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John Titor: Hoax Or Time Traveler?

Tremerica
29-06-2006, 01:54
Remember back around in 2000/2001 when a guy named John Titor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor)was posting on the internet that he was a time traveler from 2036. And he predicted another world war for 2015? And a bunch of other things too, like another American Civil War, etc.

Well, I was wondering what you guys make of this guy? Personally, I think he's a hoax, but he does make some good statements about the way society's going (i.e. giving up freedoms for security). He's also pretty convincing, not using slang, knowledge of physics, etc. So what do you think? I'll post a poll in a sec.
Vetalia
29-06-2006, 02:02
Along with the prediction of World War III, another notable prediction is that of a Civil war in America, which was predicted to begin in 2004, around the time of the presidential election, and would escalate until 2008, which, according to Titor, "[is] a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over."

Well, I'm still waiting for the civil war...not a word of secession from anywhere in the country and it's already been two years. The funny thing is, the partisanship is less intense now than it was in 2004 so the chance of civil war is even lower.

A Second American Civil War from 2004-2008, during which civil liberties would be surrendered under the guise of National security

As much as people feel our civil liberties are being whittled away, they really aren't that much diminished especially compared to times in the near past. We're a lot freer than we were during the Cuban Missle Crisis or Vietnam and there was no civil war then, so...this one's total bunk.

If the civil war hasn't happened, then everything else is thrown in to doubt. The guy seems to be a logical guesser but not a time traveller.
Dexlysia
29-06-2006, 02:04
...

Seriously?
A Second American Civil War from 2004-2008, during which civil liberties would be surrendered under the guise of National security

There isn't a civil war going on that I know of...

Not to mention the impossibility of backward time travel...
Peisandros
29-06-2006, 02:06
Hoax!!!

So obvious aswell. Sure, he wasn't a dumb person.. But he sure wasn't a time traveler either.
Romanar
29-06-2006, 02:13
Maybe his coming back through time messed things up so the 2nd Civil War never happened! :D
WangWee
29-06-2006, 02:15
Remember back around in 2000/2001 when a guy named John Titor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor)was posting on the internet that he was a time traveler from 2036. And he predicted another world war for 2015? And a bunch of other things too, like another American Civil War, etc.

Well, I was wondering what you guys make of this guy? Personally, I think he's a hoax, but he does make some good statements about the way society's going (i.e. giving up freedoms for security). He's also pretty convincing, not using slang, knowledge of physics, etc. So what do you think? I'll post a poll in a sec.

I know he's a hoax.

How do I know? I'm from the year 2999. In the year 2999 people don't speak, they communicate by emitting gases. And we'll have grown tails again.
Well...I'm off home to smell my wifes.

*spaf*
New Granada
29-06-2006, 02:15
Well, ordinarily I wouldn't believe someone who said he was a magical time traveller, but this guy posted it anonymously on an internet forum...
Vetalia
29-06-2006, 02:16
Maybe his coming back through time messed things up so the 2nd Civil War never happened! :D

That's a possibility...I guess he'd be trying to prevent his future from occuring, just like in the Terminator series. :eek:
The Zoogie People
29-06-2006, 02:20
Well, ordinarily I wouldn't believe someone who said he was a magical time traveller, but this guy posted it anonymously on an internet forum...

XD!

Of course, we only think the civil war isn't happening.
Zexaland
29-06-2006, 02:28
*Hums 'push it to the Limit'.....* :p
Zarathoft
29-06-2006, 02:32
I don't even remember hearing about this....


*sigh* I guess I have to spend MORE time on the internet so I'm caught up on the latest time travelers.
CthulhuFhtagn
29-06-2006, 02:35
Wow. This is the first unanimous poll ever on this forum.
CSW
29-06-2006, 02:39
Wow. This is the first unanimous poll ever on this forum.
Was. :)
Dexlysia
29-06-2006, 02:39
Wow. This is the first unanimous poll ever on this forum.
Don't speak too soon. The "joke option" always gets votes.
EDIT: Speak of the devil...
The Zoogie People
29-06-2006, 02:44
It was later discovered that the machines were ending up about 15 miles away and 3000 fett in the air. The Earth was rotating away from them.


