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I was behind some of these emo kids in Atlanta airport a week ago Sunday at the Chilis. These emo kids were on their way to Germany for the summer and all they talked about was how their parents "just didn't care about their problems".

After hearing about how the only good thing this kid's parents ever did for him was buy him AND his boyfriend tickets and hotel rooms, I just had to leave. It was either that or a freak gets tossed to the ramp at ATL...

He's a freak because he is a typical teenager who is angsty towards his parents? Or because he has a boyfriend...?

He's a freak because he is a typical teenager who is angsty towards his parents? Or because he has a boyfriend...?
Deep Kimchi was never a teenager, duh.

All teenagers are, in some way or another, unsatisfied about adult authority figures and their general situation. 'Emo's' are the ones in which this lack of satisfaction is a bit higher than average.

So, you're not actually pissed off at emos, you're pissed off at some kid not appreciating what his parents have done for him. Why complain about emos when almost every kid does that?

All teenagers are, in some way or another, unsatisfied about adult authority figures and their general situation. 'Emo's' are the ones in which this lack of satisfaction is a bit higher than average.
Emos also seem to lack the usual teen angst outlets of sports, underage drinking, picking on the weak, and getting into fights. This only makes their situation worse.

Indeed. Though it is a good thing they don't do the latter three, it does make their situation worse in its own way. I once 'knew' a so-called 'emo' online...He ran a Neverwinter Nights server, and was constantly criticizing the players and screwing them over. He eventually said he'd commit suicide, but according to someone who also played on his server while it lasted said he's appearantly still around.

Gotta agree with the Dimi... the only type of people who annoy me more, are the collar poping, longboard carrying (not riding), prepie fools who are about as unique and interesting as a carrot. I got my fair share of angst as a teen, but if my parents bought me hotels and tickets to Germany for a few weeks, I wouldn't be downing on them. They should just kill themselves and save everyone from hearing their worthless tirade against their parents.

The obligatory Emo Song (emosong.ytmnd.com) :D

He's a freak because he is a typical teenager who is angsty towards his parents? Or because he has a boyfriend...?
Probably because the kid wouldn't stop his snivelling and was underappreicative of his parents gesture. I think that's why Deep is peeved.

I was behind some of these emo kids in Atlanta airport a week ago Sunday at the Chilis. These emo kids were on their way to Germany for the summer and all they talked about was how their parents "just didn't care about their problems".

After hearing about how the only good thing this kid's parents ever did for him was buy him AND his boyfriend tickets and hotel rooms, I just had to leave. It was either that or a freak gets tossed to the ramp at ATL...
Emos did not invent brattiness. It is quite possible to be an angsty teen without being emo. Hell, you'll get stuck in therapy if you are a teen who doesn't hate your parents.

I was behind some of these emo kids in Atlanta airport a week ago Sunday at the Chilis. These emo kids were on their way to Germany for the summer and all they talked about was how their parents "just didn't care about their problems".

After hearing about how the only good thing this kid's parents ever did for him was buy him AND his boyfriend tickets and hotel rooms, I just had to leave. It was either that or a freak gets tossed to the ramp at ATL...
I've never had the "pleasure" of encountering any "emo kids," but I'm sure I would find them amusing. ;)

Emos did not invent brattiness. It is quite possible to be an angsty teen without being emo.

True. But being human, we associate appearances with behavior so all those recognizable sub-cultures - the emos, goths, wiggers, jocks, etc. allow you to put a face on the things that bother you. In this case DK had a bad brush with emos. I myself have had enough bad experiences with jocks to make it difficult not to associate them with...jerkness, heh.

ok, so basically you want people to stop talking about bad things and stop being depressed? Good luck with that, call me in about a few decades when it's finally over with.

No matter what, there's always going to be someone like that in the world, it's just who some people are. Don't like it? Oh well, you shouldn't have listened to someone else's conversation anyways, there is something called "minding your own business" you know. Even if you're behind them, you do have the capability to block that out and ignore them.

It's our fault. Emo is an extension of Goth and we invtented Goth.

It's our fault. Emo is an extension of Goth and we invtented Goth.

Nah... 'Emo' is to 'rock', as 'goth' is to 'punk'.

Blame Radiohead. Just randomly, I mean... for anything. Bastards.

Blame Radiohead. Just randomly, I mean... for anything. Bastards.

Oh I do. Believe me I do. I ever meet them, I'm gonna kick 'em in the nuts.

Nah... 'Emo' is to 'rock', as 'goth' is to 'punk'.

Blame Radiohead. Just randomly, I mean... for anything. Bastards.
I agree.

I blame Radiohead for just about everything:D

whiney creeps.

I thought everybody except for me loved Radiohead. I mean when they first got popular everybody was fucking raving about them, and to me they just seemed to suck as badly as a three dollar crack whore.

I agree.

I blame Radiohead for just about everything:D

whiney creeps.

Yessss. :) World peace shall be attained, through the universal blaming of Radiohead.

And - since this is an online forum, and I'm so especially excited about it... 'woot'!

Deep Kimchi was never a teenager, duh.
That's ok, you more than make up for it. LMAO!

Nah... 'Emo' is to 'rock', as 'goth' is to 'punk'.

Blame Radiohead. Just randomly, I mean... for anything. Bastards.

Nuh-uh, emo has its (original) roots in punk hardcore. :p

I thought everybody except for me loved Radiohead. I mean when they first got popular everybody was fucking raving about them, and to me they just seemed to suck as badly as a three dollar crack whore.

I liked the video to "Just", and the video to "Street Spirit". But - in general, to LISTEN to (which, I think you are [i]supposed to, with bands, right?) they are like a divebar REM-cover-band, without the enigmatic charms or velvetty tones of Mr Stipe.

My personal opinion, obviously.

The obligatory Emo Song (emosong.ytmnd.com) :D
Ah! So that's an "emo" song. Sounds to me as if they just have too much time on their hands and no motivation.

Of course their Parents "Don't understand about their problems".
It's because they don't want their Parents to Understand their problems.
If a parent tries to they say that their parents are "Surpressing" them.

Anything for an excuse to bitch.

Man, I wish my parents hated me enough when I was a teen to pay for a vacation in Germany.
Obviously I didn't whine enough about how no-one understood me.

Instead I had the joys of a 3 day car trip to my grandparents most summers stuck in the middle of the back seat between my two older brothers who would play the 'car colour' game. Except their rules were a blue car meant brother-on-the-left could punch me on the shoulder and a red car meant brother-on-the-right could do the honours.

Nuh-uh, emo has its (original) roots in punk hardcore. :p

Oh I dunno .... I was a punk/skater type in high school and none of us were that whiney. Where did the whiney come from? I figured Goth ... whiney bunch of vampire wannabees.

Man, I wish my parents hated me enough when I was a teen to pay for a vacation in Germany.
Obviously I didn't whine enough about how no-one understood me.

Instead I had the joys of a 3 day car trip to my grandparents most summers stuck in the middle of the back seat between my two older brothers who would play the 'car colour' game. Except their rules were a blue car meant brother-on-the-left could punch me on the shoulder and a red car meant brother-on-the-right could do the honours.

Do you love your family?

Oh I dunno .... I was a punk/skater type in high school and none of us were that whiney. Where did the whiney come from? I figured Goth ... whiney bunch of vampire wannabees.
I was also a punk/skater type in highschool, never heard the whining from my friends, it was always the "I am a psychic vampire" crowd....:rolleyes:

Do you love your family?
Define 'love'

Man, I wish my parents hated me enough when I was a teen to pay for a vacation in Germany.
Obviously I didn't whine enough about how no-one understood me.

Instead I had the joys of a 3 day car trip to my grandparents most summers stuck in the middle of the back seat between my two older brothers who would play the 'car colour' game. Except their rules were a blue car meant brother-on-the-left could punch me on the shoulder and a red car meant brother-on-the-right could do the honours.


Imagine if your parents were understanding enough to pay for your teenage gay boyfriend to go to Germany with you. That seems fairly understanding to me.

On the other hand, maybe it's worth the price of the tickets to get the kid out of the country so you don't have to listen to his crap.

I liked the video to "Just", and the video to "Street Spirit". But - in general, to LISTEN to (which, I think you are [i]supposed to, with bands, right?) they are like a divebar REM-cover-band, without the enigmatic charms or velvetty tones of Mr Stipe.

My personal opinion, obviously.
Each to their own, admittedly, but I'd say that Radiohead are superior to REM both musically and lyrically, not just in their more mainstream albums (The Bends, OK Computer), but also in their display of talent and diversity by producing two brilliant albums (Kid A, Amnesiac) far removed from the traditional 'indie-rock' that they had previously been known for.

I was also a punk/skater type in highschool, never heard the whining from my friends, it was always the "I am a psychic vampire" crowd....:rolleyes:

Exactly ... so Emo can't have come from punk.

Oh I dunno .... I was a punk/skater type in high school and none of us were that whiney. Where did the whiney come from? I figured Goth ... whiney bunch of vampire wannabees.

I was loosely a goth in college, and still am, to a lesser extent. 'Emo' just isn't on goth radar.

I also listened to hardcore (and industrial, and techno, and classical... I like eclectic)... and don't see much of a connect between Headbutt and Dashboard Confessional.

To much border blurring, I think... I think 'emotional hardcore' might just as easily be called 'indie rock', most of the time... and I see a closer connection between early Blur and Dashboard Confessional, than between Pailhead and D.C.

Exactly ... so Emo can't have come from punk.
The attitude may not be derived from punk, but the music is. Punk --> Punk hardcore --> emotional hardcore --> (proper) emo --> modern (ie. whiny) emo.

Exactly ... so Emo can't have come from punk.
Emo is too whiney. It's kinda like KISS - tough image with wussy rock.

As a Teen, who falls somewhere between the Nerd/Jock category, I declare that Emo's are in fact douchebags. One of my old friends "became" one and now she's just an angsty douchey bitch; I would have prefered she turned to Scientology.

Dudes, seriously.... blame the Smashing Pumpkins more. Billy Corgan is the *ultimate* whiner.

Billy Corgan -------> :eek: :gundge: <--------- Me

Ok, so in the end who cares where it came from ....

The question is: Can we get rid of it?

Of course their Parents "Don't understand about their problems".
It's because they don't want their Parents to Understand their problems.
If a parent tries to they say that their parents are "Surpressing" them.

Anything for an excuse to bitch.


Not to mention everyone's favorite conversation.

Mom: Hey Honey
Kid: Hey
Mom: How was school?
Kid: Good
Mom: Anything Happen?
Kid: No
Mom: Oh, ok...

so that kind of leads up to it all.

Dudes, seriously.... blame the Smashing Pumpkins more. Billy Corgan is the *ultimate* whiner.

Billy Corgan -------> :eek: :gundge: <--------- Me
not to mention he is a jerk IRL, I would have kicked the crap out of him too, but I decided it would be better to keep my job........

Man, I wish my parents hated me enough when I was a teen to pay for a vacation in Germany.
Obviously I didn't whine enough about how no-one understood me.

