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Now, I know that this will probably make a lot of people hate me and flame me. I'm going to say this right now; I'm proud of EVERYTHING I believe in and if you don't like it, I don't care.

So..

1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it.

2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.

3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves.

4) I don't care if the military tortures POWs. Why? Because they're the enemy and if there is no other way to get the info they might have, we might as well. Torture for no reason, no.

5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad.

6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it.

7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out.

8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care."

9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.

I have more to say, but I can't think of anything else. I know that this will get flame after flame, and you know what? I stand by everything I have said.

I'm going to await the flaming, the point of this thread is to share my beliefs.

*blink*


*shudder*

Zukariaa']Now, I know that this will probably make a lot of people hate me and flame me. I'm going to say this right now; I'm proud of EVERYTHING I believe in and if you don't like it, I don't care.

So..

1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it.

2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.

3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves.

4) I don't care if the military tortures POWs. Why? Because they're the enemy and if there is no other way to get the info they might have, we might as well. Torture for no reason, no.

5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad.

6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it.

7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out.

8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care."

9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.

I have more to say, but I can't think of anything else. I know that this will get flame after flame, and you know what? I stand by everything I have said.

I'm going to await the flaming, the point of this thread is to share my beliefs.

I agree wholeheartedly. *looks for cover from coming flaming*

So believe it.

You know what?

I thing you do care about what I think on this.

What do I think?

I think you're drunk.

Zukariaa']Now, I know that this will probably make a lot of people hate me and flame me. I'm going to say this right now; I'm proud of EVERYTHING I believe in and if you don't like it, I don't care.

So..

1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it.

Good for you then.

2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.

Here we start getting in to the arguments. How I react depends on if you want to make your beliefs law. If you don't I have no problem with you.
If you do I'll argue with you for pages.

3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves.

The war in Iraq has nothing to do with the war on terror.
And shouldn't we have hunted down Osama before we hunted down Saddam?

4) I don't care if the military tortures POWs. Why? Because they're the enemy and if there is no other way to get the info they might have, we might as well. Torture for no reason, no.

Please think about what you're saying here.
You are thinking of torturing nonconvicted prisoners for information.
Information we're not even sure they have.
Again, please reconsider that.

5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad.

More patriotic? The U.S is already way too patriotic. We need less patriotism, not more.

6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it.

A fetus is not life more then a deer is life.
Hunting is perfectly legal.

7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out.

You don't really think on the human side of things, do you?

8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care."

No opinion.

9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.

No opinion either.

I have more to say, but I can't think of anything else. I know that this will get flame after flame, and you know what? I stand by everything I have said.

I'm going to await the flaming, the point of this thread is to share my beliefs.
*Whispers to other posters, "Are we sure we don't need a don't feed the troll sign here?"*

Hehe. I see the mystics of the spirit and the flesh have gotten themselves another victim.

You know what? I don't want to hear it either. So don't post it.

Zukariaa']I have more to say, but I can't think of anything else. I know that this will get flame after flame, and you know what? I stand by everything I have said.

I'm going to await the flaming, the point of this thread is to share my beliefs.

Alright. Because I'm a nice guy and impressed at your fortitude in sharing those beliefs in General, I'll let you choose. Flamethrower, or a simple kerosene/lighter combo?

Alright. Because I'm a nice guy and impressed at your fortitude in sharing those beliefs in General, I'll let you choose. Flamethrower, or a simple kerosene/lighter combo?
Flamethrowers. They're cooler looking. :D

The war in Iraq has nothing to do with the war on terror.
And shouldn't we have hunted down Osama before we hunted down Saddam?
Couldn't find him, so we changed our goal :p
More patriotic? The U.S is already way too patriotic. We need less patriotism, not more.
The most patriotic ones are always the ones who makes an ass out of themselves.

Oh.. umm.. I agree with you.
A fetus is not life more then a deer is life.
Hunting is perfectly legal.
The rapist just wanted to be a daddy.

*nods*
You don't really think on the human side of things, do you?
For God and country.

*Whispers to other posters, "Are we sure we don't need a don't feed the troll sign here?"*
Might want to make a new one, the old one was vandalized.

Zukariaa']Now, I know that this will probably make a lot of people hate me and flame me. I'm going to say this right now; I'm proud of EVERYTHING I believe in and if you don't like it, I don't care.

So..

1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it.

Fair enough. Just one question though (after Hicks): dinosaurs - are the fossils a test of faith, or simply not mentioned in Genesis?

2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.

You know Michelangelo, the dude who painted the Sistine Chapel? Gay. Does that make his work any less magnificent in the eyes of God and man?

3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves.

Fair enough, in many respects I agree with you that knocking tin-pot dictators off their perches is a good thing. Just ask a little more advice on 'peace-keeping' from the Europeans (who had empires and who still have seperatist terrorist groups in their countries) and things might go a little more smoothly.

4) I don't care if the military tortures POWs. Why? Because they're the enemy and if there is no other way to get the info they might have, we might as well. Torture for no reason, no.

I feel that torture degrades the torturer in the eyes of the world. There are ways of interrogating that don't involve torture and get proven results.

5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad.

The words "...under God" were retconned into the pledge in the 50s as a reaction against godless Communism IIRC. I think the Commies are gone now, so is there any reason to keep the wording? ;)

6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it.

No comment. There's no room for discussion here. :rolleyes:

7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out.

Mexican immigrants are coming to the US looking for a better life, much as your ancestors did a century or too ago. The opinions of existing tenants aren't the first concern of new arrivals, making their fortune is. So long as they work hard and pay taxes why shouldn't they be allowed to become citizens?

PS: The Native Americans just called. They're asking about 300 years worth of rent arrears or something... ;)

8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care."

*shrug* Personally I think 50 is a nice round number for states.

9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.

Yeah, we Brits used to say the same, but we had an empire that spanned the world. The question I'd pose is: with a whole continent to play with, two oceans as moats, and a tradition of relative insularity in foreign policy (compared to Europe), why does America *need* a military that can outfight the entire world? :confused:

I have more to say, but I can't think of anything else. I know that this will get flame after flame, and you know what? I stand by everything I have said.

I'm going to await the flaming, the point of this thread is to share my beliefs.

:rolleyes:

Good for you then.

A fetus is not life more then a deer is life.
Hunting is perfectly legal.

You don't really think on the human side of things, do you?

"*

Wow, did you even read over the things agin before posting it. Blatant self-condemnation essentially.

Fair enough. Just one question though (after Hicks): dinosaurs - are the fossils a test of faith, or simply not mentioned in Genesis?

You know Michelangelo, the dude who painted the Sistine Chapel? Gay. Does that make his work any less magnificent in the eyes of God and man?

Fair enough, in many respects I agree with you that knocking tin-pot dictators off their perches is a good thing. Just ask a little more advice on 'peace-keeping' from the Europeans (who had empires and who still have seperatist terrorist groups in their countries) and things might go a little more smoothly.

I feel that torture degrades the torturer in the eyes of the world. There are ways of interrogating that don't involve torture and get proven results.

The words "...under God" were retconned into the pledge in the 50s as a reaction against godless Communism IIRC. I think the Commies are gone now, so is there any reason to keep the wording? ;)

No comment. There's no room for discussion here. :rolleyes:

Mexican immigrants are coming to the US looking for a better life, much as your ancestors did a century or too ago. The opinions of existing tenants aren't the first concern of new arrivals, making their fortune is. So long as they work hard and pay taxes why shouldn't they be allowed to become citizens?
PS: The Native Americans just called. They're asking about 300 years worth of rent arrears or something... ;)

*shrug* Personally I think 50 is a nice round number for states.

Yeah, we Brits used to say the same, but we had an empire that spanned the world. The question I'd pose is: with a whole continent to play with, two oceans as moats, and a tradition of relative insularity in foreign policy (compared to Europe), why does America *need* a military that can outfight the entire world? :confused:

:rolleyes:


Oh! Let me take this one!

1. It is my personal belief that the "six days" were six eras or periods, during which time all the scientific crap took place. God just kinda slimmed it down for moses (or whoever). Can you imagine God talking to the ancient Hebrews " . . . and then, through further natural selection taking place over millenia, the single celled organisms . . ."

2. Ok, whatever

3. Fair enough

4. The commies are far from gone, my friend. Sure their main center of political power collapsed, but there are a great many to be found, even in this nation.

5. Not really anything to argue with you there . . .

6. That is the most commonly spouted BS I have heard. (angry hour begins) First off, our ancestors came here legally. They often had to wait for long periods, even quarantine, and then had to face all sorts of adversity here. Those that did so and survived and succeeded were amazingly admirable. However, they are completely different from the scum that we deal with now. Sure, some do come here to work, but they are not alone. About one third of our prison system is filled with those who are here illegally. Hospitals, especially here in the Southwest, are shutting down because they have been swarmed by these criminals who cannot pay. And, by far the worst, there are the recent demonstrations in which these criminals (and various associates) deface our flag and raise the one of the corrupt nation from which they fled. They chant Mexican nationalism on American soil, and say that this is their land. These criminals are completely different from the brave souls that came from all corners of the world to this great nation legally and worked hard for their family and new nation. (angry hour over)

I am a bit of a nationalist, and these criminals disgust me, in case you didn't guess. :p

As for the "Native Americans," we conquered this land. Their ancestors had their chance to defend it, but they were too weak. Conqueror's justice. For someone who speaks of the Empires of Europe, I think you can understand.

7. Don't care

8. Um . . . whatever

9. :rolleyes:

Zukariaa']Now, I know that this will probably make a lot of people hate me and flame me. I'm going to say this right now; I'm proud of EVERYTHING I believe in and if you don't like it, I don't care.

So..

1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it.


yes okay no arguments there...what denomination are you?

2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.

I would say something, but it would be so long it should actually be a new thread...in short I don't support homosexuality

3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves.

I thought Bush was good....now I wonder

4) I don't care if the military tortures POWs. Why? Because they're the enemy and if there is no other way to get the info they might have, we might as well. Torture for no reason, no.

not really in agreement there on soo many levels

5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad.

to a certain extent, but not to this one

6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it.

good people can still come from rape but....I hate rape! I want it to end!

7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out.

this has been going on for a while, it's only an issue because of the mass numbers of people doing it

8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care."

ok

9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.

It seems we are already heading in that direction

I have more to say, but I can't think of anything else. I know that this will get flame after flame, and you know what? I stand by everything I have said.

I'm going to await the flaming, the point of this thread is to share my beliefs.


well you have some interesting views, I might agree with most of them if they weren't as extreme as they are. Sorry my ideas got mixed with yours in my response, my computer isn't complying with me at the moment.

Fair enough. Just one question though (after Hicks): dinosaurs - are the fossils a test of faith, or simply not mentioned in Genesis?
The truth? I have no idea.


You know Michelangelo, the dude who painted the Sistine Chapel? Gay. Does that make his work any less magnificent in the eyes of God and man?
No. The artwork is an amazing piece of artwork. I don't dislike gays as people, but I don't like homosexuality and I feel uncomfortable being near someone who is gay.


Fair enough, in many respects I agree with you that knocking tin-pot dictators off their perches is a good thing. Just ask a little more advice on 'peace-keeping' from the Europeans (who had empires and who still have seperatist terrorist groups in their countries) and things might go a little more smoothly.
Ask a little more advice? What do you mean?


I feel that torture degrades the torturer in the eyes of the world. There are ways of interrogating that don't involve torture and get proven results.
Of course. I mean that it should not be done if there is no possible other way of getting the information that you absolutely know the person has. If this were the case, it would probably never happen. There are many, many ways of getting information.


The words "...under God" were retconned into the pledge in the 50s as a reaction against godless Communism IIRC. I think the Commies are gone now, so is there any reason to keep the wording? ;)
Not really, my point is that it should stay. It gives it a cool sound. Besides that, 52% of America is Christian. The majority of the people would likely rather have it stay.


No comment. There's no room for discussion here. :rolleyes:
M'kay.


Mexican immigrants are coming to the US looking for a better life, much as your ancestors did a century or too ago. The opinions of existing tenants aren't the first concern of new arrivals, making their fortune is. So long as they work hard and pay taxes why shouldn't they be allowed to become citizens?

PS: The Native Americans just called. They're asking about 300 years worth of rent arrears or something... ;)
Well, they can definitely go through the processes of becoming an American citizen. They don't have to illegaly come in and take jobs from actual citizens. Or take up space that actual citizens could be using.

PS: There isn't anything that can be done about that at the moment..


*shrug* Personally I think 50 is a nice round number for states.
I do too, but if enough people want it, they get it. And I think more people want it then not.


Yeah, we Brits used to say the same, but we had an empire that spanned the world. The question I'd pose is: with a whole continent to play with, two oceans as moats, and a tradition of relative insularity in foreign policy (compared to Europe), why does America *need* a military that can outfight the entire world? :confused:
For the protection of the people. We have 300 million people to protect, and if someone ever tries anything against us, like the 9/11 terrorist attacks, we should be able to finish a war as quickly as possible with as few deaths on both sides as possible. We need to be able to deploy a strong enough force to do the job without much worry of failure.


:rolleyes:
:)

I don't want to make anyone mad. I just felt I needed to share my beliefs.

Zukariaa']<snip> Besides that, 52% of America is Christian. The majority of the people would likely rather have it stay. <snip>


More like 80%

I don't really have a big problem with any of your views, except the abortion, super-power, and immigration.

So if you were a girl, and you were raped, suffered immense trauma from it, and every day you feel the fetus growing inside you, your feeling your life is over, and your stuck with an illegitimate child. Would you appreciate an obnoxious guy coming up to you and saying 'Stop f-ing crying, bitch. So you got raped?? Deal with it and shut the f- up'? I wouldn't think so.

So you think the US, with a history of dodgy invasions, should be the only super power, with an army that could conquer the world. I'm sorry, but I wouldn't trust George W. Bush to be reasonable in such a position.

So you think Immigrants have no right to be in America? Immigrants have played a HUGE role in building America's economy as early as the 1910's, and most likely, you are a descendant of an immigrant. What makes you think you are better than immigrants and deserve a much better life merely because of where you were born? They are not below you, they are not sub-human.

Zukariaa']
I'm going to await the flaming, the point of this thread is to share my beliefs.

No flames ... though it is amusing you'll await them. Posting something *knowing* it will ignite a flame war is called "trolling".

Anyway, no flames here ... just a missive: Stay away from my children.

Zukariaa']Flamethrowers. They're cooler looking. :D

Done. :)

*flames Zukariaa with flamethrower*

I believe that [NS]Zukariaa is merely an urban myth.

So you believe every word in the bible, you are against abortion. At the same time you favour torture, the death penalty, and gun ownership. I think what you've done there is take the bible literally.

The Pope just ordered you to disregard the bible, so you'd better get to rethinking.

I became slightly ill after reading the OP. It made me cringe much in the same way a swift kick to groin does. It was vile and ignorant and I could not disagree anymore strongly with every one of the points. Sadly, these views make up most of America and is why their President got elected. I feel sorry for the OP and people like him, really. I am also sorry if this came of as a flame but I was baited.

Ok .... who's going to do the copycat thread?

...these views make up most of America...

No they don't.

1. It is my personal belief that the "six days" were six eras or periods, during which time all the scientific crap took place. God just kinda slimmed it down for moses (or whoever).
Emphasis mine.

If I remember correctly, the first five books, including Genesis, were indeed written by Moses at Sinai following the Hebrew evac from Egypt.

Anyone well-versed in the Bible, or even the... Torah would know for sure. (I think those five are called... the Talmud(sp?), but I'm not sure.)

EDIT: btw, though the enemy may torture and mutilate prisoners, what reason could we possibly have to lower ourselves to that level? Oh that's right - We're different. We Americans need to get over ourselves in that regard. Honestly. Although I doubt it will ever matter. We could turn Beverly Hills into a prison wonderland and we'd still be demonized.

Buy no one would complain about the mutilations, dismemberments, and bus bombings that happen on a regular basis.

Umm, not much I agree with. As a catholic I dont believe the Bible word for word, and the rest I either disagreee with or take more of a moderate stand than you.

I don't really have a big problem with any of your views, except the abortion, super-power, and immigration.

So if you were a girl, and you were raped, suffered immense trauma from it, and every day you feel the fetus growing inside you, your feeling your life is over, and your stuck with an illegitimate child. Would you appreciate an obnoxious guy coming up to you and saying 'Stop f-ing crying, bitch. So you got raped?? Deal with it and shut the f- up'? I wouldn't think so.

So you think the US, with a history of dodgy invasions, should be the only super power, with an army that could conquer the world. I'm sorry, but I wouldn't trust George W. Bush to be reasonable in such a position.

So you think Immigrants have no right to be in America? Immigrants have played a HUGE role in building America's economy as early as the 1910's, and most likely, you are a descendant of an immigrant. What makes you think you are better than immigrants and deserve a much better life merely because of where you were born? They are not below you, they are not sub-human.

Abortion Argument: He never said anything about harassment of pregnant women. He just said that he supported them not murdering children (who was not the one to rape). Also, they have every right to put it up for adoption.