^ does anyone care to do calculations for that? It seems unlikely that if he were a hoax, he would go through the trouble of making sure these numbers were accurate.
Wingarde
29-06-2006, 02:51
I read some stuff about this guy. According to him, there are several VERY similar parallel timelines running at the same time, and one can't travel backwards in the same timeline. That means John allegedly travelled to this timeline from another, very slightly different one. He said that our 2036 might not be his 2036 because of the minute differences (but ones that can change larger events) between timelines. That's also his convenient, implicit excuse if anything he predicts doesn't happen.

But on the whole, I think he was a very bored scientist with too much time on his hands. There's some material about him in AboveTopSecret if you're curious.
XWalesx
29-06-2006, 02:58
Didn't that guy predict a total collapse of the western economy for the year 2005?
Markreich
29-06-2006, 03:01
...
Not to mention the impossibility of backward time travel...

Actually, that depends on quite a lot. If you subscribe to the "Many Worlds" theory (John Gribbin is a bit proponent of this), then it MAY be possible.
Remember, there is NOTHING in Einstein's Theory of Relativity which prohibits time travel!

http://www.lifesci.sussex.ac.uk/home/John_Gribbin/


The dude? He's a total fraud. Otherwise, he'd have made a fortune on sports betting by now! ;)
New Zero Seven
29-06-2006, 03:07
China annexing Korea, Taiwan, and Japan??? And trying to invade Australia? Whoa... now THAT is crazy...
Katganistan
29-06-2006, 03:17
Remember back around in 2000/2001 when a guy named John Titor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor)was posting on the internet that he was a time traveler from 2036.

Actually, no. Never heard of him until this moment.


As the librarians at my school are fond of telling the students, "Anyone can put up a website... you need to decide if the information they are presenting is credible."
The Longinean Order
29-06-2006, 03:28
And he predicted another world war for 2015?

Wierd, I have been predicting WWIII would occur by the end of the twenties for a while now.

Though I don't think he sees it happening this way.

1.) N. Korea launches their missile
2.) It falls on Japan
3.) Japan declare war (Just like they threatened)
4.) Taiwan declares war on N. Korea
5.) China joins N. Korea and invades Taiwan
6.) The United States declares war with China and North Korea (We have a Mutual Defense Pact with Taiwan incase China invades)
7.) Muslim nations like Syria, Iran (Rouge, Islamist ones) declare war on the US
8.) The United Kingdom and the British Commonwealth ally with us
The Longinean Order
29-06-2006, 03:36
I read some stuff about this guy. According to him, there are several VERY similar parallel timelines running at the same time, and one can't travel backwards in the same timeline. That means John allegedly travelled to this timeline from another, very slightly different one. He said that our 2036 might not be his 2036 because of the minute differences (but ones that can change larger events) between timelines. That's also his convenient, implicit excuse if anything he predicts doesn't happen.

But on the whole, I think he was a very bored scientist with too much time on his hands. There's some material about him in AboveTopSecret if you're curious.

That falls in with the multi-verse theory, one in which every action we take each day spawns another universe. There is one in which you brushed your teeth, one in which you didn't. More importantly, there is one in which Hitler won, one in which The South triumphed, one in which America lost the Revolutionary war, etc.
Hammergoats
29-06-2006, 03:41
That guy's a fraud. why, you ask? ecause the world will end in 2012. he lies!!!!:p
The Longinean Order
29-06-2006, 03:43
That guy's a fraud. why, you ask? ecause the world will end in 2012. he lies!!!!:p

That asteroid eh?

It won't destroy the earth unless it hits Yellowstone and sets off the volcano, that would be a disaster.
CthulhuFhtagn
29-06-2006, 04:03
Remember, there is NOTHING in Einstein's Theory of Relativity which prohibits time travel!

Forward time travel. Backwards time travel is prohibited.
The Longinean Order
29-06-2006, 04:09
Forward time travel. Backwards time travel is prohibited.