Instead I had the joys of a 3 day car trip to my grandparents most summers stuck in the middle of the back seat between my two older brothers who would play the 'car colour' game. Except their rules were a blue car meant brother-on-the-left could punch me on the shoulder and a red car meant brother-on-the-right could do the honours.

Material things such as fancy trips don't necessarily make people happy. I think there's a bit more to life, although a trip to Germany wouldn't hurt. :cool: Money doesn't buy you happiness. I rather have my Dad play monopoly with me and show me that he cares about me than have him ship me off to Germany.

Not to mention everyone's favorite conversation.

Mom: Hey Honey
Kid: Hey
Mom: How was school?
Kid: Good
Mom: Anything Happen?
Kid: No
Mom: Oh, ok...

so that kind of leads up to it all.


More like

Mom: Hey Honey
Kid: Hey
Mom: Where'd these cuts on your wrist come from?
Kid: LEAVE ME ALONE IT'S MY LIFE!!!! *runs off to smoke pot and feel alone*

Imagine if your parents were understanding enough to pay for your teenage gay boyfriend to go to Germany with you. That seems fairly understanding to me.

On the other hand, maybe it's worth the price of the tickets to get the kid out of the country so you don't have to listen to his crap.
I think it's probably more the latter.
I know if I had a kid like that, I'd be sending them as far away, and for as long as possible.

Personally I blame the parents for raising such a whiny ungrateful brat.


Speaking of brats and bad parents, the other day I was on the ferry home and a bunch of primary-age school kids were down the back being pretty noisy. A women went up to the mother of one of them who was sitting up the front (where I was) and told her that her daughter was being very loud and disruptive.
The mother's reply?
Literally it was, while interrupting the woman, this: "Do you know what I'm going to say? Hmm? Do you? It's not just MY child that is being noisy down there. There are others."
And with that she turned to her friend with a smug look on her face and ignored the complainant totally, who after standing there for a few seconds trudged back to her seat.

"Wow", I thought, "You're certainly raising a child who'll grow up fully understanding the concepts of rights and responsibilities."

It's also the first time I think I've ever heard a mother use the cliche, "But everyone else is doing it!"

More like

Mom: Hey Honey
Kid: Hey
Mom: Where'd these cuts on your wrist come from?
Kid: LEAVE ME ALONE IT'S MY LIFE!!!! *runs off to smoke pot and feel alone*

except that's stereotyping, and not every single person who is Emo is like that.

I think it's probably more the latter.
I know if I had a kid like that, I'd be sending them as far away, and for as long as possible.

Personally I blame the parents for raising such a whiny ungrateful brat.


Speaking of brats and bad parents, the other day I was on the ferry home and a bunch of primary-age school kids were down the back being pretty noisy. A women went up to the mother of one of them who was sitting up the front (where I was) and told her that her daughter was being very loud and disruptive.
The mother's reply?
Literally it was, while interrupting the woman, this: "Do you know what I'm going to say? Hmm? Do you? It's not just MY child that is being noisy down there. There are others."
And with that she turned to her friend with a smug look on her face and ignored the complainant totally, who after standing there for a few seconds trudged back to her seat.

"Wow", I thought, "You're certainly raising a child who'll grow up fully understanding the concepts of rights and responsibilities."

It's also the first time I think I've ever heard a mother use the cliche, "But everyone else is doing it!"


HAHAHAHA, frickin' hilarious! Smack that B down!

Money doesn't buy you happiness.
Maybe not, but it certainly makes being miserable much more bearable.

except that's stereotyping, and not every single person who is Emo is like that.


Terribly sorry, I thought that since most all of these posts are stereotyping in some way or another, it wouldn't matter. :rolleyes: Anyway, what's wrong with stereotypes? As long as you don't take them as law, I'd say that about half the time they turn out to be right.

Maybe not, but it certainly makes being miserable much more bearable.
I'm not gonna disagree with that! But still...

Terribly sorry, I thought that since most all of these posts are stereotyping in some way or another, it wouldn't matter. :rolleyes: Anyway, what's wrong with stereotypes? As long as you don't take them as law, I'd say that about half the time they turn out to be right.

Stereotyping is the same as judging, and judging people is both stupid and wrong. When you stereotype someone, when you meet someone who falls into that group, you've already got an opinion and everything about them, even though they might not be like that. That itself affects the relationship, and can create problems.

That's like high school stereotyping, seperating the geeks, etc... and giving them a definition, and every "geek" you meet from now on is going to be just like that. When in fact, you might meet a person that fell into that group, but they could still be someone that you'd want to at least talk to, etc...

Terribly sorry, I thought that since most all of these posts are stereotyping in some way or another, it wouldn't matter. :rolleyes: Anyway, what's wrong with stereotypes? As long as you don't take them as law, I'd say that about half the time they turn out to be right.

Kind of like profiling young Arabic Muslim men. Yeah, it would work for screening airline hijackers, but it's politically incorrect.

Nah... 'Emo' is to 'rock', as 'goth' is to 'punk'.

Blame Radiohead. Just randomly, I mean... for anything. Bastards.

If anything emo is to DC hardcore, as goth is to punk.

Blame Fugazi.

What the fuck do Radiohead have to do with emo, it was around for 10 years (1984) before Radiohead had a single. And, Brit-Pop also has nothing to do with hardcore or emo. :)

Ok, so in the end who cares where it came from ....

The question is: Can we get rid of it?

YES!!

OK, first of all, the poster who mentioned that "emo" as a musical subgenre came from American Hardcore, a subgenre of what people call "punk", is 100% correct. Emo did not come from Goth (i.e., Peter Murphy, Bauhaus, Christian Death or any other iteration of actual Goth). Sorry, that's just not so, and I suspect is a misunderstanding stemming from the fact that most people no longer know what actual "goth" is.

The only two real worthwhile Emo bands were Rites of Spring and Embrace. Both sprang from xXxDC HardcorexXx. They both appeared around 1985 and petered out shortly thereafter. As is correct. Good punk rock should not live long. And yes, I know that their members' fusion into Fugazi is seen as a carrying on of the tradition...whatever.

Long story short (ha!), any "emo" that exists today is MTV marketeering and basically a bunch of bullshit. Similarly, kids who listen to today's "emo" and think of it as being legitimate are:
a) very young and ignorant, and should be informed of their regrettable error, or
b) useless scene-jumping short-haired-hippie consumerist feck'tards who believe anything marketed as "punk" on TV is great...they ought to be machinegunned.

OH- AND HOW BE RID OF IT??? (Emo, I mean?)

Take a page from a group called The Wierdoes..."Destroy All Music".

You heard me. Destroy all music. Music is crap. All that money, and time, and energy, devoted to...what?

Think it's gonna cure cancer? Get us to Mars? Do my goddamned Master's thesis for me? No...but we rave about it, think about it, spend money on it, like it's actually worth something...

Really. It's crap. Drop it. Just stop listening.

Let the Hillary Duffs and Madonnas and feckin' Metallicas and R. Kellys of the world have to get real jobs, fa Chrissakes.

Parasites.

:p Once again, to be taken with a barrel a' salt:p

Then what's next? Destroy all movies? Destroy all fiction? Are we going to become like the people in Fahrenheit 451?

I say destroy certain TYPES of music, but not all...because not all music that bad really.

Stereotyping is the same as judging, and judging people is both stupid and wrong. When you stereotype someone, when you meet someone who falls into that group, you've already got an opinion and everything about them, even though they might not be like that. That itself affects the relationship, and can create problems.

That's like high school stereotyping, seperating the geeks, etc... and giving them a definition, and every "geek" you meet from now on is going to be just like that. When in fact, you might meet a person that fell into that group, but they could still be someone that you'd want to at least talk to, etc...

aren't you sterotyping the bigot in me? :p On a more serious note, everone ,regardless of how high and mighty they are, makes assumptions about people the moment they meet them based off of their sex, clothes, hair, etc. It's inevitable and a natural human thing to do. I agree with you when you take those sterotypes as the only thing that a person can/could be, that you end up making judgments that are probably not sound.

To your second part, those groups are usually defined because that's how the members wanted to define it. People say to themselves, where can I find a bunch of people like me? and then they go into the group that best fits them.

YES!!
Think it's gonna cure cancer? Get us to Mars? Do my goddamned Master's thesis for me? No...but we rave about it, think about it, spend money on it, like it's actually worth something...



Dude, whatever... Bill and Ted created world peace with their music!


...admittedly they had Death as a bassist.....

aren't you sterotyping the bigot in me? :p On a more serious note, everone ,regardless of how high and mighty they are, makes assumptions about people the moment they meet them based off of their sex, clothes, hair, etc. It's inevitable and a natural human thing to do. I agree with you when you take those sterotypes as the only thing that a person can/could be, that you end up making judgments that are probably not sound.

To your second part, those groups are usually defined because that's how the members wanted to define it. People say to themselves, where can I find a bunch of people like me? and then they go into the group that best fits them.

not necessarily, because I have not said anything about you or judged you in any way whatsoever, so I'm not. I'm just pointing out that you are stereotyping XD (and yes,I noticed you were joking XD)

and I disagree that it's inevitable. Every human was born with instincts and whatnot, yes, but we were also born with the capacity to step past those. When you don't try to learn to overcome those, and stick to the belief that it's "Natural instinct" then yes, it would be inevitable.

Then what's next? Destroy all movies? Destroy all fiction? Are we going to become like the people in Fahrenheit 451?

I say destroy certain TYPES of music, but not all...because not all music that bad really.
Let's start with hip hop and rape (the new type, not that old skool stuff)...

Then what's next? Destroy all movies? Destroy all fiction? Are we going to become like the people in Fahrenheit 451?

YES, and YES. Save us some more headaches. Destroy all TV, too. Then we can just sit around and stare at the rats and bugs crawling through our empty, dirty, falling-to-pieces apartments.

I say destroy certain TYPES of music, but not all...because not all music that bad really.


Nonsense. No mention was made of "bad". If it were "bad", I'd be taking far more explicitly violent measures.

It's just garbage. Expensive, time-wasting garbage. Get rid of it. Ignore it. Do some pushups or something.

:p Penguin, I'm baiting you...you know that, right?:p

not necessarily, because I have not said anything about you or judged you in any way whatsoever, so I'm not. I'm just pointing out that you are stereotyping XD (and yes,I noticed you were joking XD)

and I disagree that it's inevitable. Every human was born with instincts and whatnot, yes, but we were also born with the capacity to step past those. When you don't try to learn to overcome those, and stick to the belief that it's "Natural instinct" then yes, it would be inevitable.


Actually you indirectly did. By telling me about the flaws of stereotyping, you assumed that I either did not know why they were bad, or that I was a bigot and you wanted to correct my thinking. :D

kill all the emos! bunch of gays the lot of them. go an crawl in a hole and die :upyours:

in the nicest possilble way! :)

Let's start with hip hop and rape (the new type, not that old skool stuff)...

