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Which one do you prefer and why? Personally I love punk and hate emo. I can't see why somebody would like to listen to dull, consumeristic music about suicide when you can listen to music wrought with energy telling people to stuff the leaders of this world (i.e. Bush). However, I have a few friends who have suddenly been infected with this emo-ism. So, which genre is the better?

Which one do you prefer and why? Personally I love punk and hate emo. I can't see why somebody would like to listen to dull, consumeristic music about suicide when you can listen to music wrought with energy telling people to stuff the leaders of this world (i.e. Bush). However, I have a few friends who have suddenly been infected with this emo-ism. So, which genre is the better?
I like them both. I'm not regimented to one or the other, although I'm predominately emo. Punks have better music and fashion, but my attitude is sort of emo.

Which one do you prefer and why? Personally I love punk and hate emo. I can't see why somebody would like to listen to dull, consumeristic music about suicide when you can listen to music wrought with energy telling people to stuff the leaders of this world (i.e. Bush). However, I have a few friends who have suddenly been infected with this emo-ism. So, which genre is the better?


Oh dude, I tottally thought you called Bush (the band) punk. I was going to have to snipe you, but I realized my mistake. I dunno, I don't believe real punk has come out for like.... 20-30 years tho.....

Punk. I don't really need to state why.

Oh dude, I tottally thought you called Bush (the band) punk.

My idea of punk is The Sex Pistols, The Clash and The Ramones but some people say it's Green Day but I tend to view them as more 'poppy'.

My idea of punk is The Sex Pistols, The Clash and The Ramones but some people say it's Green Day but I tend to view them as more 'poppy'.
Pink Floyd?

I voted emo. Am i bad? :p

I voted emo. Am i bad? :p

You'd probably say you were.

I voted emo. Am i bad? :p
No, you're an individual who's discriminated against.
I voted emo and I don't care.

Punk. The music's better. Who gives a shit about the attitude?

Real, actual "emo" came from American Hardcore Punk, back around '84-'85.

Itws called that derisively by the skins and the tough hardcore kids because it didn't always scream about hate, but talked about regret and insecurity as well.

Bands of that era, such as Iron Cross, Negative Approach and the (very early) Cro-Mags (I use these examples because I know them well) spoke litanies of hate or summations of violence agqainst enemies, personal and political, within and outside of the Scene.

Emo bands, the first and most legitimate being Embrace and Rites of Spring, merely wanted to admit that they had feelings and thoughts other than those related only to rage, hate, and bloodthirst.

In that regard, "emo" bands WERE Hardcore. And Hardcore IS PUNK.

Shitty MTV crybabies who mope and gesticulate on the Carson Daly show are neither "emo" nor "punk".

By the way, I am a big booster for all of the bands named above; the Cro-Mags' first album is f@ckin' awesome (skinhead krishna apocalypse!), Negative Approach defined hXc, and Iron Cross are probably the first true DC Skinhead band that didn't suck balls.
But R.O.S. and Embrace came from the old DC xxXstr8edgeXxx, and were truly powerful.

Fuck the Clash and the fuckin' Ramones. That shit is mall-rock. It got taken away from "punk" over 25 years ago...it's frat music.

Most of the emos I know don't listen to emo music. They are more into manga than cutting.
I myself am emo and I like listening to everything except bluegrass. It's just a stupid stereotype.

:eek: Oh_Noez! So what we thought was emo is not emo and what we thought is punk is not punk. Well out of the two emo (in the commonly understood sense) best of the bunch IMO...but all the genre sub-dividing and "oh, i hate people who like this sort of music" is a bit yawnsome. Spose some music in every genre are good (except R&B, i refuse to stoop to that level of musical relativism!!!)

Most of the emos I know don't listen to emo music. They are more into manga than cutting.
I myself am emo and I like listening to everything except bluegrass. It's just a stupid stereotype.

Bluegrass is bonjo-y goodness.

Bluegrass is bonjo-y goodness.
:sniper:
And it's banjo.

Punk is dead.

The only Punk I like is Hardcore and the stuff from the first wave.

Emo is not emo.

Emo (or more specifically emo pop?) has horrible guitaring and the vocals are bad. Also they're all starting to sound alike. Therefore...

... Iunno, I guess I like Punk more by convenience, blegh.

:sniper:
And it's banjo.

Whoops! I was thinking of bongos when I wrote that and kind of merged the two words.

You are missing a few there.