Superpower Argument: Thank you for the well thought out, logical argument using excellent evidence. It was inspiring.

Immigration Argument: That is true, but applies to LEGAL immigrants, not the criminal scum that we are attacking.

Emphasis mine.

If I remember correctly, the first five books, including Genesis, were indeed written by Moses at Sinai following the Hebrew evac from Egypt.

Anyone well-versed in the Bible, or even the... Torah would know for sure. (I think those five are called... the Talmud(sp?), but I'm not sure.)

Sorry, I am really tired. I have been under the weather lately.

No they don't.
then why would they vote in a Government that basically agrees with the op on those issues?

Rather than start a trend ...

1] I don't believe in God and I don't believe any rational person would. I have spent my time doing the God dance, but I have come to my senses. I believe the Bible has some nice things in it, but should not be a roadmap for anyone's life. I believe in aiming above morality.

2] I have no fear of any human being near me. Homosexuals are just as human as I, have all the same human qualities, failings, and frailties. I treat people on an individual basis and do not lump them under a banner.

3] I have not supported George W. Bush in anything since day one of his first Gubernatorial campaign in Texas. He should have stayed drunk. I will celebrate when he is gone.

4] I do not want the military that I pay for to stoop to the level we're fighting against.

5] I do not believe the USA to be a nation of symbols. I do not care what people do with the flag. It is an impermanent material object. What is important are the ideals set forth in the Constitution.

6] I support a woman's right to choose what happens to her body. I do not believe a fetus is a human any more than an individual sperm and ovum are human.

7] I fully support an open border. My mother always taught me that when you have, share.

8] Puerto Rico can become a State if they want. It's up to them.

9] Strength comes not from military might, but from character. Right now, America has no character.

So there you go.

Rather than start a trend ...

1] I don't believe in God and I don't believe any rational person would. I have spent my time doing the God dance, but I have come to my senses. I believe the Bible has some nice things in it, but should not be a roadmap for anyone's life. I believe in aiming above morality.

2] I have no fear of any human being near me. Homosexuals are just as human as I, have all the same human qualities, failings, and frailties. I treat people on an individual basis and do not lump them under a banner.

3] I have not supported George W. Bush in anything since day one of his first Gubernatorial campaign in Texas. He should have stayed drunk. I will celebrate when he is gone.

4] I do not want the military that I pay for to stoop to the level we're fighting against.

5] I do not believe the USA to be a nation of symbols. I do not care what people do with the flag. It is an impermanent material object. What is important are the ideals set forth in the Constitution.

6] I support a woman's right to choose what happens to her body. I do not believe a fetus is a human any more than an individual sperm and ovum are human.

7] I fully support an open border. My mother always taught me that when you have, share.

8] Puerto Rico can become a State if they want. It's up to them.

9] Strength comes not from military might, but from character. Right now, America has no character.

So there you go.
I love you, your sane and rational. Heres a cookie:fluffle:

I love you, your sane and rational. Heres a cookie:fluffle:

Fluffle cookies!

You're the 2nd NSer who's told me they loved me this week. What an awesome week! I love being loved. :D

6] I support a woman's right to choose what happens to her body. I do not believe a fetus is a human any more than an individual sperm and ovum are human.


Isn't your belief that a fetus is not a human somewhat fundamentalist. In that you do not countenance that your belief may be misplaced. If the anti-abortionists are wrong they have messed up some lives. If the abortionists are wrong they've murdered millions.

Zukariaa']Now, I know that this will probably make a lot of people hate me and flame me. I'm going to say this right now; I'm proud of EVERYTHING I believe in and if you don't like it, I don't care.

So..

1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it.

2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.

3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves.

4) I don't care if the military tortures POWs. Why? Because they're the enemy and if there is no other way to get the info they might have, we might as well. Torture for no reason, no.

5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad.

6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it.

7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out.

8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care."

9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.

I have more to say, but I can't think of anything else. I know that this will get flame after flame, and you know what? I stand by everything I have said.

I'm going to await the flaming, the point of this thread is to share my beliefs.

I agree with you 100%

Zukariaa']

2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.


this is the only one I felt worth commenting. You say Homosexuals have something against christianity? I say it's the complete opposite. Or does the entry that specifically says all homosexuals are condemned to hell (which it's specifically stated in the bible itself) mean nothing?

Rather than start a trend ...

1] I don't believe in God and I don't believe any rational person would. I have spent my time doing the God dance, but I have come to my senses. I believe the Bible has some nice things in it, but should not be a roadmap for anyone's life. I believe in aiming above morality.

2] I have no fear of any human being near me. Homosexuals are just as human as I, have all the same human qualities, failings, and frailties. I treat people on an individual basis and do not lump them under a banner.

3] I have not supported George W. Bush in anything since day one of his first Gubernatorial campaign in Texas. He should have stayed drunk. I will celebrate when he is gone.

4] I do not want the military that I pay for to stoop to the level we're fighting against.

5] I do not believe the USA to be a nation of symbols. I do not care what people do with the flag. It is an impermanent material object. What is important are the ideals set forth in the Constitution.

6] I support a woman's right to choose what happens to her body. I do not believe a fetus is a human any more than an individual sperm and ovum are human.

7] I fully support an open border. My mother always taught me that when you have, share.

8] Puerto Rico can become a State if they want. It's up to them.

9] Strength comes not from military might, but from character. Right now, America has no character.

So there you go.


1. I dont agree with you there. Even if you don't have faith in a higher power(s), the bible is a guide to live ones life, God's true words or not.

2. I agree with you there. I don't care about homosexuals, let them get married (I am a Christian). Even if one hitted on me, I would just laugh and tell him im not gay. Simple as that.

3. TOTALY AGREE! I'm going to be 18 when he gets kicked out so i am going to get legaly drunk the day he's out.

4. I belive we should be out of Iraq by now and that Bush has been doing a horrible job.

5. I don't agree illegal immigrants should be marching with the American flag. I dont think they should be forced out, but eventually I dont want there to be any illegals.

6. Pro-choice, Simple as that.

8. I like patterns or round numbers, so when we have a 51st president, let them become the 51st state.

9. The military does give us strength, but not the only thing. You need those not in it to support you, and that is scarse.

1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it.
Nothing wrong with believing in God. The more interesting question would be do you believe in the idea of God or the entity of God? If you believe the Bible because what it says rings true in your heart, then I would say that would be a belief in the idea of God. To determine if you believe in the entity of God, take the Abraham test: would you kill your own child, just because God told you to? No, don't answer, just consider the answer.

2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.

Not a problem. Many people are arachnophobes too. It only matters when one is expected to deal with spiders. Just a hint though: I would not mention this particular belief during a job interview. It may make it difficult to find employment.

3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves.

And how exactly do you support him? If it's by not interfering with his plans, then you support him as much as I do, and I can't stand the man. Really though, the war on terror will only be won if it is fought with ideas, not bombs. I have yet to figure out what the difference is between "terrorism" and "shock & awe".


4) I don't care if the military tortures POWs. Why? Because they're the enemy and if there is no other way to get the info they might have, we might as well. Torture for no reason, no.
I think I would be more concerned. Torture of POWs is prohibited by the Law of Armed Conflict. If the government is not going to play by its own rules during war, what makes one think that they will play by the rule of law during peacetime?


5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad.

Agreed that people should be more patriotic. However, if one does not like the way it is run, running away is not the answer. Seeking to change it is. Running away from problems only means one has to confront them later, usually at an inconvenient time.


6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it.

Pro-war and anti-abortion? How does one hold such ideas in their head without a trip to a funny farm? Maybe you could tell us at what age is life no longer sacred?


7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out.

No opinion. I do not know enough about the immigration process to take a stand one way or another.


8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care."

meh.


9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.


Well, it'll last until another superpower comes along, like China, and if America tries to retain its spot as the world's only Superpower, then more than likely, there will be no superpowers left.

Isn't your belief that a fetus is not a human somewhat fundamentalist. In that you do not countenance that your belief may be misplaced. If the anti-abortionists are wrong they have messed up some lives. If the abortionists are wrong they've murdered millions.

Perhaps it is a bit fundamentalist, but I have a penis. I have absolutely no say in this whatsoever. It is a woman's issue as it is a woman's body.

I can take it to various levels, of course. The anti-choice crowd never quite seem to answer the question of just who is going to pay for the millions of unwanted children being shuffled off to State adoption agencies.

There seems to be this unrational ideaology that if a person can get pregnant, then they must, therefore, be fully capable of raising a child. Wrong. It doesn't always work that way.

As for the fetus being human or not, at this point, that is all a matter of opinion with no rational backing on either side. It is emotional and, thus, should never be a point of legislation, but left to the choice of the mother.

I love you, Keruvalia.

...Sexually.

1. I dont agree with you there. Even if you don't have faith in a higher power(s), the bible is a guide to live ones life, God's true words or not.

So I should stone my neighbor to death for working on the sabbath? ;)

No, bad map. Bad!

It has some nice things. I've always encouraged people to snip out everything Jesus himself (not Paul) said and go by that alone if they choose to be Christian. But then there'd be a lot more leftist liberal hippies in the world and we'd have to hear more from Coulter about it. *shudder*

I love you, Keruvalia.

...Sexually.

Mmmmm ... I would have your babies.

Rather than start a trend ...

1] I don't believe in God and I don't believe any rational person would. I have spent my time doing the God dance, but I have come to my senses. I believe the Bible has some nice things in it, but should not be a roadmap for anyone's life. I believe in aiming above morality.

2] I have no fear of any human being near me. Homosexuals are just as human as I, have all the same human qualities, failings, and frailties. I treat people on an individual basis and do not lump them under a banner.

3] I have not supported George W. Bush in anything since day one of his first Gubernatorial campaign in Texas. He should have stayed drunk. I will celebrate when he is gone.

4] I do not want the military that I pay for to stoop to the level we're fighting against.

5] I do not believe the USA to be a nation of symbols. I do not care what people do with the flag. It is an impermanent material object. What is important are the ideals set forth in the Constitution.

6] I support a woman's right to choose what happens to her body. I do not believe a fetus is a human any more than an individual sperm and ovum are human.

7] I fully support an open border. My mother always taught me that when you have, share.

8] Puerto Rico can become a State if they want. It's up to them.

9] Strength comes not from military might, but from character. Right now, America has no character.

So there you go.

1. I don't agree, but whatever.

2. Interesting view. I actually agree, not hating homosexuals (pitying them, actually) but despising homosexuality

3. Ok, stated your views. Would you care to provide anything to argue about? This is not my favorite subject, though it might be Zuk's.

4. Fair enough, though I believe we should do whatever is needed to win

5. I believe that the flag is the symbol of all that you mentioned. When people burn it, they do not burn it because they burn a piece of material. They burn it because they burn the symbol of our great nation, and thus spit upon what it stands for.

6. I do believe in a woman's right to choose . . . whether or not to have sex. If someone violates that right, ie: rapes her, that person should be shot. However, that does not give her the right to take an innocent life, who actually is as much a victim of the rapist as she is if the life that awaits it is as bad as liberals make it out to be.

7. How very kind of you. However, you do not realize that such a thing would only serve to bring us down to their level, or worse. For further information, look to my previous argument here first, then ask me anything that is unclear. Lastly, I think that you have every right to give away every thing that you have, but you have no right to give away a penny that belongs to your neighbor.

8. I really don't care.

9. Tell that to my bullets *fires repeatedly into your upper torso*

Just kidding. However, I disagree with both points of your argument. Unfortunately, that involves our disagreement on the connotation of the words "power" and "character," and that we can argue until we are blue in the face and get nowhere. So I guess we will have to agree for you to remain wrong ;)

So I guess we will have to agree for you to remain wrong ;)

Well ... my mother also taught me that opinions are like assholes. Everyone's got one and they all stink.

So ... meh. :D

So I should stone my neighbor to death for working on the sabbath? ;)

If you are a true Jew? Yes.

However, God sent Christ, so we don't have to worry about that anymore. If you missed it, and want to be recognized as a true follower of your faith, then yes, you do have to stone your neighbor for working on the Sabbath.

Zukariaa']Now, I know that this will probably make a lot of people hate me and flame me. I'm going to say this right now; I'm proud of EVERYTHING I believe in and if you don't like it, I don't care.

So..

1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it.

(good for you, that part is refreshing)

2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.

(in the Bible it says God loves ALL people, so even though homosexuality isnt considered to be a good thing to some people, they will be forgiven)

3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves.

(i support Bush, but war is never a good thing, sometimes it just seems like the lesser of two evils. i know that may sound crazy but people killing each other is NEVER a good thing, also we took Saddam out of power that was all we had the right to do.)

4) I don't care if the military tortures POWs. Why? Because they're the enemy and if there is no other way to get the info they might have, we might as well. Torture for no reason, no.

(ok, again causing pain to get info from a dictators hairdresser or w/e is also unnecessary but people feel like its best)

5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad.

(i think people have rights and while i dont agree with them taking "under God" out of the pledge, its mainly because the guy that brought it up just wanted money and fame. but excuse me, this is a democracy :eek: , and that means that if you dont like how things are run, you can change them.

6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it.

(ok, call the press i agree with you. but that is a harsh way to put it. if some of these people are raped and you tell them to "Deal with it." i would tell you that you were friggin crazy.)

7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out.

(o and bush is sending invitations to let them in :headbang: , you know i would agree with you more if you had a little more tact.)

8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care."

(it doesnt affect you in virtually anyway no matter what happens, its the Puerto Ricans choice, let them deal with it.)

9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.

(lemme give you a preview of what is to come of that happens: :mp5: :sniper: :gundge: , see if we have too much power and a bad president later, we could be at war before he was out of office. i know its offtopic, but im reading 1984 and i learned that power is good if used right, and we cant guarantee it will be used right if we have to switch out leaders every 4-8 years.

I have more to say, but I can't think of anything else. I know that this will get flame after flame, and you know what? I stand by everything I have said.

I'm going to await the flaming, the point of this thread is to share my beliefs.


i think you only did this to start a debate and that you are arguing for the sake of arguing.

Mmmmm ... I would have your babies.

You know you would.

Does this rag smell like Chlorofoam to you?

Well ... my mother also taught me that opinions are like assholes. Everyone's got one and they all stink.

So ... meh. :D

hehe. That is pretty funny

Does this rag smell like Chlorofoam to you?

As a matter of fact, yes it .... *thunk*

Zukariaa']Now, I know that this will probably make a lot of people hate me and flame me. I'm going to say this right now; I'm proud of EVERYTHING I believe in and if you don't like it, I don't care.

So..

1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it.

2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.

3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves.

4) I don't care if the military tortures POWs. Why? Because they're the enemy and if there is no other way to get the info they might have, we might as well. Torture for no reason, no.

5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad.

6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it.

7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out.

8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care."

9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.

I have more to say, but I can't think of anything else. I know that this will get flame after flame, and you know what? I stand by everything I have said.

I'm going to await the flaming, the point of this thread is to share my beliefs.

1) I do believe in god, but I will never read the bible. Why is that? Because the bible was written by a human being, giving it the easy doubt of it being true or not. So as far as I'm concerned, it's just a book, but not one I'd read.

2) I don't mind homosexuals, as I am one myself. I think Christianity's view of Homosexuals being condemed to hell is pathetic, and just overly unfair to those who live a good life, but choose to love one of the same gender.

3) I was kind of ticked at George Bush deciding to go to War. I felt that he only started the war on terror in Iraq to settle something his dad never finished, and of course, for oil.

4) Torture is pathetic. Sure, at times it can be useful, but in my opinion, it's inhumane, especially some of the methods used for torture. As for torturing prisoners of war, so what? They're prisoners, but they don't deserve to be tortured just because of that. That's like kicking someone when they're down. It's a low blow and it's pathetic.

5) I think people are getting TOO patriotic. Seriously, this random crap about "Freedom Fries" and other crap, hell, I just heard Pepsi is doing some kind of "Freedom" thing for their soda. It needs to die down a bit. I love the fact that people are getting more patriot, but it's starting to overflow a bit.

6) I support abortion. Sure, you're killing a life, but it's not your body. It's the person who's having it's body, and they deserve the final say in what they want.

7) America is supposed to be the Land of the Free...but if we turn people away, we're taking away from that definition, because we're excluding people who wish to share that same freedom that we're telling people we have.

8) I think while America is a good Super Power, I think it's time we stopped acting like this supreme Country that can do anything, even if that includes butting into other people's problems and trying to shove our beliefs down them by putting one of OUR people in power in their country, so that they can't disagree to wanting democracy. Look how many enemies it's made us already <_<

Zukariaa']Now, I know that this will probably make a lot of people hate me and flame me. I'm going to say this right now; I'm proud of EVERYTHING I believe in and if you don't like it, I don't care.

So..So what possessed you to post this load of bollox?

You should be glad this is what I believe, for if it wasn't, I might feel tempted to kick you so hard, you'd need surgery to remove my boot.The sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number, is self-protection. That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilised community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant. He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinion of others, to do so would be wise, or even right... The only part of the conduct of anyone, for which he is amenable to society, is that which concerns others. In the part which merely concerns himself, his independence is, of right, absolute. Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign.

