NationStates Jolt Archive


US Civil War '08

NilbuDcom
29-06-2006, 06:38
If the party which brought you GWB rigs the election results again in the next election and a civil war breaks out who would win?
Delator
29-06-2006, 06:40
If the party which brought you GWB rigs the election results again in the next election and a civil war breaks out who would win?

Quebec...duh.
Empress_Suiko
29-06-2006, 06:45
If the party which brought you GWB rigs the election results again in the next election and a civil war breaks out who would win?


For them to do it again they would have to have done it before.


Anyway...I would win. So BOW DOWN to your empress!
Delator
29-06-2006, 06:46
For them to do it again they would have to have done it before.


Anyway...I would win. So BOW DOWN to your empress!

*bows*

So...when we do the human sacrifice thing, do we need a volcano, or will any random carnivore suffice?
Empress_Suiko
29-06-2006, 06:49
*bows*

So...when we do the human sacrifice thing, do we need a volcano, or will any random carnivore suffice?


Nah, Just set yourself on fire.:D
Hydac
29-06-2006, 06:51
For them to do it again they would have to have done it before.


Good point.

Republicans would win though, because they have more guns, more cops, and more members of the military.

Still a pretty dumb question.
Delator
29-06-2006, 06:54
Nah, Just set yourself on fire.:D

But, I thought bowing meant I wouldn't get sacrificed...

What kind of way is this to run a country?!?! :p
Maraque
29-06-2006, 06:55
Wasn't looking and voted Democrat. Republicans would definitely win, they have all the firearms, lol.
Reformed Salt
29-06-2006, 06:56
I take the unnamed option which says that if a civil war did break out that it would lead to a decade of fierce fighting, millions dead, and no strong central power at the end.

None of that sounds that bad to me, but thats just me. I say it would probably lead to an outside power scooping up much of the power elsewhere in the world as well. All in all, a very turbulent thought. I'll support it.
Dragons with Guns
29-06-2006, 06:57
I take the unnamed option which says that if a civil war did break out that it would lead to a decade of fierce fighting, millions dead, and no strong central power at the end.

None of that sounds that bad to me, but thats just me. I say it would probably lead to an outside power scooping up much of the power elsewhere in the world elsewhere. All in all, a very turbulent thought. I'll support it.

Yeah millions dead isn't bad at all.
Empress_Suiko
29-06-2006, 07:02
But, I thought bowing meant I wouldn't get sacrificed...

What kind of way is this to run a country?!?! :p


I am evil didn't you know? :cool:
Keruvalia
29-06-2006, 07:06
I think, in a way, we'd all win.
Barbaric Tribes
29-06-2006, 07:13
I voted for the commies but in reality I believe that there actually will be a long bloody US civil war or revolution agian sometime soon. I believe that both us political parties will be destroyed. Because they are working together and both are just as evil as the other and the american people will rise up and destroy them. interesting though, I'm not the only fool out there who is contemplating a bloody future for the US homeland, shit, I've spoken to some government employees about it, even military personnell and they would'nt be suprised.
Penguin Dictators
29-06-2006, 07:13
Easy, Big bird would win. He's scary, and he'd go bird-a-maniac on people who went against him.
Desperate Measures
29-06-2006, 07:27
Have you seen Ralph Nader get pissed?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/uselection2004/gfx/nader_cp_6196084.jpg
Delator
29-06-2006, 07:35
I am evil didn't you know? :cool:

I had my suspicions. ;)

Although, if everyone who bows to you sets themselves on fire, soon you will have nobody left to bow to you...

...although you would have quite a bonfire. :p
Pepe Dominguez
29-06-2006, 07:52
Hrm.. well, if we let the electoral process work, we get President Jeb, but if we have a civil war, I get to possibly shoot a bunch of hippies, and then we get President Jeb. Works for me either way. :p
Saipea
29-06-2006, 09:06
Where's the option "Europe and Asia kick our ass" ?
Empress_Suiko
29-06-2006, 10:26
Where's the option "Europe and Asia kick our ass" ?


