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The Natural Cures Guy

Cyrian space
28-06-2006, 15:03
For those of you who don't automatically know what I'm talking about, there's this guy who buys infomercial time trying to sell a book, and says that there are simple, natural cures for nearly all diseases, including arthritus, heart disease, and cancer. Is there any truth to his claims? Has anyone bought his book, and was it worth buying? Are his claims that the FTC and FDA are in cahoots with drug companies, shutting down providers of supplements and natural cures, at all true?
The Mindset
28-06-2006, 15:04
Short answer: no.

Long answer: no, it's a scam, and you're stupid if you buy into it.
Call to power
28-06-2006, 15:07
I wouldn't put too much faith in herbal medicine but if the doctors can't seem to help you its always worth a try oh but always remember to read up before you use herbal medicine some can have quite bad side affects
CSW
28-06-2006, 15:08
For those of you who don't automatically know what I'm talking about, there's this guy who buys infomercial time trying to sell a book, and says that there are simple, natural cures for nearly all diseases, including arthritus, heart disease, and cancer. Is there any truth to his claims? Has anyone bought his book, and was it worth buying? Are his claims that the FTC and FDA are in cahoots with drug companies, shutting down providers of supplements and natural cures, at all true?
He's a convicted felon.



Think about this for a moment.
Cyrian space
28-06-2006, 15:10
Short answer: no.

Long answer: no, it's a scam, and you're stupid if you buy into it.
I was looking for answers with something to actually back them up.
The Mindset
28-06-2006, 15:12
I was looking for answers with something to actually back them up.
This about what this guy is implying. If the drug companies are creating fictional diseases that was easily treated, wouldn't all their board members be living to age 360 or something? No. They die like we do, from diseases we cannot yet cure. It's possible that there are natural cures for certain diseases. However, these cures will have a basis in science, whereas this guy's claims do not.
CSW
28-06-2006, 15:12
I was looking for answers with something to actually back them up.
"A repeated criticism of the book – at least the original version – is that there are very few actual treatment plans for any illnesses within its pages. A possible explanation for this is that he is afraid of civil lawsuits from parties who may be harmed as a result of taking his advice in lieu of more traditional medical treatment. Instead of detailed cures, the original book presents only general concepts, and then promotes a companion website which sells subscriptions to further detailed information and a monthly newsletter. However, the latest edition of Natural Cures features specific claims of cures for many diseases, such as removing all metal dental work from the mouth and using products like CMO or crocodile protein peptide to cure arthritis, apple cider vinegar to cure acid reflux and red marine algae, hydrogen peroxide, DMSO and larrea to cure herpes, as well as enemas to cure PMS and back pain."


That and he's been banned from infomertials for false advertising. And he has no proof.
Fleckenstein
28-06-2006, 15:16
He's a convicted felon.



Think about this for a moment.
he's been dragged through the mud for not having cures and for straight lying and libel.

how he still buys time is amazing.
Ilie
28-06-2006, 15:25
Short answer: no.

Long answer: no, it's a scam, and you're stupid if you buy into it.

Hear hear!
Greater Alemannia
28-06-2006, 15:25
Herbal and natural remedies may have some theraputic benefits, but nobody should ever rely on them for serious illnesses like cancer or heart disease.
Ashmoria
28-06-2006, 15:31
the guy was selling okinawan BEACH SAND to people cure stuff. why not cut out the middleman and go eat dirt. it will do you as much good.
Greater Alemannia
28-06-2006, 15:33
the guy was selling okinawan BEACH SAND to people cure stuff. why not cut out the middleman and go eat dirt. it will do you as much good.

Oh, I agree, this guy's a dickhead.
Demented Hamsters
28-06-2006, 15:34
Amy Wong: "You should try homeopathic medicine, Bender. Try some zinc."
Bender: "I am forty percent zinc."
Amy Wong: "Then take some echinacea, or St. John's Wort."
Professor Hubert Farnsworth: "Or a big Fat Placebo! It's all the same crap."
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Mstreeted
28-06-2006, 15:36
this particular book probably isn't you're best option, but there are other ways of researching natural remedies for specific ailments, curing might be a bit of a stretch though.