It is impossible to travel your own time stream. However, it is possible to travel to other times by travelling to a time stream that exists in a different time period, ala Timeline.
Sheni
29-06-2006, 04:12
No, it still doesn't prevent wormholes.
The problem with wormholes, of course, is that they're really, REALLY impractical (You NEED them for at least an hour or so to make a time machine out of them. You HAVE about a fraction of a second. Unless we can fix that, not gonna happen.).
And of course, it's generally agreed that you can't travel back past when the first time machine was made.
So he's a hoax. Probably just bored.
NilbuDcom
29-06-2006, 04:30
I like the way Napster whupped Microsofts ass.

As a computer gimp I can assure you people that even the notion of needing one of those ancient POS portables for "debugging" is so unbelieveably mindbogglingly stupid that it makes me gasp. They just fired up the old wood burning time machine and retrieved some technology from the elder race eh.
Dosuun
29-06-2006, 04:51
It was a hoax. A good hoax that fooled a lot of children and idiots but a hoax.
Keruvalia
29-06-2006, 05:03
If nothing else, PT Barnum would have been very proud of this guy.
Penguin Dictators
29-06-2006, 05:25
That asteroid eh?

It won't destroy the earth unless it hits Yellowstone and sets off the volcano, that would be a disaster.

actually, my friend Kyle and some of his friends are convinced that the world is going to get overrun by Zombies in 2008.
NilbuDcom
29-06-2006, 05:25
If you want real time travel get a copy of Stand on Zanzibar by John Brunner isbn=0345254864195

It was published in 1968 and I first read it in 1988. It's kind of spooky how much of it is coming true. That's the only time travel we have.
Dobbsworld
29-06-2006, 05:27
Maybe he's a time-travelling hoaxster. That would explain a lot.
Penguin Dictators
29-06-2006, 05:31
Maybe he's a time-travelling hoaxster. That would explain a lot.

nah, this has escaped mental patient with internet access written all over it.
Gartref
29-06-2006, 05:33
actually, my friend Kyle and some of his friends are convinced that the world is going to get overrun by Zombies in 2008.

Stan? Is that you?
Penguin Dictators
29-06-2006, 05:38
Stan? Is that you?

No, I'm Max o.O
Dobbsworld
29-06-2006, 05:38
nah, this has escaped mental patient with internet access written all over it.
But he could still be a time-travelling hoaxster. He could be an escaped mental patient - from the future!
Penguin Dictators
29-06-2006, 05:57
But he could still be a time-travelling hoaxster. He could be an escaped mental patient - from the future!

ah! That would mean future diseases! XD
Empress_Suiko
29-06-2006, 06:27
What a load of...... He is a loser looking for fame.







BTW, I am a TimeTraveler from the year 2079! Here is what will REALLY happen! In short form!


2006 - Republicans keep the majority and Liberals riot!
2007 - Riots get worse as California talks about succession
2007 - China Invades Japan and gets it butt kicked and blown back to the stoneage! Japan invades China, Both Koreas and The Phillippines and kills all people that don't look asian enough.
2007 - Israel launches a missle at Iran but hits India instead
2007 - The EU unites and invades Russia
2007 - Russia kicks the EU's behinds and conquers it
2008 - Michael Jackson overthrows Canada and makes child porn legal
2008 - The NS mods win the US presidentcy and outlaw Conservativism



More later...FYI, The meteor is going to hit France.;)
Penguin Dictators
29-06-2006, 06:39
What a load of...... He is a loser looking for fame.







BTW, I am a TimeTraveler from the year 2079! Here is what will REALLY happen! In short form!


2006 - Republicans keep the majority and Liberals riot!
2007 - Riots get worse as California talks about succession
2007 - China Invades Japan and gets it butt kicked and blown back to the stoneage! Japan invades China, Both Koreas and The Phillippines and kills all people that don't look asian enough.
2007 - Israel launches a missle at Iran but hits India instead
2007 - The EU unites and invades Russia
2007 - Russia kicks the EU's behinds and conquers it
2008 - Michael Jackson overthrows Canada and makes child porn legal
2008 - The NS mods win the US presidentcy and outlaw Conservativism



More later...FYI, The meteor is going to hit France.;)


you're somewhat off. In 2008, Micheal Jackson doesn't only overthrow Canada, but he creates his own army of people that share the same views as he does, as he takes over other places in the world, including Ireland, Brazil, and Australia.
NilbuDcom
29-06-2006, 06:42
57% of people in Ireland already think like Michael Jackson.
Penguin Dictators
29-06-2006, 06:45
lol. Well it won't matter, because shortly after the invasion of the MJ Army, the world will be overrun by Zombies. Chemicals produced by the US will seep down into the ground, awakening the undead by the masses, as they'll rise, and go for their main goal in their minds: To feed.