Or China takes over the world and we all become Chinese in 25 years!
Lunatic Goofballs
29-06-2006, 10:28
If the party which brought you GWB rigs the election results again in the next election and a civil war breaks out who would win?

Simple: Whichever side has me. And the side that can keep me supplied with tacos will have me. :)
Empress_Suiko
29-06-2006, 10:29
Simple: Whichever side has me. And the side that can keep me supplied with tacos will have me. :)



I got plenty of Tacos, Join me and my Asian domination crusade!
Gartref
29-06-2006, 10:34
I got plenty of Tacos, Join me and my Asian domination crusade!


You had me at Asian and Domination.
Empress_Suiko
29-06-2006, 10:36
You had me at Asian and Domination.


I mean world domination where every nation has a asian majority.
Gartref
29-06-2006, 10:37
I mean world domination where every nation has a asian majority.

Oh... I was picturing Lucy Liu in a leather skirt holding a whip.
Harlesburg
29-06-2006, 10:39
Mexico.
They get California, Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona etc back.
Empress_Suiko
29-06-2006, 10:44
Oh... I was picturing Lucy Liu in a leather skirt holding a whip.



I would rather use a bazooka.
Pepe Dominguez
29-06-2006, 10:48
Mexico.
They get California, Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona etc back.

Well, they never had those territories to begin with, but I'm sure they'd appreciate the gift. :p
BogMarsh
29-06-2006, 10:50
If the party which brought you GWB rigs the election results again in the next election and a civil war breaks out who would win?


Republicans. Because the Dems are full of pacifists.
If it ain't willing to fight, it merely exists to be crushed like a pistacchio-nut.
Empress_Suiko
29-06-2006, 10:51
Well, they never had those territories to begin with, but I'm sure they'd appreciate the gift. :p


Yes they did.
Map Of Mexico In 1824 (http://www.indiana.edu/~jah/mexico/images/1824map.jpg)
Meat and foamy mead
29-06-2006, 10:57
Oh... I was picturing Lucy Liu in a leather skirt holding a whip.

Yessss. I could be her doormat. She could wipe her shoes on my tongue and step on my balls and...well...I rather like her. Hmm.
Peisandros
29-06-2006, 11:05
The Commies. :sniper:
Meat and foamy mead
29-06-2006, 11:10
Come on, you gotta love commies. At least if you're UsAmerican...what would they hate if there wouldn't be any commies around?
BogMarsh
29-06-2006, 11:12
Come on, you gotta love commies. At least if you're UsAmerican...what would they hate if there wouldn't be any commies around?


*pokes*
How about Muzzies?


( If you wish to beat a dog, you'll always find a stick! )
Pepe Dominguez
29-06-2006, 11:13
Yes they did.
Map Of Mexico In 1824 (http://www.indiana.edu/~jah/mexico/images/1824map.jpg)

It was a broad claim without any basis.. we all know what happened with that. :p
Meat and foamy mead
29-06-2006, 11:19
*pokes*
How about Muzzies?


( If you wish to beat a dog, you'll always find a stick! )

Muzzies? That sounds like candy.
Harlesburg
29-06-2006, 11:22
Well, they never had those territories to begin with, but I'm sure they'd appreciate the gift. :p
Well er...
They will win them anyways.
What did Mexico lose in the war of 1840-?
Harlesburg
29-06-2006, 11:23
It was a broad claim without any basis.. we all know what happened with that. :p
Are you lieing to me.:(
You don't want to know what i do to liars.
Pepe Dominguez
29-06-2006, 11:29
Are you lieing to me.:(
You don't want to know what i do to liars.

If you can "own" something you have no administrative or military control over, and which you haven't even populated with any significant numbers, then Mexico can claim to have "owned" as much land as they want. The Spanish called it New Spain despite sending no significan number of settlers, etc.
BogMarsh
29-06-2006, 11:31
Are you lieing to me.:(
You don't want to know what i do to liars.


