eyebrows and the corners of the mouth.

A total of 20 key facial movements - including a nod or shake of the head, a raise of the eyebrow or a pull on the corner of the mouth - have been identified.

Combinations of these movements, which are thought to represent underlying emotions, are then fed into software and used to detect the same facial combinations in real-life situations.

Computers to read our minds (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5116762.stm)

'Thoughts read' via brain scans

Scientists say they have been able to monitor people's thoughts via scans of their brains.
Teams at University College London and University of California in LA could tell what images people were looking at or what sounds they were listening to.

The US team say their study proves brain scans do relate to brain cell electrical activity.

The UK team say such research might help paralysed people communicate, using a "thought-reading" computer.
'Thoughts read' via brain scans (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4715327.stm)

Why worry? Human collectively have what, four or five actual brains? Big market for a mind probe here folks.

Four or five seems like too high of a number to me.

Four or five seems like too high of a number to me.

I dunno, there is more to humanity than NSGen...

I dunno, there is more to humanity than NSGen...

Actually, I would think better of humanity if this was it.

They call this progress. There's something to be said for a good, old-fashioned flogging.

so THAT's what was up with that one thing in Signs where they all wore Tin foil hats...strange.

Looks like my secret underground torture cham....I mean, uh...bomb shelter...will come in handy after all. Glad I forked out extra for the lead lined walls.

tinfoil hats will not work against it.

I dunno, there is more to humanity than NSGen...

Hell, theres no more to reality than NSG.:D

Would showing someone a picture, and non-invasively checking his brain be considered torture?

Not torture, but from a privacy perspective. And I certainly would want to know a bit more regarding the range factor. Will they come out with the equivalent of a cops radar gun?

If they do, say goodbye privacy, hello thought police. And don't you dare argue that what goes on in my brain is not within the bounds of privacy.

tinfoil hats will not work against it.
You need a nice, big, cast-iron helmet. That'll show the MRI machine who's boss! :D

I dare them to scan my brain. :)

I'd say you don't have a brain. What you've got is the entire library consisting of the works of Disney, Charlie Chaplin, Rowan Atkinson, and all the comedians who ever existed stored in a crystalline storage matrix with a logic selection unit in that noggin of yours.

As a result, any scan on your head would come back as "Format not recognized"

I'd say you don't have a brain. What you've got is the entire library consisting of the works of Disney, Charlie Chaplin, Rowan Atkinson, and all the comedians who ever existed stored in a crystalline storage matrix with a logic selection unit in that noggin of yours.

As a result, any scan on your head would come back as "Format not recognized"

Yeah.

Why? Is this leading somewhere?

We're talking about people who thought a video capture of BF:Vietnam was evidence of an al-Qaeda computer game programme to indoctrinate American youth. :rolleyes:
It was BF2, I thought...

You need a nice, big, cast-iron helmet. That'll show the MRI machine who's boss! :D
Lead ftw!

Lead ftw!
Nah, lead ain't magnetic ;)

Yeah.

Why? Is this leading somewhere?

No. Nothing at all. *whistles tunelessly*

Immensely interesting. I need to get me one of those. Use it on my stalking routes.

Nah, lead ain't magnetic ;)
Ah, but it's very, very dense. If they tried too hard to read your brain, the lead'd fly up and smash the machine

It would probably break your face on re-impact, but I'd rather be mangled than thought-scanned!

No. Nothing at all. *whistles tunelessly*

I bet you expected me to refute it.

Well I can't. :p