Pretty soon, near the end of 2008, the entire world will either be dead, or undead zombies, roaming around looking for new, fresh victims.
Empress_Suiko
29-06-2006, 06:51
lol. Well it won't matter, because shortly after the invasion of the MJ Army, the world will be overrun by Zombies. Chemicals produced by the US will seep down into the ground, awakening the undead by the masses, as they'll rise, and go for their main goal in their minds: To feed.

Pretty soon, near the end of 2008, the entire world will either be dead, or undead zombies, roaming around looking for new, fresh victims.


And I will be the queen of the zombies.
Penguin Dictators
29-06-2006, 06:54
And I will be the queen of the zombies.

You can't, for you see, when you are a zombie, you won't have anything on your mind except what the other mindless zombies have: Food, and finding it fast.

So when you're a zombie, nothing else will be there.
Empress_Suiko
29-06-2006, 07:06
You can't, for you see, when you are a zombie, you won't have anything on your mind except what the other mindless zombies have: Food, and finding it fast.

So when you're a zombie, nothing else will be there.


I am a super sexy zombie! My zombies don't want food, they want your lovin!:D
Barbaric Tribes
29-06-2006, 07:20
yeah there was no dumbshit from the future time travelling but whoever did do it isnt totally dumb, I mean, I could see another US civil war and a WW3 sometime soon. I see police doing illegal things everyday, just yesterday they pourposley just wondered into people's property during the night on the block next to mine. all covert like. The police latley have been acting very....creepy, outside the law, but I dont believe a mystikal* time being fits in with this.
Desperate Measures
29-06-2006, 07:21
Well, I'm still waiting for the civil war...not a word of secession from anywhere in the country and it's already been two years. The funny thing is, the partisanship is less intense now than it was in 2004 so the chance of civil war is even lower.

I'm fighting the war as hard as I can... it's not my fault nobody cares.
Desperate Measures
29-06-2006, 07:22
yeah there was no dumbshit from the future time travelling but whoever did do it isnt totally dumb, I mean, I could see another US civil war and a WW3 sometime soon. I see police doing illegal things everyday, just yesterday they pourposley just wondered into people's property during the night on the block next to mine. all covert like. The police latley have been acting very....creepy, outside the law, but I dont believe a mystikal* time being fits in with this.
I believe in the Mystical Time Being fitting in with that.
Barbaric Tribes
29-06-2006, 07:44
Although I do like the name he the rebels refer to the US government as during the civil war, the AFE or American Federal Empire. It just sounds so right, It really makes you think of Bush, and something the republicans would seem like....
Barbaric Tribes
29-06-2006, 07:45
I believe in the Mystical Time Being fitting in with that.


hey I'm as ready to take up arms against the government as the next person. so are allot of people I know.
Desperate Measures
29-06-2006, 07:47
hey I'm as ready to take up arms against the government as the next person. so are allot of people I know.
I'm more of a "find another country if things get that bad" type person.
New Granada
29-06-2006, 08:06
I'm more of a "find another country if things get that bad" type person.


You, sir, are a coward.

Unless you're a woman.

Every real man dreams of fighting and winning and taking things he wants from people he crushes.
Desperate Measures
29-06-2006, 08:19
You, sir, are a coward.

Unless you're a woman.

Every real man dreams of fighting and winning and taking things he wants from people he crushes.
How big are these people I'd be crushing?
NilbuDcom
29-06-2006, 08:35
How big are these people I'd be crushing?

Bigget than a bullet, smaller than a coffin.
Bodhis
29-06-2006, 08:38
Maybe he's a time-travelling hoaxster. That would explain a lot.

He's one of the guys from Robot Chicken the other night... well, until they got to Hitler and showed a video of him on the crapper to his troops... then they became heroes!