I think he meant it was the kind of frivolous claim that the Argies tried about the Falklands.
Harlesburg
29-06-2006, 11:35
I think he meant it was the kind of frivolous claim that the Argies tried about the Falklands.
Ok.
In the Treaty that ended the war why would the US bother to ask for something someone didn't own?
Assuming they did make that as a 'rule' of the Treaty.
BogMarsh
29-06-2006, 11:37
Ok.
In the Treaty that ended the war why would the US bother to ask for something someone didn't own?
Assuming they did make that as a 'rule' of the Treaty.

To settle the matter for once, and for all.
It saved everyone, I suppose, the burden of making the Mexicans say 'Sorry about all that!' on paper.
Harlesburg
29-06-2006, 11:49
And Mexico wins the US Civil War.
Quaon
29-06-2006, 12:29
Assuming that the American public is still pissed at the events of the last presidency, the democrats could win.
Assis
29-06-2006, 12:34
i think the american people would win and - as a consequence - the rest of the world as well. as such, the poll is incomplete.
Empress_Suiko
29-06-2006, 20:37
Well er...
They will win them anyways.
What did Mexico lose in the war of 1840-?


California, Arizona, New Mexico.......
Empress_Suiko
29-06-2006, 20:38
Assuming that the American public is still pissed at the events of the last presidency, the democrats could win.


You mean Liberals are mad, Conservatives are happy....Unless you don't consider Conservatives americans.
New Burmesia
29-06-2006, 20:43
Depends on who can gerrymander the most seats, has control over vote counting and loses the popular vote!

Okay, I'm joking. But I hope Democrat (Better for Britain), but 'cause I'm cynical, the Republicans will get in.
Minkonio
29-06-2006, 20:46
If the GOP wins the midterms this year, despite DNCs' insistence that it won't, you could see a lot of unhappy extremist lefties...And you can bet your sweet ass that they'll go berzerk if the GOP wins the next Presidential election...You could see a small guerilla war/terrorism campaign after that, but since they don't have nearly the majority of the population on their side, they'll be relegated to throwing bombs around, rather than taking actual territory, which is what is necessary for the term "Civil War" to be used...
Druidville
29-06-2006, 20:48
It'd depend on who runs.

1. With Hillary and Howard, Dems can't carry the South even if they had a large enough bucket. Ms Clinton no one likes, and Howie has already pissed off everyone.
2. Whomever pops up from the Dem side had better talk fast and be very charasmatic. And kick Deans ass out, pronto.
3. Given the current climate, the Republicans might lose if theypick another corporate President. Bush was bad, Jeb won't be any better, and Cheney is a joke. Guliani might get popular support from people who don't know him, but his national support would be iffy.

You can see how it goes. Oh, and no one wins a Civil War. Blood, destruction and chaos for no gain at all.
Empress_Suiko
29-06-2006, 20:49
If the GOP wins the midterms this year, despite DNCs' insistence that it won't, you could see a lot of unhappy extremist lefties...And you can bet your sweet ass that they'll go berzerk if the GOP wins the next Presidential election...You could see a small guerilla war/terrorism campaign after that, but since they don't have nearly the majority of the population on their side, they'll be relegated to throwing bombs around, rather than taking actual territory, which is what is necessary for the term "Civil War" to be used...

Gallup has the republicans winning in '08 against all democrats, the race the dems are ahead in is Clinton vs Rice, they are losing all others.
Minkonio
29-06-2006, 20:53
Gallup has the republicans winning in '08 against all democrats, the race the dems are ahead in is Clinton vs Rice, they are losing all others.
Really? I did'nt read that poll, but I suspected as much...And if McCain wins the Primary, noone they can field will beat him...He'll get in for sure.

Double-whammy if they win the Senate/House elections at the same time as the Presidential elections...That's why my money is on the X-treme Left going bomb-throwingly berzerk before the decade is out...
Francis Street
29-06-2006, 20:57
Hrm.. well, if we let the electoral process work, we get President Jeb, but if we have a civil war, I get to possibly shoot a bunch of hippies, and then we get President Jeb. Works for me either way. :p
Wow, you would actually open fire on your fellow countrymen?

It was a broad claim without any basis.. we all know what happened with that. :p
But you said Mexico didn't have them, not that they had them without a good claim.
Empress_Suiko
29-06-2006, 21:03
Wow, you would actually open fire on your fellow countrymen?