Nothing wrong with believing in God. The more interesting question would be do you believe in the idea of God or the entity of God? If you believe the Bible because what it says rings true in your heart, then I would say that would be a belief in the idea of God. To determine if you believe in the entity of God, take the Abraham test: would you kill your own child, just because God told you to? No, don't answer, just consider the answer.
I guess there isn't much to answer here.

Not a problem. Many people are arachnophobes too. It only matters when one is expected to deal with spiders. Just a hint though: I would not mention this particular belief during a job interview. It may make it difficult to find employment.
I would have no reason to mention it..

And how exactly do you support him? If it's by not interfering with his plans, then you support him as much as I do, and I can't stand the man. Really though, the war on terror will only be won if it is fought with ideas, not bombs. I have yet to figure out what the difference is between "terrorism" and "shock & awe".
I support what he is doing.

And, the War on Terror does not only include Jihadists and the like. It includes taking down governments that don't give their people the basic rights that all people deserve. Such as Pre-2003 Iraq.

And, not only the War on Terror. I support the rebuilding of Iraq. Giving them a democratic government and military is, in my eyes, a great thing.


I think I would be more concerned. Torture of POWs is prohibited by the Law of Armed Conflict. If the government is not going to play by its own rules during war, what makes one think that they will play by the rule of law during peacetime?
Because if they don't, the American people will take them out of office?
Seriously, though. Whatever it takes to win. If there is no other way to get the information you need, and it must be done..

Agreed that people should be more patriotic. However, if one does not like the way it is run, running away is not the answer. Seeking to change it is. Running away from problems only means one has to confront them later, usually at an inconvenient time.
I meant the way our government is run, as in our democracy? I'm talking about these pieces of crap who want Communism in America? Just an example. It isn't a huge problem, but it was just part of the point.


Pro-war and anti-abortion? How does one hold such ideas in their head without a trip to a funny farm? Maybe you could tell us at what age is life no longer sacred?
Since when am I pro-war? If it is possible to take down a dictatorship through diplomacy, cool. But it isn't.

War to do something good for people is what I support, if there is no other option.


No opinion. I do not know enough about the immigration process to take a stand one way or another.
Alright.

meh.
Meh.


Well, it'll last until another superpower comes along, like China, and if America tries to retain its spot as the world's only Superpower, then more than likely, there will be no superpowers left.
China wont likely become a superpower anytime soon. It had too many porblems to deal with.

2. Interesting view. I actually agree, not hating homosexuals (pitying them, actually) but despising homosexuality



People who would stand up and tell the people who they are, even though they know society can be a harsh judge upon them, yet they summon up the courage to not care what society thinks, and go with what their heart tells them.

People who have to take the insults and rude comments that are pushed toward them from arrogant idiots, not to mention, having to live with the fact that just because they decide to be different, there are many a people out there that will treat them as if they were lower on the scale then they were.

And yet most of them push that aside and make it through their days fine with their belief still in tact, and yet find ways to strengthen it.

Yeah, that's REALLY a pity right there. I'd say I pity everyone else, for having to think they had to pity and try to push down someone who'd want to try to stand up and make themselves heard.

"9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere."

How can you prognosticate on foreign policy when you aren't even able to correctly determine whether a contraction apostrophe belongs in the possessive form of 'its'?

The rest of your 'beliefs' are just a humorous ensemble of zombie-like imperialist rhetoric. Enjoy your future theocracy.

Zukariaa']
So..

1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it..
I believe in a god but i don't believe in the christian version. I believe god is outside of our full understanding and religion is a coruption of faith by man. I don't believe that our entrance to heaven is based off of whether or not you believe in a god or by what name you call him. I believe that we are examined based on our actions.

[QUOTE='[NS]Zukariaa'] 2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity..[QUOTE]
I don't believe in catagorizing people. I know some homosexuals who freak me and and some that I don't mind.
[QUOTE='[NS]Zukariaa']3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves..[QUOTE]
I agree with the need to be there but i'm disapointed in the handeling of the war. There was way to much civilian input. The civilian leadership should have the military run the conflict its own way. There are a lot ov similarities to the Vietnam war.
[QUOTE='[NS]Zukariaa']4) I don't care if the military tortures POWs. Why? Because they're the enemy and if there is no other way to get the info they might have, we might as well. Torture for no reason, no..[QUOTE]
I disagree for a couple of reasons. First torture effects both parties. 2nd we should be above the evil that we are fighting. yes I know that it makes fighting it more difficult but to disreguard our morals is negate the whole reason for being in iraq.
[QUOTE='[NS]Zukariaa']5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad..[QUOTE]
The great thing about this country is ones ability to disagree with the government. While i don't agree with burning of the flag i don't think it should be illegle. As for the pledge personally i can see the argument that it should not be included, but i think there are more important things to worry about in this world.
[QUOTE='[NS]Zukariaa']6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it..[QUOTE]
There is no point arguing this because I'm pro choice that isnt going to change and you are pro life and that isn't going to change

[QUOTE='[NS]Zukariaa']7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out..[QUOTE]
I think we should get rid of the problem people and keep the ones who are willing to stay out of trouble, learn the language, pay taxes, and get a job.

[QUOTE='[NS]Zukariaa']8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care.".[QUOTE]
Statehood brings up some issues that need to be worked out but if they want it i'm willing to accept it.
[QUOTE='[NS]Zukariaa']9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.[QUOTE]
Retention of the superpower is not just based on military power. That is only one method of power. While the US is maintaining its military power it loses its economic power pratically every day. Its sad but i'm starting to see signs in the waining of american dominence.


edit: I really messed up the quotes

1) I do believe in god, but I will never read the bible. Why is that? Because the bible was written by a human being, giving it the easy doubt of it being true or not. So as far as I'm concerned, it's just a book, but not one I'd read.

2) I don't mind homosexuals, as I am one myself. I think Christianity's view of Homosexuals being condemed to hell is pathetic, and just overly unfair to those who live a good life, but choose to love one of the same gender.

3) I was kind of ticked at George Bush deciding to go to War. I felt that he only started the war on terror in Iraq to settle something his dad never finished, and of course, for oil.

4) Torture is pathetic. Sure, at times it can be useful, but in my opinion, it's inhumane, especially some of the methods used for torture. As for torturing prisoners of war, so what? They're prisoners, but they don't deserve to be tortured just because of that. That's like kicking someone when they're down. It's a low blow and it's pathetic.

5) I think people are getting TOO patriotic. Seriously, this random crap about "Freedom Fries" and other crap, hell, I just heard Pepsi is doing some kind of "Freedom" thing for their soda. It needs to die down a bit. I love the fact that people are getting more patriot, but it's starting to overflow a bit.

6) I support abortion. Sure, you're killing a life, but it's not your body. It's the person who's having it's body, and they deserve the final say in what they want.

7) America is supposed to be the Land of the Free...but if we turn people away, we're taking away from that definition, because we're excluding people who wish to share that same freedom that we're telling people we have.

8) I think while America is a good Super Power, I think it's time we stopped acting like this supreme Country that can do anything, even if that includes butting into other people's problems and trying to shove our beliefs down them by putting one of OUR people in power in their country, so that they can't disagree to wanting democracy. Look how many enemies it's made us already <_<

1. Go ahead. Good luck in hell. ;)

2. See comment 1

3. This is very comical. People always say that it is a war for oil, and yet we have no more oil! Strange, isn't it?

4. I don't have too much of an opinion here, other than we should do what it takes to win. However, I must argue with the last part. It would be low and cowardly if we had not bested them in order to capture them. They deserve whatever they get for being weak enough to be captured (a bit radical, I know). Still, it is good to see that someone else respects honor here.

5. What you are identifying as patriotism is just stupid or lazy patriotism. "Freedom Fries"?! Give me a break! That is not patriotism!

6. On that logic, you should let people get absolutely hammered and then go driving. After all, it is just the lives of various innocents (likely less innocent than the baby, who is completely innocent) who were on the road or sidewalk! We shouldn't let that interfere with the person's right to do what they want with their body!

7. We are the land of the free . . . as in the people that live here are free . . . not that it is free to come here. I am too fed up at this point to post my argument again, just look it up one of the other times I posted it.

8. I agree that whether or not someone else is a democracy is not our business. Those people did not pay for the American government, they should reap non of the rewards.

"9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere."

How can you prognosticate on foreign policy when you aren't even able to correctly determine whether a contraction apostrophe belongs in the possessive form of 'its'?

The rest of your 'beliefs' are just a humorous ensemble of zombie-like imperialist rhetoric. Enjoy your future theocracy.
That is so lame. I respect people who offer counter arguments but you attacking the gramaticle errors and the just say your wrong is just pathetic.

"9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere."

How can you prognosticate on foreign policy when you aren't even able to correctly determine whether a contraction apostrophe belongs in the possessive form of 'its'?

The rest of your 'beliefs' are just a humorous ensemble of zombie-like imperialist rhetoric. Enjoy your future theocracy.

Good job. You just resorted to outright flaming. Go away. This is for actual discussion, not making fun of someone's grammar.

I'm not the one trying to condemn people, so I won't be the one going to Hell.

and maybe you haven't noticed, but this isn't a game. It's not about Winning or losing <_<

As for your comment as "for them being weak and captured." So you're saying when people get picked on by bullies in school, they deserve it because they're weak?

and you still admit that it's Patriotism, one form or another. It doesn't matter what kind it is, it's still Patriotism.

And there's a difference between getting drunk and going driving, and getting an abortion, especially in rape cases. Because when you're drinking, you're MAKING that choice to drink, then go out on the road. However, a woman being raped doesn't have the choice, so the end result isn't her fault, because she had no say in it, which is why she deserves a say on whether she wants an abortion or not.

And no, we never limited on America's definition of "Land of the Free." It has always been just that. Meaning we're practically saying "Hey, if you want to live in a country where you want to be free, come here!" And if we say people can't come here, we are changing that, and adding to more reasons on why we're slowly not as "Free as we used to be."

ok, i can't quote it but that one thing you said about removing dictatorships from power being the primary focus of the war on terror...great idea. One problem, there are so many horrible repressive dictatorships in the world there is no way and country or even group of countries could stabalize them all under nice democratic rule unless they revolt and we promise to help. On the other stuff, I don't agree at all and it would just make me mad to sit here and argue it with you

I just thought of something on the abortion debate, another question to add:

If a drunk driver does kill someone, who has consieved, do you try him for the murder of 2?

Zukariaa']Now, I know that this will probably make a lot of people hate me and flame me. I'm going to say this right now; I'm proud of EVERYTHING I believe in and if you don't like it, I don't care.

So..

1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it.
I beleive in the Bible, but following it word for word is... not smart. It's been translated a zillion times, for all we know the original was. "Good bye, good luck, good ridince."

2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.
Don't agree, but as ong as you don't attack or discriminate, whatever.

3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves.
No opinion.

4) I don't care if the military tortures POWs. Why? Because they're the enemy and if there is no other way to get the info they might have, we might as well. Torture for no reason, no.

I wholeheartedly agree.

5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad.
Patriotism is good. Stopping free speech is bad. The pledge of allegence should be manditory. 'nuff saif.

6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it.
I'm not a woman, as such I have decided to have no opinion.

7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out.
... *Resists the urge to hurt you*
8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care."
No opinion.
9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.

That'd be great, but it'll never happen. We will collapse and China will pwn the Earth.

ok, i can't quote it but that one thing you said about removing dictatorships from power being the primary focus of the war on terror...great idea. One problem, there are so many horrible repressive dictatorships in the world there is no way and country or even group of countries could stabalize them all under nice democratic rule unless they revolt and we promise to help. On the other stuff, I don't agree at all and it would just make me mad to sit here and argue it with you
I never said it was the main focus of the War on Terror, I said it was part of the war. A major part. Many dictators trade with terrorist organizations, and they have enough power to make those organizations much more powerful.


And no, we never limited on America's definition of "Land of the Free." It has always been just that. Meaning we're practically saying "Hey, if you want to live in a country where you want to be free, come here!" And if we say people can't come here, we are changing that, and adding to more reasons on why we're slowly not as "Free as we used to be."
I don't think people are reading everything I say. I said that they should have to go through every porcess needed to become a full citizen, instead of barging into our country and doing whatever they want.

I'm not the one trying to condemn people, so I won't be the one going to Hell.

and maybe you haven't noticed, but this isn't a game. It's not about Winning or losing <_<

As for your comment as "for them being weak and captured." So you're saying when people get picked on by bullies in school, they deserve it because they're weak?

and you still admit that it's Patriotism, one form or another. It doesn't matter what kind it is, it's still Patriotism.

And there's a difference between getting drunk and going driving, and getting an abortion, especially in rape cases. Because when you're drinking, you're MAKING that choice to drink, then go out on the road. However, a woman being raped doesn't have the choice, so the end result isn't her fault, because she had no say in it, which is why she deserves a say on whether she wants an abortion or not.

And no, we never limited on America's definition of "Land of the Free." It has always been just that. Meaning we're practically saying "Hey, if you want to live in a country where you want to be free, come here!" And if we say people can't come here, we are changing that, and adding to more reasons on why we're slowly not as "Free as we used to be."

1. That's not how it works, but I am not here to debate theology

2. There is a difference between adults and children, as well as civil and military matters

3. Fine, but it is stupid patriotism as opposed to real patriotism. Perhaps he should have been more clear

4. No. The choice of drinking then driving is like the choice of the woman to have the abortion, not to have sex. In the end, the active choice of the woman to kill the baby is worse, as it is definately killing a baby, whereas the person deciding to drive is just being stupid.

5. Brush up on your history, then we'll talk

1. That's not how it works, but I am not here to debate theology

2. There is a difference between adults and children, as well as civil and military matters

3. Fine, but it is stupid patriotism as opposed to real patriotism. Perhaps he should have been more clear

4. No. The choice of drinking then driving is like the choice of the woman to have the abortion, not to have sex. In the end, the active choice of the woman to kill the baby is worse, as it is definately killing a baby, whereas the person deciding to drive is just being stupid.

5. Brush up on your history, then we'll talk

So if some guy was beating up someone weaker then him for no reason, that'd be different than a bully picking on a weaker kid? I see no difference besides age. Just because they're older doesn't mean they're different. That goes for civil and military matters as well. Kicking a prisoner when they're down is the same as if you were kicking a person in a fair fight down, kid or adult. They can't defend themselves, yet you'll take advantage of that and attack the person, because you feel they deserve it.

No matter how much you try to morph the situation, it's the same.

And no, we never limited on America's definition of "Land of the Free." It has always been just that. Meaning we're practically saying "Hey, if you want to live in a country where you want to be free, come here!" And if we say people can't come here, we are changing that, and adding to more reasons on why we're slowly not as "Free as we used to be."

I agree that we are not as free as we say we are. And i can back up the quote "...come here" because we accepted the Statue of Liberty and still stand by it as a national symbol: "Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses."

1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it.
I may disagree with you, but freedom of religion is great, so I won't bother you about it. Just make sure that said beliefs do not unduly infringe upon our government and our laws. Separation of church and state and all that jazz.
2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.
Fine. Just keep your irrational fears and hatreds to yourself.
3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves.
Finally, a matter of fact. The so-called "War on Terror" is by definition impossible to win, and has only destroyed our international reputation and aided the terrorists in their recruitment efforts. Why did we even invade Iraq anyway? It sure as hell wasn't to find any WMDs...
4) I don't care if the military tortures POWs. Why? Because they're the enemy and if there is no other way to get the info they might have, we might as well. Torture for no reason, no.
Torture is always wrong. What, you want to sink to the barbaric levels of Stalin and Mao in your quest for justice?
5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad.
Actually, if you don't like the way the country is, you should join with like-minded fellows and try to make a difference. That's kinda the whole point of democracy... And the Pledge is not mandatory, by the way. Ever heard of freedom of speech?
6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it.
I agree with you there -- to a point. Abortions performed before the fetus is conscious presents no real ethical problem: only the *potential* for human life is being extinguished. Late-term abortions, on the other hand, should only be legal when the mother's life is in danger.
7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out.
Wrong. They should be forced to go through a naturalization process, but it would be impossible to force them all out. The protesting thing is right on, by the way.
8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care."
Don't know much about that, so I won't comment. But I thought that PR was happy in its current status?
9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.
Fair enough. But we also need the discipline to exercise that power responsibly.
I have more to say, but I can't think of anything else. I know that this will get flame after flame, and you know what? I stand by everything I have said.

I'm going to await the flaming, the point of this thread is to share my beliefs.
Standing by your beliefs doesn't make them right. Facts and logic do.

Zukariaa']I never said it was the main focus of the War on Terror, I said it was part of the war. A major part. Many dictators trade with terrorist organizations, and they have enough power to make those organizations much more powerful.



I don't think people are reading everything I say. I said that they should have to go through every porcess needed to become a full citizen, instead of barging into our country and doing whatever they want.


lol, I wasn't replying to your post, I was replying to Errikland's, I read everything you said :)

I agree that we are not as free as we say we are. And i can back up the quote "...come here" because we accepted the Statue of Liberty and still stand by it as a national symbol: "Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses."
After they go through the processes of becoming a citizen.

