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Recently, some Iraqi insurgents kidnapped four Russians, and then killed them.

Not that I can figure out why insurgents would have anything against Russians - after all, Russia opposed the invasion, and isn't part of the coalition.

So Putin is ordering his security services to find them and kill them.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/R/RUSSIA_IRAQ?SITE=MIPON&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

The Russians don't put up with much shit either.
Almost feel sorry for the insurgents.
Almost.

Remember what happened in Lebanon in the 80's when a KGB agent (or was it a Diplomat?) was kidnapped?

Stupid insurgents, pissed off the crackpot Russians.

The Russians don't put up with much shit either.
Almost feel sorry for the insurgents.
Almost.

Remember what happened in Lebanon in the 80's when a KGB agent (or was it a Diplomat?) was kidnapped?

The Russians found out who the insurgents' family members were, kidnapped a few women and children, chopped them into parts, and sent the parts in a black plastic trash bag to the terrorists.

The diplomat was released immediately unharmed.

All I know is that it will probably involve Vodka. Lots and lots of Vodka.

It's the russian way to deal with this. Savagely

this is going to turn into a bloodbath soon, but...Why they attack russian (almost allied country) diplomats (civilian, protected people)?

They brought this over themselves.

All I know is that it will probably involve Vodka. Lots and lots of Vodka.
Yeah, Vodka based Molotov Cocktails are a trademark of the Russian Spec Ops.

The Russians found out who the insurgents' family members were, kidnapped a few women and children, chopped them into parts, and sent the parts in a black plastic trash bag to the terrorists.

The diplomat was released immediately unharmed.
From what I heard, they kidnapped the leader's son, killed him, cut his balls off and stuffed them in his mouth and left in the boot of a car.
They then let the kidnappers know where to find him with the warning that the same would happen to every family member if the guy wasn't released.

No idea if it's true though. Everyone seems to have heard of it, but it's slightly different each time and I just googled and all I could find was other ppl telling their recollections. No actual report.

Still a good story though.

Hopefully for the Russians, the insurrgents have heard it as well and are shitting bricks.

From what I heard, they kidnapped the leader's son, killed him, cut his balls off and stuffed them in his mouth and left in the boot of a car.
They then let the kidnappers know where to find him with the warning that the same would happen to every family member if the guy wasn't released.

No idea if it's true though. Everyone seems to have heard of it, but it's slightly different each time and I just googled and all I could find was other ppl telling their recollections. No actual report.

Still a good story though.

Hopefully for the Russians, the insurrgents have heard it as well and are shitting bricks.


They may have only had to threaten something nasty back in Lebanon. They have a long reputation for being people who would skin you alive for fun.

Not that I can figure out why insurgents would have anything against Russians - after all, Russia opposed the invasion, and isn't part of the coalition.

You can, or you can't?
Russians have been at war with mostly Muslim Chechnya (and other mostly Muslim regions) for years, remember? They have had their fair share of islamist and violent terror attcks in Russia.

You can, or you can't?
Russians have been at war with mostly Muslim Chechnya (and other mostly Muslim regions) for years, remember? They have had their fair share of islamist and violent terror attcks in Russia.

I can't see why Iraqi insurgents would care. There are plenty of American soldiers about.

The Russians found out who the insurgents' family members were, kidnapped a few women and children, chopped them into parts, and sent the parts in a black plastic trash bag to the terrorists.

The diplomat was released immediately unharmed.

Wow...

On the grand scale of not taking any shit, that comes in at 'very scary'.

From what I heard, they kidnapped the leader's son, killed him, cut his balls off and stuffed them in his mouth and left in the boot of a car.
They then let the kidnappers know where to find him with the warning that the same would happen to every family member if the guy wasn't released.


That would be a Russian thing to do. At least Russian mafia does this (cut balls and stuff them into victim's mouth)

I can't see why Iraqi insurgents would care. There are plenty of American soldiers about.
I don't think they care about that. Americans are enemies, Russians are enemies...just not for the same reasons.