Anyhow, this hoax was pretty funny and good for a read. Someone had WAY too much time on their hands, though.
Saipea
29-06-2006, 09:03
I hate it when people are dumbasses and purposely vote the wrong way on a poll.
Saipea
29-06-2006, 09:04
You, sir, are a coward.

Unless you're a woman.

Every real man dreams of fighting and winning and taking things he wants from people he crushes.

Sexist or sarcasm?
Thought transference
29-06-2006, 09:27
I hate it when people are dumbasses and purposely vote the wrong way on a poll.


So, you think he was a time traveller? :p

Actually, I hate it when people call another person a "dumbass" for disagreeing with them.
Thought transference
29-06-2006, 09:35
nah, this has escaped mental patient with internet access written all over it.


Interesting idea. To me it has "Nostradamus-wannabee/entrepreneur" written all over it. :p
Thought transference
29-06-2006, 09:53
He's one of the guys from Robot Chicken the other night... well, until they got to Hitler and showed a video of him on the crapper to his troops... then they became heroes!

Anyhow, this hoax was pretty funny and good for a read. Someone had WAY too much time on their hands, though.


Would you also say JRR Tolkien or Michael Scott Card or whoever you like to read also has too much time on their hands?

I don't think of it as a hoax. I prefer to think of it as one of a few examples of the emergence of a new, experimental kind of fictional literature, one where the reader is actively participating in the plot. We've already had attempts at interactive novels, where the readers choose from several possible endings, and we've had --- what should I call it? "fact-ion"? or "fact-asy"? --- where the fiction is presented as documentary-type narrative long enough for the readers to play with the ideas as if they were real. But to me, the JT affair is the next step: the real story --- according to my theory of John Titor, that is --- wasn't just what he (she? they?) published some predictions and warnings. It was the JT prophecies plus the reactions of all of us. We wrote the full JT story by our reactions, whether we were fanboys or skeptics or apathetic or ignorant of the whole thing. We're still writing it now. And there's an undercurrent also of social commentary and analysis in it, although I can't tell if that was intended or if it is an unplanned consequence of the "experiment".

And of course, it generated a certain amount of fame and probably revenue for him/her/them, just as any novel or book of short stories does for more mainstream authors.

That's just how I look at it. Sometimes. For now.
AnarchyeL
29-06-2006, 09:58
I read some stuff about this guy. According to him, there are several VERY similar parallel timelines running at the same time, and one can't travel backwards in the same timeline.Actually, he said that over short time-spans, one can... but that as one attempts to go further back in time, the divergence would increase. He said that with his particular model of time machine, the divergence became dramatic on a trip of sixty years or more.

He also said that GE, which had developed the machine, was working on a superior model. :D

That's also his convenient, implicit excuse if anything he predicts doesn't happen.Yep.

Of course, he also had some strange ideas about how he could go back to his own time in his own "worldline." Something about how his machine would "record the gravity signature" or something like that on the backward trip, so it could reverse the process to get home.

But if this were possible, there is no reason that the machine could not record the return trip as well: and then it should be possible to "map" the superverse (as he called it), with "explorers" reporting back on the condition of the past in various worldlines, thereby providing progressively "closer" lines to the one that matches your own history. Thus, it should ultimately have been possible to consistently return to view past events in your own time.

Of course, he might have argued that this mapping depends on existing records--which may be inaccurate or incomplete. Still, if one assumes that within the history of human record-keeping people at any time would have an accurate memory of the very recent history, then the time explorers could map their own recent history first. From there, they could use the records available at that slightly earlier time to piece together another short segment of earlier history.

In this way, one could consistently move backward and forward within one worldline at least within the span of human history.

Now, I may have missed something in this crazy little argument. :)

But if I am right, then he cannot excuse himself for false predictions--unless for some reason he intentionally went to an alternative past (which would, of course, have been mapped along the way).

Hey, there's an idea. Imagine people from the future vacationing in the past, or in alternate worldlines, where they might find (for instance) a world with cleaner air and water--or worse, imagine a white person heading to an alternate worldline in which slavery were still legal, so that he might get to experience the repulsive role of "master."

