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It's breaking news on CNN...

So there's no more government in Holland?

Not the current one, anyway.

Stoned anarchy!

ANARCHY!
ANARCHY!

So there's no more government in Holland?
It's like when the Canadian government was dissolved last year; it doesn't mean the country goes without government.

Freggin' finally, that Verdonk-situation was getting out of hand... In the beginning of the day Balkenende (our PM) said everything was cool and there was nothing to worry about... A couple of hours later he said that he would be damned if the parlement disbanded and one hour later the news swept through the country that the parlement has fallen... Yay for that... This is the second time under this PM that they didnt make it till the end, idiots!

Anyhoo, the government pretty much stays the way it is, they just has to resign officially but keep doing their thing until the new elections.

The ENTIRE government?! :eek:

ANARCHY!!!

Row brings down Dutch government

The Dutch government is resigning after losing the support of one of its coalition partners, says Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende.

D66, the coalition's smallest member, withdrew its support in a row over Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk.

Ms Verdonk had threatened to strip former politician Ayaan Hirsi Ali of her Dutch passport because of false information she gave in 1992.

Mr Balkenende said he would tender the government's resignation on Friday.
source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5131240.stm)


The problem with coalition governments. A minority group can hold the rest to ransom.

It's like when the Canadian government was dissolved last year; it doesn't mean the country goes without government.
Damn.

I Call President.

Elect me!

I Call President.

Ha! The netherlands is a monarchy!

I call King!

Dibs on Secretary of Defense!

Dibs on the volleyball team.

Why didn't people see that this is the latest case of Islamofascist terrorism? They clearly forced the government to resign so they can move in and start their Caliphate™.

:rolleyes:

Why didn't people see that this is the latest case of Islamofascist terrorism? They clearly forced the government to resign so they can move in and start their Caliphate™.

:rolleyes:

More likely, it's a government made up of little pieces that can't stay in agreement.

The problem with coalition governments. A minority group can hold the rest to ransom.
And topple a government unfit to govern.

*sighs in relief*
Finally this farce of a coalition ends.

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:p

(It's funny if you know Dutch and know what's going on >.>)

Finaly the top of the iceberg has been reported,the voting box beeing the next one..:D

Let the politicking begin!

gets a bucket of popcorn shrimp some Belgian beir and a La-Z-Boy recliner to watch the fireworks.

Since it sounds like they'll let anyone emigrate there, maybe I should move there and become the leader of the Genocide Party.

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:p

(It's funny if you know Dutch and know what's going on >.>)

:D Good one!

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:p

(It's funny if you know Dutch and know what's going on >.>)

like those 2 are representatief....

Wahf!!!!!!!

But i guess nobody ever read ibn batouta?

JAAAAAAA DIE NEDERLANDS!!!!!!! :eek:

JAAAAAAA DIE NEDERLANDS!!!!!!! :eek:
we'll just emigrate to Canada, again:p

we'll just emigrate to Canada, again:p

Oh you're more than welcome! :D

I have had a good day today, spending my entire day on the internet following the political situation in my native country. Woohoo!

Down with Balkenende!!!

Finally! The first good move of D66 (the party which has stepped out of the government) ever. Now I won't have to start a revolution...:D

Ha! The netherlands is a monarchy!

Not quite. I thought we were a constitutional democracy.

Finally! The first good move of D66 (the party which has stepped out of the government) ever. Now I won't have to start a revolution...:D

I agree. First good move ever. Too bad it took them over 3 years to come up with it.

I agree. First good move ever. Too bad it took them over 3 years to come up with it.

Indeed, it's pretty stupid to blow a cabinet because of this. There have been worse issues.

Troops get your guns and your Bibles the Netherlands is up for dibs!

It's breaking news on CNN...

Shit...Harry Potter is returning to Hogwarts?

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:p

(It's funny if you know Dutch and know what's going on >.>)


Any english speaker should be able to make that out more or less, especially if you know about hirsi ali.

And topple a government unfit to govern.

Hear, hear!

Has anybody told the Dutch that their language seems made up? I mean, what kind of a word is "zoon"?