But you said Mexico didn't have them, not that they had them without a good claim.



He is wrong, Mexico had them. Just move on.
Francis Street
29-06-2006, 21:04
That's why my money is on the X-treme Left going bomb-throwingly berzerk before the decade is out...
You guys are funny. Your idea of extreme left is probably the introduction of health services that are the norm in Europe.
Empress_Suiko
29-06-2006, 21:08
You guys are funny. Your idea of extreme left is probably the introduction of health services that are the norm in Europe.



You need to learn about the Far-Left in America before you make wisecracks.
Minkonio
29-06-2006, 21:10
You guys are funny. Your idea of extreme left is probably the introduction of health services that are the norm in Europe.
No it is'nt. That's Left-Wing, not X-Treme Left.

I'm talking about the type of people who listen to Pacifica radio on a daily basis, the people who hate the Republicans so much that they accept the 9/11 conspiracy theories without question...I've heard allot of them talk...They'd love to kill Americans to replace our democracy with a socialist one-party state. They loathe mainstream Americans with a passion. Believe me, i've heard their rants.
Sumamba Buwhan
29-06-2006, 21:21
maybe we can beat them at their own game and scrub as many rich white christians from the voting lists as we can by having them identified as felons or dead - depending on who the states dont let vote.

infiltrate diebold and have the voting machines start out with thousands of votes in the democrats favor this time.

put enough voting machines in poor areas who vote largely democrat so they can get thru in minutes, and very few in the republican districts making them wait hours to get a chance to vote, leaving them frustrated and leaving without having voted.

send the ballots to republican servicemen to their homes (the ones who are overseas and have their mail forwarded to them) and put "do not forward" on the envelopes so that they get returned to sender and we can take them off the voting lists too.
Zilam
29-06-2006, 21:24
After a long and hard fought campaign against the nazipublicans and the commiecrats, Thomas the Great(me), would triumph over all foes, and install a new, blood thirsty goverment(what? I like vampires :p). Yay for me!:sniper: :mp5: :gundge: :sniper: :gundge: :mp5: :upyours: hehe..
Minkonio
29-06-2006, 21:25
maybe we can beat them at their own game and scrub as many rich white christians from the voting lists as we can by having them identified as felons or dead - depending on who the states dont let vote.

infiltrate diebold and have the voting machines start out with thousands of votes in the democrats favor this time.

put enough voting machines in poor areas who vote largely democrat so they can get thru in minutes, and very few in the republican districts making them wait hours to get a chance to vote, leaving them frustrated and leaving without having voted.

send the ballots to republican servicemen to their homes (the ones who are overseas and have their mail forwarded to them) and put "do not forward" on the envelopes so that they get returned to sender and we can take them off the voting lists too.
See what I mean?

Would you like some more tin-foil for that alien-ray-blocking hat, sir?

Even the Democrats in office said that there was no large-scale, organized vote fraud in the 2000-2004 elections.
Ultraextreme Sanity
29-06-2006, 21:27
If the party which brought you GWB rigs the election results again in the next election and a civil war breaks out who would win?


no one
Sumamba Buwhan
29-06-2006, 21:30
See what I mean?

Would you like some more tin-foil for that alien-ray-blocking hat, sir?

Even the Democrats in office said that there was no large-scale, organized vote fraud in the 2000-2004 elections.


NO I don't see what you mean. I've never heard of you before n00bert.


There has been plenty of evidence that poor black Democrats have been disenfranchised. I've presented the evidence enough times to people who never listen to know that it's fruitless to do it again. You sound like a foam at the mouther anyway so I think I will just avoid your asshattery unless you can come back and talk like an adult at some point.
Zilam
29-06-2006, 21:30
See what I mean?

Would you like some more tin-foil for that alien-ray-blocking hat, sir?

Even the Democrats in office said that there was no large-scale, organized vote fraud in the 2000-2004 elections.


I would!
Minkonio
29-06-2006, 21:37
NO I don't see what you mean. I've never heard of you before n00bert.


