NationStates Jolt Archive

On one hand, this is good to help track the child porn rings and eventually (hopefully) get to the ones creating said images (Though how much time before new technology is used to change the digital signature of such images to allow it past such filters is probably messured in days), but on the other hand...


By ANICK JESDANUN, AP Internet Writer
Tue Jun 27, 12:35 AM ET

NEW YORK - Five leading online service providers will jointly build a database of child-pornography images and develop other tools to help network operators and law enforcement better prevent distribution of the images.

The companies pledged $1 million among them Tuesday to set up a technology coalition as part of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. They aim to create the database by year's end, though many details remain unsettled.

The participating companies are Time Warner Inc.'s AOL, Yahoo Inc. (Nasdaq:YHOO - news), Microsoft Corp., EarthLink Inc. and United Online Inc., the company behind NetZero and Juno.

Ernie Allen, the chief executive of the missing children's center, noted that the Internet companies already possess many technologies to help protect users from threats such as viruses and e-mail "phishing" scams. "There's nothing more insidious and inappropriate" than child pornography, he said.

The announcement comes as the U.S. government is pressuring service providers to do more to help combat child pornography. Top law enforcement officials have told Internet companies they must retain customer records longer to help in such cases and have suggested seeking legislation to require it.

AOL chief counsel John Ryan said the coalition was partly a response to Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales' April speech identifying increases in child-porn cases and chiding the Internet industry for not doing more about them.

The creation of the technology coalition does not directly address the preservation of records but could demonstrate the industry's willingness to cooperate.

Plans call for the missing children's center to collect known child-porn images and create a unique mathematical signature for each one based on a common formula. Each participating company would scan its users' images for matches.

AOL, for instance, plans to check e-mail attachments that are already being scanned for viruses. If child porn is detected, AOL would refer the case to the missing-children's center for further investigation, as service providers are required to do under federal law.

Each company will set its own procedures on how it uses the database, but executives say the partnership will let companies exchange their best ideas — ultimately developing tools for preventing child-porn distribution instead of simply catching violations.

"When we pool together all our collective know-how and technical tools, we hope to come up with something more comprehensive along the lines of preventative" measures, said Tim Cranton, Microsoft's director of Internet safety enforcement programs.

Ryan said that although AOL will initially focus on scanning e-mail attachments, the goal is to ultimately develop techniques for checking other distribution techniques as well, such as instant messaging or Web uploads.

Representatives will begin meeting next month to evaluate their technologies, determining, for instance, whether cropping an image would change its signature and hinder comparisons. Also to be discussed are ways to ensure that customers' privacy is protected. Authorities still would need subpoenas to get identifying information on violators.

The companies involved said they are talking with other service providers about joining. But companies that do not participate still are required by law to report any suspected child-porn images, and many already have their own techniques for monitoring and identifying them.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060627/ap_on_hi_te/internet_child_porn

On the other hand, this is the same DoJ who is now making it a top mission to go after (their idea of) obsene pornography depicting adults and enjoyed by adults. And if the technology IS in place...

Someone please tell me I'm being paranoid...

On one hand, this is good to help track the child porn rings and eventually (hopefully) get to the ones creating said images (Though how much time before new technology is used to change the digital signature of such images to allow it past such filters is probably measured in days), but on the other hand...

On the other hand, this is the same DoJ who is now making it a top mission to go after (their idea of) obsene pornography depicting adults and enjoyed by adults. And if the technology IS in place...

Someone please tell me I'm being paranoid...

Time to delete all your porn files! :D

You're being paranoid, but just because you're paranoid doesn't mean the whacko right isn't planning on using avaliable technology to force their puritan sexual values on your inbox.

Time to delete all your porn files! :D
Er... getting married in a little more than a month. Long since deleated anything like that. ;)

Kiddy porners don't tend to store them on public servers. One of the reasons for the growth of the USB memory sticks. Carry your crap and hide it pretty well.

And no I don't do this you sick blankety blanks!

A guy mentioned it in a security conference!

;)

You know, when I surfed for porn in the past, stuff like child porn, incest porn, animated child porn and bestiality popped up so rarely, and could quickly be closed before my poor mind was seared with their horrible images. Now, these things just assail you with their vileness. Well, not the real child porn I think...but some nasty incest 'art' featuring children popped up when I was googling Totally Spies porn...don't ask, I was curious...anyway, I just about puked, and it had me wondering...how is that shit in any way legal? Not to mention the rape porn...some of it clearly states that it is roleplaying and claims that all models names are on file...but some is so damn disturbing...and then there is the 'bondage porn' that is actually just torture/rape porn...these sites pop up all the time now...it's turning me off porn period. Sickness.