Has anybody told the Dutch that their language seems made up? I mean, what kind of a word is "zoon"?"Sohn", silly. :p

Anyway, I'm rather glad that Verdonk is the cause for all this trouble. I hope we never see her in a position of power again.

Has anybody told the Dutch that their language seems made up? I mean, what kind of a word is "zoon"?

''Zoon'' is derived from German, from the word ''Sohn'' from which the English word English word of ''Son'' is derived.

What do the current dutch opinionpolls predict, party-wise?

I smell the opportunity to give Holland some good old-fashioned rightwing Governance...

So, does this mean I can sneak in under the radar and buy up all the windmills at rock-bottom prices? :p

I smell the opportunity to give Holland some good old-fashioned rightwing Governance...

You mean the Germans are coming back?

You mean the Germans are coming back?

More like a good old-fashioned CDA-VVD + various small parties thing.

I did listen to the parliamentary debate on Afghanistan last year.
Even the PvdA is more solid hard-core on using the Army than the soft-as-shite D66 ultra-libbies.

More like a good old-fashioned CDA-VVD + various small parties thing.

I did listen to the parliamentary debate on Afghanistan last year.
Even the PvdA is more solid hard-core on using the Army than the soft-as-shite D66 ultra-libbies.

Funny how you call D66 Ultra-libbies, while the VVD is the dutch liberal party :P

With any luck the SP, Groen-Links and PvdA will get the majority these elections, and we'll finally get some sensible people in government. (although keeping Zalm as secretary of finance seems like a good idea)

Funny how you call D66 Ultra-libbies, while the VVD is the dutch liberal party :P

With any luck the SP, Groen-Links and PvdA will get the majority these elections, and we'll finally get some sensible people in government. (although keeping Zalm as secretary of finance seems like a good idea)

I seem to recall that SP and Groen-Links also were opposed to getting involved in Afghanistan...
And my oh my, how consistent their reasoning was!

They don't wanna go to Iraq cuz there was no UN Mandate.
Fair enough, really. I wasn't exactly happy with Iraq either.
And then they don't wanna go to Afganistan, when there is a UN-mandate and Kofi himself drops by to ask for involvement.

To the left side of Mr Jan Bos there is nothing but filth.

The Dutch government didn't resign for any political reasons. They quit their jobs to concentrate on their music. They have formed a rather large ska/punk band and are now booking some gigs in Eastern Europe.

I seem to recall that SP and Groen-Links also were opposed to getting involved in Afghanistan...
And my oh my, how consistent their reasoning was!

They don't wanna go to Iraq cuz there was no UN Mandate.
Fair enough, really. I wasn't exactly happy with Iraq either.
And then they don't wanna go to Afganistan, when there is a UN-mandate and Kofi himself drops by to ask for involvement.

To the left side of Mr Jan Bos there is nothing but filth.

Weee, and once again you insult about 40% of some countries voters, because of a single issue....
Doesnt that ever get tiring ?

I was't happy about the SP's and Groen-Links stand on afghanistan, but thats the way politics works. Unless your in it yourself, try finding some group that agrees with you on all points, not gonna happen :)

Weee, and once again you insult about 40% of some countries voters, because of a single issue....
Doesnt that ever get tiring ?

I was't happy about the SP's and Groen-Links stand on afghanistan, but thats the way politics works. Unless your in it yourself, try finding some group that agrees with you on all points, not gonna happen :)

The 11th Bogmarsh Commandment: Thou Shalt Be Solid Right Wing In Thy Foreign Policy!

The 11th Bogmarsh Commandment: Thou Shalt Be Solid Right Wing In Thy Foreign Policy!

lol, how many commandments does Bogmarsh have ?

lol, how many commandments does Bogmarsh have ?

*counts* 20 or summat...

In the Bogmarsh Universe, Moses never broke up the first set...

PS: I don't think that 40% of your population is to the left of Mr Bos.

Meh. I just hope that the PVDA, SP, GroenLinks and other assorted sensible left wing people come into power. At least they haven't fallen yet.

I smell the opportunity to give Holland some good old-fashioned rightwing Governance...


Damnit, Verdonk has finally been kicked in the nuts (yes she's got some), so stop shitting around with another doom-scenario.

*counts* 20 or summat...

In the Bogmarsh Universe, Moses never broke up the first set...