Zukariaa']After they go through the processes of becoming a citizen.

his point was that the symbol itself is practically saying that we would accept anyone who would want to come into the nation for the same freedom we hold. Because Errikland is arguing that we don't encourage having people come here.

Zukariaa']After they go through the processes of becoming a citizen.

Yes, that I agree on, But we shouldn't force 'em out... yet. If these protests continue, they are denying the fact that they do want to live here, so by all means bring out the tear gas and billy clubs :D

I may disagree with you, but freedom of religion is great, so I won't bother you about it. Just make sure that said beliefs do not unduly infringe upon our government and our laws. Separation of church and state and all that jazz.
I don't really care for seperation of Church and State, but it can get in the way of the way a lot of the time.


Fine. Just keep your irrational fears and hatreds to yourself.
They arn't fears and it isn't hatred.

Finally, a matter of fact. The so-called "War on Terror" is by definition impossible to win, and has only destroyed our international reputation and aided the terrorists in their recruitment efforts. Why did we even invade Iraq anyway? It sure as hell wasn't to find any WMDs...
We've found nearly 500 WMD's since we entered Iraq.

Torture is always wrong. What, you want to sink to the barbaric levels of Stalin and Mao in your quest for justice?
Of course it is wrong. Like I've said before, if there is absolutely no other way to get the information we need and we know for sure that a person has information, then we should do whatever is needed to get that info.

Actually, if you don't like the way the country is, you should join with like-minded fellows and try to make a difference. That's kinda the whole point of democracy... And the Pledge is not mandatory, by the way. Ever heard of freedom of speech?
Like I've said before, I was speaking of these groups who want Communism in America. They arn't a big problem, but it's part of the point.

I agree with you there -- to a point. Abortions performed before the fetus is conscious presents no real ethical problem: only the *potential* for human life is being extinguished. Late-term abortions, on the other hand, should only be legal when the mother's life is in danger.
It's all a matter of what you consider life. I don't see how a Fetus is not Human life, but whatever.

Wrong. They should be forced to go through a naturalization process, but it would be impossible to force them all out. The protesting thing is right on, by the way.
That is what I want. I want them to go through the processes instead of coming into America and thinking they can do what everyone else does.


Don't know much about that, so I won't comment. But I thought that PR was happy in its current status?
In their current state, they cannot vote. I don't think they like that, so polls have been held repeatadly to find out what they want. So far "No Oppinion" is the only thing that beats Statehood.

For some reason, I like the issues that come up in US territories.

Fair enough. But we also need the discipline to exercise that power responsibly.
Of course. That is always needed. ;)

Standing by your beliefs doesn't make them right. Facts and logic do.
They make them right for me.

Zukariaa']They make them right for me.

And that is the foundation of faith.

What a waste.

"Patriotism is good. Stopping free speech is bad. The pledge of allegence should be manditory. 'nuff saif."

Everyone should study this sentence until their head explodes.

I may disagree with you, but freedom of religion is great, so I won't bother you about it. Just make sure that said beliefs do not unduly infringe upon our government and our laws. Separation of church and state and all that jazz.

You have that one backwards. The First Ammendments Establishment Clause actually reads "Congrees shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibitng the free exercise thereof;..."
The whole idea of seperation of Church and State is that the government and its laws cannot infringe upon the rights of individual citizens and their practice of religion. A citizens religious beliefs dont infringe upon the government since the government really has little to no rights in regards to religion. As to the law, well sometimes religious belief can lead you to breaking some laws. This however is a civil matter. It is not an issue of seperation of church and state. it is an issue of an individuals beliefs leading them to make personal decisions on behavior and the consequences of that behavior. A good example of that would be Martin Luther King Jr. and many others who practiced peaceful resistance and civil disobediance int he civil rights movement. Hey they broke the law. Of course there are cases of ones religious beliefs going against the law that are not so, well in my eyes morally acceptable. However this does not change that the breaking of law, for whatever reason is always a civil matter and has nothing to do with religion as far as the Government is concerned. As to the individual, well his/her belief is none of the governments bussines, really.

Another troll? Where do you people come from, all of a sudden?

Zukariaa']Now, I know that this will probably make a lot of people hate me and flame me. I'm going to say this right now; I'm proud of EVERYTHING I believe in and if you don't like it, I don't care.

So..

1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it.

2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.

3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves.

4) I don't care if the military tortures POWs. Why? Because they're the enemy and if there is no other way to get the info they might have, we might as well. Torture for no reason, no.

5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad.

6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it.

7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out.

8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care."

9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.

I have more to say, but I can't think of anything else. I know that this will get flame after flame, and you know what? I stand by everything I have said.

I'm going to await the flaming, the point of this thread is to share my beliefs.

This is only meant to instigate. You do not actually believe all this stuff.

so folks, DON'T FEED THE TROLL

Zukariaa']Now, I know that this will probably make a lot of people hate me and flame me. I'm going to say this right now; I'm proud of EVERYTHING I believe in and if you don't like it, I don't care.

So..

1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it.

2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.

3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves.

4) I don't care if the military tortures POWs. Why? Because they're the enemy and if there is no other way to get the info they might have, we might as well. Torture for no reason, no.

5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad.

6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it.

7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out.

8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care."

9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.

I have more to say, but I can't think of anything else. I know that this will get flame after flame, and you know what? I stand by everything I have said.

I'm going to await the flaming, the point of this thread is to share my beliefs.

I hope you to be raped by a illegal mexican inmigrant, gay, of course, being a communist member of al-Qaeda (weird, isn't it?), after taking your job 'cause he makes it better than you. It should be done on your fucking flag (I don't want to be unrespectful about it, but someone who respect it more than people desserve it to be heared), while thousands of "corrupts" mariachis, wearing an US army uniform sing an independentist Puerto Rico song.:upyours:

Seriously, with people like you, I advise to keep being the only superpower (wich of course has to be an end, empires are more and more fast declining in history), 'cause you'll get the hate of rest of the world. Luckily, crazy bastards like you aren't a mayority in this big country that is USA.


I feed this trolled to see him explode like in The meaning of life (Monty Pithon):D

Zukariaa']Now, I know that this will probably make a lot of people hate me and flame me. I'm going to say this right now; I'm proud of EVERYTHING I believe in and if you don't like it, I don't care.

So..

1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it.

2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.

3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves.

4) I don't care if the military tortures POWs. Why? Because they're the enemy and if there is no other way to get the info they might have, we might as well. Torture for no reason, no.

5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad.

6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it.

7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out.

8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care."

9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.

I have more to say, but I can't think of anything else. I know that this will get flame after flame, and you know what? I stand by everything I have said.

I'm going to await the flaming, the point of this thread is to share my beliefs.


Well.. If we're all stating our beleifs.

1) I don't give a damn whether or not there is or is not a God. Either way he has no say over what I do, and if he wants it, he can shove it where the sun don't shine. I don't know if there is one, and certainly not whether or not he/she/it has a holy book, or which book it is, and I'm not wasting my time on something so inconsequential and esentially stupid. If he/she/it condemns me to a place of eternal suffering... Well... I'll know I was right and that it was a useless peice of shit, and that will be my victory.

2) I don't really give a fuck what a person does with another consenting person.

3) I'm not a big fan of war, and I'm really not a fan of Iraq. It's an expensive, valueless quagmire which is expensive, based on false intelligence, and which we seem incapable of fixing. Now either (1) we need a new strategy to use so that we can make things better, not worse, or (2) we need to give up and go.

4) Torture is shame. Noone, no matter what they have done, deserves torture. It is innefective, cruel, and demeaning to your own morality. What victory is there in winning by account of becoming what your foe wants you to be.

5) I think patriotism is a waste of time. We should spend that time on important things, like fighting for real freedoms, working towards bettering the world with charity and diplomacy, and living happy, valueble lives. I think that patriots show sheep-mindsets and that they need to free their minds. Nations are nothing to be proud of (only the accomplishments of others. I am proud of Thomas Jefferson, but I am not proud of America).

6) A fetus isn't alive, it isn't a human, and it doesn't have rights. It is just a lump of cells until the third trimester. I think that third-trimester abortions should be outlawed, except in cases where the mother would die from the childbirth. I don't really care about the "moral debate" because it's the creation of people who don't understand basic facts.

7) I think that the US should open it's borders to anyone with a background check who applies to go in. After that, it is reasonable to send back illegal immigrants. Until then, they're here for the good of their families, and have every right to be.

8) I think that any people have the right to chose what nation they belong to, and that Puerto Rico will make it's own descision in it's own good time.

9) America should face the future realistically. There is no chance of remaining a superpower with the rise of the far-east. It is better to build a sustainable economy and to expect to be a small player in the global scene for a while. Even Rome fell.

Wait a tick - you want this "War on Terror" shite, and say that you should hunt down Osama bin Laden, but you don't agree with abortion.

So as long as people are alive, it's OK to kill them in horrible ways, but it's not OK to end a pregnancy when it's in the womb.

That logic doesn't really work.

I mean, sure, an abortion could mean that a human never gets born, but it could mean that the next Osama never gets born.

Zukariaa]We've found nearly 500 WMD's since we entered Iraq.
Actually, we've found fucking zero. Not a milligram of uranium, not a spore of anthrax, not a drop of botulinum or mustard gas or anything. Nada. Zip. ZERO. If you're going to claim there were 500 instances of the US finding substances such as these in Saddam's possession, then please link to a reputable news article.

Oh, and patriotism is not only a waste of time, it's just watered-down racism. Do you know why Hitler gained power? Too much patriotism. It's a damned bad thing-- I'll defend things like the First Amendment to the death, and I will defend people, but I have no need to invent something called "America" in order to feel passionate about anything.

Seriously, with people like you, I advise to keep being the only superpower (wich of course has to be an end, empires are more and more fast declining in history), 'cause you'll get the hate of rest of the world. Luckily, crazy bastards like you aren't a mayority in this big country that is USA.
Actually... whether they're a majority or not, they rig the elections, so that's pretty irrelevant.

Here goes nothing...

Zukariaa']Now, I know that this will probably make a lot of people hate me and flame me. I'm going to say this right now; I'm proud of EVERYTHING I believe in and if you don't like it, I don't care.

So..

1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it.

2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.

3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves.

4) I don't care if the military tortures POWs. Why? Because they're the enemy and if there is no other way to get the info they might have, we might as well. Torture for no reason, no.

5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad.

6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it.

7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out.

8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care."

9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.

I have more to say, but I can't think of anything else. I know that this will get flame after flame, and you know what? I stand by everything I have said.

I'm going to await the flaming, the point of this thread is to share my beliefs.

1 The Bible has its good parts, but it also has parts that portray God as... kind of antisocial. I don't believe in God, however, and I think it's better to be a good person than a good christian. The two do not automatically go together.

2 I haven't met a lot of homosexual people (as far as I know.) However, you should never judge people based only on their sexual orientation, or any other single fact.

3 They *did* throw out two totalitarian Islamic dictatorships, but I do not believe it to be for purely altruistic reasons. The problem is that they're doing a very sucky job at rebuilding Iraq and Afghanistan.

4 This'd put the US military on the same line as the military of Nazi Germany and the USSR, and the terrorist groups they're presently fighting. I'm not sure if you Americans want that.

5 Meh. Be as patriotic or un-patriotic as you want, as long as you don't go around throwing stones at those who do not play 'God Bless America' all day at maximum volume or beat up people with burning flags. :p

6 Abortion should be allowed in some cases. If a woman got pregnant through rape, she should be allowed abortion if she wants it. If a woman got pregnant through being a total slut, I'm not sure if she'd make a good parent, but she shouldn't be allowed abortion.

7 As it stands, it seems kind of hard for them to become legal, unless they bring some money with 'em. I don't know much of the situation, but it looks like this: They came to the US to make money. To stay in the US, they need money. To get money, they need jobs. To need jobs, they need to be legal. Their only options are to do menial illegal work for practically no salary, or even more illegal jobs like being a prostitute or drug dealer. You can see what the easier, more rewarding option is, but it causes more trouble.

8 No comment. I don't really know what you're talking about here.

9 Apart from the old cliche'd bit about power corrupting, I believe the US should look to its own internal problems before trying to solve those of other countries with the good ol' M16. I'm not saying the internal problems should be solved with that, either. The world, as a whole, is better off without any superpowers.

I mean, sure, an abortion could mean that a human never gets born, but it could mean that the next Osama never gets born.


Actually, we've found fucking zero. Not a milligram of uranium, not a spore of anthrax, not a drop of botulinum or mustard gas or anything. Nada. Zip. ZERO. If you're going to claim there were 500 instances of the US finding substances such as these in Saddam's possession, then please link to a reputable news article.

Oh, and patriotism is not only a waste of time, it's just watered-down racism. Do you know why Hitler gained power? Too much patriotism. It's a damned bad thing-- I'll defend things like the First Amendment to the death, and I will defend people, but I have no need to invent something called "America" in order to feel passionate about anything.


Actually... whether they're a majority or not, they rig the elections, so that's pretty irrelevant.


I would truelly love/pay to see that! How 'bout we send you to Iraq with an AK-47 and wish you the best of luck. I bet after 1 day we would find you curled up and crying in a shity cave like the one we found Saddam in.

I am sick and tired of people bashing others for having the courage to say what they believe in; they're just being honest with who they are. I don't see you making yourself vulnerable. I'm sure he doesn't want to be defended by someone else, but really I'm not doing it just for him, but everyone that gets critised for saying an opinion.

And to Gadiristan: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :upyours:

I would truelly love/pay to see that! How 'bout we send you to Iraq with an AK-47 and wish you the best of luck. I bet after 1 day we would find you curled up and crying in a shity cave like the one we found Saddam in.

And to Gadiristan: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :upyours:


First of all, thanks for your arguments to me, you've conviced me.

And two, why has anyone to go to Irak to prove I don't know what? Probably, if I'd be sended to Irak, I'll leave the army and live my life in another country, without taking part a bloodbath.

First of all, thanks for your arguments to me, you've conviced me.

And two, why has anyone to go to Irak to prove I don't know what? Probably, if I'd be sended to Irak, I'll leave the army and live my life in another country, without taking part a bloodbath.

I think you mean Iraq. And I "dared" Anglachel and Anguirel to go to Iraq, not you, because he stated he would defend rights yada yada to the death yada yada.

The last part was to you because of what you said to Zuk.

Good for you for being brave enough to state your opinions :D.

Zukariaa']Now, I know that this will probably make a lot of people hate me and flame me. I'm going to say this right now; I'm proud of EVERYTHING I believe in and if you don't like it, I don't care.

So..

1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it.

2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.

3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves.

4) I don't care if the military tortures POWs. Why? Because they're the enemy and if there is no other way to get the info they might have, we might as well. Torture for no reason, no.

5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad.

6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it.

7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out.

8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care."

9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.

I have more to say, but I can't think of anything else. I know that this will get flame after flame, and you know what? I stand by everything I have said.

I'm going to await the flaming, the point of this thread is to share my beliefs.

ok then I believe the following:
The OP is a moron.

Couple of things to mention and on the rest I can't be arsed:

2) You are aware of this, right?

pho·bi·a n.
A persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous.
(dictionary.com, with similar variations)

4) POW or aid worker in the wrong place at the wrong time? These people were not in uniform. Since there has been no trial, no evidence or anything else which an accused person might reasonably expect, how sure are you that they are prisoners of war? Why not people just picked off the street and locked up?

Plus of course if you are going to confine, condemn and torture people on a whim, with that level of contempt for the geneva convention and basic human rights, you are giving everyone else a free hand to do the same to you. So the next time a US soldier, aid worker or even tourist is captured by some group in a world trouble spot, tortured to death and left hanging in bits by a road, we'll assume that's ok with you too since they will be playing by the same rules.

As an example, take this guy:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/3498428.stm
His story is: Travelling student of Islamic religion, going from Pakistan to Iran. Arrested by the taleban (that's the bad guys, to you) and locked up in prison. US arrives and accuses this guy (still in his cell) of being a spy for the taleban. Banged up in guantanemo. No trial, no charges, no rights whatsoever.

And what evidence is required by the US for this? None whatsoever.

Showing a great example of justice to the world.

Zukariaa']Now, I know that this will probably make a lot of people hate me and flame me. I'm going to say this right now; I'm proud of EVERYTHING I believe in and if you don't like it, I don't care.

So..

1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it.

2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.

3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves.

4) I don't care if the military tortures POWs. Why? Because they're the enemy and if there is no other way to get the info they might have, we might as well. Torture for no reason, no.

5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad.

6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it.

7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out.

8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care."

9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.

I have more to say, but I can't think of anything else. I know that this will get flame after flame, and you know what? I stand by everything I have said.

I'm going to await the flaming, the point of this thread is to share my beliefs.


You're are proud of what you believe, OK. What we want to know is that are they right (in the moral sense in most of these cases). That is, have you refleced upon the asuumptions that your beliefs are based on? Have you examined the validity of these assumptions and what is the process that you have used to examine these assumptions?

Don't be proud of your beliefs, be proud that your beliefs are rationally justifiable, not that you just believe them.