I've always had one mantra: Porn is for the lazy- minded.

..these sites pop up all the time now...it's turning me off porn period. Sickness.

It's conspiracy to stop you from looking at people having sex. Don't give in, Sin. :cool:

You know, when I surfed for porn in the past, stuff like child porn, incest porn, animated child porn and bestiality popped up so rarely, and could quickly be closed before my poor mind was seared with their horrible images. Now, these things just assail you with their vileness. Well, not the real child porn I think...but some nasty incest 'art' featuring children popped up when I was googling Totally Spies porn...don't ask, I was curious...anyway, I just about puked, and it had me wondering...how is that shit in any way legal? Not to mention the rape porn...some of it clearly states that it is roleplaying and claims that all models names are on file...but some is so damn disturbing...and then there is the 'bondage porn' that is actually just torture/rape porn...these sites pop up all the time now...it's turning me off porn period. Sickness.
Which does beg the question, if your ISP is monitoring you, how do they know what was an acidental encounter and an actual search?

I agree that things are getting overboard, but as long as it's consenting adults... Just don't ask me to like or join in.

I've always had one mantra: Porn is for the lazy- minded.

Yar! Exactly. I'm highly imaginative. Don't need porn. :p

Er... getting married in a little more than a month. Long since deleated anything like that. ;)
nononononono... just because you put it in trash and emptied it, doesn't mean it's gone. you need to re-write over those file sectors.

quick, download other stuff and fill up that drive... then delete it. ;)

Which does beg the question, if your ISP is monitoring you, how do they know what was an acidental encounter and an actual search?

I agree that things are getting overboard, but as long as it's consenting adults... Just don't ask me to like or join in.
Flunky "gee sir, this IP address hit the "Hot and SeXXXy Elementary School" site 386 times.. and stayed at that site for more 5 minutes each time... I really don't think it's an accidental click."

Boss [and owner of IP]: "err.... probably just... adware, you know, yeah... that's it... adware..."

You know, when I surfed for porn in the past, stuff like child porn, incest porn, animated child porn and bestiality popped up so rarely, and could quickly be closed before my poor mind was seared with their horrible images. Now, these things just assail you with their vileness. Well, not the real child porn I think...but some nasty incest 'art' featuring children popped up when I was googling Totally Spies porn...don't ask, I was curious...anyway, I just about puked, and it had me wondering...how is that shit in any way legal? Not to mention the rape porn...some of it clearly states that it is roleplaying and claims that all models names are on file...but some is so damn disturbing...and then there is the 'bondage porn' that is actually just torture/rape porn...these sites pop up all the time now...it's turning me off porn period. Sickness.

I actually had a project to look for kiddy porn back in the days when people were still screaming OH MY GAWD KIDDY PORN ON THE NET?!?!?!

It was a risk analysis for the company getting hit with a kiddy porn charge.

I hit about 200-300 sites. Found one qustionable picture.

End result: Porn during business time was a nono. Too bad a few of the execs didn't follow their own policy.

I know of one guy that turned a company exec into the FBI for kiddy porn. He asked us if he should talk to his HR department and we told him HELL NO!

A company officer storing that crap on company computers? You might as well close the doors.

Yar! Exactly. I'm highly imaginative. Don't need porn. :p

Not to mention porn sorta kills your mind sexually and causes you to objectify women/men....I dowanna get brain dead! :eek:

Flunky "gee sir, this IP address hit the "Hot and SeXXXy Elementary School" site 386 times.. and stayed at that site for more 5 minutes each time... I really don't think it's an accidental click."

Boss [and owner of IP]: "err.... probably just... adware, you know, yeah... that's it... adware..."

With some of the porn hijackers out there; the argument is valid!

Probably the most sweatest woman in our company got hit with one of them. It took her an hour to work up the courage to ask for help! :D

Man she was embarassed!

Which does beg the question, if your ISP is monitoring you, how do they know what was an acidental encounter and an actual search? Trust me, being a teacher, the thought has crossed my mind. Thankfully at least, the pop ups are usualy portals into other sites, so unless you actually click on the various disgusting offers, you don't enter the actual porn site. I think.

I agree that things are getting overboard, but as long as it's consenting adults... Just don't ask me to like or join in.
Quite frankly, I'm porned out. It's just overload. Too much. Nothing taboo, nothing titilating...just nasty, out there, and in some cases, puke-inducing...bah humbug.

nononononono... just because you put it in trash and emptied it, doesn't mean it's gone. you need to re-write over those file sectors.

quick, download other stuff and fill up that drive... then delete it. ;)
Done and done. A long time ago actually.