Pop-punk, like Green Day and Good Charolette. You know, bands that want to be called "punk," but then get ballads played on top 40 radio.

Emo-core, for which there are few good examples in the current marketplace, but is a little more like punk than the pop-punk which is sometimes categorized as emo.

Whoops! I was thinking of bongos when I wrote that and kind of merged the two words.
Banjos shall burn on Judgment Day!!!

Depends on what type of punk, if you are talking about old school british punk i'm all for it.

But shitty american pop punk is almost as bad as emo.

Depends on what type of punk, if you are talking about old school british punk i'm all for it.

But shitty american pop punk is almost as bad as emo.
Pink Floyd!!!

Yay for the Clash, Sex Pistols and the Rammones.

Some people say that Greenday are Emo...i dont agree with that.

That said the only reason i started listening to the 3 listed was because i started listening to Greenday not so long ago...and im glad i did :)

HEY! I happen to like Greenday.

Pink Floyd!!!

The Floyd were progressive, and certainly not punk.

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The answer is that both suck these days, but that the idea of punk was a better one. These days, the only punk we get is pre-filtered violence (coming out of the hardcore scenes) or pop-punk with no new ideas and no musical origionality. Neither deserves any respect. The only Emo still around is either not Emo at all, or so burned by the labels placed on it that it is unable to evolve or better itself.

Basically, I have yet to see a punk scene I felt had anything to do with the ideas of punk and I have yet to see an Emo scene anywhere.

In other news, I'm reading an interesting book about Punk in DC. For anyone interested, pick up a copy of "Dance of Days:Two Decades of Punk in the Nation's Capital"

HEY! I happen to like Greenday.
Me, too! Fave song?

HEY! I happen to like Greenday.

*throws up*

mumbles.... i guess their old stuff is allright

HEY! I happen to like Greenday.

I'm sorry.

... Maybe their earliest stuff was ok, but the rest sucks. American Idiot makes me want to shoot myself.

HEY! I happen to like Greenday.
I am a huge Green Day fan, although their stuff post 95 sucks ass....

I'm sorry.

... Maybe their earliest stuff was ok, but the rest sucks. American Idiot makes me want to shoot myself.
Go right on ahead. I certainly won't stop you.

Dookie was without doubt their best work.

Dookie was without doubt their best work.
I beg to differ, it was in fact the begining of the end.

*listens to her Slappy LP that she has had since she was a little one*

Go right on ahead. I certainly won't stop you.

Here, I'll rephrase to be nice:

Green Day is a greedy, obnoxious bunch of sell outs who couldn't care less about politics and ideals and who only include political songs to try and grant themselves some level of credibility. Their music is a clone of a thousand better groups, the plot of their so-called "great" Rock Opera (heralded, falsely, as the 'first punk rock opera') includes far too many ideas from "Zen Arcade" by Husker Du to have any credibility. The fact that they are credited as good music because of their latest album is a cause of great depression for me.

Is that less offensive to you? :rolleyes:

Me, too! Fave song?

Tough call. "Dominated Love Slave", but it has those dreaded Banjos. ;)

On the whole, I'd give it a toss up between "Welcome to Paradise" and "F.O.D."

Dookie was without doubt their best work.

A fine album, to be sure. I like Nimrod, myself.

Why am I talking about punk? I listen to pop.

A fine album, to be sure. I like Nimrod, myself.
I liked Nimrod a great deal, it seemed odd to me how people talked about it being this great big new Green Day experience though when it was very Kerplunk

but, hey, most people don't remember back past Dookie, so whatever.

Why am I talking about punk? I listen to pop.


cus punk is class whereas pop is a load of shite

Why am I talking about punk? I listen to pop.

A lot of people do ... that's why it's called POPular. :) The Beatles were pop and they are one of the greatest band ever. U2, also pop, also a phenominal musical force.

People often mistake pop for bubblegum. Buddy Holly - brilliant - was pop.

Never be ashamed of listening to pop.

cus punk is class whereas pop is a load of shite
Not if it's done correctly. Madonna vs. Britney. Blondie vs. Aguilera.

I beg to differ, it was in fact the begining of the end.

*listens to her Slappy LP that she has had since she was a little one*
It's a great album. It's way better than Kerplunk!...and I do like Having A Blast.

As much as I like Green Day, I still wouldn't mind if they were strung up outside the town hall for their version of My Generation.

A lot of people do ... that's why it's called POPular. :) The Beatles were pop and they are one of the greatest band ever. U2, also pop, also a phenominal musical force.

