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Just thought I would introduce some levity to a fairly unfunny forum today.

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Just thought I would introduce some levity to a fairly unfunny forum today.

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And Yah Boo Sucks too the Pope. They wonder why church attendences are dropping.

Here we go
THE Pope has called for an end to electric guitars and modern music being played in Church and demanded a return to traditional choirs and Gregorian chants.

The Catholic Church has been experimenting with new ways of holding Mass to try to attract more people. The recital of Mass set to guitars has grown in popularity in Italy.

In Spain Mass has been set to flamenco music and in the United States the Electric Prunes produced a "psychedelic" album called Mass in F Minor.

However, the use of guitars and tambourines has irked Pope Benedict, who loves classical music.

Harmony

"It is possible to modernise holy music," the Pope said, at a concert conducted by Domenico Bartolucci, the director of music at the Sistine Chapel. "But it should not happen outside the traditional path of Gregorian chants or sacred polyphonic choral music."

His comments prompted the newspaper La Stampa to compare him with Pope Pius X, who denounced faddish classical and baroque compositions and reinstated Gregorian chants.

Benedict XVI's supporters argue that the music played during Mass is a vital part of the communion between worshippers and God and that medieval church music, with the liturgy, creates the correct ambience for perceiving God's mystery.

"It is often forgotten that the liturgy is not a symbol but rather a truth," said Cardinal Ersilio Tonini, the Archbishop of Ravenna.

"Mass is the presence of Christ and the music adds so much more when the harmony allows the mind to transcend the concrete to the divine."

However, Cardinal Carlo Furno, the grand master of the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem, said it was "better to have guitars on the altar and rock and roll Masses than empty churches".

He said the use of modern music was a "sign of the vitality of the faith".

The argument about modern or traditional music is part of a wider debate over whether to return to a Latin Mass. If Latin Masses are not reintroduced into common practice, few Catholics will know the words to the Latin Gregorian chants which the Pope advocates.

The Latin Mass was restricted in the Vatican II reforms of the 1960s, on the grounds that they were deterring worshippers from going to Church. However, Msgr Malcolm Ranjith Patabendig, the secretary of the Congregation of Divine Faith, said there is "a need to reinforce the conquests of the past".

He said the traditional Mass of St Pius V had "never been abolished". John Allen, the author of a biography on Pope Benedict, said he thought a "universal indulgence" would be issued to priests allowing them once again to say Mass in Latin whenever they wanted to.

Pope Benedict has also begun to reform the Roman Curia in his image, recently appointing Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone as his new secretary of state, the Vatican's equivalent of prime minister. Cardinal Bertone, 71, was the pope's right hand man at the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith for many years.

Malcolm Moore

Is this a trend?

Not that I go to Mass anymore, but yucch.

So is the next step to put the nuns back in their habits, and make the mass Latin again.

I always knew he was a Nazi.

Aw jeez.....

That would be embarrassing if I was still Catholic.

"It is often forgotten that the liturgy is not a symbol but rather a truth," said Cardinal Ersilio Tonini, the Archbishop of Ravenna.

Funny, symbols are representations of truth, and I thought all of the elements of a Mass were meant to be symbols that point to the truth of God interacting with us.

As a musician I found this pretty damn funny.

"It is possible to modernise holy music ... But it should not happen outside the traditional path of Gregorian chants or sacred polyphonic choral music."

LOL!

That's like saying, "It is possible to modernise military technology, but it should not happen outside the traditional path of using spears and bows to make raids on the enemy tribe."

Is this a trend?

Not that I go to Mass anymore, but yucch.

So is the next step to put the nuns back in their habits, and make the mass Latin again.

I always knew he was a Nazi.

:fluffle:

Awesome name too, BTW.

As a musician I found this pretty damn funny.



LOL!

That's like saying, "It is possible to modernise military technology, but it should not happen outside the traditional path of using spears and bows to make raids on the enemy tribe."
Oh yeah?

Bring forth the holy hand grenade!

That's like saying, "It is possible to modernise military technology, but it should not happen outside the traditional path of using spears and bows to make raids on the enemy tribe."