Not that it really matters as said fiancee doesn't know how to recover files, but better safe than sorry.

I actually had a project to look for kiddy porn back in the days when people were still screaming OH MY GAWD KIDDY PORN ON THE NET?!?!?!

It was a risk analysis for the company getting hit with a kiddy porn charge.

I hit about 200-300 sites. Found one qustionable picture.


I have never actively searched for kiddie porn. I think most of it still gets traded 'peer to peer'...scumbag to scumbag...but all of a sudden I've noticed a tonne of this animated, or drawn porn...not hentai (which I have just recently seen...ewwww)...but nasty incest shit, one portal which quite obviously involved a child. So it's imaginary, it's not a real picture...but it's still fucking disgusting...is that stuff not regulated at all, becaus it's 'art'? *gags*

With some of the porn hijackers out there; the argument is valid!

Probably the most sweatest woman in our company got hit with one of them. It took her an hour to work up the courage to ask for help! :D

Man she was embarassed!
I had a female co-worker who got pissed when she was looking for Muppet Babies sites for her newborn daughter and ended up on a porn site.

man she was PISSED!! :D

And jesus christ...what kind of people fuck animals?

That stuff is just disturbing. I don't even want to see a hint of it.

That's it, I'm off porn surfage.

I had a female co-worker who got pissed when she was looking for Muppet Babies sites for her newborn daughter and ended up on a porn site.

man she was PISSED!! :D
I had a student search 'World War II' and end up with porn. It's hard to filter, even in schools. Especially in schools.

I have never actively searched for kiddie porn. I think most of it still gets traded 'peer to peer'...scumbag to scumbag...but all of a sudden I've noticed a tonne of this animated, or drawn porn...not hentai (which I have just recently seen...ewwww)...but nasty incest shit, one portal which quite obviously involved a child. So it's imaginary, it's not a real picture...but it's still fucking disgusting...is that stuff not regulated at all, becaus it's 'art'? *gags*
Well, technically since it didn't involve a real child...

Of course Congress attemtped to stop this and wrote a bill that would have made Titanic child porn.

BTW, not all hentai is tenticles. There's some nice ones out there too.

I've always had one mantra: Porn is for the lazy- minded.
Absolutely.




And when I'm feeling mentally lazy, I'm glad it's there.

I had a female co-worker who got pissed when she was looking for Muppet Babies sites for her newborn daughter and ended up on a porn site.

man she was PISSED!! :D

I got a porn site when searching for information about chamomile tea. I was pretty much thinking "What the fuck?" (Pun not intended.)

I've always had one mantra: Porn is for the lazy- minded.
... and the strong of wrist.

I had a female co-worker who got pissed when she was looking for Muppet Babies sites for her newborn daughter and ended up on a porn site.

man she was PISSED!! :D
Worst one, I was introducing my step-father to the Internet. I pulled up Dogpile (This was BG) and typed in carburetors, first site that popped up was an S&M site in San Francisco. My step-father just looked at me for a bit before saying, "Well, I see why you like this so much."

Well, technically since it didn't involve a real child... *is still gagging anyway*

Of course Congress attemtped to stop this and wrote a bill that would have made Titanic child porn. What what what?

BTW, not all hentai is tenticles. There's some nice ones out there too.
Well TG me some 'nice sites', because I didn't like the little I did see....creepy.

Worst one, I was introducing my step-father to the Internet. I pulled up Dogpile (This was BG) and typed in carburetors, first site that popped up was an S&M site in San Francisco. My step-father just looked at me for a bit before saying, "Well, I see why you like this so much."
At least the man has a sense of humor! That's priceless.

What what what?
They wrote a bill (It failed) that made the depiction of any child, real or not, in a state of undress to be illegal. Said bill also included a provision that would have included any depiction of an adult potraying a child (defined as under 18) where it is believeable that the character is under 18, illegal.

Rose in Titanic (that nude scene and sex scene) is 17 in the film. As it was pointed out, that law would have made the movie illegal and child porn.

Your tax dollars at work. :D

Well TG me some 'nice sites', because I didn't like the little I did see....creepy.
Well, sites I cannot do due to having removed them from my bookmarks, I can give you some movie titles though.

Well TG me some 'nice sites', because I didn't like the little I did see....creepy.I know they are those out there... just damn too few get imported.

some of "Creamy Lemon" series are actually love stories... with a little more emphasis on the love.