I wonder if I could find a world with dragons... :D
AnarchyeL
29-06-2006, 10:07
The dude? He's a total fraud. Otherwise, he'd have made a fortune on sports betting by now! ;)
According to him, after the third World War in 2015 or so, it's a completely different world. People scorn the materialism of our time.

Again, nice cover. At least we can admit that this guy has the virtue of consistency.

And if he were from the future, I bet he'd be in trouble for telling everyone about it. Even if he's right and there's really no chance of a temporal paradox, one would assume that a peace-loving society such as his would fear what might happen if a greedy, militaristic government like ours got wind of a machine that crosses worlds.

Seriously, if our leaders found a "time" machine that was actually already programmed to return to "another" world? They would copy it, make enough to send a small military force through... and then start drilling oil or chopping down forests from as many worlds as we could find. And since we wouldn't have to chop down our forests anymore, in this worldline the forests could be preserved. Unless, of course, our worldline meets up with travellers from another--in which there might be a civilization with larger armies and more advanced technologies even than ours.

As I understand it, nothing about the many-worlds theory precludes the possibility of inter-dimensional war--provided travel between worldlines is possible at all.
Greater Alemannia
29-06-2006, 10:10
This guy is fake. He's breaking the biggest rule of time travel: never interact with beings from another time zone.
AnarchyeL
29-06-2006, 10:15
This guy is fake. He's breaking the biggest rule of time travel: never interact with beings from another time zone.Is that why my parents never let me interact with people from California? :confused:
Markreich
29-06-2006, 10:25
According to him, after the third World War in 2015 or so, it's a completely different world. People scorn the materialism of our time.

Again, nice cover. At least we can admit that this guy has the virtue of consistency.

Yeah, but so do I after eating a bran muffin...

And if he were from the future, I bet he'd be in trouble for telling everyone about it. Even if he's right and there's really no chance of a temporal paradox, one would assume that a peace-loving society such as his would fear what might happen if a greedy, militaristic government like ours got wind of a machine that crosses worlds.

I don't know that he'd get "in trouble", but his saying anything (or indeed even being here) would change which reality he's in anyway.

Seriously, if our leaders found a "time" machine that was actually already programmed to return to "another" world? They would copy it, make enough to send a small military force through... and then start drilling oil or chopping down forests from as many worlds as we could find. And since we wouldn't have to chop down our forests anymore, in this worldline the forests could be preserved. Unless, of course, our worldline meets up with travellers from another--in which there might be a civilization with larger armies and more advanced technologies even than ours.

As I understand it, nothing about the many-worlds theory precludes the possibility of inter-dimensional war--provided travel between worldlines is possible at all.

True! That was actually a plot point in the old Doctor Who episode "Warrior's Gate".
Lunatic Goofballs
29-06-2006, 10:30
Is that why my parents never let me interact with people from California? :confused:

No. That's just a perfectly natural fear of Californians. *nod*
Pure Thought
29-06-2006, 10:32
This guy is fake. He's breaking the biggest rule of time travel: never interact with beings from another time zone.


His planet obviously is not under the Federation's jurisdiction ...
Pure Thought
29-06-2006, 10:35
No. That's just a perfectly natural fear of Californians. *nod*


Ouch. That's hurtful, very hurtful. :(
AnarchyeL
29-06-2006, 10:38
I don't know that he'd get "in trouble", but his saying anything (or indeed even being here) would change which reality he's in anyway.Not if, as he claimed, his machine's computer could plot a course "home."

True! That was actually a plot point in the old Doctor Who episode "Warrior's Gate".
I knew that couldn't have been an original thought. :)
Greater Alemannia
29-06-2006, 10:44
His planet obviously is not under the Federation's jurisdiction ...

Fe... de... ra... tion?
Cannot think of a name
29-06-2006, 10:51
No. That's just a perfectly natural fear of Californians. *nod*
Whatever, you guys are the crazy time travelers from the futuristic world of a few hours from now in your slightly greater hurry to get to tomorrow...
Thought transference
29-06-2006, 11:07
Fe... de... ra... tion?