An entirely sensible attitude that I try to encourage in all of my targets... er, neighbors, I mean.

And you have to love this pope. Full speed backwards to the Middle Ages! Next he'll get rid of the way-too-politically-correct name of the "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith", and give it back its old name: the "Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition"!
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An entirely sensible attitude that I try to encourage in all of my targets... er, neighbors, I mean.


Oh, I agree. Maybe we'd think twice about going to war if our soldiers had to stab enemy civilians with spears. On live TV.


And you have to love this pope. Full speed backwards to the Middle Ages! Next he'll get rid of the way-too-politically-correct name of the "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith", and give it back its old name: the "Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition"!
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Yes, Pope Palpatine is quite the refreshing change from that lovable, forgiving, understanding and open-minded Pope John. And by "refreshing" I mean "very disturbing."

And I thought he was going to order a few marching songs! ;)

Well, he's taking us to Hel-- I mean, the Middle Ages in a hand basket! Someone had to do it! :(

Well, he's taking us to Hel-- I mean, the Middle Ages in a hand basket! Someone had to do it! :(

Well it's not like he could take us in the Popemobile. Much too modern.

Well, he's taking us to Hel-- I mean, the Middle Ages in a hand basket! Someone had to do it! :(

NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!

Or whatever they called his old postion now. ;)

Well, he's taking us to Hel-- I mean, the Middle Ages in a hand basket! Someone had to do it! :(
Hell, the Middle Ages - same difference. They're so much alike that if you're in one, it's easy to think you're actually in the other. Except there were fewer Barry Manilow songs in the Middle Ages; apart from that, they're virtually indistinguishable.

There's a committee in Hell (everything in Hell is done by committee) preparing a special place for Benedict. They're working overtime, because he's expected soon. But they'll be ready.
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Wait until he brings back flagellation.

Yes, Pope Palpatine is quite the refreshing change from that lovable, forgiving, understanding and open-minded Pope John. And by "refreshing" I mean "very disturbing."
LOL!

"It is possible to modernise holy music," the Pope said, ... "But it should not happen outside the traditional path of Gregorian chants or sacred polyphonic choral music."Ya know... I think we could indeed include rap and hip hop in that definition. :D

Personally, i can't stand christian rock. It's awful, at least with more traditional music, the people look more sensible and dignified.

Wait until he brings back flagellation.

Shouldn't be too long...

Shouldn't be too long...
That's going to make stations of the Cross a bit harder...

Please tell me this is a joke? Of course I'm not catholic but I do have family and friends that are :D

Anyways.....

Please tell me this is a joke? Of course I'm not catholic but I do have family and friends that are :D

Anyways.....

Not a joke.

Not a joke.

Just because he likes classical...the rest of the Catholic Faith has to suffer? Isnt't that selfish and prideful? I like this so this is how it is going to be?

Just because he likes classical...the rest of the Catholic Faith has to suffer? Isnt't that selfish and prideful? I like this so this is how it is going to be?

It's called "he's the Pope".

Just because he likes classical...the rest of the Catholic Faith has to suffer? Isnt't that selfish and prideful? I like this so this is how it is going to be?
At least he is not trying to cover it up with some obscure bit of the bible or another like normal papal imperatives

It's called "he's the Pope".

Now I know why I"m not Catholic :D

At least he is not trying to cover it up with some obscure bit of the bible or another like normal papal imperatives

Now that is true.

Well, at least he can be voted out of office in four years.

:eek:

Oops!

Well, at least he can be voted out of office in four years.

:eek:

Oops!
He probably will be, but by DEATH. We need a black, lesbian, female with a hairy upper lip and a foreskin on her nose as Pope.

He probably will be, but by DEATH. We need a black, lesbian, female with a hairy upper lip and a foreskin on her nose as Pope.

But you'll probably get some old pedophile with rotten taste in music.

And breaking news, Pope Palatine approves the Imperial March for Eucharist playback.

Woot! I'm converting to Catholicism to get my fill of classical music. Actually, I really couldn't care less. They could resurrect Beethoven and I still wouldn't like them.