There has been plenty of evidence that poor black Democrats have been disenfranchised. I've presented the evidence enough times to people who never listen to know that it's fruitless to do it again. You sound like a foam at the mouther anyway so I think I will just avoid your asshattery unless you can come back and talk like an adult at some point.
Yeah, yeah...Lost an argument, so you ran away...

Go self-fornicate, loser.
Alif Laam Miim
29-06-2006, 21:39
NO I don't see what you mean. I've never heard of you before n00bert.


There has been plenty of evidence that poor black Democrats have been disenfranchised. I've presented the evidence enough times to people who never listen to know that it's fruitless to do it again. You sound like a foam at the mouther anyway so I think I will just avoid your asshattery unless you can come back and talk like an adult at some point.

That doesn't sound like an adult to me...bad example to set...
Sumamba Buwhan
29-06-2006, 21:42
That doesn't sound like an adult to me...bad example to set...


well I figure he gets what he gives.;)
Sumamba Buwhan
29-06-2006, 21:45
Yeah, yeah...Lost an argument, so you ran away...

Go self-fornicate, loser.


Whatever helps you sleep at night champ.

If it'll make you feel any better you can read all about it by Greg Palast - he's been covering it from the beginnin g and noone has ever refuted his evidence.
Deep Kimchi
29-06-2006, 21:46
If the party which brought you GWB rigs the election results again in the next election and a civil war breaks out who would win?

Let's see.

The military is roughly 70 percent Republican.

Republicans are most of the gun owners in the US (but not all).

It's kind of hard to fight a rebelliion when you don't have access to weaponry.

So I think the Republicans win.
Minkonio
29-06-2006, 21:50
Greg Palast
Who the hell is that? Some Left-Wing Conspiracy Kook?

Like I said, congressional and senate Democrats have allways said there was not voter-fraud....Why would the very people to benefit from that kind of accusation not run with it? Because it clearly did'nt happen, and even they know it did'nt.
Assis
29-06-2006, 21:50
You guys are funny. Your idea of extreme left is probably the introduction of health services that are the norm in Europe.
some people just don't seem to realise that the money their government wastes on waging wars could actually save them from paying quite a few health and education bills out of their own pocket.

they prefer to wage wars and pay for everything... :headbang: :D
Sumamba Buwhan
29-06-2006, 21:56
Who the hell is that? Some Left-Wing Conspiracy Kook?

Like I said, congressional and senate Democrats have allways said there was not voter-fraud....Why would the very people to benefit from that kind of accusation not run with it? Because it clearly did'nt happen, and even they know it did'nt.


Because we should always trust what politicians tell us. Al Gore was just on the Daily Show and he said that he believes that he carried Florida. Sounds like his party decided for him that there was no fraud even though... ah forget it... I gave you the source of the investigation. You can turn a blind eye all you want buddy. I really care not.

Left Wing conspiracy kook! lol - how about award winning investigative journalist (whose no fan of the Democrats either). Ignorance is bliss though. Look someone can label something as a conspiracy to blow it off as unworthy of his time. Like I;ve never seen that tactic before.
Minkonio
29-06-2006, 22:05
Because we should always trust what politicians tell us. Al Gore was just on the Daily Show and he said that he believes that he carried Florida. Sounds like his party decided for him that there was no fraud even though... ah forget it... I gave you the source of the investigation. You can turn a blind eye all you want buddy. I really care not.
So you're saying that Democrats did'nt want to fight to put a Democrat in the White House? Sounds like they knew it was a fair election and decided not to make fools of themselves over the lost election...

Left Wing conspiracy kook! lol - how about award winning investigative journalist (whose no fan of the Democrats either).
Show me the sources that says he likes the Republicans, because i've never heard of this guy before you mentioned him.
Ignorance is bliss though.

No, only to people like you.

Look someone can label something as a conspiracy to blow it off as unworthy of his time. Like I;ve never seen that tactic before.
If something is a plain, kookey conspiracy theory, it's perfectly fine not to entertain such a ridiculous argument.
The Black Hand of Nod
29-06-2006, 22:06
Wasn't looking and voted Democrat. Republicans would definitely win, they have all the firearms, lol.
The Nader people have guns also you know. Personally I think the other 3 would Rally against the Republicans. I mean in 2004 almost ALL of the Third party groups said vote for Kerry.