Sorry -- it's a reference to the "United Federation of Planets". It's a StarTrek thing. They have a directive, not unlike their "Prime Directive", not to interfere with the timeline.

I was trying for a subtle way to say, "as far as anyone knows, the rule not to interfere with the timeline is man-made not (despite paradoxes) inherent in the laws of nature". I guess I went from subtle to obscure.
Quaon
29-06-2006, 12:31
Remember back around in 2000/2001 when a guy named John Titor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor)was posting on the internet that he was a time traveler from 2036. And he predicted another world war for 2015? And a bunch of other things too, like another American Civil War, etc.

Well, I was wondering what you guys make of this guy? Personally, I think he's a hoax, but he does make some good statements about the way society's going (i.e. giving up freedoms for security). He's also pretty convincing, not using slang, knowledge of physics, etc. So what do you think? I'll post a poll in a sec.
God, that is so wierd, I was just thinking about Titor a minute ago...

He's a hoax and probably a political theorist who presented what he thought was gonna happen in the future.
The Longinean Order
29-06-2006, 12:42
I wonder if I could find a world with dragons... :D

If he does, I want to go to that one, hopefully we are talking D&D dragons (sentient types)
Greater Alemannia
29-06-2006, 12:42
Sorry -- it's a reference to the "United Federation of Planets". It's a StarTrek thing. They have a directive, not unlike their "Prime Directive", not to interfere with the timeline.

I was trying for a subtle way to say, "as far as anyone knows, the rule not to interfere with the timeline is man-made not (despite paradoxes) inherent in the laws of nature". I guess I went from subtle to obscure.

No, dude, I got my idea from this old game called "The Journeyman Project." Although I think that rule of time travel is EXTREMELY relevant.
Dishonorable Scum
29-06-2006, 13:40
Titor was a hoax. There were so many obvious contradictions in his story that it's absurd that anyone took him seriously. I guess it just shows how gullible some people are.
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Thought transference
29-06-2006, 16:18
No, dude, I got my idea from this old game called "The Journeyman Project." Although I think that rule of time travel is EXTREMELY relevant.


Wherever you got it, my point is still that it's a man-made rule. There's no reason to suppose otherwise.
Kazus
29-06-2006, 16:19
Hoax or no hoax, hes pretty much right.

And the Journeyman Project series kicked alot of ass.
Penguin Dictators
29-06-2006, 16:44
According to him, after the third World War in 2015 or so, it's a completely different world. People scorn the materialism of our time.

Again, nice cover. At least we can admit that this guy has the virtue of consistency.

And if he were from the future, I bet he'd be in trouble for telling everyone about it. Even if he's right and there's really no chance of a temporal paradox, one would assume that a peace-loving society such as his would fear what might happen if a greedy, militaristic government like ours got wind of a machine that crosses worlds.

Seriously, if our leaders found a "time" machine that was actually already programmed to return to "another" world? They would copy it, make enough to send a small military force through... and then start drilling oil or chopping down forests from as many worlds as we could find. And since we wouldn't have to chop down our forests anymore, in this worldline the forests could be preserved. Unless, of course, our worldline meets up with travellers from another--in which there might be a civilization with larger armies and more advanced technologies even than ours.

As I understand it, nothing about the many-worlds theory precludes the possibility of inter-dimensional war--provided travel between worldlines is possible at all.

You need to watch more Fairly Odd parents, he probably used a time travelling scooter! XD
Tremerica
29-06-2006, 18:49
You need to watch more Fairly Odd parents, he probably used a time travelling scooter! XD

No, I'm pretty sure it was a Delorean. :D
Zilam
29-06-2006, 19:25
Actually, no. Never heard of him until this moment.


As the librarians at my school are fond of telling the students, "Anyone can put up a website... you need to decide if the information they are presenting is credible."


Off topic BUT...