Zukariaa']
They arn't fears and it isn't hatred.

Zukariaa']I'm a homophobe.
Hypocrite :D

I think you mean Iraq. And I "dared" Anglachel and Anguirel to go to Iraq, not you, because he stated he would defend rights yada yada to the death yada yada.

The last part was to you because of what you said to Zuk.

What has the fighting in Iraq got to do with American's right to free speech?

Zukariaa']Now, I know that this will probably make a lot of people hate me and flame me. I'm going to say this right now; I'm proud of EVERYTHING I believe in and if you don't like it, I don't care.

So..

1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it.

2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.

3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves.

4) I don't care if the military tortures POWs. Why? Because they're the enemy and if there is no other way to get the info they might have, we might as well. Torture for no reason, no.

5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad.

6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it.

7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out.

8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care."

9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.

I have more to say, but I can't think of anything else. I know that this will get flame after flame, and you know what? I stand by everything I have said.

I'm going to await the flaming, the point of this thread is to share my beliefs.
(1) You're a closeminded fool, you hear me?! :p
(2) Is that why I know plenty of homosexual Christians? God is love, and all who love know God. (I don't know the exact quote for that line, but oh well).
(3) We had Osama corned right before Bush decided to go to Iraq. We would've gotten him within the month, but we let him slip away and probably will never find him again because we invaded Iraq.
(4) "Forgive thy enemies"-seriously, you call yourself a Christian and support that shit?
(5) Don't like the first admement? Go away.
(6) Wow...let me guess, you're a guy? Let me tell you something. Us guys, we don't get to decide whether a women can get an abortion or not, and rightfully so. Once you're capable of child bearing, we can talk.
(7) They have the right to live and not get beaten. Why? What do they do? Steal your jobs? OMG, there's an American, let's steal his job! 95% of the US is made up of immigrants, I'm a third generation immigrant on both sides. Get used to it.
(8) Peurto Rico statehood is fine by me.
(9) What good is a military when it's guided by an idiot?

I'm not going to flame you, i'm just going to stare blankly for a moment and then walk away.

...

OK, i'm done.

*walks away*

Step up folks and buy your "I saw the moron on NS Forums" t-shirts here.

Step up folks and buy your "I saw the moron on NS Forums" t-shirts here.

Can I add an S to that for an extra dollar? I've been on other threads in here, so I qualify ;)

Zukariaa']Now, I know that this will probably make a lot of people hate me and flame me. I'm going to say this right now; I'm proud of EVERYTHING I believe in and if you don't like it, I don't care.

I think you over-estimate how important you are to other people.

Sure, I think a lot of your beliefs are silly or hateful. But so what? Lots of people believe things that are silly or hateful, and most of those people are utterly harmless.

There's this odd habbit that some people have, where they feel compelled to share their feelings with the preface that "this may make some people mad, but..." or "it's not PC to say this, but..." In my experience, this is essentially the same as when somebody starts a sentence with, "I don't mean to be rude, but..." They know what they're about to say is rude, and they're being rude totally intentionally, but they want to appear to take the moral high ground at the same time.

You feel the need to share your beliefs. That's fine. You also know that many of your beliefs include rude or hateful elements. You know that the people you are rude or hateful toward will probably not be happy that you are being rude of hateful toward them. Yet, you want to make sure that you can enjoy the moral high ground, so you preface your sharing of your beliefs with a disclaimer that you hope will discredit anybody who chooses to criticize you.

While I do disagree with many of your stated beliefs, it is your choice of tactic that I find more disgraceful.

[NS]Zukariaa, you claim to be a christian, when much of your 'beliefs' are the opposite of christian teachings, I suggest you take the time to read a book you probably haven't heard of - The Bible.

Obviously, you look after your own interests first, and are a Christian second. Your only a Christian when it suits you.

When you die there is no god , you become worm food , there are no 72 vigins in paradise waiting when you kill yourself in a holy Jihad you are a bloody mess with some poor person to clean your shit up after you...
there is no just god waiting to pat you on the head and say "Your forgiven welcome to heaven" there is no satan waiting to BBQ your ass...
if your gay and your into bumming or carpet munching...good on ya go for it , nothing wrong with free expression.
If your a flag waving patriot..good on ya
just chill live life to the full , you know when you are on your death bed you made your friends and family happy and you left a good legacy..:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :upyours:

When you die there is no god , you become worm food , there are no 72 vigins in paradise waiting when you kill yourself in a holy Jihad you are a bloody mess with some poor person to clean your shit up after you...
there is no just god waiting to pat you on the head and say "Your forgiven welcome to heaven" there is no satan waiting to BBQ your ass...
if your gay and your into bumming or carpet munching...good on ya go for it , nothing wrong with free expression.
If your a flag waving patriot..good on ya
just chill live life to the full , you know when you are on your death bed you made your friends and family happy and you left a good legacy..:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :upyours:

wow, where did you get the first part of your speech from?

Can I add an S to that for an extra dollar? I've been on other threads in here, so I qualify ;)

I'll take twenty!

Zukariaa']Now, I know that this will probably make a lot of people hate me and flame me. I'm going to say this right now; I'm proud of EVERYTHING I believe in and if you don't like it, I don't care.

So..

1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it.

2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.

3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves.

4) I don't care if the military tortures POWs. Why? Because they're the enemy and if there is no other way to get the info they might have, we might as well. Torture for no reason, no.

5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad.

6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it.

7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out.

8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care."

9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.

I have more to say, but I can't think of anything else. I know that this will get flame after flame, and you know what? I stand by everything I have said.

I'm going to await the flaming, the point of this thread is to share my beliefs.
I believe you'd be better off keeping most of your beliefs to yourself.

Zukariaa']8) Not quite as controversial.

That's the only quote needed to fault your faith in these so-called personal beliefs. Controversy is, by nature, designed to shock in order to attract peoples' attention, and you've declared your position on these issues as such, indicating that you're rather ignorant.

For example, there's nothing remotely controversial about being anti-abortion; there are two sides to the matter, and you fall to the right.

I doubt you even care either way on any of these points. You are merely trying to annoy people by taking the stance you assume will conflict with that of the majority.

Hypocrite :D

Actually I think the word you're looking for is 'idiot'.

I considered flaming, harshly, but I'm unwilling to mock you to the level you deserve for fear of being banned. So, I'll leave it at this:

sux2bu.

Guys- two possibilities here.

First. This guy is sounding off in such a trollish way, begging for the flames, in order that, once he's hounded off the Forums, or banned, or just recieves enough negative response, he can fuck off with some sort of transcript of the whole deal, and put it on an ultraright (not "conservative", but "ultraright") blog or website, or sell it to some "fact" checker working for Anne Coulter.

There, now he's got his "evidence" for "why libs are more close-minded than they claim WE are". And it goes on Coulter's or Savage's or some other fuckin' unAmerican seditionist's website.

Hence, if my first suspicion is correct, this is jive and we're getting used. This puss is an apolitical opportunist looking to generate some fizz, and possibly get paid for it.

Second possibility- This guy actually thinks that by putting a huge manifesto up, but by armoring himself with "I don't care what you think", he looks like some kind of tough guy.

C'mon; what kind of a Fetal Alcohol Syndrome case are you? Of course you care. You desperately want attention of any kind.

You keyboard-jockey lame-o. You probably live in Indiana.:rolleyes:

You're so all-fired for your beliefs? Come on over to ChiTown, we'll duke it out.

You wanna talk shit about my students, some of whom are the children of illegals, like they don't even count? You wanna make veiled threats about people I care about, in the guise of you "beliefs"?

4700 Block North Hermitage, and about 1740 West Lawrence. That's my area. I'm coming in and out of that area all the time. I'll either be the blond White fella in the typical blue shirt and yellow tie, looking upset, or that same fella, with almost all-black and gray. In caz clothes, I wear red laces on my shoes. Or I wear Oxblood steelcaps.

Words become action, butthole. Come show me how hard you're willing to kill for your country. Attack however you want. Any time. Don't worry about being fair or giving me a sporting chance. If I die, that's O.K. It's better than listening to poisonous ghoul seditionists like you.

There...ya got your attention. Happy?

Guys- two possibilities here.

First. This guy is sounding off in such a trollish way, begging for the flames, in order that, once he's hounded off the Forums, or banned, or just recieves enough negative response, he can fuck off with some sort of transcript of the whole deal, and put it on an ultraright (not "conservative", but "ultraright") blog or website, or sell it to some "fact" checker working for Anne Coulter.

There, now he's got his "evidence" for "why libs are more close-minded than they claim WE are". And it goes on Coulter's or Savage's or some other fuckin' unAmerican seditionist's website.

Hence, if my first suspicion is correct, this is jive and we're getting used. This puss is an apolitical opportunist looking to generate some fizz, and possibly get paid for it.

Second possibility- This guy actually thinks that by putting a huge manifesto up, but by armoring himself with "I don't care what you think", he looks like some kind of tough guy.

C'mon; what kind of a Fetal Alcohol Syndrome case are you? Of course you care. You desperately want attention of any kind.

You keyboard-jockey lame-o. You probably live in Indiana.:rolleyes:

You're so all-fired for your beliefs? Come on over to ChiTown, we'll duke it out.

You wanna talk shit about my students, some of whom are the children of illegals, like they don't even count? You wanna make veiled threats about people I care about, in the guise of you "beliefs"?

4700 Block North Hermitage, and about 1740 West Lawrence. That's my area. I'm coming in and out of that area all the time. I'll either be the blond White fella in the typical blue shirt and yellow tie, looking upset, or that same fella, with almost all-black and gray. In caz clothes, I wear red laces on my shoes. Or I wear Oxblood steelcaps.

Words become action, butthole. Come show me how hard you're willing to kill for your country. Attack however you want. Any time. Don't worry about being fair or giving me a sporting chance. If I die, that's O.K. It's better than listening to poisonous ghoul seditionists like you.

There...ya got your attention. Happy?
Talk about veiled threats. :rolleyes:

Zukariaa']Talk about veiled threats. :rolleyes:
I don't think it was very veiled.

I don't think it was very veiled.
Meh. I find it funny that all of these people get pissed that I don't agree with what they believe. I was posting this to share what I believe in, and I get flamed. I knew it. V.V Might as well delete this. Kind of pointless now.

Okay I am a bit of a Canadian Nationalist myself so I do understand a person's pride for his/her country but you are taking it way too far.

Your ideals will turn America into a corporate police state in no time.

Zukariaa']Meh. I find it funny that all of these people get pissed that I don't agree with what they believe. I was posting this to share what I believe in, and I get flamed. I knew it. V.V Might as well delete this. Kind of pointless now.
Well, its just that you believe in things that so many of the people here hold to be utterly worthless, contemptible, counterproductive, despicable, valueless, base, contemptible, pathetic, abhorrent, abject, abominable, (hold on, I'm still looking through the thesaurus), odious, shameful, and disreputable crap.
Edit: I said contemptible twice... oh well.

Zukariaa']Meh. I find it funny that all of these people get pissed that I don't agree with what they believe. I was posting this to share what I believe in, and I get flamed. I knew it. V.V Might as well delete this. Kind of pointless now.

Oh, poppycock! You surely have the intelligence to know that these views are extreme, and would surely invite criticism and flaming. Unless you had the intelligence of a potato, you couldn't not know what this would cause.

I disagree with everything you say. However, I do acknowledge your right to say and believe it, and admire the courage and strength in your convictions to make them public, regardless of how misguided I feel them to be.

Not that I'd fight to the death for your right to say it, though. An honourable duel with foils, perhaps, where the ultimate survival of both combatants is guaranteed. Or a game of chess. Yes, I'd play chess for your right to say it. Or Frisbee, even.

I disagree with everything you say. However, I do acknowledge your right to say and believe it, and admire the courage and strength in your convictions to make them public, regardless of how misguided I feel them to be.

Not that I'd fight to the death for your right to say it, though. An honourable duel with foils, perhaps, where the ultimate survival of both combatants is guaranteed. Or a game of chess. Yes, I'd play chess for your right to say it. Or Frisbee, even.
Frisbee Golf?

What has the fighting in Iraq got to do with American's right to free speech?

He didn't just say "American's" free speach, he said the right of free speach and other rights; that means everyone. And Iraq is just a current issue where rights are "less than abundant...."

I've seen worse, why has the OP got rid of it?

Zukariaa']We've found nearly 500 WMD's since we entered Iraq.
Interestingly enough, CNN just aired a short piece on the 500 weapons found and showed footage from the related Congressional hearing. Turns out that all of the weapons are from the 1980s Iran-Iraq war, and are ridiculously degraded and corroded by now. They are such duds, and are so useless today, that the weapons inspectors that found the shell casings didn't even bother requisitioning hazmat suits and other protective measures.

I think they're still talking about it now.

why has the OP got rid of it?
Apparently he's not proud of his beliefs anymore...

Apparently he's not proud of his beliefs anymore...

You mean someone was actually converted on the internet!!!:eek:

Frisbee Golf?
Ooh, I like. Though what I think I'd do would be to sort out the rights thing first then go play Frisbee Golf to celebrate.

Zukariaa']Meh. I find it funny that all of these people get pissed that I don't agree with what they believe.

Hey I ain't mad and I didn't flame you and you and I are probably polar opposites. Just don't expect me to vote for you. :D

My turn my turn!

1) I believe in God. And I AM a Christian... and I believe everything the Bible says and try to follow it wholeheartedly...

2) I believe that some homosexuals, or bisexuals cannot help the way they feel. This does not include the stupid trendy bis or people trying to get attention because they think they're different or cool. I also believe that homosexuality is wrong... and should just not be acted upon.. yes I'm aware that this sounds contradictory and I don't care if it is. I have no problem with gay people.

3) I would've never voted for Bush... and I had problems with accepting the war... but what's done is done. I agree that it was needed in the long run, and that the main people had to be taken out.. and that we did a good thing by trying to correct their country(though I don't think it will help much)

4) I am totally pro-life and anti-abortion. Every fetus is a human being created by God.. and it should NOT be destroyed. Abortion hurts women physically and emotionally. If you were raped, I am very very sorry, but for the sake of the child living within you, don't take away it's chance to live. Adobtion is a good thing.

5) I am against stemcell research by using fetuses. Umbilical cords are okay though, you're not taking the life of a child.

6) I am against the death penalty... it isn't our place to take a life. But we can make it a living hell.

7) Under all costs, I believe that we should avoid taking the whole world under one rule. We could blindly surrender to one ruler and though it may seem like a good idea, power makes people crazy. And the anti-christ is yet to rise. I don't care, this is what I believe.

8) If we go to war, and a past ally decides to remain neutral, this does NOT make them our enemy. It's their decision, they may be in a bad position and not be able to take on a war.

9) I prefer peace above all, but if a war is necessary then go for it. I also believe that every war should be under God in His name... If it's not, it's just murder and you may be held accountable when the time comes.

10) I believe that everyone has a right to their own opinion, but there IS good and bad. There IS truth, and false. You can't dismiss the fact that the holocaust happened just simply because you don't want to and was not there to see it.


These are my beliefs n I know they may sound petty, and I know some people may think I'm wrong but this is how I see things. I could probably think of some more issues I'm hot about, but... lol Let's leave that for another time.

My turn my turn!

1) I believe in God. And I AM a Christian... and I believe everything the Bible says and try to follow it wholeheartedly...

2) I believe that some homosexuals, or bisexuals cannot help the way they feel. This does not include the stupid trendy bis or people trying to get attention because they think they're different or cool. I also believe that homosexuality is wrong... and should just not be acted upon.. yes I'm aware that this sounds contradictory and I don't care if it is. I have no problem with gay people.

3) I would've never voted for Bush... and I had problems with accepting the war... but what's done is done. I agree that it was needed in the long run, and that the main people had to be taken out.. and that we did a good thing by trying to correct their country(though I don't think it will help much)

4) I am totally pro-life and anti-abortion. Every fetus is a human being created by God.. and it should NOT be destroyed. Abortion hurts women physically and emotionally. If you were raped, I am very very sorry, but for the sake of the child living within you, don't take away it's chance to live. Adobtion is a good thing.

5) I am against stemcell research by using fetuses. Umbilical cords are okay though, you're not taking the life of a child.

6) I am against the death penalty... it isn't our place to take a life. But we can make it a living hell.

7) Under all costs, I believe that we should avoid taking the whole world under one rule. We could blindly surrender to one ruler and though it may seem like a good idea, power makes people crazy. And the anti-christ is yet to rise. I don't care, this is what I believe.

8) If we go to war, and a past ally decides to remain neutral, this does NOT make them our enemy. It's their decision, they may be in a bad position and not be able to take on a war.

9) I prefer peace above all, but if a war is necessary then go for it. I also believe that every war should be under God in His name... If it's not, it's just murder and you may be held accountable when the time comes.

10) I believe that everyone has a right to their own opinion, but there IS good and bad. There IS truth, and false. You can't dismiss the fact that the holocaust happened just simply because you don't want to and was not there to see it.


These are my beliefs n I know they may sound petty, and I know some people may think I'm wrong but this is how I see things. I could probably think of some more issues I'm hot about, but... lol Let's leave that for another time.