I can't see why Iraqi insurgents would care. There are plenty of American soldiers about.
Who are prob better protected and better armed.
So who would you go for?

I think some insurgents just want to kill everything non/anti-Muslim.

Wow...

On the grand scale of not taking any shit, that comes in at 'very scary'.

When dealing with people who exploit terror and violence as a means of accomplishing a goal, if they perceive you to be unwilling to do nastier things than they do, they will not have any respect for you - as in, they won't listen to your threats, will not negotiate in good faith, and will see you as weak.

If you are seen as far crazier than they are, they will not fuck with you.

Yeah, it's a pity that Germany isn't as angry as it used to be. They've had a few losses in Iraq; Russia and Germany both could royally fuck up the insurgency.

I can't see why Iraqi insurgents would care. There are plenty of American soldiers about.

Islamists have a terrible habit in believing in pan-Islamic solidarity. Case in point: four Yorkshiremen blow themselves up in London in vengeance for the occupation of Iraq... amongst other factors.

Also, I doubt that the insurgents check for passports before they act, I think their targetting methods consist mainly on seeing whether the target is White.

That would be a Russian thing to do. At least Russian mafia does this (cut balls and stuff them into victim's mouth)
I've heard of that as well.
The ppl who killed Rasputin even hacked off his (apparently) very impressively large schlong too.

Seems to be a bit of a Russian tradition, along with heavy drinking and freezing cold.

In Soviet Russia, payback orders you!

I've heard of that as well.
The ppl who killed Rasputin even hacked off his (apparently) very impressively large schlong too.

Seems to be a bit of a Russian tradition, along with heavy drinking and freezing cold.

I wonder how the world, and al-Q, would have taken it if after 9-11, the US sent agents to various countries, kidnapped the relatives of the 9-11 hijackers, and skinned them alive, dumping the skinless bodies in a public area.

It's one thing to die in a suicide attack - it's another to realize that if you do, your relatives will beg for death at the end.

Probably nicer than invading countries and fighting insurgencies.

Recently, some Iraqi insurgents kidnapped four Russians, and then killed them.

Not that I can figure out why insurgents would have anything against Russians - after all, Russia opposed the invasion, and isn't part of the coalition.

So Putin is ordering his security services to find them and kill them.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/R/RUSSIA_IRAQ?SITE=MIPON&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Them Russians are infidels, according to the jihadis...



Good luck to Putin.

Send a Jihadi to Hell, and serve Mankind!
( 'save' sounds so.. pathetic)

To be fair, Russia does routinely torture and execute suspected insurgents in Chechnya and the surrounding republics - that is the norm over there as far as detainee processing is concerned. The US is also not the only country to have conducted assassinations in the Middle East. A couple of years ago, a pair of Russian hitmen were arrested in Yemen (I think) after a known international terrorist was killed by a bomb rigged up to his car. A past Chechen leader was also killed back in 1996 by a Russian cruise missile that homed in onto his cellphone - really the US has had to catch up with methods like that. And then there has been the usual nerve agent on inside of envelope stuff, etc, with sufficient human intelligence to get it hand-delivered by trusted couriers. So Russia isn't any less dangerous in its pursuit of people of interest. If they take an interest, you are 100% fucked.

To be fair, Russia does routinely torture and execute suspected insurgents in Chechnya and the surrounding republics - that is the norm over there as far as detainee processing is concerned. The US is also not the only country to have conducted assassinations in the Middle East. A couple of years ago, a pair of Russian hitmen were arrested in Yemen (I think) after a known international terrorist was killed by a bomb rigged up to his car. A past Chechen leader was also killed back in 1996 by a Russian cruise missile that homed in onto his cellphone - really the US has had to catch up with methods like that. And then there has been the usual nerve agent on inside of envelope stuff, etc, with sufficient human intelligence to get it hand-delivered by trusted couriers. So Russia isn't any less dangerous in its pursuit of people of interest. If they take an interest, you are 100% fucked.


It's less disruptive than invading a country wholesale.

Putin is crazy, but in a Russia strongman kind of way.