(The Commies, the Potheads, the Anarchists, the Facists, even the damn Nazis said don't vote for Bush, because NO one from the radicals wanted Bush.)
Eutrusca
29-06-2006, 22:07
If the party which brought you GWB rigs the election results again in the next election and a civil war breaks out who would win?
:rolleyes:
Sumamba Buwhan
29-06-2006, 22:15
So you're saying that Democrats did'nt want to fight to put a Democrat in the White House? Sounds like they knew it was a fair election and decided not to make fools of themselves over the lost election...

Show me the sources that says he likes the Republicans, because i've never heard of this guy before you mentioned him.

No, only to people like you.

If something is a plain, kookey conspiracy theory, it's perfectly fine not to entertain such a ridiculous argument.

First of all I'd like you to show me where I said he likes Republicans. You know, a person can dislike Democrats AND Republicans right? *raises hand*

And this guy works for the BBC which is why you probably never heard of him... besides probably ignoring any evidence that contradicts the reality you would liek to believe.



Ok I dont know why I am doing this but here you go - http://www.gregpalast.com/the-great-florida-ex-con-gamernhow-the-felon-voter-purge-was-itself-felonious

Did you hear about this?:

Between May 1999 and Election Day 2000, two Florida secretaries of state - Sandra Mortham and Katherine Harris, both prot??g??es of Governor Jeb Bush- ordered 57,700 “ex-felons,” who are prohibited from voting by state law, to be removed from voter rolls. (In the thirty-five states where former felons can vote, roughly 90 percent vote Democratic.) A portion of the list, which was compiled for Florida by DBT Online, can be seen for the first time here; DBT, a company now owned by ChoicePoint of Atlanta, was paid $4.3 million for its work, replacing a firm that charged $5,700 per year for the same service



well click the link to read about how they erronously scrubbed TENS OF THOUSANDS of voters from the votings lists because they were black democrats and had names similar to felons. IF that disgusts you (as it shoudl anyone with any sense of ethics, then read on to find out how far they went.

How many votes did Bush supposedly take Florida by again?
Minkonio
29-06-2006, 22:18
The Nader people have guns also you know. Personally I think the other 3 would Rally against the Republicans. I mean in 2004 almost ALL of the Third party groups said vote for Kerry.
All the 3rd Parties don't add up to jack or squat...Neither do the numbers of Democrats kookie enough to take up arms against the government.

It'd be a small guerilla war, at most.

(The Commies, the Potheads, the Anarchists, the Facists, even the damn Nazis said don't vote for Bush, because NO one from the radicals wanted Bush.)
Wow....

Communists, Anarchists, Fascists, and Nazis ("National Socialists") for John Kerry...What a ringing endorsement :p
Minkonio
29-06-2006, 22:26
Between May 1999 and Election Day 2000, two Florida secretaries of state - Sandra Mortham and Katherine Harris, both prot??g??es of Governor Jeb Bush- ordered 57,700 “ex-felons,” who are prohibited from voting by state law, to be removed from voter rolls. (In the thirty-five states where former felons can vote, roughly 90 percent vote Democratic.) A portion of the list, which was compiled for Florida by DBT Online, can be seen for the first time here; DBT, a company now owned by ChoicePoint of Atlanta, was paid $4.3 million for its work, replacing a firm that charged $5,700 per year for the same service



well click the link to read about how they erronously scrubbed TENS OF THOUSANDS of voters from the votings lists because they were black democrats and had names similar to felons. IF that disgusts you (as it shoudl anyone with any sense of ethics, then read on to find out how far they went.
1: How do you blame them for scrubbing ex-felon names from the voter rolls if that was the Law?!

2: If the names were similiar to ex-felons, I can see how that could've accidentally happened...Unless you're calling the majority of Republicans (and Republican civil servants) actively racist, in which case you'd be a kook. Also, the erasing was done by a private corporation, not the Republicans themselves. If ChoicePoint did it, a whistleblower employee would've come out by now.