People often mistake pop for bubblegum. Buddy Holly - brilliant - was pop.

Never be ashamed of listening to pop.
N'Sync sucked though. And Britney sucked after the first album. My heart is for Madonna and other eighties pop artists.

I don't believe real punk has come out for like.... 20-30 years tho.....


THANK YOU!!! Finally someone who would more then likely agree with me when I say the punk bands of today are no more then little rich boys trying to make it big. Damn posers.

I'd also like to add that thier music in no way is punk.

Punk is Emo.
Emo is Punk.

Both is the same shit, just different lyrics.

Not if it's done correctly. Madonna vs. Britney. Blondie vs. Aguilera.


true true. however a load of shite artists are gettin into it. anywho im too tired to argue. :( anyway. punk is better than emo. attitude and musicaly.

It's a great album. It's way better than Kerplunk!...and I do like Having A Blast.

As much as I like Green Day, I still wouldn't mind if they were strung up outside the town hall for their version of My Generation.
I like the original LP's best, then Kerplunk! then Nimrod, then Dookie, then Insomniac, then Warning , then way way far American Idiot.

I liked Nimrod a great deal, it seemed odd to me how people talked about it being this great big new Green Day experience though when it was very Kerplunk


I've actually really enjoyed watching Green Day evolve from that unknwon obscurity who caught a lucky break on the David Letterman show to the poignant affectations and deep emotional poetry that is American Idiot.

Sure, they got lucky with the anthem "Time of Your Life", but I've yet to meet a musician who hasn't said, "Man, I'd love to write an anthem!" If success as a musician means "selling out" to the jealous crowds, I tip my glass to Billy Joe and the Boys.

But, then, when you pour your heart out for the world to see (such as Billy Joe greiving the death of his father with "When September Ends"), regardless of what people may think, it is a bold maneuver. Dangerous and risky.

Emo or Punk? Well, I think...*eyes roll up into skull*



Who gives a flagellating fuck WHAT a bunch of obnoxious, undereducated, whiny, little teenage maggots put in their crass-consumerist mp3 players? It's gonna suck no matter what genre-splintering, micro- (pico-? femto-? atto-?) market it's aimed at. And then they're gonna buy the clothes that mark them as listeners of said splinter because they think that makes them cool and identifies them as X. Fuck X. X sucks.

"Emo-core"? WTF? Jesus Tapdancing Christ, just call it music and listen to WHATEVER YOU LIKE! Making judgments about other human beings based on what consumer muzak they choose is just plain stupid. Are you going to think Bluegrass or Country is stupid when the guy blaring Toby Keith pulls over to help you change a flat tire or call 911 if you're hurt?

Listen to what you like and leave anyone else to do the same.



Whoa...eyes rolled up into my head for a second there. What was the topic again?

I find it horrible that Green Day is even being discussed in such a conversation. Everyone should know they were just picked up by a corporation and told this is what they would sing about and how they would sound and blah blah blah, and of course every man has his price so they bought into all that rubbish. Onto the actual subject, I believe punk is greatest, seeing as how from punk came post-punk, goth, two-tone, horror punk, psychobilly, and hardcore. Many other genres were birthed from the punk wave in the late 70's/early 80's. Every punk band was different as well then, (i.e. Sex Pistols were destructive, The Damned was horror-esque, Siouxsie and the Banshees were goth, and The Clash was politcal) However, if you listen to emo, and I mean real emo, like Sunny Day Real Estate, you will understand that this genre is very underated by the obscure world.

true true. however a load of shite artists are gettin into it. anywho im too tired to argue. :( anyway. punk is better than emo. attitude and musicaly.
I agree.
And Intangelon...:cool:

N'Sync sucked though. And Britney sucked after the first album.

Well they're bubblegum pop. Huge difference. :D

My heart is for Madonna and other eighties pop artists.

Hooray! "Like a Virgin" was one of the first albums I bought with my own money.

Yeah, I'm sort of emo and I hate it when people make fun of emo kids. I like all kinds of music though. My fave band is Franz Ferdinand, and they are definitely not emo. :p

Yeah, I'm sort of emo and I hate it when people make fun of emo kids. I like all kinds of music though. My fave band is Franz Ferdinand, and they are definitely not emo. :p

I challenge your Franz Ferdinand band with my band "Princip"

Hooray! "Like a Virgin" was one of the first albums I bought with my own money.
I still haven't bought a CD with my own money. I ask and receive...