Number 9 is just utter Christian propaganda bullshit.
Oh, it's okay to fight for God, slaughter millions but if religion isn't involved it's bad?

The fuck?
Come on, even a hard-core bible thumping Ku Klux Klan member would shake his head at such nonsense.

2) I believe that some homosexuals, or bisexuals cannot help the way they feel. This does not include the stupid trendy bis or people trying to get attention because they think they're different or cool. I also believe that homosexuality is wrong... and should just not be acted upon.. yes I'm aware that this sounds contradictory and I don't care if it is. I have no problem with gay people.


actually it's hardly contradictory at all. Basically you're just saying that You don't like the idea of Homosexuality, but people just need to shut up about it, because even though you don't like it, you don't have a problem with people that are homosexual. You just don't like the "idea" of homosexuality in general.

I'd say that's perfectly reasonable actually.

Originally Posted by [NS]Zukariaa
Meh. I find it funny that all of these people get pissed that I don't agree with what they believe. I was posting this to share what I believe in, and I get flamed. I knew it. V.V Might as well delete this. Kind of pointless now.

It's not that most are upset because you don't believe the way they do. It's the way you're coming around saying it, because you're posting your stuff in a way that will piss people off. One thing you have to remember, especially beliefs, is that even though it's a good belief to you, it's not to other people. That's why you're always told to just keep your beliefs to yourself. But when you post them, especially ones that you KNOW (since you made sure to mention it) it's going to get criticism and flaming, you can expect others to counter with saying their beliefs.

And when you post something knowing what may happen, you have to be prepared for it, running away, taking it too personally (aka talking about deleting this because it isn't what you expected) isn't the way to go.

If you are going to try to stand up and be heard, do it. Don't back down because of the consequences that may come towards you.

My turn my turn!

1) I believe in God. And I AM a Christian... and I believe everything the Bible says and try to follow it wholeheartedly...

2) I believe that some homosexuals, or bisexuals cannot help the way they feel. This does not include the stupid trendy bis or people trying to get attention because they think they're different or cool. I also believe that homosexuality is wrong... and should just not be acted upon.. yes I'm aware that this sounds contradictory and I don't care if it is. I have no problem with gay people.

3) I would've never voted for Bush... and I had problems with accepting the war... but what's done is done. I agree that it was needed in the long run, and that the main people had to be taken out.. and that we did a good thing by trying to correct their country(though I don't think it will help much)

4) I am totally pro-life and anti-abortion. Every fetus is a human being created by God.. and it should NOT be destroyed. Abortion hurts women physically and emotionally. If you were raped, I am very very sorry, but for the sake of the child living within you, don't take away it's chance to live. Adobtion is a good thing.

5) I am against stemcell research by using fetuses. Umbilical cords are okay though, you're not taking the life of a child.

6) I am against the death penalty... it isn't our place to take a life. But we can make it a living hell.

7) Under all costs, I believe that we should avoid taking the whole world under one rule. We could blindly surrender to one ruler and though it may seem like a good idea, power makes people crazy. And the anti-christ is yet to rise. I don't care, this is what I believe.

8) If we go to war, and a past ally decides to remain neutral, this does NOT make them our enemy. It's their decision, they may be in a bad position and not be able to take on a war.

9) I prefer peace above all, but if a war is necessary then go for it. I also believe that every war should be under God in His name... If it's not, it's just murder and you may be held accountable when the time comes.

10) I believe that everyone has a right to their own opinion, but there IS good and bad. There IS truth, and false. You can't dismiss the fact that the holocaust happened just simply because you don't want to and was not there to see it.


These are my beliefs n I know they may sound petty, and I know some people may think I'm wrong but this is how I see things. I could probably think of some more issues I'm hot about, but... lol Let's leave that for another time.
My analysis:

1. Cool

2. I agree . . . I think

3. Ok. I really don't think that going in there for the reasons of "trying to help their people" is good, due to the fact that their people do not pay for this government and thus shouldn't reap the rewards. I think I already said that. However, I think that, the moment Sadaam didn't let the weapons inspectors in, we should have blasted every major city there into dust.

4. Agreed

5. Ok

6. Hmm . . . well, I believe in the death penalty for financial reasons. I don't think that the taxpayers should have to pay for the room and board of murderous criminal. Unfortunately, we pay through the nose now just to kill them "humanely" (like I'm sure they did for their victims). I don't see what's wrong with a single shot to the head. Quick, painless, cheap.

7. Yeah, I guess. Whatever.

8. Ok, I kinda agree

9. I don't follow you

10. I strongly agree!

<snip> Come on, even a hard-core bible thumping Ku Klux Klan member would shake his head at such nonsense.

I never understood that. How could someone be a Christian and a violent racist? I thought one of the major things that Christ brought about was completely opposing racism; this was what he did when he extended salvation to Gentiles rather than just Jews, correct?

Zukariaa']1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it.

This makes you thoroughly irrational, and I don't think you should be allowed to vote.

It also makes you very bad at geometry.

2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.

I can't fault your preferences. Preferences are necessarily foundationless.

3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves.

You don't actually have any reason to believe that Iraq will end up with a stable government. And I don't see how the War on Terror and the invasion of Iraq are related. The invasion of Iraq was santioned by the UN.

5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad.

So you oppose free speech?

6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it.

That's not a winnable argument for either side. There's no middle ground.

7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out.

I'm with you on that one. Illegal immigrants are, by definition, illegal.

8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care."

I'm surprised the other states have tolerated Puerto Rico's status for this long.

9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.

Since you're an American, this isn't surprising. No one wants to be at risk from a superior force.

1) I don't want to hear another persons beliefs paraded around as truth to those who beleive differently. This includes my own.

2) Methinks a lady doth protest to much. It has been my experience that those who hate homosexuals (or anyone else different from them), actually fear that they may be just a little too similar. Either that, or they fear what they don't understand, and wish to remain ignorant.

3) I support our soldiers, and our nation. I don't support our politicians. I will support the politicos the instant I see one of their children on the firing line, not one moment sooner.

4) Torture for sufficient reason I agree with.

5)When you burn my baphomet, am I supposed to turn the other cheek, Or give someone the ass-whuppin they deserve? It like the flag is just a symbol. Destroying either one will in no way change the way I believe. Oh, and whos God are we under? I know a great many.

6)I belive that abortion is wrong in that it harms the innocent, but I do not have the right to make that decision for anyone else.

7) If I had my way, I would not have european blood in me polluting my Cherokee and Commanche blood. America is a nation of immigrants. You deal with it.

8) Puerto Rico and the other American territories should become states, If they so chose.

9)America is having its time as a superpower, just like many other empires in history. It will fall in time, Just as they did. Deal with it.

Oh, and whos God are we under?

Shiva

Shiva
Good for the back.
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Shiva
We're under Shiva's God?

... Well, I suppose we are. It's kinda difficult to exist and not be under Shiva's God.

Carry on...

We're under Shiva's God?

Yep!

<.<
>.>

*throws smoke bomb*

*flee*

Hmmmm, computer death. Would have responded pages ago. So sorry.


Zukariaa']Talk about veiled threats. :rolleyes:

No indeedy.

I don't "veil" a whole lot.

I DO care what people think about my posts. Otherwise, there's no reason to be posting on a forum.

And I DO care that there are way too many dishonest A-holes, like you, who deliberately inflame others, then stand back, having baited the hook, and act smug and "amused"...oh, wait, you mentioned "amused".

I thought you "didn't care" whether we thought you were wrong or not.

You are a dissembler. Among other things. And your dishonest stance of "I don't care", coupled with your further stance of, "I'm so amused", is a most telling cowardice.

By the way, the invite's open still. Any time. A day or a year from now. Shoot at me from a car, knock me off the map from a half-mile off, whatever. A fair fight's not expected.

But stop talking so hardass, then hiding behind "amused" and "I don't care".

The reason I "invite you out" is not solve any difference or teach a lesson. You don't deserve that.

I just want to see, if, just once, a rightist keyboard-jockey will actually do something that actually synchs up with the image they present.
I'm your Leftie-Who-Supports-Illegals. I'm the guy promoting the "Gay Agenda" and Undermining Civil Society with my vote and my wallet, both which Promote "Liberal" Ideals. I "Tacitly Support the Killing of Babies", and Destroy the Bible's Obvious Veracity, by working in the Public Schools, "Where God Isn't Allowed".

So c'mon, tough guy. But I guess you don't "care" enough about your ideas to show up.

Shiva

Damn, and I was hoping for Bast. Or at least Freya.:D

Zukariaa']Now, I know that this will probably make a lot of people hate me and flame me. I'm going to say this right now; I'm proud of EVERYTHING I believe in and if you don't like it, I don't care.

So..

1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it.

2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.

3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves.

4) I don't care if the military tortures POWs. Why? Because they're the enemy and if there is no other way to get the info they might have, we might as well. Torture for no reason, no.

5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad.

6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it.

7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out.

8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care."

9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.

I have more to say, but I can't think of anything else. I know that this will get flame after flame, and you know what? I stand by everything I have said.

I'm going to await the flaming, the point of this thread is to share my beliefs.

1) God doesn't exist. ZOMG I SAID IT!!!! How can you trust a two thousand year old book with something so huge? The school boards don't even use twenty-year-old science textbooks because of inaccuracy. Every year, more science comes out to make God unnessacary. God is a dated belief, made up two thousand years ago to cover what science couldn't.
2) What do you think will happen if you get near a homosexual? Will he pass on his "disease"? Guess what? One of my close friends is gay. I spend lot's of time with him, even make physical contact with him. And I have yet to be "converted" to the homosexual lifestyle.
3) How can you ever support a politician 100%? George Bush is a human, and flawed. Therefore, having 100% faith in him means you're having blind faith, and refusing to question him. I'm sure you and Georgey disagree on at least one or two points. It's okay to see flaws in your idols. I love Charlotte Bronte, but sometimes I question her because she was so pious. Doesn't mean I don't like her books.
4) Torture someone just because they're the enemy? You're someone's enemy; does that mean they get to torture you? Would you complain if Iraqi's took you hostage and tortured you? Of course you would, because things are different for you.
5) Don't like the idea that homosexuals are allowed to be together? Don't like immigrants? Don't like people questioning the government? Don't like religious freedom? Why don't you get out of the country? If it's not changing for others, it shouldn't change for you.
6) I'd like to see you react in the same way if you had been raped. It's not a woman's fault if she gets raped, contrary to what you might believe. To make a woman carry the child of her attacker is just sick. Not only will it emotionally scar her, but it won't allow her to take care of her baby properly. So, either way, the baby is going to suffer. Wouldn't you like to see it be painlessly aborted before it even his any independant functions?
7) North America was largely desolate for thousands of years. Immigration is the only way it was populated. Actually, almost all of the world was populated by immigrants. Lot's of people now living in the US, behaving as upstanding citizens, are the products of illegal immigration. There are even a few here on NS. Frankly, you should be flattered that people actually see something they like in your country, and want to be part of it. Think they're expoiting the prosperity of the place? Probably, but I'll say you're ancestors had that in mind when they came here, too.
8) Who was the poll asking? Peurto Ricans or Americans?
9) What's the point of being powerful and dominating, if nobody likes you? There's no reason, and you won't find any happiness in controlling the earth. Happiness comes from mutual respect and affection, which has no connection to military force.
Of course you're going to get a reaction to your comments. You want a reaction to them. Why else would you post them here?

Hmmmm, computer death. Would have responded pages ago. So sorry.




No indeedy.

I don't "veil" a whole lot.

I DO care what people think about my posts. Otherwise, there's no reason to be posting on a forum.

And I DO care that there are way too many dishonest A-holes, like you, who deliberately inflame others, then stand back, having baited the hook, and act smug and "amused"...oh, wait, you mentioned "amused".

I thought you "didn't care" whether we thought you were wrong or not.

You are a dissembler. Among other things. And your dishonest stance of "I don't care", coupled with your further stance of, "I'm so amused", is a most telling cowardice.

By the way, the invite's open still. Any time. A day or a year from now. Shoot at me from a car, knock me off the map from a half-mile off, whatever. A fair fight's not expected.

But stop talking so hardass, then hiding behind "amused" and "I don't care".

The reason I "invite you out" is not solve any difference or teach a lesson. You don't deserve that.

I just want to see, if, just once, a rightist keyboard-jockey will actually do something that actually synchs up with the image they present.
I'm your Leftie-Who-Supports-Illegals. I'm the guy promoting the "Gay Agenda" and Undermining Civil Society with my vote and my wallet, both which Promote "Liberal" Ideals. I "Tacitly Support the Killing of Babies", and Destroy the Bible's Obvious Veracity, by working in the Public Schools, "Where God Isn't Allowed".

So c'mon, tough guy. But I guess you don't "care" enough about your ideas to show up.
Lawl.

You actually expect me to try and fight you? I don't even know you. Talk about trying to be smug act tough. Right.

I do care about what I believe in, what I don't care about is if someone flames me. Like you. You can keep flaming me for all I care. Stop being such an ass and just give a real responce to my thread. Instead of coming in and wanting to beat me up. For what? Because I believe in something you don't? Right. Nice try, but you arn't going to get me mad that easily.

kthxbai

Okay, I'll try it too ...

1) I went to school at a christian elementary school (nons and praying and all that stuff); I dislike many things the Catholic church is trying to tell me and many other, but I) have to admit, that I can go along with some things to. I don't hate Christian faith and I believe that it is everybodies turn to belive what the say and to obey the rules of them.

2) I know homosexuals and for me they are not defined through their sexuality. I thing that somebody who feels disgusted by two guys kissing, should really think a little bit about what is running false. I mean at least 90% of males watch lesbian action without any disgusting feelings, so the problem about homosexuality isn't that it is between same sex couples, it's only about two men ... I don't propose to watch gay porn, but gay kissing is something that every fully developed adult should be able to endure. And phrases like "I can't say, just I don't like gays next to me ..." is dumb. Give a reason this is the basic of every discussion. I mean if you really want we can discuss for days: you say "I just don't like" and I reply "But why?"

3) I didn't and would'nt voted for Bush (okay I'm one of those European fellows - Austria to be correct). Quality of politics is decreasing very fast, when you have to argue, that your opponent is a little bit worse than you. So what? Why than don't you write on your electionary advertisment "Better cholera ... than plague"?

4)Somebody said it already: give birth to a child before talking about women's issues. I personally think that a child (not important what way it was fathered) affects the life of every women dramatically and so it is the decision of the mother to decide what should happen to the child until 3 month of gravity or any kind of limit. But I have to say too, that e.g. in Austria 80.000 children are born every year and at the same time there are 80.000 bortions too. And news like that make me shiver ...

rest) I don't want God in the Constitution; I'm concerned about steam cells but for research and to guard ethical guidelines I think it would be enough to establish and preserve "ethnic-commisions"; I'm totally against death penalty; I disapprove that war in Iraq had anything to do with war on terrorism, but know it's too late tothink about that. Iraq is occupied so let's try to make the best of the situation; I dislike people talking about "what opinion everybody can have BUT there is truth and there is false" Say it directly: "I want to hide behind a semi-liberal façade but truly I don't like other opinions, so shut up". I know that my opinions are not the absolute truth and that I can be false and so it is for everybody.

If somebody wants to tell everybody that the Holocaust did not have happened, so why shouldn't he? How many believe this shit? In Austria for example we have very strong Anti-Nazism-laws (last winter David Irving was convicted guilty), but at the time there is a loud discussion about the sense. I mean how many truly Nazis will stop believing or talking about this shit? For them it is heroic to be convicted as Nazi. The trials cost money for nearly no results and still Neonazism isn't a problem. And the argument that it would rise if there are no laws : so why isn't Stalinism than a porblem? Everybody who wants can tell everybody, that Stalin was a fine guy helping up the Russians and did not kill a single soul. How many people are stalinists? Did you get the point?
For me such things are problem if the try to suppress other opinions or restrict freedoms everybody should have - so: Don't be tolerant against the Intolerant!

Damn, and I was hoping for Bast. Or at least Freya.:D

Bast is on vacation and Freya is having a dental cleaning.

Bast is on vacation and Freya is having a dental cleaning.

Then I guess it's back to my harem for some other choice.:D

Then I guess it's back to my harem for some other choice.:D

Hooray!

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yes he does, God is only unecessary, to the people who don't believe in him; what can be more necessary?

Zukariaa']Lawl.

You actually expect me to try and fight you? I don't even know you. Talk about trying to be smug act tough. Right.

I do care about what I believe in, what I don't care about is if someone flames me. Like you. You can keep flaming me for all I care. Stop being such an ass and just give a real responce to my thread. Instead of coming in and wanting to beat me up. For what? Because I believe in something you don't? Right. Nice try, but you arn't going to get me mad that easily.

kthxbai

Wow, your calling HIM an ass?

O.k first of all, your the ass in this situation.

You think he's flaming you? I see no flaming. An example of flaming would be "omfg you piece of sh- ass-hole I'll f-ing kill you you mother-f-er". Whereas, his post is more of a polite manner, wouldn't you agree?

He isn't wanting to beat you up, he wants to see if you have the balls to actually do something about your opinions and not just act tough over the internet.