PS: I don't think that 40% of your population is to the left of Mr Bos.

Bos is pretty right wing for the PvdA, and since the 3 leftist parties are getting about 45% votes in the polls, i guestimated :)

And Moses didnt trip in your world ? nice going on his part! :))

about three years too late, but still.. finally..

Well, I hope a sorta left wing Cabinet with PvdA, Green Left and SP or CU. I hope my party (the SP) doesn't get involved mainly because:
1. we need more experience in governing
2. we nee dto abandon crucial issues of the party
3. the Right Wing Press and Opposition will surely slaughter a Left Wing Govt. if we even make one tiny mistake or if they don't agree with us.

Well, I hope a sorta left wing Cabinet with PvdA, Green Left and SP or CU. I hope my party (the SP) doesn't get involved mainly because:
1. we need more experience in governing
2. we nee dto abandon crucial issues of the party
3. the Right Wing Press and Opposition will surely slaughter a Left Wing Govt. if we even make one tiny mistake or if they don't agree with us.

Aye. First of all, i'd like to say that this is the best news i've come accross in a long-ass time. I got insanely plastered last night to celebrate the fall of the Dutch Neo-Con gov't. Hopefuly Bush's cronies won't get a third chance.

SP is my preferred party as well, although i'd like to see them become a solid (like 15+ seats) opposition party first. No need in seeing a good party go to shite because of people not voting with their brains. Let SP grow solidly, and one day (4y, 8y) take over PvdA's position.

D'66 did exactly what people expected them to do, because they've threatened to let the gov't collapse twice already for ideological issues, and in a recent interview, Lousewies v/d Laan, mentioned something among the likes of we're not going to let them get away with a third time.
She kept her promise, and D'66 scored quite a few browniepoints with me for that.

PvdA is a necessary evil right now. Bos is a frigging Blairite, and but most of the population takes his crap, and he's doing really well in the polls. I'd preferred Haitske v/d Linde to become the PvdA leader, since she isn't full of shite.

For the VVD: John Locke and Johan Thorbecke would be turning in their graves seeing what this party has become.

CDA: Unless the entire top of this party get thrown out, and they put someone sensible like Gerd Leers (mayor of Maastricht, CDA) as fraction leader, they should be avoided as the bubonic plague. The fact that Balkenende can't lead a cabinet, does everything his nice daddy Dubya tells him to do, and supports the likes of Berlusconi tell me this man is shite.

Ideal situation: PvdA, GL and D'66 or CU in the next cabinet. Unlike what many people think CU is a pretty sensible party, and the only Christian party in the Netherlands that deserves respect. Zalm should change sides to D'66, so he can have a third round as minister of Economic affairs. (which he won't do probably, but still) PM will probably become Bos (too bad) and i'd like to see Halsema as vice-PM.

(Maybe Bos can be :sniper: , so Femke can become PM :D )

This way Marijnissen can keep on growing for a wee while, so in, say, 2014 he can decide who he wants to form a cabinet with.

Bos is pretty right wing for the PvdA, and since the 3 leftist parties are getting about 45% votes in the polls, i guestimated :)

And Moses didnt trip in your world ? nice going on his part! :))


You'll have to forgive me on not knowing everything about Dutch politics, but I must say that I was very impressed with Mr Bos' reasoning during that debate on Afghanistan.
Not to mention his cool and dignified behaviour.
A far cry from certain previous party leaders of his party, who were definetely too much like bolshie rabble-rousers.

*grin* Moses also came back with 4 extra words for each commandment.

I think that I'm going to vote for Geert Wilders (though I don't really like him) or the VVD. Leftist idiocy and tree hugging socialism from political parties like GroenLinks and the SP are ruining this country. We need a good strong Right-winged liberal capitalistic orientated government who isn’t afraid of taking military action and supporting there allies (by allies I mean the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation which includes the US). We also need to improve our economy which isn't that good at the moment, but that's also partial due to the declining economy in the western hemisphere. We also should take an example of other western countries at how they are handling the drugs problem.