Not if it's done correctly. Madonna vs. Britney. Blondie vs. Aguilera.
Well put.

To borrow from They Might Be Giants:

XTC vs. Adam Ant.

Good grief, folks, it's music. It isn't like you're choosing an elected official. You genre-ists are essentially telling me that if someone who was compatible with you in every possible way EXCEPT that they liked pop music, you wouldn't date them. What complete gits. Naff ones at that.

I challenge your Franz Ferdinand band with my band "Princip"
:sniper: Princip got shot.

:sniper: Princip got shot.

So did Franz Ferdinand and his wife Sophie.

I still haven't bought a CD with my own money. I ask and receive...

Well nowdays ya don't have to. Just download it.

Good grief, folks, it's music. It isn't like you're choosing an elected official. You genre-ists are essentially telling me that if someone who was compatible with you in every possible way EXCEPT that they liked pop music, you wouldn't date them. What complete gits. Naff ones at that.
Thank you! Couldn't say it better myself.

N'Sync sucked though. And Britney sucked after the first album. My heart is for Madonna and other eighties pop artists.
Britney sucked after the first CD because all subsequent CDs were very similar. Madonna at least had the savvy to re-invent herself with every CD. I don't like Madonna, but I certainly respect her. Britney can't even sing a tune if it's not in C-minor. Check out her hits; (Crazy, Baby One More Time, Toxic, etc.) all in C-minor.

Good grief, folks, it's music.

Hey ... music is my life. It is my life's blood. It pays my electric bill and keeps me in high speed internet service so I can waste large chunks of my life playing World of Warcraft and talking to you people. It was my first love and has never been unfaithful to me.

With musicians, it's never *just* music.

However, I wouldn't kick someone out of my bed just for musical tastes. I'd have to try to convert them a little first.

Well nowdays ya don't have to. Just download it.
Yay for iTunes and its magic!!!
You can't find some musical stuff on there.

What would one class the Offspring as?
They are fucking ace

I like the original LP's best, then Kerplunk! then Nimrod, then Dookie, then Insomniac, then Warning , then way way far American Idiot.
I agree with you on AI. And Warning. Kerplunk! is ok, it has some really good songs on it (Welcome to Paradise is way better than on Dookie - smooth production just doesn't suit that type of song), but overall I prefer Dookie. After that they really went downhill. Then fell off the mountain with AI.

Emo or Punk? Well, I think...*eyes roll up into skull*


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Whoa...eyes rolled up into my head for a second there. What was the topic again?
Hey, I've missed you from the music threads...;)

Most of the emos I know don't listen to emo music. They are more into manga than cutting.
I myself am emo and I like listening to everything except bluegrass. It's just a stupid stereotype.
I like bluegrass. Why isn't bluegrass an option?:p

What would one class the Offspring as?
They are fucking ace
I'd say pop, but I'm not the expert.

I like bluegrass. Why isn't bluegrass an option?:p
If you ever go to Busch Gardens in Williamsburg, you'll know why...

What would one class the Offspring as?
They were fucking ace
That's better. Then they got crap, about ten years ago.

What would one class the Offspring as?
They are fucking ace

Heh ... I dunno, but I have fun memories of hearing that damned "gotta keep 'em separated" song 3,000 times a day on the radio.

I'd say pop, but I'm not the expert.

Close. Most people classify them as pop-punk, with their earlier work tending more towards punk and their later work tending towards pop. When they were doing stuff like "Baghdad" (A very good song about the first Gulf War), they were doing very punk stuff, but "Pretty Fly for a White Guy" is blatant pop.

If you ever go to Busch Gardens in Williamsburg, you'll know why...

*shudder*

*shudder*
You been there? Banjos everywhere in New France :(

You been there? Banjos everywhere in New France :(

Oh I've been there and the one in Galveston. They're the same banjo onslaught.

It's actually kinda creepy.

I find it horrible that Green Day is even being discussed in such a conversation. Everyone should know they were just picked up by a corporation and told this is what they would sing about and how they would sound and blah blah blah, and of course every man has his price so they bought into all that rubbish.
and you can KMA (sorry still have a Billy Joe thing left over from when I was 11)

They Might Be Giants
now that's music, they still rock. haha, my kids and I can listen to them for hours.....

Oh I've been there and the one in Galveston. They're the same banjo onslaught.

It's actually kinda creepy.
I hate Howl-O-Scream, too. The clowns...