If you're talking about desieise and terminal illness, you're probably only going to acheive easing pain through natural remedies as apposed curing it, but people need all the positivity and hope they can get when faced with life threatening illness, which is exactly what this guy is playing on.
Avropolis
28-06-2006, 15:47
DMSO and larrea to cure herpes,
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Good lord. I assume you mean DMSO as in Di-Methyl Sulphoxide? I use this in the lab as a pigment extraction solvent and you wouldn't believe the list of nasty shit it can do to you if you accidentally spill some on you or ingest/inhale it.

And this bloke promotes it as a cure? Well kill or cure perhaps.

I don't really understand this whole modern medicine/ herbal treatment debate and/or rivalry, most contempary medical treatments have at least some basis in so called alternative or natural medicine.

Most well known case being asprin, the synthetic active ingredient from the old herbal remedies using willow bark. From the basic chemical structure of this ingredient we can extrapolate or develop other more effective compounds.

This was and still is one of the primary sources of so called modern medicines.

I agree that what we call alternative therapy can be benificial in some cases even if only for the placebo effect but people don't seem to realise that taking a so called herbal medicine is precisely the same as the modern equivalent with all the associated side effects and benefits but with about three times the cost.

*edit* I just re-read the above and thought I'd better clarify. I don't mean to say all modern treatments have a herbal/alternative equivalent or that herbal treatments are equivalent to modern treatments, some are not all. My point simply being people should find out the info on whatever treatment they need or are considering.
Drunk commies deleted
28-06-2006, 15:49
For those of you who don't automatically know what I'm talking about, there's this guy who buys infomercial time trying to sell a book, and says that there are simple, natural cures for nearly all diseases, including arthritus, heart disease, and cancer. Is there any truth to his claims? Has anyone bought his book, and was it worth buying? Are his claims that the FTC and FDA are in cahoots with drug companies, shutting down providers of supplements and natural cures, at all true?
He's a con man. He's actually done time for crap like this before.

http://www.infomercialwatch.org/tran/trudeau.shtml
Sadakoyama
28-06-2006, 15:51
Linked is an excellent paper (http://www.nocommercialpotential.org/for_fowlsound/SpinePaper.pdf) on this general subject by someone with cancer. The language at times is a bit salty, read at your own risk.
Cyrian space
29-06-2006, 02:24
Well, you've convinced me not to buy his book, and thus saved me $15.00
But is what he does give out on the infomercials true? does apple vinegar fix acid reflux? and are the FDA and FTC as militant with supplements that seem to make drug like claims as he says? Is calcium any good with cancer?

And he has other stories also, like a doctor who developed a therapy that got rid of anxious urges patients had, like the need to constantly eat chocholate, or to smoke. Is there any truth to any of these?

I end up seeing a lot of this guy's infomercials, and it makes me curious.
Nural
29-06-2006, 02:36
And I've never trusted those informecials before, seeing some of these links only help justify why I don't trust them.
CSW
29-06-2006, 02:37
Well, you've convinced me not to buy his book, and thus saved me $15.00
But is what he does give out on the infomercials true? does apple vinegar fix acid reflux? and are the FDA and FTC as militant with supplements that seem to make drug like claims as he says? Is calcium any good with cancer?

And he has other stories also, like a doctor who developed a therapy that got rid of anxious urges patients had, like the need to constantly eat chocholate, or to smoke. Is there any truth to any of these?

I end up seeing a lot of this guy's infomercials, and it makes me curious.
If anything, the FDA is too lax with supplements. They get away with a lot of stuff and they are barely regulated at all.
Desperate Measures
29-06-2006, 02:39
Anyone who has Scientology listed as a "Cure" for depression cannot be trusted.
IL Ruffino
29-06-2006, 02:40
He's a convicted felon.