XD!!!! Well of course we should stop rape XD (yes I know you were joking)

but I agree, especially with the rap part. Most rap nowadays has gotten out of hand. People are using it to say horrible things in their lyrics, heck, even hip hop is. That right there is the first on the list!

Our first one to go after: Eminem.

But, without Emos, who would I make fun of?
nothing more can be said about furries.
zentai is just too weird to comment on.
and practically everything else is protected by social pressures.

But, without Emos, who would I make fun of?
nothing more can be said about furries.
zentai is just too weird to comment on.
and practically everything else is protected by social pressures.


haha true true. we should encourage them, just to stone them back to the hole they came from :mp5:

But, without Emos, who would I make fun of?
nothing more can be said about furries.
zentai is just too weird to comment on.
and practically everything else is protected by social pressures.

why the hell would you make fun of anyone anyways? Don't you have a life?

Because seriously, if you did, you won't be wasting it on something pointless as making fun of others to make yourself look better <_<

grow up.

XD!!!! Well of course we should stop rape XD (yes I know you were joking)

but I agree, especially with the rap part. Most rap nowadays has gotten out of hand. People are using it to say horrible things in their lyrics, heck, even hip hop is. That right there is the first on the list!

Our first one to go after: Eminem.
50 cent first.

Ok, I'm 16 years old, I was home schooled and I'm officially a high school graduate. My father is an emotionally abusive, clinically paranoid, domineering, narcissistic postal worker who also happens to be a consummate materialist with no conscience... He cares more about the cost of a piece of antique furniture then the wellbeing of his wife and children. I've spent the last seven years of my life doing manual labor on a "family renovation project" that has chewed up thousands of dollars and has been the center point of my life and that of my two brothers. My father refuses to morgage it or hire professionals to finish it... It's just there, eating up money and consuming all our lives. I have extremely little of what a normal teenager would call a "life." I live on a day-to-day basis carefully choosing every word I speak because my father is so paranoid and insecure that even a tone inflection can be read as disrespect and cause a calculated outburst of rage.

To say that I am not "understood" by my family would be simultaneously true and a misnomer. No one here has any idea who I really am, what my motivations and interests are, or the depth of understanding I have for my situation. This is the case because I don't let them, my day to day life is a carefully and methodically designed pretense intended to preserve a tolerable status quo.

I am perfectly aware that teenagers have likely committed suicide because of conditions far more bearable then what I deal with on a daily basis, I know that the vast majority of "emo" kids live in the lap of luxury compared to this, and that families have ended in divorce long before scratching the extend to the emotional abuse my mother endured over the years... Yet, I'm not even close to being "emo" or any other degenerate sub-culture. I don't whine about it, I don't allow myself to be depressed or defeated by it, I won't look back in anger towards this life, I don't resent being home schooled or forced to work, and I've come to a type of appreciation for my father. He taught me exactly how NOT to live my life and that is something I will understand for the rest of my life.

Flight to Germany? We don't have vacations. Gay boyfriend? My (and my brother's) relationships have been manipulated or outright destroyed by my father... He viewed them as being part of "our own agendas" that where "not devoted to this family." Another odd quark of his, when he refers to "this family" he refers solely to himself, almost a Louis-esque declaration akin to "I am the state." Then again, he is an outright misogynist so he may have actually preferred a gay boyfriend...

Long story short, these kids are pathetic. They're the unrefined epitome of selfishness, apathy, materialistic indulgence, and ungrateful resentment. They have no backbone, no emotional depth or maturity (ironically enough), and no real concept of hardship. That is all.

50 cent first.

even better, double elimination. Get them both at the same time!

why the hell would you make fun of anyone anyways? Don't you have a life?

Because seriously, if you did, you won't be wasting it on something pointless as making fun of others to make yourself look better <_<

grow up.


You're lame. :p

But, without Emos, who would I make fun of?
nothing more can be said about furries.
zentai is just too weird to comment on.
and practically everything else is protected by social pressures.


Billy Corgan


:sniper:

"Emo" is a steriotype which kids attempt to live up to. It's over used, it's cliche & it's lame. People are people regardless of what they look like. Nothing is black & white, people don't go under categories, if you label you're lame. Because not only are you complaining about something which you create & endorse by labelling a person, but you're judging them based on one moment in their lives.

The whole issue pisses me off really, it seems people love to judge others because they can, this perticular situation is an example of this, you don't know this person, you don't know thier lifes story. You can't just assume that they're whinning over nothing.

All teens hate their parents, but there's a reason for this, & if you were educated, you'd know it. Everyone is entitled to bitch about thier parents, even if it's for a stupid reason. So don't mock a complete stranger because you were listening to their conversation with a closed minded attitude & jumped to conclusions about someone elses life.
kaythanks.

You're lame. :p

that insult was worse. :-P

Durn RC, that's hardcore.... hope everything works out for the best. Take it easy, man.

I was behind some of these emo kids in Atlanta airport a week ago ...You realise, of course, that you're just confirming their persecution complex, right?

DK - Spawning new emo-clones since 2006 (tm).

"Emo" is a steriotype which kids attempt to live up to. It's over used, it's cliche & it's lame. People are people regardless of what they look like. Nothing is black & white, people don't go under categories, if you label you're lame. Because not only are you complaining about something which you create & endorse by labelling a person, but you're judging them based on one moment in their lives.

The whole issue pisses me off really, it seems people love to judge others because they can, this perticular situation is an example of this, you don't know this person, you don't know thier lifes story. You can't just assume that they're whinning over nothing.

All teens hate their parents, but there's a reason for this, & if you were educated, you'd know it. Everyone is entitled to bitch about thier parents, even if it's for a stupid reason. So don't mock a complete stranger because you were listening to their conversation with a closed minded attitude & jumped to conclusions about someone elses life.
kaythanks.


I'm going to assume things about people to piss you off... merely because I think it'd be fun. :D I assume from the anger in your message you are probably wearing a black article of clothing, you have dyed hair and are under the age of 18.

You're lame. :p
Now waitaminute. Penguin's having a rough day. I suspect that he or she is not quite as one-dimensional as their posts make them appear to be.

The fact that Penguin appears to be taking MY posts in this thread seriously is a sign that he or she got a nerve rubbed raw by something posted earlier on...
... or perhaps by an overall tone to the thread. The persistent yet elusive recurrent chorus of "emotional=weak=fa99ot=worthless", perhaps?

'Cause that kind of idiocy bothers me, too.

I just chimed in on the "misunderstanding what Emo Music is", to be a Music Ayatollah. And to proudly trumpet my dork-knowledge of obscure punk/hardcore trivia.

As for the genius with the "bunch of gays the lot of them!" commentary...

I'm SURE you are being lighthearted.;) If not, I got a few gay friends who would happily do the Skinhead Moonstomp on a militant homophobe's neck until they choked to death on their own blood...

Not that I'd advocate such action, of course:rolleyes:

Dude, honestly I'm sorry if I offended anyone here... I'm just waiting for lunch and talking mostly out of my bum. I thought it'd be funny to make fun of someone who decried people making fun of other people. It's silly and I didn't think it'd be taken as anything but. Sorry Penguin, if I have offended.

Ok, I'm 16 years old, I was home schooled and I'm officially a high school graduate. My father is an emotionally abusive, clinically paranoid, domineering, narcissistic postal worker who also happens to be a consummate materialist with no conscience... He cares more about the cost of a piece of antique furniture then the wellbeing of his wife and children. I've spent the last seven years of my life doing manual labor on a "family renovation project" that has chewed up thousands of dollars and has been the center point of my life and that of my two brothers. My father refuses to morgage it or hire professionals to finish it... It's just there, eating up money and consuming all our lives. I have extremely little of what a normal teenager would call a "life." I live on a day-to-day basis carefully choosing every word I speak because my father is so paranoid and insecure that even a tone inflection can be read as disrespect and cause a calculated outburst of rage.

To say that I am not "understood" by my family would be simultaneously true and a misnomer. No one here has any idea who I really am, what my motivations and interests are, or the depth of understanding I have for my situation. This is the case because I don't let them, my day to day life is a carefully and methodically designed pretense intended to preserve a tolerable status quo.

I am perfectly aware that teenagers have likely committed suicide because of conditions far more bearable then what I deal with on a daily basis, I know that the vast majority of "emo" kids live in the lap of luxury compared to this, and that families have ended in divorce long before scratching the extend to the emotional abuse my mother endured over the years... Yet, I'm not even close to being "emo" or any other degenerate sub-culture. I don't whine about it, I don't allow myself to be depressed or defeated by it, I won't look back in anger towards this life, I don't resent being home schooled or forced to work, and I've come to a type of appreciation for my father. He taught me exactly how NOT to live my life and that is something I will understand for the rest of my life.

Flight to Germany? We don't have vacations. Gay boyfriend? My (and my brother's) relationships have been manipulated or outright destroyed by my father... He viewed them as being part of "our own agendas" that where "not devoted to this family." Another odd quark of his, when he refers to "this family" he refers solely to himself, almost a Louis-esque declaration akin to "I am the state." Then again, he is an outright misogynist so he may have actually preferred a gay boyfriend...

Long story short, these kids are pathetic. They're the unrefined epitome of selfishness, apathy, materialistic indulgence, and ungrateful resentment. They have no backbone, no emotional depth or maturity (ironically enough), and no real concept of hardship. That is all.


Ah, there is hope after all...

Ok, I'm 16 years old, I was home schooled and I'm officially a high school graduate. My father is an emotionally abusive, clinically paranoid, domineering, narcissistic postal worker who also happens to be a consummate materialist with no conscience... He cares more about the cost of a piece of antique furniture then the wellbeing of his wife and children. I've spent the last seven years of my life doing manual labor on a "family renovation project" that has chewed up thousands of dollars and has been the center point of my life and that of my two brothers. My father refuses to morgage it or hire professionals to finish it... It's just there, eating up money and consuming all our lives. I have extremely little of what a normal teenager would call a "life." I live on a day-to-day basis carefully choosing every word I speak because my father is so paranoid and insecure that even a tone inflection can be read as disrespect and cause a calculated outburst of rage.

To say that I am not "understood" by my family would be simultaneously true and a misnomer. No one here has any idea who I really am, what my motivations and interests are, or the depth of understanding I have for my situation. This is the case because I don't let them, my day to day life is a carefully and methodically designed pretense intended to preserve a tolerable status quo.

I am perfectly aware that teenagers have likely committed suicide because of conditions far more bearable then what I deal with on a daily basis, I know that the vast majority of "emo" kids live in the lap of luxury compared to this, and that families have ended in divorce long before scratching the extend to the emotional abuse my mother endured over the years... Yet, I'm not even close to being "emo" or any other degenerate sub-culture. I don't whine about it, I don't allow myself to be depressed or defeated by it, I won't look back in anger towards this life, I don't resent being home schooled or forced to work, and I've come to a type of appreciation for my father. He taught me exactly how NOT to live my life and that is something I will understand for the rest of my life.