"Pretty Fly for a White Guy" is blatant pop.

Oddly enough that is probably their worst song.

Oddly enough that is probably their worst song.

For some reason I don't find the two concepts opposed at all. :p

ok fuck it i need to stay awake for just this.. it is never just music. it is life. go play in traffic to whoever thinks different :p

I liked a punk girl...but I was a Communist....go figger

Bluegrass is bonjo-y goodness.

What a facinating new instument. I need to pick one up sometime.

:P

Anyways. Punks and Emos both suck equally.

some people say it's Green Day but I tend to view them as more 'poppy'.
These people need to be taken out back and beaten with heavy pointy sticks. GD hovers on the nebulous line between pop and alternative rock. It comes nowhere near a punk designation.

Note - my post does not consider anything done by them pre-2002. So far as I'm concerned, they were a completely different band that just happened to have the same name.

I don't give two shits what sub-branch of rock'n'roll you want to argue was or was not punk, in my book:

The Clash=Punk as Fuck.

To me, if you have to apply labels, punk is a vague attitude involving solidarity among humanity, a no-bullshit attitude, anti-establishment sentiments, a support for new music in your scene and a love for music and its fans. The Clash, especially the late Joe Strummer, epitomised that.

And hell, without the Clash, a lot of white guys wouldn't be listening to a lot of black music.

Punk all the way.

Punk, by far.

Maybe Emo listeners wouldn't get teased so much if there weren't an insane amount of people reinforcing the stereotype.. like at my school... all for the attention...

Umm I think ska should be on this poll.. it's good shit.. I'm 50/50 between punk & ska.

Real emo is more 'punk' then alot of what passes for punk.

I like crust, hardcore, emo, powerviolence and grind, all of which falls within the genre of punk. ;)

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Hey, I've missed you from the music threads...;)
Thanks. There haven't been all that many to post to that have inspired me to do so. The sub-sub-sub-subgenre topic gets on my nerves enough. When combined with judging folks by what they listen to, you get RantBoy. In fact, I'm posting this same rant in the "enough emos already" thread. Watch for it.

Emo is not a genre its a fashion

Emo is not a genre its a fashion

Old man pants and Spock hair isn't a fashion, it's a disgrace.

Dude, comparing Punk to emo is like comparing chocolate to shit, based solely on the fact that both are brown in colour.

Punk. The music's better. Who gives a shit about the attitude?

Yup.

Punk, at its best, is a brash statement against the status-quo, and a compliment to the culture.

Emo is a stain upon it.

Even New Age Punk is better than Emo, which is just pop for the angsty teen.

Punk all the way. Love the music, love the lyrics.... Well most of the time, there are some punks bands that write songs made to just piss people off rather than actually contain a meaningful message.

I don't like emo at all, I think it's just annoying. I don't really have a problem with people who listen to it, just don't like it. Like country for instance; I hate country, but a friend of mine likes it and we're tight.

What I hate though, a lot of people these days listen to bands like Blink 182 and Sum41 and consider themselves "punk rockers." It's referred to as "pop-punk" but to me there is no such thing. Pop-punk is just a name given to the alt-rock bands that some people listen to in order to give themselves a "rebellious teen" feeling.

I certainly understand why someone would listen to such bands because they like the music, but when someone walks up to me or someone else in my band and say some shit like, "You're punk too?! Yah, I love punk, especially stuff like Sum41's 'Were All To Blame.'" It pisses me off, mainly because these are the same people who call themselves punk rockers and then turn their noses up at bands like Anti-Flag or Lower Class Brats because it's "anti-government." Well no shit, part of the Punk definition is anti-establishment for christ's sake! What in the hell do they expect a real punk band to be about?

And just for the hell of it, I'm going to list some of my favorite punk bands in no particular order, just because I can. :p

Anti-Flag
The Unseen
A Global Threat
Lower Class Brats
Operation Ivy
Against Me! (except for that more recent album, it sucks ass)
None More Black
The Letters Organize
Only Crime
Smoke Or Fire
Strike Anywhere
Resist And Exist
Avail
Minor Threat
Hot Water Music
Hot Snakes
The Draft
Agnostic Front
The Clash
The Ramones
The Exploited
Dead Kennedy's
Deviates
The Descendents
The Germs
Good Riddance
Pennywise
Propagandhi
Pulley
Strung Out
The Suicide Machines
Youth Brigade

Yeah, there's a shitload more, but it'd be a looooooooong list :D