At least the man has a sense of humor! That's priceless.
Oh he does, he does. And he has enjoyed teasing me about this for years.

At least the man has a sense of humor! That's priceless.
Remember this link (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5452982579545117880)?

I had a student search 'World War II' and end up with porn. It's hard to filter, even in schools. Especially in schools.

Yet if you look for DonkeyPr0n you get a load of sites about Truman, what're the odds?

Scanning for child porn....
Scanning for intravenous drug use...
Scanning for bongs or spliffs...
Scanning for unpatriotic furniture...
Scanning for disgruntled appearence...

Why not extend the program to cover videophones (we have them in Europe y'know) and multimedia messages. IM videochats too, why not. After all it's part of the GWOT and won't someone please think of the children!

On one hand, this is good to help track the child porn rings and eventually (hopefully) get to the ones creating said images (Though how much time before new technology is used to change the digital signature of such images to allow it past such filters is probably messured in days), but on the other hand...


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060627/ap_on_hi_te/internet_child_porn

On the other hand, this is the same DoJ who is now making it a top mission to go after (their idea of) obsene pornography depicting adults and enjoyed by adults. And if the technology IS in place...

Someone please tell me I'm being paranoid...
You're not being paraniod. Just because they're putting the infrastructure in place to act against pedophiles doesn't mean you normal people won't be on the chopping block soon enough.

It's surprising how rare it is for people to realise this. You should really pat yourself on the back for coming to that conclusion.

Bah random immage stuffing will get over that ... already a way to get around filesize filters

Or once all existing CP images have been so recorded and flagged, it'll just create a massive demand for mew materials that haven't been recorded to be created. Then as those are recorded, more material will have to be created, and nothing will change except the rates of people making kiddie porn will skyrocket and new stuff will be coming out weekly.

And this is supposed to *stop* kiddie porn?

Kiddy porners don't tend to store them on public servers. One of the reasons for the growth of the USB memory sticks. Carry your crap and hide it pretty well.

And no I don't do this you sick blankety blanks!

A guy mentioned it in a security conference!
You'll be amazed how much technology is driven by porn.
why did Video recorders, VHS, DVD, internet, broadband, DVD R/W, memory sticks, external HDD etc get so popular and prevalent?
Porn.
Honestly. Once ppl realise that the new technology makes porn easier to acquire, sales go through the roof.


My advice: If you're ever in a position to support a new tech, look at it from the view of a porn-addicted degenerate. If the new tech will make porn easier to come by, invest. Heavily.

You're not being paraniod. Just because they're putting the infrastructure in place to act against pedophiles doesn't mean you normal people won't be on the chopping block soon enough.

It's surprising how rare it is for people to realise this. You should really pat yourself on the back for coming to that conclusion.
That's exactly why I'm against these databases, turning over users surfing history, search results, etc. Interesting, that Google isn't chipping in on this one either. Part of their feud with the DOJ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/19/AR2006011903331_pf.html) about not turning over search results?

Remember this link (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5452982579545117880)?
LMFAO!
That's beyond priceless!

How would this technology be even slightly useful? There are so many ways of changing file hashes. The entire point is that one small change in the input is a big change on the hash... So change a single pixel. If you change the size too, well...
Never mind that lots of other (perfectly harmless) files could come up with the same hash, too. And you could just group a load together into an encrypted archive.
Complete waste of time and money, I recon, and whilst it's inevitably going to be misused later on to spy on what normal people get up to it's so useless that I don't imagine it'll actually be anything to worry about even then.

And I don't know where you're surfing for porn, Sinuhue, I've very rarely came across anything I found objectionable. I have reasonably conservative tastes there, too. :D
(Although the funniest thing I've ever seen was a midget sex gallery :D )

Someone please tell me I'm being paranoid...Being paranoid and being correct aren't mutually exclusive.

That's exactly why I'm against these databases, turning over users surfing history, search results, etc. Interesting, that Google isn't chipping in on this one either. Part of their feud with the DOJ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/19/AR2006011903331_pf.html) about not turning over search results?
At least some one is telling the intrusive, bound-leaping bastards where they can stick it.

Child porn doesn't disgust me. Neither does animal porn or any other porn. Pretty much the only things that do disgust comes from the political sphere. That said I don't get my porn fixes from kiddie porn or animals since it isn't arousing.

And those databases...uh-uuh, bad idea. It's a slippery slope but since some nations have war on [whatever] it fits the times.