Flight to Germany? We don't have vacations. Gay boyfriend? My (and my brother's) relationships have been manipulated or outright destroyed by my father... He viewed them as being part of "our own agendas" that where "not devoted to this family." Another odd quark of his, when he refers to "this family" he refers solely to himself, almost a Louis-esque declaration akin to "I am the state." Then again, he is an outright misogynist so he may have actually preferred a gay boyfriend...

Long story short, these kids are pathetic. They're the unrefined epitome of selfishness, apathy, materialistic indulgence, and ungrateful resentment. They have no backbone, no emotional depth or maturity (ironically enough), and no real concept of hardship. That is all.
You're remarkably perceptive for your age, but you might consider being a bit more forgiving of your father. If you think your own childhood has been hard, try to imagine the sort of childhood which would produce the sort of person you say your father is.

Now waitaminute. Penguin's having a rough day. I suspect that he or she is not quite as one-dimensional as their posts make them appear to be.

The fact that Penguin appears to be taking MY posts in this thread seriously is a sign that he or she got a nerve rubbed raw by something posted earlier on...
... or perhaps by an overall tone to the thread. The persistent yet elusive recurrent chorus of "emotional=weak=fa99ot=worthless", perhaps?

'Cause that kind of idiocy bothers me, too.

I just chimed in on the "misunderstanding what Emo Music is", to be a Music Ayatollah. And to proudly trumpet my dork-knowledge of obscure punk/hardcore trivia.

As for the genius with the "bunch of gays the lot of them!" commentary...

I'm SURE you are being lighthearted.;) If not, I got a few gay friends who would happily do the Skinhead Moonstomp on a militant homophobe's neck until they choked to death on their own blood...

Not that I'd advocate such action, of course:rolleyes:

actually I'm having a good day, except for some idiots in another topic I'm talking in, I don't have a reason to complain :)

I actually didn't take that insult seriously, what I meant by the insult being worse was that it was lamer then myself... I just don't know how to do that tongue symbol that he did, since no smilies appear on my screen when I post <_<

Ok, I'm 16 years old, I was home schooled and I'm officially a high school graduate. My father is an emotionally abusive, clinically paranoid, domineering, narcissistic postal worker who also happens to be a consummate materialist with no conscience... He cares more about the cost of a piece of antique furniture then the wellbeing of his wife and children. I've spent the last seven years of my life doing manual labor on a "family renovation project" that has chewed up thousands of dollars and has been the center point of my life and that of my two brothers. My father refuses to morgage it or hire professionals to finish it... It's just there, eating up money and consuming all our lives. I have extremely little of what a normal teenager would call a "life." I live on a day-to-day basis carefully choosing every word I speak because my father is so paranoid and insecure that even a tone inflection can be read as disrespect and cause a calculated outburst of rage.

To say that I am not "understood" by my family would be simultaneously true and a misnomer. No one here has any idea who I really am, what my motivations and interests are, or the depth of understanding I have for my situation. This is the case because I don't let them, my day to day life is a carefully and methodically designed pretense intended to preserve a tolerable status quo.

I am perfectly aware that teenagers have likely committed suicide because of conditions far more bearable then what I deal with on a daily basis, I know that the vast majority of "emo" kids live in the lap of luxury compared to this, and that families have ended in divorce long before scratching the extend to the emotional abuse my mother endured over the years... Yet, I'm not even close to being "emo" or any other degenerate sub-culture. I don't whine about it, I don't allow myself to be depressed or defeated by it, I won't look back in anger towards this life, I don't resent being home schooled or forced to work, and I've come to a type of appreciation for my father. He taught me exactly how NOT to live my life and that is something I will understand for the rest of my life.

Flight to Germany? We don't have vacations. Gay boyfriend? My (and my brother's) relationships have been manipulated or outright destroyed by my father... He viewed them as being part of "our own agendas" that where "not devoted to this family." Another odd quark of his, when he refers to "this family" he refers solely to himself, almost a Louis-esque declaration akin to "I am the state." Then again, he is an outright misogynist so he may have actually preferred a gay boyfriend...

Long story short, these kids are pathetic. They're the unrefined epitome of selfishness, apathy, materialistic indulgence, and ungrateful resentment. They have no backbone, no emotional depth or maturity (ironically enough), and no real concept of hardship. That is all.

Whilst I can pity your situation, and feel considerable sympathy, I must also refute your assertions.

Quite frankly, your situation constitutes, assuming it is veracitous, an anomolous tragedy, and thus beyond the ken or anticipation of general society.

One can accept that the self-indulgent fallacy that constitutes your father may well have rendered your perceptions of self and materialism a little subjective, and thus your observations regarding "emo" are flawed. Indeed, the predication that the presence of those worse off renders one unable to lament is unteneble, and thus similarly flawed.

Incidentally, I rather believe that to your perceptions, I may well appear "emo", despite my being simply towards the more delicate end of alternative. I may well be materialistic, self indulgent, self pitying and resentful, however it is motivated by the presence of those around me whose situation surpasses mine, and my personal insecurities.

You're remarkably perceptive for your age, but you might consider being a bit more forgiving of your father. If you think your own childhood has been hard, try to imagine the sort of childhood which would produce the sort of person you say your father is.

I am forgiving; I have no intention of bearing any resentment or anger towards him once I move on with my life because he is responsible for the person that I have become... Granted, only by negative example. I'm more or less incapable of holding grudges of any kind against anyone; I'm a very empathetic person any those kind of negative feelings would devastate me over lengths of time. The only reason I'm NOT clinically depressed is because I can forgive his daily transgressions and move on with my life.

That, however, does not keep me from calling a spade a spade. His idea of fatherly advice basically extended to trying to train us to be manipulative womanizers and hustlers.

As for his childhood, a little off the mark. I grew up spending a lot of time with my grandparents and they are most certainly NOT the culprits, they're good people through and through and from what I gleaned from stories of his youth he apparently had a helluva good time. Of course, there are certain events in his life (at least that I'm aware of) that could have contributed to his mind frame... He was in the Air force doing intelligence work during the Cold War complete with Top Secret clearance nearly on par with the President (that has got to be stressful), he lost the vast majority of his money in the stock market crash (he views money as the all/end all of personal accomplishment, this hit hard), he was ripped off my his fiancée (the one before my mother) hence is misogynistic views... It goes on in that vein. I'm well aware that he must have reasons for the way he is, that still isn't an excuse.

(puts on red leotard and picks up a pitchfork)

Ah, emos aren't that bad. Few of my friends are emos and they're quite funny. They never really whine per say but they just listen to whiny music. The music isn't that bad either to tell you the truth I like My Chemical Romance, and Taking Back Sunday... well not really. I like the last band because they have an obese rhythm guitarist and in the music video he's trying hard to rock out, and is failing.

Though I have used emo as an insult, but not towards people but towards the music. Punk doesn't work because it's too polished, and pop punk doesn't work because well, it's not well, it doesn't have that feel.

(takes off red leotard and drops pitchfork)

But now my complaints. Each band is starting to sound alike, with that nasal voice thing. And then the overuse of the echo, the strange music videos, the strange names (you can tell they're emo by their names darn it!) and well ya. So it'll die, soon enough.

But what's next? Well either a neo classic rock bands taking over or more punk. I think it's the former since we've had punk influenced rock since the 90s at the forefront, and well, I need man rock, the kinda rock that grabs you the balls and make you go WTF!

So now here are three groups that I like very much:

Dragonforce: Iron Maiden on speed, they make Metallica go WTF

The Presets: Two guys, keyboards and drum kit, weird electronic music, awesome videos.

Wolfmother: Power trio, taking it back to the roots with the bluesy rock, and their lead singer has an afro O_o

(goes into off topic mode)

Brits I'm still waiting for the band that will change everything. The 60s it was the Beatles, 70s was... alot, 80s it was Judas Priest and Iron Maiden, 90s was Radiohead... you're a bit late dear, now make us an uber band and export it here!

Do it now! Do it now!

(leaves thread, for now)

Whilst I can pity your situation, and feel considerable sympathy, I must also refute your assertions.

Quite frankly, your situation constitutes, assuming it is veracitous, an anomolous tragedy, and thus beyond the ken or anticipation of general society.

One can accept that the self-indulgent fallacy that constitutes your father may well have rendered your perceptions of self and materialism a little subjective, and thus your observations regarding "emo" are flawed. Indeed, the predication that the presence of those worse off renders one unable to lament is unteneble, and thus similarly flawed.

Incidentally, I rather believe that to your perceptions, I may well appear "emo", despite my being simply towards the more delicate end of alternative. I may well be materialistic, self indulgent, self pitying and resentful, however it is motivated by the presence of those around me whose situation surpasses mine, and my personal insecurities.

I am aware that my circumstances are... exceptional, as the case may be. At least I dearly hope it is. Regardless of that, general society is certainly put in a more pure perspective given both my experience with an extreme of it and my "outside in" view of culture, specifically teenage culture. More over, I harbor no remarkable feelings against material worth in general... Merely on individual dependence on it. I feel that it is the person who defines the value of their possessions, achievements, and advantages and selfishness and excessive indulgence are drawn from that. Ultimately, I have no problem with materialistic pursuits, and frankly, I quite enjoy them when given the opportunity, but I do have a problem with the lack responsibility, appreciation, and understanding that goes with it.

I believe in duality and balance in all things. As the old saying goes, "Virtue is the mean of two vices," the Golden Mean... In this case, if materialism is the vice then appreciation is the virtue. The mean is fine by me.

I look at the “emo” sub-culture and I see something that glorifies selfishness, immaturity, dependence, and indulgence with no saving grace of any kind.

Not to downplay the more serious posts above, but there really is a very simple solution to the hype that is emo.

Let parents think it's cool, have specials on mtv about emo-parents rocking out with their kids at emo-concerts... As soon as the mtv and popular media-guided emos see this, they'll cry; "Oh no, they've destroyed the sadness and parent-hate aspects of it, let us never be emos again!", or simply put; "Wow, emo sure has become lame"

j/k, almost....

Anyway, I think it'll burn out on itself after a while... No one can whine for ever right? right?

uhm...

I liked the video to "Just", and the video to "Street Spirit". But - in general, to LISTEN to (which, I think you are [i]supposed to, with bands, right?) they are like a divebar REM-cover-band, without the enigmatic charms or velvetty tones of Mr Stipe.

My personal opinion, obviously.


no. just, no. Radiohead is one of the relatively few bands from the last 20 years I enjoy. I've been to a couple of gigs - 3 in fact - and they were dynamite. don't get me wrong; I grew up on early r'n'r and hard rock and that's still home for me. but Radiohead give me such a buzz.

and by the way, they aren't emo.

as for comparisons with REM, well, you need to get out more. :p

Man, I wish my parents hated me enough when I was a teen to pay for a vacation in Germany.
Obviously I didn't whine enough about how no-one understood me.

Instead I had the joys of a 3 day car trip to my grandparents most summers stuck in the middle of the back seat between my two older brothers who would play the 'car colour' game. Except their rules were a blue car meant brother-on-the-left could punch me on the shoulder and a red car meant brother-on-the-right could do the honours.

you should have claimed all the other colors for when you could punch them both. you might have gotten tired fast, but they'd have gotten dead-arm even faster.