Kat, i don't think I ever read your posts, I just see the cute little avatar, and I smile, nod and agree with what ever you say :p
Wilgrove
29-06-2006, 21:27
Meh I think he's fake, unless he can show me what happens to me in 2036 or whatever year it is.
HC Eredivisie
29-06-2006, 21:34
Meh I think he's fake, unless he can show me what happens to me in 2036 or whatever year it is.
Including but not limited to: sunrise, rain, snow, flooding, vulcanic eruption, sunset, birds singing...need I go on?:p
Deep Kimchi
29-06-2006, 21:38
The postings claimed Titor to be a serving soldier who was assigned to a government time travel project. He was supposedly sent from 2036 back to 1975 to retrieve an IBM 5100 computer which he claimed was needed to "debug" various legacy computer programs in 2036. The postings also described various future events between 2000 and 2037, including World War III (predicted for 2015) followed by two decades of recovery.

Hate to tell you this, but it's possible to write an emulator for the computer in question, and debug that way. In fact, it's probable that such an emulator exists already.

No need to do something as elaborate as go back in time in a time machine to retrieve an original machine.
Hokan
29-06-2006, 21:44
One of his predictions:

"Australia successfully repels a Chinese invasion."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Kamsaki
29-06-2006, 22:11
Stan? Is that you?
Mrrffmle nga voomamle!

*Muffled mumblings*
Penguin Dictators
29-06-2006, 23:31
Mrrffmle nga voomamle!

*Muffled mumblings*

I knew I forgot something! *unties the sack that Kamsaki is in* there, you can leave now. ;)
Kamsaki
29-06-2006, 23:40
I knew I forgot something! *unties the sack that Kamsaki is in* there, you can leave now. ;)
*Breathes*

... Damn you, Penguins! I'll get you next time!
Penguin Dictators
29-06-2006, 23:41
hey! You were the one that was hiding from the CIA, I just put you in there to make it think I was taking the garbage out when they came by to ask for you.
Gartref
29-06-2006, 23:43
I built a Gravity Vortex Reticulator that allows me to travel to alternate timelines.

I am currently using it to find an alternate universe where my girlfriend isn't such a bitch.

No luck yet.
Trostia
30-06-2006, 00:00
Wow. This is the first unanimous poll ever on this forum.

You jinxed it!
Deep Kimchi
30-06-2006, 00:29
I built a Gravity Vortex Reticulator that allows me to travel to alternate timelines.

I am currently using it to find an alternate universe where my girlfriend isn't such a bitch.

No luck yet.

That's because your home is being bathed in rays generated by my Pre-emptive Causality Generator. I'm putting a bitch in every timeline.
Gartref
30-06-2006, 00:31
That's because your home is being bathed in rays generated by my Pre-emptive Causality Generator. I'm putting a bitch in every timeline.

Curse you!
Galloism
30-06-2006, 00:33
Maybe his coming back through time messed things up so the 2nd Civil War never happened! :D

But then, he wouldn't know about the Civil War to report to us about it, because he never experienced it!
Lunatic Goofballs
30-06-2006, 00:35
Can't he be both?

Maybe he's a time traveler AND he came back to fuck with us.

I would. :)

:eek: Maybe it IS me!!! :eek:




...or will be. :confused:
Dishonorable Scum
30-06-2006, 01:31
Hate to tell you this, but it's possible to write an emulator for the computer in question, and debug that way. In fact, it's probable that such an emulator exists already.

No need to do something as elaborate as go back in time in a time machine to retrieve an original machine.
And this is only ONE of the areas where his story didn't hold water. Never mind that it's highly doubtful that there would be any point to running software from a circa-1975 computer anyway; if you had to, just write an emulator. The emulator running on modern (and by that I mean circa 2006) hardware would probably be much faster and more reliable than the original machine, too, not to mention easier to maintain. And he'd have us believe that the government of 2036 found it easier and cheaper to build a time machine than to program an emulator for an obsolete computer. Sorry, try again, Johnny boy...

I could go on about his ignorance of computers, but there are so many other areas where he screwed up that it's a shame to stick to just one topic. My favorite part where he seriously contradicted himself is where, in one post, he claimed that in his time, they show "great respect to their elders", while in another post, he claims that people of his time think very poorly of young people from our time. Now, think about it - 2036 is only 30 years from now. The young people of our time ARE the elders of his time! I plan to still be around in 2036 - I'll only be 70 years old, after all. (Although that should be enough to qualify as one of Titor's "elders", which should give me the right to kick his narcissitic little ass if I ever run into him.)
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