"Because I believe in something you don't" No, that's not it. It's because your a total ass, acting like a tough guy on a forum, putting foreward opinions that you know will be disagreed with on a mass scale, so you can 'amuse' yourself with their responses.

So stfu about 'flaming' and not caring about responses, and actually give an answer as to whether your man enough to do more than just voice your opinions as a tough guy on the internet.

My conclusion: Your pathetic.

IMHO, Abortion is one of the saddest things that a woman could have to decide on in this world, but decide she can. I also support the death penalty, and war (not the War in Iraq, but war in general, I'd rather avoid it, but sometimes it's... inevitable). I also don't care about people going hunting, and I openly eat meat. So, I usually just simplify things, and say I'm pro-killing things. No double standards on my watch.

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yes he does, God is only unecessary, to the people who don't believe in him; what can be more necessary?

Mmmph. I don't really care about the silly "faith" clause employed by all believers, nor the clause of "ominipotence." Untill God himself comes down from the sky to fill me in, I'm not going to believe. There's no sense in believing in something that cannot be sensed.

Okay, I'll try it too ...

1) I went to school at a christian elementary school (nons and praying and all that stuff); I dislike many things the Catholic church is trying to tell me and many other, but I) have to admit, that I can go along with some things to. I don't hate Christian faith and I believe that it is everybodies turn to belive what the say and to obey the rules of them.

2) I know homosexuals and for me they are not defined through their sexuality. I thing that somebody who feels disgusted by two guys kissing, should really think a little bit about what is running false. I mean at least 90% of males watch lesbian action without any disgusting feelings, so the problem about homosexuality isn't that it is between same sex couples, it's only about two men ... I don't propose to watch gay porn, but gay kissing is something that every fully developed adult should be able to endure. And phrases like "I can't say, just I don't like gays next to me ..." is dumb. Give a reason this is the basic of every discussion. I mean if you really want we can discuss for days: you say "I just don't like" and I reply "But why?"

3) I didn't and would'nt voted for Bush (okay I'm one of those European fellows - Austria to be correct). Quality of politics is decreasing very fast, when you have to argue, that your opponent is a little bit worse than you. So what? Why than don't you write on your electionary advertisment "Better cholera ... than plague"?

4)Somebody said it already: give birth to a child before talking about women's issues. I personally think that a child (not important what way it was fathered) affects the life of every women dramatically and so it is the decision of the mother to decide what should happen to the child until 3 month of gravity or any kind of limit. But I have to say too, that e.g. in Austria 80.000 children are born every year and at the same time there are 80.000 bortions too. And news like that make me shiver ...

rest) I don't want God in the Constitution; I'm concerned about steam cells but for research and to guard ethical guidelines I think it would be enough to establish and preserve "ethnic-commisions"; I'm totally against death penalty; I disapprove that war in Iraq had anything to do with war on terrorism, but know it's too late tothink about that. Iraq is occupied so let's try to make the best of the situation; I dislike people talking about "what opinion everybody can have BUT there is truth and there is false" Say it directly: "I want to hide behind a semi-liberal façade but truly I don't like other opinions, so shut up". I know that my opinions are not the absolute truth and that I can be false and so it is for everybody.

If somebody wants to tell everybody that the Holocaust did not have happened, so why shouldn't he? How many believe this shit? In Austria for example we have very strong Anti-Nazism-laws (last winter David Irving was convicted guilty), but at the time there is a loud discussion about the sense. I mean how many truly Nazis will stop believing or talking about this shit? For them it is heroic to be convicted as Nazi. The trials cost money for nearly no results and still Neonazism isn't a problem. And the argument that it would rise if there are no laws : so why isn't Stalinism than a porblem? Everybody who wants can tell everybody, that Stalin was a fine guy helping up the Russians and did not kill a single soul. How many people are stalinists? Did you get the point?
For me such things are problem if the try to suppress other opinions or restrict freedoms everybody should have - so: Don't be tolerant against the Intolerant!

1. Can't argue with you. :D

2. The first sentence was good, but I disagree with the second. I am disgusted by that, but I just try and ignore it. Also, not even 90% of men watch any sort of porn, much less lesbian porn.

3. Not really anything to argue there, so I will move on to the next one.

4. I didn't understand the second half of what you said, but I shall deal with the first. The argument that no one who has not been in their exact position can judge is absurd. Should only insane mothers be able to judge those women who drown their children in the bathtub?

The rest you are just stating opinions but I will argue with this one: "I dislike people talking about "what opinion everybody can have BUT there is truth and there is false" Say it directly: "I want to hide behind a semi-liberal façade but truly I don't like other opinions, so shut up". I know that my opinions are not the absolute truth and that I can be false and so it is for everybody."

That is not at all true: If someone wants to believe that all humanity evolved from clams who flew here from Mars, that's fine with me. However, that does not mean that that point of view is suddenly right, just because we're fine with someone believing in it!

Oh, and I have one last question for you: If we do not tolerate the intolerant, does that not make us intolerant ourselves? :p

Wow, your calling HIM an ass?

O.k first of all, your the ass in this situation.

You think he's flaming you? I see no flaming. An example of flaming would be "omfg you piece of sh- ass-hole I'll f-ing kill you you mother-f-er". Whereas, his post is more of a polite manner, wouldn't you agree?

He isn't wanting to beat you up, he wants to see if you have the balls to actually do something about your opinions and not just act tough over the internet.

"Because I believe in something you don't" No, that's not it. It's because your a total ass, acting like a tough guy on a forum, putting foreward opinions that you know will be disagreed with on a mass scale, so you can 'amuse' yourself with their responses.

So stfu about 'flaming' and not caring about responses, and actually give an answer as to whether your man enough to do more than just voice your opinions as a tough guy on the internet.

My conclusion: Your pathetic.
Since when do I act like a "tough guy" on the internet?

Your conclusion: Thank you very much. It doesn't really bother me. Your just some person over the internet trying to get me mad. How about this? If you can't give an actual comment on the OP, don't post. I want to know your position on those things that I mentioned, and what you think of what I believe. You can do it nicely, have a real discussion, and not get mad at me because I disagree with what you think. How about that? Sounds good to me.

Mmmph. I don't really care about the silly "faith" clause employed by all believers, nor the clause of "ominipotence." Untill God himself comes down from the sky to fill me in, I'm not going to believe. There's no sense in believing in something that cannot be sensed.

Of course there's no sense in it. If there were, it wouldn't take faith.

I agree with you though... if I didn't make that clear...

Mmmph. I don't really care about the silly "faith" clause employed by all believers, nor the clause of "ominipotence." Untill God himself comes down from the sky to fill me in, I'm not going to believe. There's no sense in believing in something that cannot be sensed.

By the way, I only put in the last part because it's a quote from the Last Samurai. There is no sense to YOU in believing something that cannot be sensed to YOU, that might be reasonable to YOU, but it doesn't work for me because I would feel pretty pointless being alive if there wasn't any alterior purpose or motive. Then, my question for you is what keeps you going? Where do you find your strength?

Zukariaa']Now, I know that this will probably make a lot of people hate me and flame me. I'm going to say this right now; I'm proud of EVERYTHING I believe in and if you don't like it, I don't care.

So..

1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it.


Meh. I could care less, so long as you only use your religion to control yourself, and not others.

Zukariaa']
2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.


So... you hate gays, and your justification for hating them is that 'they started it'? :rolleyes:

Zukariaa']
3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves.


Um, the war on terror and the war in Iraq are two different things. I'm not even American, and even I know that. >_> I disagree with the Iraq War because it's a load pointless killing to get rid of one guy who never even hurt the Americans in any way. If it was really neccessary to go against the wishes of the U.N. and kill one dictator (ignoring, of course, the many other dictators), why not just assassinate Saddam? Less killing of innocent Iraqis as well as American troops. As for the 'war on terror', I think it's a ridiculous concept. You can't fight terrorists the same way you'd fight a country, and all the extra publicity the 'war on terror' gets said terrorists is exactly what they want.

Zukariaa']
4) I don't care if the military tortures POWs. Why? Because they're the enemy and if there is no other way to get the info they might have, we might as well. Torture for no reason, no.


I care; just because someone lives in the middle east does not make them my 'enemy', nor does it mean they give up the right to be treated as a human being.

Zukariaa']
5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad.


Personally, I find American patriotism to be overbearing and irritating enough as is, but if you want to wave the flag, be my guest. :p I don't think it's very fair of you to try and deny your fellow countrymen their rights to free speech, and freedom of religion (they do have those rights, right? :confused: ).

Zukariaa']
6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it.


I don't think women care that you don't care about rape victims. Deal with it.

Zukariaa']
7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out.


Well, white peoples sorta immigrated to American en masse a few hundred years ago, but that was 'legal' because the white peoples had bigger weapons than the red peoples and therefore made all the rules. :rolleyes:

Zukariaa']
8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care."


*shrugs* No effect on me. :p

Zukariaa']
9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.


Whether this would be a good or bad thing (I don't think we need to even get started on that :p ), that's just unrealistic- there's simply no way that a superpower can keep it up forever.

Zukariaa']Since when do I act like a "tough guy" on the internet?

Your conclusion: Thank you very much. It doesn't really bother me. Your just some person over the internet trying to get me mad. How about this? If you can't give an actual comment on the OP, don't post. I want to know your position on those things that I mentioned, and what you think of what I believe. You can do it nicely, have a real discussion, and not get mad at me because I disagree with what you think. How about that? Sounds good to me.

O.k, so by posting that you have shown that you havent actually read any of my posts. I'm not trying to get you mad, it's funny you should say "Just some person over the internet trying to get me mad" - because that is exactly what you are, and your doing it on a large scale.

I HAVE commented on the OP, and I have given my positions on "those things" that you mentioned.

I am certainly not getting "mad" because you "disagree with what I think". I am getting "mad" because you deliberately posted your hateful beliefes in an attempt for attention, and to cause people who read it to get "mad".

I think these two posts sum it up;

That's the only quote needed to fault your faith in these so-called personal beliefs. Controversy is, by nature, designed to shock in order to attract peoples' attention, and you've declared your position on these issues as such, indicating that you're rather ignorant.

For example, there's nothing remotely controversial about being anti-abortion; there are two sides to the matter, and you fall to the right.

I doubt you even care either way on any of these points. You are merely trying to annoy people by taking the stance you assume will conflict with that of the majority.

Guys- two possibilities here.

First. This guy is sounding off in such a trollish way, begging for the flames, in order that, once he's hounded off the Forums, or banned, or just recieves enough negative response, he can fuck off with some sort of transcript of the whole deal, and put it on an ultraright (not "conservative", but "ultraright") blog or website, or sell it to some "fact" checker working for Anne Coulter.

There, now he's got his "evidence" for "why libs are more close-minded than they claim WE are". And it goes on Coulter's or Savage's or some other fuckin' unAmerican seditionist's website.

Hence, if my first suspicion is correct, this is jive and we're getting used. This puss is an apolitical opportunist looking to generate some fizz, and possibly get paid for it.

Second possibility- This guy actually thinks that by putting a huge manifesto up, but by armoring himself with "I don't care what you think", he looks like some kind of tough guy.

C'mon; what kind of a Fetal Alcohol Syndrome case are you? Of course you care. You desperately want attention of any kind.

You keyboard-jockey lame-o. You probably live in Indiana.:rolleyes:

You're so all-fired for your beliefs? Come on over to ChiTown, we'll duke it out.

You wanna talk shit about my students, some of whom are the children of illegals, like they don't even count? You wanna make veiled threats about people I care about, in the guise of you "beliefs"?

4700 Block North Hermitage, and about 1740 West Lawrence. That's my area. I'm coming in and out of that area all the time. I'll either be the blond White fella in the typical blue shirt and yellow tie, looking upset, or that same fella, with almost all-black and gray. In caz clothes, I wear red laces on my shoes. Or I wear Oxblood steelcaps.

Words become action, butthole. Come show me how hard you're willing to kill for your country. Attack however you want. Any time. Don't worry about being fair or giving me a sporting chance. If I die, that's O.K. It's better than listening to poisonous ghoul seditionists like you.

There...ya got your attention. Happy?

By the way, I only put in the last part because it's a quote from the Last Samurai. There is no sense to YOU in believing something that cannot be sensed to YOU, that might be reasonable to YOU, but it doesn't work for me because I would feel pretty pointless being alive if there wasn't any alterior purpose or motive. Then, my question for you is what keeps you going? Where do you find your strength?

The knowledge of earthly pleasures. Right now, I'm excited because I start rehersals for a musical. After that, I'll be excited because I've got tickets for Phantom of the Opera. After that, I'll be starting my grad year. Knowing that this short life is all I have is what gets me going. I'm going to make the most of it, instead of assuming it's okay not to enjoy myself, as I'll have heaven to look forward to. I don't care whether or not there is purpose in life, but I do care that there is purpose in my life.

Of course there's no sense in it. If there were, it wouldn't take faith.

I agree with you though... if I didn't make that clear...

Like I said, the "faith" clause. It's infalliable because it's illogical. You can't argue with the abstract.

O.k, so by posting that you have shown that you havent actually read any of my posts. I'm not trying to get you mad, it's funny you should say "Just some person over the internet trying to get me mad" - because that is exactly what you are, and your doing it on a large scale.

I HAVE commented on the OP, and I have given my positions on "those things" that you mentioned.

I am certainly not getting "mad" because you "disagree with what I think". I am getting "mad" because you deliberately posted your hateful beliefes in an attempt for attention, and to cause people who read it to get "mad".
No, I didn't post this just to get people mad. I posted it to share my beliefs, and people got mad. You can think what you want, and so can I, but I felt the need to share mine. If you don't like them, you don't have to post. According to you I did this to bait people in and get them angry so that they flame me, if that were true, why would you feed it?
I'm sorry if I do get people mad, but I stand by my beliefs and I have the right to share them. As do other people. I don't have the power to make these things law, but I can believe in them if I choose to. And I do.

The knowledge of earthly pleasures. Right now, I'm excited because I start rehersals for a musical. After that, I'll be excited because I've got tickets for Phantom of the Opera. After that, I'll be starting my grad year. Knowing that this short life is all I have is what gets me going. I'm going to make the most of it, instead of assuming it's okay not to enjoy myself, as I'll have heaven to look forward to. I don't care whether or not there is purpose in life, but I do care that there is purpose in my life.

who said anything at all about not enjoying yourself

Mmmph. I don't really care about the silly "faith" clause employed by all believers, nor the clause of "ominipotence." Untill God himself comes down from the sky to fill me in, I'm not going to believe. There's no sense in believing in something that cannot be sensed.
Damn right.

Zukariaa']No, I didn't post this just to get people mad. I posted it to share my beliefs, and people got mad. You can think what you want, and so can I, but I felt the need to share mine. If you don't like them, you don't have to post. According to you I did this to bait people in and get them angry so that they flame me, if that were true, why would you feed it?
I'm sorry if I do get people mad, but I stand by my beliefs and I have the right to share them. As do other people. I don't have the power to make these things law, but I can believe in them if I choose to. And I do.

Yet again, you fail to read my posts. I am not flaming you. Stop suggesting that every reply to your thread must be a flame.

who said anything at all about not enjoying yourself

The church. If I don't pray, abstain from sex, abstain from drinking, go to church every day, burn my rock 'n' roll records, etc, I'll go to hell.

The church. If I don't pray, abstain from sex, abstain from drinking, go to church every day, burn my rock 'n' roll records, etc, I'll go to hell.

I don't know what church that is but it isn't mine either that or your taking everyhthing to the very extreme

I don't know what church that is but it isn't mine either that or your taking everyhthing to the very extreme

Believe me, I do things that lot's of different churches oppose. The catholic church doesn't like that I read Harry Potter while listening to AC/DC. The Mormon church doesn't like that I sometimes get drunk with friends. None of the churches like the way that I dress in public. Which is all okay, since, if heaven is filled with the pious and modest, it's probably pretty boring.

Believe me, I do things that lot's of different churches oppose. The catholic church doesn't like that I read Harry Potter while listening to AC/DC. The Mormon church doesn't like that I sometimes get drunk with friends. None of the churches like the way that I dress in public. Which is all okay, since, if heaven is filled with the pious and modest, it's probably pretty boring.

some Christians are like that...did you ever hear the saying "We are not perfect, just forgiven."

but whatever, I see that this is going nowhere and is becoming pointless, plus I have to go somewhere, so I say goodbye for a while

Zukariaa']Now, I know that this will probably make a lot of people hate me and flame me. I'm going to say this right now; I'm proud of EVERYTHING I believe in and if you don't like it, I don't care.

So..



1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it.

You realize that interpreting the Bible literally is a bad idea, seeing as how it was translated into Latin, then French, then English? Something may have gotten lost there.

2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.

While I'm not particularly fond of the idea of homosexuality, I can tolerate it, and won't allow it to interfere with my daily interactions. So long as they don't bring up the topic of it in great detail, it doesn't bother me that the person is gay.

3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves.