As a Teen, who falls somewhere between the Nerd/Jock category, I declare that Emo's are in fact douchebags. One of my old friends "became" one and now she's just an angsty douchey bitch; I would have prefered she turned to Scientology.

okay, so the angsty douchey bitch part gets old fast, but don't wish $cientology on her. nobody deserves that.

but I gotta ask, how does anybody 'become' an emo? to me emos look like their suffering from some weird mental disorder combined with all-purpose prissiness. deliberately 'becoming' an emo must be like standing in front of the bathroom mirror and performing a do-it-yourself lobotomy through your eye socket.

except that's stereotyping, and not every single person who is Emo is like that.


uh-oh, as you're saying that, do I detect a whine in your voice? :D

Ya know, emo is just yet another subgenre of yet another type of music, which I don't enjoy but I also think is more or less the same as any of you peoples favorite music genres.

THe term has gotten hijacked to mean "any whiny teenagers I find annoying."

Its especially prevalent on the internet, and has become yet another annoying internet thing like "Chuck Norris" or "All your base are belong to us." Frankly, people ranting about "emo" kids is more annoying than these largely mythical "emo" kids themselves!

no. just, no. Radiohead is one of the relatively few bands from the last 20 years I enjoy. I've been to a couple of gigs - 3 in fact - and they were dynamite. don't get me wrong; I grew up on early r'n'r and hard rock and that's still home for me. but Radiohead give me such a buzz.

and by the way, they aren't emo.

as for comparisons with REM, well, you need to get out more. :p

radiohead are uber un-emo! cant believe those kids could be so pretentious.

Haha, people who stereotype make me laugh, pathetic.

But, without Emos, who would I make fun of?
nothing more can be said about furries.
zentai is just too weird to comment on.
and practically everything else is protected by social pressures.


how about country music? you know, that hee-haw, plastic city-cowboy, rhinestone-glittering line-dance stomping, IQ-of-85, whining, bitching, pissing, moaning, bellyaching, 'oh-poor-me' crying, 'I'm-drunk-'cuz-I'm-lonely' tearful beer-diluting soap-opera-in-a-song crap, sung by losers about losing so other losers don't feel so bad about being losers too? THAT country music.

you can start making fun of them. I've been at it for almost 50 years and I haven't even come close to running out of ideas yet...





(and if that doesn't provoke any all-out attacks I'll be surprised, but in case it does, take it with a pinch, folks. and use your big set of fingers.)

I hate emo kids. They're just looking for attention.

Want to be non-conformist? Don't conform to the goddamn Emo sub-culture and be yourself. It's worked for me for 20 years.

Ok, I'm 16 years old, I was home schooled and I'm officially a high school graduate. My father is an emotionally abusive, clinically paranoid, domineering, narcissistic postal worker who also happens to be a consummate materialist with no conscience... He cares more about the cost of a piece of antique furniture then the wellbeing of his wife and children. I've spent the last seven years of my life doing manual labor on a "family renovation project" that has chewed up thousands of dollars and has been the center point of my life and that of my two brothers. My father refuses to morgage it or hire professionals to finish it... It's just there, eating up money and consuming all our lives. I have extremely little of what a normal teenager would call a "life." I live on a day-to-day basis carefully choosing every word I speak because my father is so paranoid and insecure that even a tone inflection can be read as disrespect and cause a calculated outburst of rage.

To say that I am not "understood" by my family would be simultaneously true and a misnomer. No one here has any idea who I really am, what my motivations and interests are, or the depth of understanding I have for my situation. This is the case because I don't let them, my day to day life is a carefully and methodically designed pretense intended to preserve a tolerable status quo.

I am perfectly aware that teenagers have likely committed suicide because of conditions far more bearable then what I deal with on a daily basis, I know that the vast majority of "emo" kids live in the lap of luxury compared to this, and that families have ended in divorce long before scratching the extend to the emotional abuse my mother endured over the years... Yet, I'm not even close to being "emo" or any other degenerate sub-culture. I don't whine about it, I don't allow myself to be depressed or defeated by it, I won't look back in anger towards this life, I don't resent being home schooled or forced to work, and I've come to a type of appreciation for my father. He taught me exactly how NOT to live my life and that is something I will understand for the rest of my life.

Flight to Germany? We don't have vacations. Gay boyfriend? My (and my brother's) relationships have been manipulated or outright destroyed by my father... He viewed them as being part of "our own agendas" that where "not devoted to this family." Another odd quark of his, when he refers to "this family" he refers solely to himself, almost a Louis-esque declaration akin to "I am the state." Then again, he is an outright misogynist so he may have actually preferred a gay boyfriend...

Long story short, these kids are pathetic. They're the unrefined epitome of selfishness, apathy, materialistic indulgence, and ungrateful resentment. They have no backbone, no emotional depth or maturity (ironically enough), and no real concept of hardship. That is all.

good on you for holding up dude. but don't get into the trap of despising those emo guys too much - a little is good for them and you, but not too much ;) - a lot of them may not know what really bad problems can be, and you do. you have a measuring stick that gives you perspective. maybe they don't.

a crazy parent or 2 can make you strong as well as scar you. heal the scars and hang onto the strength. I wish you well. I wish you peace.

You're remarkably perceptive for your age, but you might consider being a bit more forgiving of your father. If you think your own childhood has been hard, try to imagine the sort of childhood which would produce the sort of person you say your father is.


what he said.

consider it a PS to what I said.

I'm an emo-preppy-gothic-star trek-nerdy band geek. :D

Not to downplay the more serious posts above, but there really is a very simple solution to the hype that is emo.

Let parents think it's cool, have specials on mtv about emo-parents rocking out with their kids at emo-concerts... As soon as the mtv and popular media-guided emos see this, they'll cry; "Oh no, they've destroyed the sadness and parent-hate aspects of it, let us never be emos again!", or simply put; "Wow, emo sure has become lame"

I really like this idea. gigs full of parents going, 'my kids hate me, they're ungrateful of how hard I try, they take all my money but then they won't even talk to me, they treat the house like a hotel, they never appreciate anything i do for them, they don't understand me ...."

hey wow! I just realized, parents have almost been there for the last 50 years and didn't even know it! my folks could have been some of the first emos if only they'd known how to go the whole way! so, emos are just copying their parents but taking it too far. they should be called 'emus' for 'emulators'.

anyway, I like this. it could turn into a big whiney shoot-out at some emo-gig, a gun fight at the emo corral. everybody could have a moment of realization at what they sound like, say, 'crap! I sound like that?' and get back to something more constructive - like surfing.



Anyway, I think it'll burn out on itself after a while... No one can whine for ever right? right?

wrong:
'this is the way the world ends,
not with a bang but a whimper.'
- TS Eliot

these emos are gonna kill us! :D

radiohead are uber un-emo! cant believe those kids could be so pretentious.


exactly. you just have to listen to a lyric like
'You do it to yourself, you do
And that's what really hurts
Is that you do it to yourself
Just you and no-one else
You do it to yourself
You do it to yourself'

to know how emo Radiohead is.

No one can whine for ever right? right?

uhm...

Um... look at the Democratic party in America! ;)
...........................................................

Sorry, I saw this and just had to grab the ball and run with it!
Anyhoo, yeah seriously, emos get on my nerves!
They act all whiney and complain about every damn thing, even how they couldnt kill themselves by cutting themselves!! Jeeze, just come by me, I'll fix that!

whoa, people. i just looked at this thread and realized I'm like, cranked. really cranked. I think I need to get some air and walk this off, or swim some more, or something.

XD!!!! Well of course we should stop rape XD (yes I know you were joking)

but I agree, especially with the rap part. Most rap nowadays has gotten out of hand. People are using it to say horrible things in their lyrics, heck, even hip hop is. That right there is the first on the list!

Our first one to go after: Eminem.hey! back off! Eminem is WAY better than, say, 50 Cent or Nelly.

woah...i totally just realized how that could be taken as severly racist, and let me assure you, that i certainly did not mean it that way.

and not all rap is bad.

<33

So it'll die, soon enough.

But what's next? Well either a neo classic rock bands taking over...
awww i read that as "neo-classical rock..." and got all excited at the prospect of seeing yngwie malmsteem and cacophony at the top of the charts all of a sudden :p


Brits I'm still waiting for the band that will change everything. The 60s it was the Beatles, 70s was... alot, 80s it was Judas Priest and Iron Maiden, 90s was Radiohead... you're a bit late dear, now make us an uber band and export it here!

you can have pitchshifter's unique blend of political punk, thrash, industrial and drum & bass... www.pitchshifter.com :cool:

I've never had the "pleasure" of encountering any "emo kids," but I'm sure I would find them amusing. ;)
You would hate them.

Oh dear. What's this I see? People, whining to other people, about encountering whiners? Say it ain't so.

Look around. This right here? Could be an emo thread. Subsitute every use of 'emo' for 'jock' and 'goth' for 'prep', and you've got it. Good on you. I hereby declare you all honorary emos. You can come collect your pins tomorrow at midnight, where there will be a death-poetry reading and group suicide for those who choose to participate.

Me? No, no, I'm already emo. Or something close to it, anyway. Officially, I'm a 'floater', one of a select group of teenagers who moves from social group to social group without missing a beat in an attempt to institute world peace, or at least make friends with enough people that we don't get beat up. My specialization is emos and goths, with a side-helping of bastards. Don't let that mislead you, I still know just about everyone, in just about every social group (although I might have missed a few kids in the Computer Geeks class, but that's because they speak completely in jargon, and I need to find a translator before making a serious attempt).

Anyhow, my point (I had a point? My <i>god</i>, I can't believe I had a point... before I lost it somewhere...) was that this thread is a bit of a waste. An emo kid, reading this thread, is only going to become more emo. A goth kid, reading this thread, is going to send you hate mail. A bastard, reading this thread, is going to find out where you live and personally kick your ass. Just let it go. There will always be people in the world. You can't change them, and complaining about them is only going to increase the degree of separation between you and them. I know, that probably seems like a decent prospect, but in the long term it isn't a good thing. Either learn to live with people or become a hermit, but don't subject the rest of us to your bitterness.

And... that is all. Yay.

Oh dear. What's this I see? People, whining to other people, about encountering whiners? Say it ain't so.

Look around. This right here? Could be an emo thread. Subsitute every use of 'emo' for 'jock' and 'goth' for 'prep', and you've got it. Good on you. I hereby declare you all honorary emos. You can come collect your pins tomorrow at midnight, where there will be a death-poetry reading and group suicide for those who choose to participate.

Me? No, no, I'm already emo. Or something close to it, anyway. Officially, I'm a 'floater', one of a select group of teenagers who moves from social group to social group without missing a beat in an attempt to institute world peace, or at least make friends with enough people that we don't get beat up. My specialization is emos and goths, with a side-helping of bastards. Don't let that mislead you, I still know just about everyone, in just about every social group (although I might have missed a few kids in the Computer Geeks class, but that's because they speak completely in jargon, and I need to find a translator before making a serious attempt).