Ideal situation: PvdA, GL and D'66 or CU in the next cabinet. Unlike what many people think CU is a pretty sensible party, and the only Christian party in the Netherlands that deserves respect. Zalm should change sides to D'66, so he can have a third round as minister of Economic affairs. (which he won't do probably, but still) PM will probably become Bos (too bad) and i'd like to see Halsema as vice-PM.


For PvdA, GL and D66 to have a majority is about as likely as having an Elfstedentocht in July. Also if you add CU to the equation (which I would strongly oppose).

My personal favourite: Paars 3. Any coalition that excludes religious parties is good and a government which isnt either purely left-wing OR purely right-wing is also a bonus!

With Paars 3, we could keep Zalm on doing what he does best, continue the necessary reforms, but keep it social at the same time (yeah, you guessed right, I am a member of D'66 :D )

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:p

(It's funny if you know Dutch and know what's going on >.>)

HAHAHAHA

Okay. Now I will take the government, and rename the nation to Swilatia.

I'm going to vote for Geert Wilders and ''de gedachte van Pim''. Leftist idiocy and tree hugging socialism are ruining this country. We need a good strong Right-winged liberal capitalistic orientated government who isn’t afraid of taking military action and supporting there allies. We also need improve our economy and cutback on social security for the unemployed, drugs junkies and other morons. Though to bad this is never going to happen.

AYE, let go for social darwinism...

Besides that, Geert Wilders is as conservative as can be, and he would do well in the GOP.

And where should the Netherlands take military action against? anybody who wants to stay in control over their own oil? It seems very unlikely that Germany would ever invade the Netherlands, although when those sewer rats you would like to see in office would actually get there, chances are the city i live in would voluntarily secede to Deutschland. Wouldn't care a wee bit myself if i'd found myself to be living in Kreis Nimwegen, Nordrhein-Westfalen.

The best way to care for the unemployed is to create jobs, and getting rid of this archaic minimum wage for children which is only 30% of the minimum wage for adults. (it makes it really hard for people in their mid-20s to get a job, and kids in their late teens cannot get a living wage)

Also, the Netherlands spend less money per capita on Education than any other EU state, except for Portugal. This might be a priority as well, considering the fact that the manufacturing sector will bleed to death because of imports from China.The only way to keep the economy in NL going is to switch to a high-tech economy, like Ireland. (which is showing 8% growth rates)

Besides that, before you try again to sound semi-knowledgeable about intelligent subjects such as politics, you might want to improve your spelling, and maybe get some English lessons. Also get some information on political ideologies, and what they mean.
You might even want to try to get your VMBO diploma if that isn't too hard for you.

Good Luck.

I'm going to vote for Geert Wilders and ''de gedachte van Pim''. Leftist idiocy and tree hugging socialism are ruining this country. We need a good strong Right-winged liberal capitalistic orientated government who isn’t afraid of taking military action and supporting there allies. We also need improve our economy and cutback on social security for the unemployed, drugs junkies and other morons. Though to bad this is never going to happen.
what you need is een ongenuanceerd staat.
You can go right and left,doesn't matter.you will always be the bad one.
you will scream for ice cream
you fucking bourgeoi.;) :upyours:

For PvdA, GL and D66 to have a majority is about as likely as having an Elfstedentocht in July. Also if you add CU to the equation (which I would strongly oppose).

My personal favourite: Paars 3. Any coalition that excludes religious parties is good and a government which isnt either purely left-wing OR purely right-wing is also a bonus!

With Paars 3, we could keep Zalm on doing what he does best, continue the necessary reforms, but keep it social at the same time (yeah, you guessed right, I am a member of D'66 :D )

I suppose i could agree with you, but first i'd like to see some heads roll in both CDA and VVD. I wouldn't mind a liberal VVD to get back into power, but the likes of Verdonk, Remkes and Hoogervorst need to fuck off first. Zalm and Rutte are fine.
Same goes with CDA as well, i'd like to see that party being led by Gerd Leers, and especially Donner we could do without.

My coalition of choice would be PvdA, GL and D'66. CDA and VVD are welcome if they get rid of all the GOP gobshites in their parties.

HAHAHAHA

yeah, twas cool! :D

yeah, twas cool! :D
the rest was ook leuk.
it was fun ,people understand it.
Nothing to report

the rest was ook leuk.
it was fun ,people understand it.
Nothing to report

Nothing to report but - my broom is a Nimbus 2000!