Iraq was a mistake. Saddam needed justice, but going and giving it to him didn't work out right. We were wrong to go there, but we're not wrong to be there now. If we pull out, then Iraq will fall to pieces. And by the time we're done there, Osama will be either dead from old age or senile to the point where he's funnier to have around to laugh at. :D

4) I don't care if the military tortures POWs. Why? Because they're the enemy and if there is no other way to get the info they might have, we might as well. Torture for no reason, no.

The problem with torture is that you end up dictating to the guy what you want him to say, and he'll tell you what he thinks you want to know, so long as the pain will stop.

5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad.

I agree that people should be more patriotic, but "even though I disagree with what you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it."

6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it.

I believe in extreme cases like rape or danger to the mother abortion should be allowed, but not in cases where the parent(s) don't want to deal with a child.

7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out.

While I agree that they shouldn't be here illegally, I'd prefer to have them become legal, tax-paying citizens of the United States. They are looking for a better life, but they're doing it in the wrong way. The ones who are currently here should be given a chance at citizenship, and the ones who aren't should be prevented from entering illegally.

8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care."

Puerto Rico enjoys the commonwealth status because it is allowed its own government and isn't taxed by the mainland as much as regular states. Besides, redesigning the flag and replacing all of the current ones would be a real bitch.

9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.

No arguments here.

I have more to say, but I can't think of anything else. I know that this will get flame after flame, and you know what? I stand by everything I have said.

I'm going to await the flaming, the point of this thread is to share my beliefs.

The church. If I don't pray, abstain from sex, abstain from drinking, go to church every day, burn my rock 'n' roll records, etc, I'll go to hell.

Not at all. All you have to do is believe that Christ is God, our savior, then repent and stop doing all that, even if only for the last second of life, you go to heaven. Pretty sweet deal.

Believe me, I do things that lot's of different churches oppose. The catholic church doesn't like that I read Harry Potter while listening to AC/DC. The Mormon church doesn't like that I sometimes get drunk with friends. None of the churches like the way that I dress in public. Which is all okay, since, if heaven is filled with the pious and modest, it's probably pretty boring.

Reminds me of the Bill Joel song "Only the Good Die Young". One of my personal favorites.

"Well they say there's a heaven for those who will wait.
Some say it's better, but I say it ain't
I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
O' the sinners are much more fun."

Not at all. All you have to do is believe that Christ is God, our savior, then repent and stop doing all that, even if only for the last second of life, you go to heaven. Pretty sweet deal.

Wasn't there a Roman emperor who did that? His name escapes me, but he got himself baptized three days before he died to erase all of his past sins.

Hooray!

So many Goddesses, so little time.:(

:D

Wasn't there a Roman emperor who did that? His name escapes me, but he got himself baptized three days before he died to erase all of his past sins.

Constantine, after bringing about the reforms that made Christianity legal and organizing the bible, was baptized on his death bed.

Not at all. All you have to do is believe that Christ is God, our savior, then repent and stop doing all that, even if only for the last second of life, you go to heaven. Pretty sweet deal.

Not going to happen.

**Tries really hard to care about the original post**


**tries**

**but fails**


So you have beliefs? wow

Why share?

unless you actually cared what people thought.

Ok, theres been a lot of talk saying "you say your christian but your beliefs arn't." I'm gonna put an end to this.

The vague defenition of Chirtianity, is the following of the teachings of Jesus Christ. But the problem with Christianity and all other religions is that it's holy book was written by man, who is very flawed. Their opinions were put in it and changed much of it. Then theres the decree made by god that "man will speak many tongues" NO other language is a translation of the others, so the teachings got even more scrabbled. That started the division of the religion, making countless ones, but all Christian in nature. So you cant say his beliefs arn't "Christian," because there are countless translations. How do you think the Crusades were justified? "Tho shalt not kill.... unless he is an infedel, then its not murder."

Let's see...

Hates gays.

"Believes in god"

Supports chimpy, and the illegal war

Likes torture

Thinks flag burning makes jesus cry...

I GOT JINGO!!!

JINGO!

What do I win??

No one cares about your affirmations... Oh wait 12 pages of people care about your affirmations.?????

Ok, theres been a lot of talk saying "you say your christian but your beliefs arn't." I'm gonna put an end to this.

The vague defenition of Chirtianity, is the following of the teachings of Jesus Christ. But the problem with Christianity and all other religions is that it's holy book was written by man, who is very flawed. Their opinions were put in it and changed much of it. Then theres the decree made by god that "man will speak many tongues" NO other language is a translation of the others, so the teachings got even more scrabbled. That started the division of the religion, making countless ones, but all Christian in nature. So you cant say his beliefs arn't "Christian," because there are countless translations. How do you think the Crusades were justified? "Tho shalt not kill.... unless he is an infedel, then its not murder."

But he believes in killing human beings, and torturing them and at the same time thinks that it is wrong to kill a fetus.

IMO his views of the sanctity of life are screwed up.

No one cares about your affirmations... Oh wait 12 pages of people care about your affirmations.?????

*hangs head in shame*

But he believes in killing human beings, and torturing them and at the same time thinks that it is wrong to kill a fetus.

IMO his views of the sanctity of life are screwed up.

Like I said, how do you think the Crusades were justified. And a fetus can be considered wrong to most Christians because of the beliefe in "Original sin." I'm not sure if you can babtise the dead tho... hmmm. Even so, this beliefe created the babtist Church that doesnt believe in babtising infants because they "can not understand what it is to follow the Lord."

Can we get back to the main topic? :headbang:

. . . and the illegal war

*snickers briefly before breaking down into uncontrollable laughter, which does not abate*

*explodes*










I thought that your post, which does not directly argue anything but merely insults his views, deserved one similar.

*explodes*


That would have been a much better post if you had just left it at that.

His "views" deserve nothing more, or less, than to be insulted, for the neanderthal BS that they are.

That would have been a much better post if you had just left it at that.

His "views" deserve nothing more, or less, than to be insulted, for the neanderthal BS that they are.

Neanderthal? Are you trying to sound smart? I dont see you saying what you truelly beleive in calmly and with dignity. He said himself he didnt want flames or to make anybody mad, even tho its obvious it would happen.

Zukariaa']Now, I know that this will probably make a lot of people hate me and flame me. I'm going to say this right now; I'm proud of EVERYTHING I believe in and if you don't like it, I don't care.

So..

1) I believe in God and everything that the Bible says, word for word. Does that mean I follow everything? No. I believe it, though. How about this? Don't yell at me for being a fool and being closeminded. Don't say that God doesn't exist. I don't want to hear it.

2) I don't like homosexuals coming near me. I'm a homophobe. So what? It's my belief. Don't yell,"Bigot, homophobic, blah blah blah!!" Why? I can say the same thing about almost every homosexual there is on the subject of Christianity.

3) I support George W. Bush and the war in Iraq 100%. I believe that the War on Terror is a good thing. There will always be idiots who decide to blow themselves up, but we have one less dictator in the world. Once we finish giving Iraq a stable government we can hunt down Osama bin Laden and give him what he deserves.

4) I don't care if the military tortures POWs. Why? Because they're the enemy and if there is no other way to get the info they might have, we might as well. Torture for no reason, no.

5) I think people should be more patriotic in the USA. If you want to disrespect the flag; go away. Don't like the way America is run? Go away. Don't want your kid to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because it has "under God" in it? Too bad.

6) I don't support abortion. I believe that it is the destruction of life that should not be allowed to anyone anywhere. I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it.

7) Illegal immigrants need to get out. They don't belong here. I'm not saying only Mexicans, either. All of them. And for them to be protesting is rediculous. They have no rights here. If I had my way we'd force them out.

8) Not quite as controversial. I think Peurto Rico should become a state. In the polls, the only thing with more than Statehood was "I don't care."

9) America must retain it's spot as the world's only Superpower. We must always have the largest and best equipped military in the world. We must always be able to deploy anywhere.

I have more to say, but I can't think of anything else. I know that this will get flame after flame, and you know what? I stand by everything I have said.

I'm going to await the flaming, the point of this thread is to share my beliefs.
1. There are some things to be taken metaphorically, well actually alot.

4. There are some issues with torture, but idk.

6. If they get raped, they probably should have a choice.

8. Puerto Rico-def. not a state.ever.

besides that, cool.

Zukariaa']You actually expect me to try and fight you? I don't even know you. Talk about trying to be smug act tough. Right.

Ah hah. That's where you're wrong. I didn't "act tough". I made no admissions to my toughness.

I fully expect to get killed or permanently damaged when I provoke someone. I'm not some tough guy and will never say that I am. I just think you suck so much, I'd relish the chance to see you damaged, regardless of the harm that comes to me.

I do care about what I believe in, what I don't care about is if someone flames me. Like you. You can keep flaming me for all I care. Stop being such an ass and just give a real responce to my thread. Instead of coming in and wanting to beat me up. For what? Because I believe in something you don't? Right. Nice try, but you arn't going to get me mad that easily.

Wrong again. There's lots of idiots on these Forums. I've not said anything to them remotely approaching what I've said to you.

Your ideas, such as they are, aren't my main problem; others are doing their level best to debate you. They don't need my help.
I despise your setup. Your attempt at issuing your beliefs in a point-by-point manifesto, but prefaced with assertions about being flamed, and statements that you "don't care" if people don't like what you say, as if negative responses are irrelevant to you. How arrogant!

Then, your pompous assertion that all the negative response "amuses" you. Like the whole thing was some sort of mind-game to begin with...
...because, obviously, your "amused detatchment" shtick just proves how above-it-all you are, right?

A real response to your thread? Again; you are a dissembler, who simultaneously talks about how he needs to "share" his beliefs, and pre-emptively dismisses any critcism to those beliefs as "flaming", yet also tacks on the caveat that he "doesn't care" about the negativity he "knows" he will generate. You hoped for an ugly response, you got it, and you felt (and acted) smug about it. So your real reasons weren't to "share" anything, they were to make you feel big.

Well, the truth is, you've been forced to get pretty involved with many of these posters, you manifestly DO care what they say, and your cheating-bastard way of trying to manipulate a presumed "hostile audience" is keyboard-jockey cowardice at it's worst.

And that's why the hostility. Not because you're a rightist bigot, but because you pretend at a forthrightness that you don't have and you talk bullshit that you probably don't actually believe.

<snip> I just think you suck so much, I'd relish the chance to see you damaged, regardless of the harm that comes to me. <snip>

Whoa. A little high on the hatred there!

. . . but because you pretend at a forthrightness that you don't have and you talk bullshit that you probably don't actually believe.


I can assure you that Zuk firmly believes in all that he posted.

Thing is... anyone can say anything they want about the dude's beliefs... but that still doesn't change the fact that those beliefs are what that person believes in...

Zukariaa']Since when do I act like a "tough guy" on the internet?

Your conclusion: Thank you very much. It doesn't really bother me. Your just some person over the internet trying to get me mad. How about this? If you can't give an actual comment on the OP, don't post. I want to know your position on those things that I mentioned, and what you think of what I believe. You can do it nicely, have a real discussion, and not get mad at me because I disagree with what you think. How about that? Sounds good to me.

Well, I'd say not everyone is out to get you, but you're really bringing this upon yourself.

Geez, I haven't used this image in ages, but I think this topic is the perfect opportunity, after seeing the fight between this person and other people, and this person not even trying to back themselves up with something useful, as well as ignoring other people's posts a lot:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/RavenMaxwell/troll.jpg

Ah hah. That's where you're wrong. I didn't "act tough". I made no admissions to my toughness.

I fully expect to get killed or permanently damaged when I provoke someone. I'm not some tough guy and will never say that I am. I just think you suck so much, I'd relish the chance to see you damaged, regardless of the harm that comes to me.



Wrong again. There's lots of idiots on these Forums. I've not said anything to them remotely approaching what I've said to you.

Your ideas, such as they are, aren't my main problem; others are doing their level best to debate you. They don't need my help.
I despise your setup. Your attempt at issuing your beliefs in a point-by-point manifesto, but prefaced with assertions about being flamed, and statements that you "don't care" if people don't like what you say, as if negative responses are irrelevant to you. How arrogant!

Then, your pompous assertion that all the negative response "amuses" you. Like the whole thing was some sort of mind-game to begin with...
...because, obviously, your "amused detatchment" shtick just proves how above-it-all you are, right?

A real response to your thread? Again; you are a dissembler, who simultaneously talks about how he needs to "share" his beliefs, and pre-emptively dismisses any critcism to those beliefs as "flaming", yet also tacks on the caveat that he "doesn't care" about the negativity he "knows" he will generate. You hoped for an ugly response, you got it, and you felt (and acted) smug about it. So your real reasons weren't to "share" anything, they were to make you feel big.

Well, the truth is, you've been forced to get pretty involved with many of these posters, you manifestly DO care what they say, and your cheating-bastard way of trying to manipulate a presumed "hostile audience" is keyboard-jockey cowardice at it's worst.

And that's why the hostility. Not because you're a rightist bigot, but because you pretend at a forthrightness that you don't have and you talk bullshit that you probably don't actually believe.
I'm sorry, but your wrong. I believe in everything I said to the fullest.

This is not here to make people angry and I'm not trying to "manipulate" anyone. There is no real possible way I could over the internet. I don't feel big about anything, so you can stop thinking you're absolutely right about this. No, I don't dismiss every response as flaming, I have given real responses to many of the replies. What I dismiss as flaming is when someone begins insulting me or accusing me of doing this to make people angry. I would have no reason to do such a thing. You think I'm arragont? Maybe I am. Every person is and there is no way around it. Don't insult me. If you don't like what I posted, don't reply. It's as simple as that.

Zukariaa']I'm sorry, but your wrong. I believe in everything I said to the fullest.

This is not here to make people angry and I'm not trying to "manipulate" anyone. There is no real possible way I could over the internet. I don't feel big about anything, so you can stop thinking you're absolutely right about this. No, I don't dismiss every response as flaming, I have given real responses to many of the replies. What I dismiss as flaming is when someone begins insulting me or accusing me of doing this to make people angry. I would have no reason to do such a thing. You think I'm arragont? Maybe I am. Every person is and there is no way around it. Don't insult me. If you don't like what I posted, don't reply. It's as simple as that.

Zukariaa, I havent fully read your Manifesto, so I'm not going to endorse it right now, but you are really brave on this forum. You might even represent the silent majority of forum users.

Zukariaa, I havent fully read your Manifesto, so I'm not going to endorse it right now, but you are really brave on this forum. You might even represent the silent majority of forum users.

I doubt it. I'm usually one of that majority, but posts like this wake me up.

Thing is... anyone can say anything they want about the dude's beliefs... but that still doesn't change the fact that those beliefs are what that person believes in...

It does if we're especially persuasive.

Though some of his beliefs suggest he lacks even a passing familiarity with reason.

don't u think number six a little harsh?:eek:

Zukariaa']I'm sorry, but your wrong. I believe in everything I said to the fullest.

Then have the stones to write an OP that shows that. Not an OP that immediately discounts all criticism of your beliefs by use of the "I don't care if you don't like what I have to say" pseudo-defense.
Oh, it might help to write an OP that wasn't blatantly attempting to incite anger (and nothing else) with strident assertions masquerading as well-reasoned beliefs.

Errikland seconds your strength of belief. Yay. Again, nothing in your OP even remotely supports that, and the OP's purpose is clearly not to merely "share" anything. It's to bray out vague opinion, backed up with "I don't care's" and "Deal with it's", to presumably armor you against criticism.

This is not here to make people angry and I'm not trying to "manipulate" anyone.

Um, yeah. #6; "I don't care if you were raped. Deal with it."

How, again, is that a statement that isn't supposed to upset and make others angry? And yeah, I read the first part. Any reasoning done in #6's first part is quashed in the second part by your contemptuous dismissal of any counter-arguments. You show no attempt at interest or appreciation for other's ideas. Hence, you are bullying, not "sharing".

There is no real possible way I could over the internet.

Yep. Nobody ever got manipulated or emotionally f@cked with over that grand medium, the Internet. Nor by the op-ed piece in a newspaper. Nor by television interview. What a fool I've been.

I don't feel big about anything, so you can stop thinking you're absolutely right about this. No, I don't dismiss every response as flaming, I have given real responses to many of the replies. What I dismiss as flaming is when someone begins insulting me or accusing me of doing this to make people angry. I would have no reason to do such a thing. You think I'm arragont? Maybe I am. Every person is and there is no way around it. Don't insult me. If you don't like what I posted, don't reply. It's as simple as that.

Wait. "Don't reply"? Didn't you say earlier that I should "stop being an ass" and reply to your OP?

Did you only want me to reply if I agreed with you?!

Oh, that's right, of course that's what you wanted. You set up those unspoken rules in the OP.

Again, you are a decietful bully who talks tough.

Again, you weren't interested in sharing in a communicative forum, you were interested in irritating and provoking, under the guise of "sharing", and pre-emptively shutting down dissent to same. And the tone and setup of the OP proves it.

The fact that it didn't work out quite to your satisfaction, doesn't make your intent any less clear.

Heeeey, you responded to the replies you got. Yippee. So you were goaded into response, despite your intent...should I cheer? Hang a medal? that says more positive things about the persistence and interest of the other posters, than it does about your character...

By the way, the offer's still on, and good until whenever.

Adios.