Anyhow, my point (I had a point? My <i>god</i>, I can't believe I had a point... before I lost it somewhere...) was that this thread is a bit of a waste. An emo kid, reading this thread, is only going to become more emo. A goth kid, reading this thread, is going to send you hate mail. A bastard, reading this thread, is going to find out where you live and personally kick your ass. Just let it go. There will always be people in the world. You can't change them, and complaining about them is only going to increase the degree of separation between you and them. I know, that probably seems like a decent prospect, but in the long term it isn't a good thing. Either learn to live with people or become a hermit, but don't subject the rest of us to your bitterness.

And... that is all. Yay.
Amen. Where's my hymn book?

Goth is good. Emo is an annoying teenage and inaccurate immitation of Goth.

exactly. you just have to listen to a lyric like
'You do it to yourself, you do
And that's what really hurts
Is that you do it to yourself
Just you and no-one else
You do it to yourself
You do it to yourself'

to know how emo Radiohead is.


Except emo bands have lyrics like:

"like anywhere else there are no
coincidences, probability makes for
accomplices and change creates meaning."

when we move, it's a movement.

Or maybe even:

From up here the Pacific looks like fire and things to come. I'm a steel rocket; I am a human bomb. They say we'll be gods..thunder, divine. But surely we'll only be history--literal and poignative; stuck in time and out of time. I'm sending fingernails and locks of hair. I'm falling sky; I'm screaming air. Oh, be at peace as I break into pieces for you. The end of me; a fiery blossom for you. Lover, are you looking outside? Because before I die I'll draw a heart in the sky. The enemy floats right beneath my eyes and his little black powder puffs pop and polka-dot the sky. Reason would have me lift up into the clouds and hide, but you make me mad, make me forget how to fly. Oh! Lover, do you ever wonder why when we were on the ground heaven never seemed so high?

Both of those are full songs, alot of emo bands, especially from the "emoviolence" (emo meets powerviolence) side of the genre tend to have 30-90 second songs.

He's a freak because he is a typical teenager who is angsty towards his parents? Or because he has a boyfriend...?

Or because his parents bought him a trip to Europe so that he could bad mouth them while availing himself of their misplaced generosity.

Yeah. Maybe that was it.

It's our fault. Emo is an extension of Goth and we invtented Goth.
I don't know...watch Rebel Without a Cause "You're tearin' me apart!"

Even complete with ambigious unresolved gay love interest (Plato). And James Dean is the standard of teen sex symbol for generations. We've been refining this for decades.

"like anywhere else there are no
coincidences, probability makes for
accomplices and change creates meaning."

when we move, it's a movement.



No... Really? Redundancy for the win!

---
To the topic at hand:

Meh... Emos don't bother me. Most of them are better than that. I'm more annoyed by people who trumpet around internet forums bitching about Emos (is this an inferiority complex, guys?). Jocks, Preps, and that lot annoy me significantly more than your average emo.

Emos are goths without the balls to even try suicide.

Fucking rich kids.

I'm really old and I have this advice for anyone under 30:
If you find yourself blaming your parents for something, it's you, not them. No really, it's all you.

If anything emo is to DC hardcore, as goth is to punk.

Blame Fugazi.

What the fuck do Radiohead have to do with emo, it was around for 10 years (1984) before Radiohead had a single. And, Brit-Pop also has nothing to do with hardcore or emo. :)

Yeah... but .. they are Radiohead. And thus, logically, must be blamed.

For everything.

Or because his parents bought him a trip to Europe so that he could bad mouth them while availing himself of their misplaced generosity.

Yeah. Maybe that was it.

Exactly.

I was behind some of these emo kids in Atlanta airport a week ago Sunday at the Chilis. These emo kids were on their way to Germany for the summer and all they talked about was how their parents "just didn't care about their problems".

After hearing about how the only good thing this kid's parents ever did for him was buy him AND his boyfriend tickets and hotel rooms, I just had to leave. It was either that or a freak gets tossed to the ramp at ATL...

Ohh shit,

Listen it is very fuckin' easy. The clue is in the word kids. When we reach a certian age(the teen years) our brains do funny shit to us, and typical teenage behaviour happens.
Remeber back to your own teenage angst, and just let them get on with it, you know belive it or not, they wil grow out of it. Or perhaps (in casethere are teenagers here) it is more proper to say that as their brians get fully devleoped, they will leave behind their teenage angst.

Man at the end of the day it is all normal behavoiur, I just don't understand thei hatred for our teenagers, what have you forgotten what you where like at that age?

Leave them alone, let them get on with it.

no. just, no. Radiohead is one of the relatively few bands from the last 20 years I enjoy. I've been to a couple of gigs - 3 in fact - and they were dynamite. don't get me wrong; I grew up on early r'n'r and hard rock and that's still home for me. but Radiohead give me such a buzz.

and by the way, they aren't emo.

as for comparisons with REM, well, you need to get out more. :p

Harsh, man.

You honestly see no comparison with REM? And - not a flattering comparison, at that?

Ah well - there is no accounting for perception. To me - they are generally tolerable, but nothing especially worthwhile. Certainly not anything to engender the kind of 'true-believer' worship I've seen.

Perhaps I'd be more excited if I'd seen them live? Perhaps.

I'm more likely to be excited by a new Ministry side project...

Emos are goths without the balls to even try suicide.


Already been established this is wrong... there is no connection between the two sub-cultures, except a willingness to sing about something deeper than wanting to 'bone someone', a lack of fear of certain 'taboo' cultural images, and a general equalitarian approach to people that often fails to make it into the mainstream.

Not all goths are suicidal - indeed, you completely misunderstand goths, if you think suicide is a real interest (to most - I'm not saying there are not wannabees who have missed the point). Even Traditional Goth is more about dealing with pain, than about sacrificing oneself to it - and 'Uber' and 'Perky' goths are positively life-affirming.


Fucking rich kids.


From out of nowhere, much?


I'm really old and I have this advice for anyone under 30:
If you find yourself blaming your parents for something, it's you, not them. No really, it's all you.

No. In some cases, maybe. In a lot of cases, maybe. In every case? Bullshit. Some parents don't deserve to BE parents... and you basically absolve them of all guilt with this kind of flippant response.

Or because his parents bought him a trip to Europe so that he could bad mouth them while availing himself of their misplaced generosity.

Yeah. Maybe that was it.


Naa he's fuckin teenager going through the normal teenage shit, man how many times, it's normal, it's just sooooo normal I don't understand what the stink is about?

Ohh shit,

Listen it is very fuckin' easy. The clue is in the word kids. When we reach a certian age(the teen years) our brains do funny shit to us, and typical teenage behaviour happens.
Remeber back to your own teenage angst, and just let them get on with it, you know belive it or not, they wil grow out of it. Or perhaps (in casethere are teenagers here) it is more proper to say that as their brians get fully devleoped, they will leave behind their teenage angst.

Man at the end of the day it is all normal behavoiur, I just don't understand thei hatred for our teenagers, what have you forgotten what you where like at that age?

Leave them alone, let them get on with it.


Umm... I never had teen angst. Call me a mutant...

I had to IMDb the Rebel Without a Cause quote to check it and I found that it's more than I remember. To complain about emo is to ignore the pattern that has existed for a while:
Jim Stark: Is this where you live?
Judy: Who lives?

Jim Stark: Hey they forgot to wind the sundial.

Jim Stark: You're tearing me apart!

Buzz Gunderson: You know something? I like you.
Jim Stark: Why do we do this?
Buzz Gunderson: You've gotta do something. Don't you?

Jim Stark: Nobody talks to children.
Judy: No, they just tell them.

[Looking up at stars in a planetarium]
Jim Stark: Once you been up there you know you've been someplace.

Jim Stark: You know something? You read too many comic books.

Jim Stark: I'll bet you'd go to a hanging.
Plato: I guess it's just my morbid personality.

Plato: Do you think the end of the world will come at night time?
Jim Stark: Uh-uh, at dawn.

Jim Stark: You can wake up now, the universe has ended.

Frank Stark: I wouldn't make a hasty decision. Nobody can make a snap decision. We've got to consider the pros and cons, make a list, get advice... Have I ever stopped you from doing anything?

Plato: If only you could'a been my dad. We could have breakfast in the morning.

Jim Stark: I've got the bullets!

Judy: All my life, I've been? I've been waiting for someone to love me, and now I love someone. And it's so easy. Why is it so easy now?
Jim Stark: I don't know; it is for me, too.
Judy: I love you, Jim. I really mean it.
Jim Stark: Well, I mean it...

Jim Stark: I don't know what to do anymore. Except maybe die.

Jim Stark: If I had one day when I didn't have to be all confused and I didn't have to feel that I was ashamed of everything. If I felt that I belonged someplace. You know?

Jim Stark: If he had guts to knock Mom cold once, then maybe she'd be happy and then she'd stop picking on him. Because they make mush out of him! Just mush!

Police Chief: Why did you shoot those puppies, John?

Jim Stark: [walks down the stairs and into the empty pool] Ah, an underground nursery

Crawford family maid: You're shivering John. Are you cold?
Jim Stark: [Gets up from his seat and takes his jacket off] You want my jacket?

Frank Stark: Come on Jim, stand up... I'll stand up with you... I'll try to be as brave and strong as you want me to be

Buzz Gunderson: What's that?
Judy: That's a new disease.

Emos are goths without the balls to even try suicide.

Fucking rich kids.

I'm really old and I have this advice for anyone under 30:
If you find yourself blaming your parents for something, it's you, not them. No really, it's all you.

Are you over 30 then? Really, and you sound just like one of these kids your slagging off. Use your brain, remeber what you where like at that age. Shit what a bunch of fuckin' morons. Man you know your Dad, you remeber how well you got on with him when you where like 15-19 say, well thats you that is, fuck no matter how many times you promised yourself growing up that you wouldnt be like your Dad, well you know what you fuckin' are!

Everyone gets depressed.
But a person depressed every hour of every day?
What the fuck?

Everyone gets depressed.
But a person depressed every hour of every day?
What the fuck?

Yeah like I just said twice, they are called teenagers.

Really man think back to your teenage years, and answer this one question.

Would you like to live them again?
I wouldn't they where shit.

Yeah like I just said twice, they are called teenagers.

Really man think back to your teenage years, and answer this one question.

Would you like to live them again?
I wouldn't they where shit.

I am sixteen.

I am sixteen.


Haha then I truely feel sorry for you, and I guess then that your teenage ansgt takes a different outlet. I mean a differant sort of music.

The thing is, at that age peer presure is also a big thing, and also the whole thing with people that are not into the same sorta stuff as you being regarded as weird. The truth of the matter is they feel the same, they are going through the same stuff, they just choose to express them selves in a differant way, listen to differant music, ware differant cloths.

Teenagers are teenagers be they rock, goth, emo,chav, black, white, indian, tall, short, girl, boy, fat, slim, same shit differant day.

It's all in the damn Hormones.

