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I took my little brother to school yesterday, and I noticed that some little girls were wearing make-up, jewellery and heels. I think this is okay every now and then, but not for everyday wear. Kids are supposed to play, get a little dirty, run around. I think this is important if you want your child to have a healthy active life as they get older. Should parents dress their daughters like this at such a young age? Is it okay for little girls to wear heels or should they run around in jeans and trainers (sneakers)? I think parents shouldn't send their daughters to school like this, it should be up to the girl to decide when to start worrying about her appearence. Save the pretty dresses for special occasions, I say.

Tell me what you lot think.

It really depends. I'd need more information.

If this is what the child wants and her behavior determines her mode of dress, then that's fine.

If the parent is treating her daughter like a living barbie-doll and forcing certain behavioral standards to benefit that image then it sounds like an unhealthy fixation.

But I'd need to know the child and parent better to really make that decision.

In the meantime, I recommend that the little boys throw muddy worms at the girls in their dresses. :)

Nobody should ever wear heels. They're trashy. Period.

As for daughters, I find many people will tart up their daughters and not even realise it. I like to smack those parents.

Kids these days. Or any days.

Herodotus observed of the Egyptians, 2,500 years ago,

"As they travel on toward Bubastis and come near some other city...(the women) scream obscentities in derision of the women who live in the city, and others of them set to dancing, and still others, standing up, throw their clothes open to show their nakedness. They do this at every city along the riverbank."

People are no different than they ever have been.

It's really up to the parents, I suppose.

However, my girls and I dress modestly and with respect for ourselves, even if it does mean no mini skirts, belly shirts, or pants with "hottie" on the butt.

It's a cultural thing I guess, people don't understand why my 5 year old doesn't have a bikini......or even why I don't have one.

Did they stand by the corner and offer their services as well?

Parents can be so trashy.

In the meantime, I recommend that the little boys throw muddy worms at the girls in their dresses. :)

Yay! :)

Nobody should ever wear heels. They're trashy. Period.

And they look painful. Wear something comfortable, ladies, we really don't care all that much.

Nobody should ever wear heels. They're trashy. Period.

As for daughters, I find many people will tart up their daughters and not even realise it. I like to smack those parents.

What? Not even the artist formerly known as prince?

He looks damn spiffy in heels.

Legend has it Humphrey Bogart was known to add height through built up heels also.

And they look painful. Wear something comfortable, ladies, we really don't care all that much.
HEre's one woman who hates heels.

My future sister-in-law insisted that my flats were making my pants drag on the ground and that I needed something higher. The group was heading to a really fancy place and she seemed to think my shoes weren't dressy enough, even though they were flat, leather strap sandles.

Nevertheless, I tried the heels... biggest mistake of my life. I couldn't walk! Horrible, horrible experience!

Heels are a cruelty, at least from what I've seen.

As for the rest of it, some girls dress like that because they want to. Me, I'm more concerned about the 13-year-olds who can pass for 16+* but this kind of thing doesn't help...

*Brit checking in. You guys with different ages of consent can see waht I mean I'm sure.

Kids should be kids... run around and go crazy. The heels and the makeup can wait until much much later.

Nobody should ever wear heels. They're trashy. Period.


Class or Crass? :p


Ive got 54321
Ive got a red pair of high-heels on
Tumble me over, it doesnt take much
Tumble me over, tumble me, push
In my red high-heels Ive no control
The rituals of repression are so old
You can do what you like, therell be no reprisal
Im yours, yes Im yours, its my means of survival

Ive got 54321
Come on my love, I know youre strong
Push me hard, make me stagger
The pain in my back just doesnt matter
You force-hold me above the ground
I cant get away, my feet are bound
So Im bound to say
That Im bound to stay