Nothing to report but - my broom is a Nimbus 2000!
i never thought it would help you;)
Here some smoke screen,,
or moet ik smoke screen erbij roepen?

i never thought it would help you;)
Here some smoke screen,,

*flies off to perform in the Quidditch Worldcup*

*flies off to perform in the Quidditch Worldcup*
ok explain?

AYE, let go for social darwinism...

Besides that, before you try again to sound semi-knowledgeable about intelligent subjects such as politics, you might want to improve your spelling, and maybe get some English lessons. Also get some information on political ideologies, and what they mean.
You might even want to try to get your VMBO diploma if that isn't too hard for you.

Good Luck.

I refrain from answering your blunt and insulting post, before you start throwing certain social en political terms like social Darwinism at me I advice you to look it up in an encyclopaedia what is before you use it. As far as my knowledge goes and according to you that isn't much, that social Darwinism was used in pre-WWII nations to justify racialism and imperialism. You might get your BBL diploma if you studied harder and for you information I already graduated from HAVO N&G.

While I find it somewhat amusing that the fall of a cabinet notoriously badgered by media for their immigration policy has come about much by the way of the status of one immigrant, I don't think it would be right to throw out all that has been achieved in the way of economic progress and sounder stability.

While I am a leftie, ideologically, I don't think there should come an all-leftist coalition (especially not with Wouter Bos at the helm, he reeks of too much seeking of popularity). While there are of course many points on the left side I agree with; more money to education, more money to environmental projects, etc, there is I think i kind of tendency on the part of the left-wing to overspend and coddle too much.

This is of course, purely subjective. I think we should become more socially accepting of immigrants (who usually get stuck with the jobs the more spoiled westerners won't do), yet at the same time make sure to not repeat the problems stemming from the first brought in guest-workers (bringing them in just to work, but not educating them or actively pursuing integration).

While there is always the possibility with any coalition government that these things like one party blocking legislation or blowing up a coalition will happen, I find it infinitely superior to a mere two-party state. While in bigger countries, a coalition government form might be impractical, it prevents the rise of two mammoth parties with almost the same agendas but a slightly different image.

I'd like to see the best of right and left combined in the next coalition. I.e. attention to economics, promoting business,etc while at the same time taking care not to damage the social security so carefully built up over the years (with provisions for the elderly and handicapped), not to damage the environment too much in search of wealth and power and to portray a more social image towards immigrants and problems stemming from immigrant/integration.

I am aware that this is fairly utopian...

''Zoon'' is derived from German, from the word ''Sohn'' from which the English word English word of ''Son'' is derived.

It's not derived from German. It has the same roots and is probably derived from a common ancestor language :)

As in Germanic language?

*nods* yup, that's the term :)

ok explain?

http://www.quidditch.com/

I think that I'm going to vote for Geert Wilders (though I don't really like him) or the VVD. Leftist idiocy and tree hugging socialism from political parties like GroenLinks and the SP are ruining this country. We need a good strong Right-winged liberal capitalistic orientated government who isn’t afraid of taking military action and supporting there allies (by allies I mean the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation which includes the US). We also need to improve our economy which isn't that good at the moment, but that's also partial due to the declining economy in the western hemisphere. We also should take an example of other western countries at how they are handling the drugs problem.

Wilders couldn't run the government better than Balkenende, and even JP was a flop. Most parties are about as uneasy about Wilders as mainstream Belgian parties with regard to Vlaams Blok. Wilder's stance on immigration is even harder than Verdonk, and she managed to anger everyone left and right. As for VVD, they are too elitist and too anti-welfare to survive on their own. The a-social face of Balkenende 2 came from VVD, and we all saw how angry people get about that.

Your support of military action makes no sense. There is no support for the US's wars in this country. Do you realize the US is trying to make us pay to clean up the messes they made in Afghanistan and Iraq? If anything we should feel sore for the bad treatment we're getting from Bosnians. And stay out of matters like war altogether.

As for drugs, most countries are looking at us for an example!

I certainly hope they get a new government that is willing to deal earnestly with their Muslim immigrant problem.