Face it, you're just a left-wing kook, desperate for political power and grasping at straws.
Sumamba Buwhan
29-06-2006, 22:39
1: How do you blame them for scrubbing ex-felon names from the voter rolls if that was the Law?!

2: If the names were similiar to ex-felons, I can see how that could've accidentally happened...Unless you're calling the majority of Republicans (and Republican civil servants) actively racist, in which case you'd be a kook. Also, the erasing was done by a private corporation, not the Republicans themselves. If ChoicePoint did it, a whistleblower employee would've come out by now.

Face it, you're just a left-wing kook, desperate for political power and grasping at straws.


*sigh*

so you didnt read the story eh?

what does this say to you? ", a company now owned by ChoicePoint of Atlanta, was paid $4.3 million for its work, replacing a firm that charged $5,700 per year for the same service "

they paid to get a large list of "ex-felons" - the first list they got wasnt big enough so they sent it back and told them it had better be larger the next time. and it was - it had better be for the outrageous price they paid to them. but while investigating to see how many were truely felons...

Two of these “scrub lists,” as officials called them, were distributed to counties in the months before the election with orders to remove the voters named. Together the lists comprised nearly 1 percent of Florida?s electorate and nearly 3 percent of its African-American voters. Most of the voters (such as “David Butler,” (1); a name that appears 77 times in Florida phone books) were selected because their name, gender, birthdate and race matched - or nearly matched - one of the tens of millions of ex-felons in the United States. Neither DBT nor the state conducted any further research to verify the matches. DBT, which frequently is hired by the F.B.I. to conduct manhunts, originally proposed using address histories and financial records to confirm the names, but the state declined the cross-checks. In Harris?s elections office files, next to DBT?s sophisticated verification plan, there is a hand-written note: ?DON?T NEED.?

Thomas Alvin Cooper (2), twenty-eight, was flagged because of a crime for which he will be convicted in the year 2007. According to Florida?s elections division, this intrepid time-traveler will cover his tracks by moving to Ohio, adding a middle name, and changing his race. Harper’s found 325 names on the list with conviction dates in the future, a fact that did not escape Department of Elections workers, who, in June 2000 emails headed, ?Future Conviction Dates,” termed the discovery, “bad news.? Rather than release this whacky data to skeptical counties, Janet Mudrow, state liaison to DBT, suggested that ?blanks would be preferable in these cases.” (Harper’s counted 4,917 blank conviction dates.) The one county that checked each of the 694 names on its local list could verify only 34 as actual felony convicts. Some counties defied Harris’ directives; Madison County’s elections supervisor Linda Howell refused the purge list after she found her own name on it.


Rev. Willie Dixon (3), seventy, was guilty of a crime in his youth; but one phone call would have told the state that it had already pardoned Dixon and restored his right to vote. On behalf of Dixon and other excluded voters, the NAACP in January 2001 sued Florida and Harris, after finding that African-Americans?who account for 13 percent of Florida’s electorate and 46 percent of U.S. felony convictions ?were four times as likely as whites to be incorrectly singled out under the state’s methodology. After the election, Harris and her elections chief Clay Roberts, testified under oath that verifying the lists was solely the work of county supervisors. But the Florida-DBT contract (marked “Secret” and ?Confidential?) holds DBT responsible for ?manual verification using telephone calls.? in fact, with the state?s blessing, DBT did not call a single felon. When I asked Roberts about the contract during an interview for BBC television, Roberts ripped off his microphone, ran into his office, locked the door, and called in state troopers to remove us.

Johnny Jackson Jr. (4), thirty-two, has never been to Texas, and his mother swears he never had the middle name ?Fitzgerald.? Neither is there evidence that John Fitzgerald Jackson, felon of Texas, has ever left the Lone Star State. But even if they were the same man, removing him from Florida?s voter rolls is an unconstitutional act. Texas is among the thirty five states where ex-felons are permitted to vote, and the “full faith and credit” clause of the U.S. Constitution forbids states to revoke any civil rights that a citizen has been granted by another state; in fact, the Florida Supreme Court had twice ordered the state not to do so, just nine months before the voter purge. Nevertheless, at least 2,873 voters were wrongly removed, a purge authorized by a September 18, 2000 letter to counties from Governor Bush’s clemency office. On February 23, 2001, days after the U.S. Commission of Civil Rights began investigating the matters, Bush’s office issued a new letter allowing these persons to vote; no copies of the earlier letter could be found in the clemency office or on its computers.