I'm going to assume things about people to piss you off... merely because I think it'd be fun. :D I assume from the anger in your message you are probably wearing a black article of clothing, you have dyed hair and are under the age of 18.

I'm not going to justify myself to you, obviously, because it doesn't really matter. What matters is that people educate themselves to find out exactly what it is they're insulting, before they insult it. Yeah, I'm pretty pissed off at the ignorance of others in the world, comments like "0h u must b 3m0 if u w3ar bl@ck cl0th3s & dy3 ur h@ir. LOL." yo, n00b, my 70 year old grandma wears black clothes & dyes her hair. That make her "emo"? hell, your mother probably dyes her hair & wears black. Yeah, sure, she's not under the age of 18, but saying that only kids under 18 in black clothes is just plain ignorant, dude. Cause now not only are you insulting a subgenre of pretty rad music, you're targetting an age group. Plain old just not cool.

Peaceout.

Not every teenager has it bad:rolleyes:

Shit, I loved my teenage years, best there ever was and I didn't have shit.

One, I'm fifteen, and being a teenager is the best part of my life. My childhood was somewhat lacking.
Two, I may be emo, but I'm not depressed every second of every day. I just stay depressed until made happy. It's my natural state of being.
Three, not all emos are against their parents. I find more complaints with people who think they're cool than the people that I live with.
Four; I don't listen to that music you call emo music. Don't be stereotypical. You all complain about bashing Muslims and you know what? You're here bashing emos too.

Everyone gets depressed.
Actually, what most people consider 'depression' is just a bad mood, a touch of unhappiness that won't last long, and is probably related to an recent event in life. It's an inaccurate term.

But a person depressed every hour of every day?
What the fu?

Oh yeah. That was smart. Ever heard of 'clinical depression' my friend? Fuck, y'ever heard of 'bi-polar disorder'?

Lemme 'splain. No, lemme sum up.

Major Depression Disorder with Melancholic Features is the most accurate portrayal of the type of depression you are most likely referring to, from the subject of this thread. To be diagnosed with this disorder, a person must have experienced the symptoms for more than two weeks. And I can tell you from personal experience that when one is depressed in a clinical way, nothing looks good. Not even death looks good. Your favorite subjects are suddenly pointless and irrelevant and a waste of time. Activities you used to enjoy just cease to be worth the effort. My bout lasted for two years, straight through, before the bi-polar surfaced. So yeah. Depressed for every moment of every day is about accurate.

As for Bi-Polar disorder, that's the sudden mood alterations between depression and mania (a state of extreme hyper-activity, often characterized by an inability to concentrate or organize one's thoughts, an inability or lack of desire to sleep, irritability and pressured speech, and delusions of grandeur or invincibility). Now, me, I'm a female rapid-cycler, so my switch from mood to mood can happen inside an hour. That's not very common, though; most persons with bi-polar can go years stuck in one mood, before one day suddenly switching to the other. Again- that can easily be depressed every moment of every day.

Now I'm not saying that every emo-person has a clinical illness, but your statement was false, and I found it rather offensive. And please refer to my previous post for an admonishment against this entire thread.

Yeah... but .. they are Radiohead. And thus, logically, must be blamed.

For everything.

:D Except emo, and world hunger.

uh-oh, as you're saying that, do I detect a whine in your voice? :D

nope. But my stupidity alarms have been going off ever since you made that post...I think you upset their sensors.

And I have my off days, I'll admit it. I'll have days where for some reason, I just can't find a reason to be happy. But doesn't everyone?

Kids being whiny little maggots (thank you, Randy Pan the Goat-Boy) is not Emo, it's kids. You're the mature one, ignore them.

Everyone gets depressed.
But a person depressed every hour of every day?
What the fuck?

that would be..umm.. depression?

So, you're not actually pissed off at emos, you're pissed off at some kid not appreciating what his parents have done for him. Why complain about emos when almost every kid does that?
Because Deep Kimchi doesn't have any brushes in his arsenal that aren't broad. It's like asking a calligrapher to write with a paint sprayer.

Imagine if your parents were understanding enough to pay for your teenage gay boyfriend to go to Germany with you. That seems fairly understanding to me.

On the other hand, maybe it's worth the price of the tickets to get the kid out of the country so you don't have to listen to his crap.
Bingo.

Tell 'im what he's won, Johnny!

This thread holds a faulty premise that an open checkbook=understanding, or that trips to Germany=good parenting or even trips to Germany negates anything else a parent does. If we are to follow the logic all you need to raise a good kid and pat yourself on the back as a parent is send your kid and 'gay boyfriend' to Germany, because if you do then apparently your kid should have nothing to complain about.

Perhaps it's the attitude that a trip to Germany makes everything okay that is the problem and not the ungratefullness of the kid.

I thought the premise of this thread was how irritating emo's were (fundamentaly correct, no matter how you look at it)

This thread holds a faulty premise that an open checkbook=understanding, or that trips to Germany=good parenting or even trips to Germany negates anything else a parent does. If we are to follow the logic all you need to raise a good kid and pat yourself on the back as a parent is send your kid and 'gay boyfriend' to Germany, because if you do then apparently your kid should have nothing to complain about.

Perhaps it's the attitude that a trip to Germany makes everything okay that is the problem and not the ungratefullness of the kid.
I don't think anyone's said that a trip to Germany makes the OP parents good parents. In fact, the consensus seems to be that the parents sprung for Deutschland in order to stop the inanity (as it were). So, avoidance parenting at best. It beats abuse (no pun intended).

Emo or Punk? Well, I think...*eyes roll up into skull*



Who gives a flagellating fuck WHAT a bunch of obnoxious, undereducated, whiny, little teenage maggots put in their crass-consumerist mp3 players? It's gonna suck no matter what genre-splintering, micro- (pico-? femto-? atto-?) market it's aimed at. And then they're gonna buy the clothes that mark them as listeners of said splinter because they think that makes them cool and identifies them as X. Fuck X. X sucks.

"Emo-core"? WTF? Jesus Tapdancing Christ, just call it music and listen to WHATEVER YOU LIKE! Making judgments about other human beings based on what consumer muzak they choose is just plain stupid. Are you going to think Bluegrass or Country is stupid when the guy blaring Toby Keith pulls over to help you change a flat tire or calls 911 if you're hurt?

Listen to what you like and leave anyone else to do the same.



Whoa...eyes rolled up into my head for a second there. What was the topic again?

I thought the premise of this thread was how irritating emo's were (fundamentaly correct, no matter how you look at it)
Well first, I don't think that Deep Kimchi would actually know an Emo kid if there was one dancing in front of him, and second, the cause of the anger seems to stem from this, and I'll leave the emphasis as it is-
After hearing about how the only good thing this kid's parents ever did for him was buy him AND his boyfriend tickets and hotel rooms, I just had to leave. It was either that or a freak gets tossed to the ramp at ATL...
The fact is that the only information we are given is that they complain that thier parents don't care about thier problems and they paid for the trip to Germany, leaving us to draw the conclusion that if you get a trip to Germany your parents are no longer under any obligation to care.

Supported by others, it seems:
Gotta agree with the Dimi... the only type of people who annoy me more, are the collar poping, longboard carrying (not riding), prepie fools who are about as unique and interesting as a carrot. I got my fair share of angst as a teen, but if my parents bought me hotels and tickets to Germany for a few weeks, I wouldn't be downing on them. They should just kill themselves and save everyone from hearing their worthless tirade against their parents.
Probably because the kid wouldn't stop his snivelling and was underappreicative of his parents gesture. I think that's why Deep is peeved.
Man, I wish my parents hated me enough when I was a teen to pay for a vacation in Germany.
Obviously I didn't whine enough about how no-one understood me.

Instead I had the joys of a 3 day car trip to my grandparents most summers stuck in the middle of the back seat between my two older brothers who would play the 'car colour' game. Except their rules were a blue car meant brother-on-the-left could punch me on the shoulder and a red car meant brother-on-the-right could do the honours.
Here we see the direct correlation between understanding and plane tickets:
Imagine if your parents were understanding enough to pay for your teenage gay boyfriend to go to Germany with you. That seems fairly understanding to me.

On the other hand, maybe it's worth the price of the tickets to get the kid out of the country so you don't have to listen to his crap.
And that's just the first three pages.

"Emo-core"? WTF? Jesus Tapdancing Christ, just call it music and listen to WHATEVER YOU LIKE! Making judgments about other human beings based on what consumer muzak they choose is just plain stupid. Are you going to think Bluegrass or Country is stupid when the guy blaring Toby Keith pulls over to help you change a flat tire or calls 911 if you're hurt?

Bluegrass and Country is so out. We listen to Deathgrass and Countrycore now.

Bluegrass and Country is so out. We listen to Deathgrass and Countrycore now.
BlueDeathGrassAleatoricCoreThrashChoralSkaPowerPopKlesmerIndustrialSwingChristianSpeedFolkMetalHouse WorldClassicalAcappellaNewWaveBaroqueReggaeTechnoCountryBopFusionSalsaTejanoPunk.

LO-fucking-L, and probably there's a fan-base out there that would thus classify their favorite band.

BlueDeathGrassAleatoricCoreThrashChoralSkaPowerPopKlesmerIndustrialSwingChristianSpeedFolkMetalHouse WorldClassicalAcappellaNewWaveBaroqueReggaeTechnoCountryBopFusionSalsaTejanoPunk.

I think I know that...;)

Yeah like I just said twice, they are called teenagers.

Really man think back to your teenage years, and answer this one question.

Would you like to live them again?
I wouldn't they where shit.

you got that right, dude. hard years and I wouldn't want to do some of that stuff again. and my old man and I did everything except have knockdown fights.

but let's face it, you can spend too much time feeling 'misunderstood' and badly treated and all that. I know now that when my old man reacted to my teenage misery by telling me 'buck up, leave the pity-party and do something about that bug up your ass', it was because that's what worked for him. does that mean it's a universal antidote? no, but he was giving me the best he knew.

and btw, my old man's advice? it worked for me and I found my life by following it.

but saying that, I still wouldn't want to do it again.

nope. But my stupidity alarms have been going off ever since you made that post...I think you upset their sensors.

And I have my off days, I'll admit it. I'll have days where for some reason, I just can't find a reason to be happy. But doesn't everyone?

I don't. about 40 years ago I discovered that it's impossible for me to feel bad when I'm in the ocean. I surf every day I can walk, and scuba 3-4 times a week. I also sky-dive but it doesn't do the same thing for me. but when I'm in the water, life is perfect.

2 cents from an old dude you probably don't want advice from: find something that you love doing so much you hate to stop. live for it. it helps a lot.

Emo or Punk? Well, I think...*eyes roll up into skull*



Who gives a flagellating fuck WHAT a bunch of obnoxious, undereducated, whiny, little teenage maggots put in their crass-consumerist mp3 players? It's gonna suck no matter what genre-splintering, micro- (pico-? femto-? atto-?) market it's aimed at. And then they're gonna buy the clothes that mark them as listeners of said splinter because they think that makes them cool and identifies them as X. Fuck X. X sucks.