It's less disruptive than invading a country wholesale.
Chechnya, Dagestan, Ingushetia (how the hell do I spell that???), northern Georgia and various assorted surrounding bits are every bit the same fuck-up, and they already had a go in Afghanistan. They are prone to the same mistakes as the US - neither seems willing to learn anything but methods from the other.

To be fair, Russia does routinely torture and execute suspected insurgents in Chechnya and the surrounding republics - that is the norm over there as far as detainee processing is concerned. The US is also not the only country to have conducted assassinations in the Middle East. A couple of years ago, a pair of Russian hitmen were arrested in Yemen (I think) after a known international terrorist was killed by a bomb rigged up to his car. A past Chechen leader was also killed back in 1996 by a Russian cruise missile that homed in onto his cellphone - really the US has had to catch up with methods like that. And then there has been the usual nerve agent on inside of envelope stuff, etc, with sufficient human intelligence to get it hand-delivered by trusted couriers. So Russia isn't any less dangerous in its pursuit of people of interest. If they take an interest, you are 100% fucked.

That's how you fight a "War on Terror." If you ask me the US should just lay off on invading nations and make it so terrorists die such horrible deaths that other Islamists will shit themselves when they hear the stoies.

Putin is not a man to piss about with. This will probably lead to some troubling times around the world.

The Chechens had better hunker down for a while, methinks.

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If the USA started acting like Putinist Russia they would make enemies quicker than they would be able to 'process' them.

Vladimir Putin is a terrible dictator, his actions are not to be applauded, he would sooner take these actions against 'unpatriotic' civilians than terrorists.

If the USA started acting like Putinist Russia they would make enemies quicker than they would be able to 'process' them.

Vladimir Putin is a terrible dictator, his actions are not to be applauded, he would sooner take these actions against 'unpatriotic' civilians than terrorists.

The world would probably be a better place without people like Putin, but the point here is that you don't want to get on his bad side, because he'll spank you.

The world would probably be a better place without people like Putin, but the point here is that you don't want to get on his bad side, because he'll spank you.
It doesn't really have much to do with Putin. Russia was doing the exact same stuff under Yeltsin, while he was comatose and incapable of speech, and under communism. Those services function independently of the configuration of government, or even prevailing ideology. They take a perverse pride in being apolitical, and serving all governments in the same manner irrespective of what they are.

You will find it is the same in the US, UK, and any other country with a secret service tradition. The identity of their government tends to be irrelevant.

It doesn't really have much to do with Putin. Russia was doing the exact same stuff under Yeltsin, while he was comatose and incapable of speech, and under communism. Those services function independently of the configuration of government, or even prevailing ideology. They take a perverse pride in being apolitical, and serving all governments in the same manner irrespective of what they are.

You will find it is the same in the US, UK, and any other country with a secret service tradition. The identity of their government tends to be irrelevant.

Ah, but some secret services are more ruthless by reputation than others.

It doesn't really have much to do with Putin. Russia was doing the exact same stuff under Yeltsin, while he was comatose and incapable of speech, and under communism. Those services function independently of the configuration of government, or even prevailing ideology. They take a perverse pride in being apolitical, and serving all governments in the same manner irrespective of what they are.

You will find it is the same in the US, UK, and any other country with a secret service tradition. The identity of their government tends to be irrelevant.

Well, it seems to me, from what I've heard from Russians I know, that this is the way they expect and want the Russian state and the Russian head of state to be. I don't know whether a differently minded government would have any effect on the administration, but I'm not sure a differently minded government would even be elected.

Anyone else here find it ironic how all the right-wingers on this forum are so vocal in their support of Russia in this thread?

Anyone else here find it ironic how all the right-wingers on this forum are so vocal in their support of Russia in this thread?

No. Is Russia somehow a true Communist nation or something?

Anyone else here find it ironic how all the right-wingers on this forum are so vocal in their support of Russia in this thread?

Not really. Russia is a right-wing society. The old Soviets had a left-wing IDEOLOGY, but were in reality right-wing. Russia has never been anything but conservative, really.