Wallace McDonald (5), sixty-four, lost his right to vote in 2000, though his sole run-in with the law was a misdemeanor in 1959. (He fell asleep on a bus-stop bench.) Of the “matches’ on these lists, the civil-rights commission estimated that at least 14 percent - or 8,000 voters, nearly 15 times Bush’s official margin of victory - were false. DBT claims it warned officials “a significant number of people who were not a felon would be included on the list”; but the state, the company now says, “wanted there to be more names than were actually verified.” Last May, Florida’s legislature barred Harris from using outside firms to build the purge list and ordered her to seek guidance from county elections officials. In defiance, Harris has rebuffed the counties and hired another firm, just in time for Jeb Bush’s reelection fight this fall.



all ths is explained. sorry but this is why I wasnt going to post the info in teh first place. Your blinders are of too high a quality and your kind ever accepts the facts because it just doesnt sound right to you.

Just like I figured - you are not worth the time (as was grossly evident by your demeanor from the beginning as I first said) it takes to provide evidence just like the rest of the Bushites on this board.

so if you want any more of your questoins answered, don't forget this list of articles that give you information and documented proof: http://www.gregpalast.com/index.php?tag=theft-of-presidency

because I'm done with you. Good day. :)
Minkonio
29-06-2006, 22:48
because I'm done with you. Good day. :)
And now that you've sprinkled your magical moonbat guano-based pixie-dust, you will flutter off on crystalline wings to la-la-land...:rolleyes:

The list had mistakes, it's the nature of bureaucracy...That does'nt make it a conspiracy. If the Democrats had adequate proof, they'd have pounced on the story, but they did'nt. Oh, and you can't truly investigate that many fucking names individually. Like I said, a combination of logistics and bureaucratic fuck-ups...Not a "Z0MGConsipirazy!1111one!"
Francis Street
29-06-2006, 22:49
No it is'nt. That's Left-Wing, not X-Treme Left.

I'm talking about the type of people who listen to Pacifica radio on a daily basis, the people who hate the Republicans so much that they accept the 9/11 conspiracy theories without question...I've heard allot of them talk...They'd love to kill Americans to replace our democracy with a socialist one-party state. They loathe mainstream Americans with a passion. Believe me, i've heard their rants.
Ha, and how many people are there in America who want that? A dozen? Or however many members CPUSA has these days.

(Though I can't imagine pacifists desiring to kill people!)
Minkonio
29-06-2006, 22:56
Ha, and how many people are there in America who want that? A dozen? Or however many members CPUSA has these days.

(Though I can't imagine pacifists desiring to kill people!)
Actually, many X-treme Leftists i've met are'nt pacifistic in the least...They use very violent language to describe their hatred of mainstream Americans. Some even like the thought of no gun-control since it would quote "make it easier for us to kill capitalist scum".

Of course there are only a handful compared to the entire U.S. population....But enough to cause a significant ruckus...Also, just like in Iraq, Leftist Jihadis from other parts, like Canada, Europe and such will probably join in on the fight...
Assis
30-06-2006, 02:15
Also, just like in Iraq, Leftist Jihadis from other parts.......

ROFL!
did i really read this?
Bottle
30-06-2006, 02:15
If the party which brought you GWB rigs the election results again in the next election and a civil war breaks out who would win?
Don't know, and don't care. If a GOoPer is in the White House in '08, I'm leaving the country no matter how he got there.
Minkonio
30-06-2006, 02:22
ROFL!
did i really read this?
Z0MGYEZUDEEDROFLROFLROFL!!!!!11111eleven111!!!!one!

Don't know, and don't care. If a GOoPer is in the White House in '08, I'm leaving the country no matter how he got there.
Pfft! Good riddance then...Most people don't throw a hissy-fit when they don't get their way...But it's a free country, so go right ahead.