"Emo-core"? WTF? Jesus Tapdancing Christ, just call it music and listen to WHATEVER YOU LIKE! Making judgments about other human beings based on what consumer muzak they choose is just plain stupid. Are you going to think Bluegrass or Country is stupid when the guy blaring Toby Keith pulls over to help you change a flat tire or calls 911 if you're hurt?

Listen to what you like and leave anyone else to do the same.



Whoa...eyes rolled up into my head for a second there. What was the topic again?

shame about forum rules. I so wanna sig that!

I don't think anyone's said that a trip to Germany makes the OP parents good parents. In fact, the consensus seems to be that the parents sprung for Deutschland in order to stop the inanity (as it were). So, avoidance parenting at best. It beats abuse (no pun intended).

They may not have said it outright, but it was certainly heavily implied. Avoidance Parenting gives the child good reason to feel ignored, neglected & unappreciated. Thus, whining follows.

Well first, I don't think that Deep Kimchi would actually know an Emo kid if there was one dancing in front of him, and second, the cause of the anger seems to stem from this, and I'll leave the emphasis as it is-

The fact is that the only information we are given is that they complain that thier parents don't care about thier problems and they paid for the trip to Germany, leaving us to draw the conclusion that if you get a trip to Germany your parents are no longer under any obligation to care.



I love you. Marry me?

He's a freak because he is a typical teenager who is angsty towards his parents? Or because he has a boyfriend...?

Wait a second... isn't DK bi? That'd preclude the second option, at least theorectically... (Sorry DK, if somewhere I got the wrong idea...)

First post, hi everyone, great to be here.

Now, I just want to say i'm sick of the emo bashing, it's become a trend all in it's own. Like, jesus christ. Am I the only person on earth who finds punks just as annoying if not more annoying than emo/scene kids? This is my perpective: Emos bitch about relationship/teen angst, punks bitch about governments and politics that they don't understand. People say emos all look alike, ever been to a punk show? I find punks more annoying, emos tend to leave you alone, punks tend to be violent and anti-social.

If you subscribe to a certain sub-culture, of course you're going to look alike. Everyone conforms to something. The so-called non-conformists just conform to a smaller batch of conformity rather than the mainstream. 90% of the emo bashing is just LOL!!!1111 EmOs r TEh ghey! lmfaoooo. Lets break down the major complaints about emo, shall we?

The Hair: the hair isn't new, anyone who lived through the 80s should recognise it as the child of the devil lock and the flock of seagulls haircut, it's not new people.

The pants: Shut up, men have been wearing tight pants for as long as men have been wearing pants. Ever seen a painting of a man from the 1500-early 1800s? Those look practically painted on.

The adittude: They act sad, and? I don't care if they're sad. It's not my business. Punks are constantly pissed off, how is that any better?

The music: i'm not a fan of the music, at all. But, there are far worse batches of music out there. Ever listened to rap? that requires no talent whatsoever at least the emos can claim theres requires some skill.

The fact they all look alike: Right, i've covered this before. Yes, they do all look alike. Ever seen a group of wiggers? What about a group of punks? Goths? Preps? Nerds? See my drift?

Now, I just want to say i'm sick of the emo bashing, it's become a trend all in it's own. Like, jesus christ. Am I the only person on earth who finds punks just as annoying if not more annoying than emo/scene kids? This is my perpective: Emos bitch about relationship/teen angst, punks bitch about governments and politics that they don't understand. People say emos all look alike, ever been to a punk show? I find punks more annoying, emos tend to leave you alone, punks tend to be violent and anti-social.


Which Punks are we talking about? If we're talking about the Hardcore kids who think violence is actualization and who's sole goal in life is to beat up a kid from the suburbs, you're right. Same is true of the posers who haven't got a freaking clue what they're talking about (the Green Day types). Those aren't the only kind of punks out there. There are different groups with different ideas (which change city to city and between different age-groups in the scenes. Look no further than the seperatism of HarDCore from the rest of the DC scene in the early '80's.) in punk. Emo was one of them, before it got commercialized.

Take a page from a group called The Wierdoes..."Destroy All Music".

You heard me. Destroy all music. Music is crap. All that money, and time, and energy, devoted to...what?

Think it's gonna cure cancer? Get us to Mars? Do my goddamned Master's thesis for me? No...but we rave about it, think about it, spend money on it, like it's actually worth something...

Really. It's crap. Drop it. Just stop listening.


As a musician, I am duly obligated to thwack you upside the head for this.

*thwack*

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I agree.

I blame Radiohead for just about everything:D

whiney creeps.

And weirdos.

Meh, I'm a gay emo teen -_- No bf though...and that could explain a lot of the angst.

Emos suck. Punks suck, Preps suck, wiggers suck, skaters suck, face it people... EVERYONE SUCKS!

Hi, Apathetic Hippy here, I'd just like to put my views on the subject into the hat, Emo's, they're actually closer to Chavs (Brits now who Chavs are) than what we (my mates, and possibly other brits) would consider Rockers, not in personality but in the musical backgrounds they come from, Emo music traces back to punk as does Chav music so what am I saying here, that Emos are as worthless as Chavs? No, actually what I'm saying is that music has lost its way, back in the 60's we had Psychedelia, sure there were a few, maybe a lot, of bad apples but times were good and people loved one another, then came the invention of OZ, the magazine which crushed the spirit of the original Hippy and caused people to move from apathetic roots of "Hey chill dudes, just listen to the music and have a good time " to the Punk Rockers of the 70's who cared more about influencing the goverments and people of the time into making the world "a better place" not only did this spark a whole movement which relates to my original point but it portrayed the hippies as pot smoking idiots who rioted and complained for no reason, so back to the sparking of the movement, this "better world" the Hippies were creating lasted for thirty years of angry complaining protests, the setting up of Greenpeace which originally had great motives but lost its way, and after 30 years the people just stopped listening to the Hippies, they were rehashing crap and going back on previous statements, now the people began to listen to a new perspective, why bother trying to create this newer and better life of clean living, well hell why not go all the way and support the exact opposite, so now we had the rise of the anti hippy hippies in the late 80's and early 90's who would complain about hippy things, and try to make the next generation not so in with modern phillosophies and all this bullcrap, so the kids raised at this time had nothing in thier ears but complaining from both sides, after all that for so long wouldn't you want it to stop, so what are your choices? Forget about it and let the complaints pile up until you go mad? or Complain back, get with the program, I mean you could even join these punk rockers, they've been complaining for a long time, but what shall we complain about, oh I dunno, the goverment, your parents, anyone who complains at you, and that my friends is how and why Emo's came to be.

First post, hi everyone, great to be here.

Now, I just want to say i'm sick of the emo bashing, it's become a trend all in it's own. Like, jesus christ. Am I the only person on earth who finds punks just as annoying if not more annoying than emo/scene kids? This is my perpective: Emos bitch about relationship/teen angst, punks bitch about governments and politics that they don't understand. People say emos all look alike, ever been to a punk show? I find punks more annoying, emos tend to leave you alone, punks tend to be violent and anti-social.

If you subscribe to a certain sub-culture, of course you're going to look alike. Everyone conforms to something. The so-called non-conformists just conform to a smaller batch of conformity rather than the mainstream. 90% of the emo bashing is just LOL!!!1111 EmOs r TEh ghey! lmfaoooo. Lets break down the major complaints about emo, shall we?

The Hair: the hair isn't new, anyone who lived through the 80s should recognise it as the child of the devil lock and the flock of seagulls haircut, it's not new people.

The pants: Shut up, men have been wearing tight pants for as long as men have been wearing pants. Ever seen a painting of a man from the 1500-early 1800s? Those look practically painted on.

The adittude: They act sad, and? I don't care if they're sad. It's not my business. Punks are constantly pissed off, how is that any better?

The music: i'm not a fan of the music, at all. But, there are far worse batches of music out there. Ever listened to rap? that requires no talent whatsoever at least the emos can claim theres requires some skill.

The fact they all look alike: Right, i've covered this before. Yes, they do all look alike. Ever seen a group of wiggers? What about a group of punks? Goths? Preps? Nerds? See my drift?

First off, you're TOTALLY contradicting yourself, because once again, cultural ignorance puts people into BOXES. Dude, don't try & BASH the STEM of REALLL emo music. Emo, by the way, stands for EMOTIVE HARDCORE PUNK hear that kid? PUNK. So, you say "Punks" are annoying, so, by punk I assume you mean anyone who listens to Hardcore/Ska/Psychobilly/Emo/Retro-Punk/Anarcha-Feminist Punk & so on. Didn't think so.

The group of kids you're referring to, they're called MALLPUNKS, sweets. They're posers, & in the Words Of Mathew Lilard in SLC Punk!; "Posers are kids who look like punks but they did it for fashion." which is true, you know, because PUNK music, just like EMO music, just like RAP music, just like JAZZ music. IS JUST MUSIC.

Hey, kid, ever been to a HARDCORE show? it's like a thousand copies of the same person. ANYSHOW is like that. & do you know why? because they're all united by the same love for the kind of music they just payed like 10 bucks to watch & listen to. m'kay. so at any show you go to, there will ALWAYS be similar styles of dress. End of discussion.

Also, that complete BULLSHIT about "kids who bitch about politics they don't understand" oh dude, you uneducated git, fuck you. honestly. fuck you. Labels are for Jars, NOT PEOPLE. not every kid in the world who listens to punk music "bitches about politics they don't understand." dude, pick up a rights of spring CD & go fuck yourself. Edumacate yourself.

That comment about Rap music by the way, not gonna fly, hun. Rap, stands for Rhythm & poetry, & actually there are far more lyrics, found in underground Rap music, or even mainstream rap music, then in the traditional everyday "rock" music in the mainstream today [basically meaning, these days, anything that is NOT rap or r&b.]

Frankly, this blatant lack of information is both discouraging & insulting. So I'mma leave it at this. Music is music. it's beats, it's lyrics. It's not made to live your life by. So enjoy it.

PEACE.
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Which Punks are we talking about? If we're talking about the Hardcore kids who think violence is actualization and who's sole goal in life is to beat up a kid from the suburbs, you're right. Same is true of the posers who haven't got a freaking clue what they're talking about (the Green Day types). Those aren't the only kind of punks out there. There are different groups with different ideas (which change city to city and between different age-groups in the scenes. Look no further than the seperatism of HarDCore from the rest of the DC scene in the early '80's.) in punk. Emo was one of them, before it got commercialized.

AMEN.

...Radiohead is one of the relatively few bands from the last 20 years I enjoy. I've been to a couple of gigs - 3 in fact - and they were dynamite. ...

saw them again last week - just blew me away!! outrageous. one helluva show.

even tired at the end of their US tour they took my head into space.

people have always tried to label me.

"oh, your so emo!"

"oh, your so punk!"

"oh, your so goth!"

"oh, your such a nerd!"

and my response is always the same:

"i'm not emo(punk/goth/nerdy). i am me. end of story. get over it."

the ones i REALLY hate are the ones that argue with me to try to make me label myself the way they have labled me.

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