Think about this for a moment.
Is he the one I saw on the tv new being called a.. why yes I think it is!
CthulhuFhtagn
29-06-2006, 02:42
But is what he does give out on the infomercials true?
No. It's not. That's why he's been fucking banned from infomercials. Imagine that sheer amount of bullshit he'd have to peddle to get banned for false advertising in fricking infomercials.
CSW
29-06-2006, 02:45
F'erample:

TRUDEAU: If your body pH is alkaline, you can not get cancer.

MATTHEWS: You can’t get sick.

TRUDEAU: You can’t virtually get sick.

MATTHEWS: Right.

TRUDEAU: Okay? If it’s acid, you can get cancer. In our—my personal observations, every single person who has cancer has an acidic body, acid pH, where it’s so [acidic] that it’s dramatically [inaudible]. .

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If your body pH is alkaline, you are dead. Really. pH has to be within a very very narrow range, or you die. Simple as that. Maybe you can't get cancer if you're dead, but somehow I don't think he means that.
WangWee
29-06-2006, 02:46
Well, you've convinced me not to buy his book, and thus saved me $15.00
But is what he does give out on the infomercials true? does apple vinegar fix acid reflux? and are the FDA and FTC as militant with supplements that seem to make drug like claims as he says? Is calcium any good with cancer?

And he has other stories also, like a doctor who developed a therapy that got rid of anxious urges patients had, like the need to constantly eat chocholate, or to smoke. Is there any truth to any of these?

I end up seeing a lot of this guy's infomercials, and it makes me curious.

I've no idea who this guy is and I wouldn't skim through his book if it was the only thing to read and I was stuck in a waiting room at the dentists for eternity.

But the vinegar thing works for a little while, as does half a teaspoon of baking soda in a glass of water( and it tastes like shit). Its just chemistry. I don't know the english terms for the chemistry stuff and I don't feel like looking them up.
CSW
29-06-2006, 02:52
I've no idea who this guy is and I wouldn't skim through his book if it was the only thing to read and I was stuck in a waiting room at the dentists for eternity.

But the vinegar thing works for a little while, as does half a teaspoon of baking soda in a glass of water( and it tastes like shit). Its just chemistry. I don't know the english terms for the chemistry stuff and I don't feel like looking them up.
Vinegar shouldn't work (unless it washes the acid down), baking soda will (antacid).
Two Hammers
29-06-2006, 02:57
For those of you who don't automatically know what I'm talking about, there's this guy who buys infomercial time trying to sell a book, and says that there are simple, natural cures for nearly all diseases, including arthritus, heart disease, and cancer. Is there any truth to his claims? Has anyone bought his book, and was it worth buying? Are his claims that the FTC and FDA are in cahoots with drug companies, shutting down providers of supplements and natural cures, at all true?


If his drug is such a wonder drug, wouldn't they be using it at the hospital for cancer treatment and curing. Of course they would. If it did what they actually said it did, it would be all over the news. This guy is just a scam artist looking for peoples money. He will get attention because he's drawing negative publicity to the FTC and the FDA. My opinion is that he should be taken off the air because I don't even think he's a doctor. Whatever you do, don't buy "Natural Cures, Medicines the Government Doesn't Want You to Know About.":headbang:
Desperate Measures
29-06-2006, 02:58
This thread gives me hope for NS. We've all agreed on something and it's a good conclusion to come to.
WangWee
29-06-2006, 02:59
Vinegar shouldn't work (unless it washes the acid down), baking soda will (antacid).

Sorry, you're right, the vinegar thing would probably do the opposite... I confused the vinegar with something else. The two things I have trouble with in the English language are foodstuffs and chemistry.
Entropic Creation
29-06-2006, 03:10
Part of his marketing is playing on the conspiracy theory nut-jobs who thing everything is a government conspiracy to control and exploit you.

His claims built on the premise that every doctor and scientist in the world is quiet about the cure for cancer in exchange for a couple bucks from the pharmaceutical companies.

If you think that is plausible – you need a lot more help than any book can give you.