Well today I look so good
Just like I know I should
My breasts to tempt inside my bra
My face is painted like a movie star
Ive studied my flaws in your reflection
And put them to rights with savage correction
Ive turned my statuesque perfection
And shone it over in your direction
So come on darling, make me yours
Trip me over, show me the floor
Tease me, tease me, make me stay
In my red high-heels I cant get away
Im trussed and bound like an oven ready bird
But I bleed without dying and I wont say a word
Slice my flesh and Ill ride the scar
Put me into gear like your lady car
Drive me fast and crash me crazy
Ill rise from the wreckage as fresh as a daisy
These wounds leave furrows as they heal
Ive travelled them, theyre red and real
I know them well, theyre part of me
My birth, my sex, my history
They grew with me, my closest friend
My pains my own, my pains my end
Clip my wings so you know where I am
I cant get lost while youre my man
Tame me so I know your call
Ive stabbed my heels so I am tall
Ive bound my twisted falling fall
Beautiful mute against the wall
Beautifully mutilated as I fall
Use me, dont lose me

Ive got 54321
Ive got a red pair of high-heels on
Strap my ankles, break my heels
Make me kneel, make me feel
Turn, turn, turn, like a clockwork doll
Put in your key and give me a whirl
Tease me, tease me, the reason to play
In my red high-heels I cant get away
Ill be your bonsai, your beautiful bonsai
Your black-eyed bonsai, erotically rotting
Will my tiny feet fit your desire?
Warped and tied I walk on fire
Burn me out, twist my wrists
I promise not to shout, beat me with your fists
Squeeze me, squeeze me, make me feel
In my red high-heels Im an easy kill
Tease me, Tease me, make me see
Youre the only one, I need to be me
Thankyou, will you take me?
Thankyou, will you make me?
Thankyou, will you break me?
Use me, dont lose me
Taste me, dont waste me
Use, lose, taste, waste.

HEre's one woman who hates heels.

My future sister-in-law insisted that my flats were making my pants drag on the ground and that I needed something higher. The group was heading to a really fancy place and she seemed to think my shoes weren't dressy enough, even though they were flat, leather strap sandles.

Nevertheless, I tried the heels... biggest mistake of my life. I couldn't walk! Horrible, horrible experience!
being a short person (5ft1in) it's always the case that my pants drag the ground, I have figured out recently that I don't have to wear heels if I just get my pants tailored......go figure:p

I hate heels, they are uncomfortable, make my back hurt, and I feel they are deceptive........

or at least those are my excuses. I was to be a bridesmaid for my friend once, she picked out our outfits down to the shoes, which were 5in. heels, I refused to wear them. She made me get a doctor's note:rolleyes: then she decided to do a backless dress.....I backed out. Looking back I think she picked the backless dress so that she could get rid of me LOL

The only time I wear heels is for band concerts (thrice a year). Otherwise I'd shoot myself.

What ever happened to the little flowery dresses and straw boaters that little girls had to wear during the summer at school

The only time I wear heels is for band concerts (thrice a year). Otherwise I'd shoot myself.

How on earth do you do a concert in heels? Unless you're sitting down playing piano or something.

I find it kinda wrong and always feel a bit icky about it.

Next second, I scold myself for being "too old and apparently out of touch". Hmph.

How on earth do you do a concert in heels? Unless you're sitting down playing piano or something.
We get sit in black dresses, shoes, and hose under ultra-bright stage lights with a bunch of parents staring at you...not the best of situations.

And they look painful.
They are.
Wear something comfortable, ladies, we really don't care all that much. Hmm, you might have to take that argument up with PM. :p

I find it kinda wrong and always feel a bit icky about it.

Next second, I scold myself for being "too old and apparently out of touch". Hmph.

Absolutely - you need to get in touch and realise that children are now fashion commodities rather than mere offspring. Britney Spears has one, Tom Cruise has one - why don't you? Don't you wanna be cool or something? You can always just throw it out when it goes out of fashion again.

What ever happened to the little flowery dresses and straw boaters that little girls had to wear during the summer at school
They went out with the horse-drawn carriage?

Hmm, you might have to take that argument up with PM. :p

I have in the past :p

We get sit in black dresses, shoes, and hose under ultra-bright stage lights with a bunch of parents staring at you...not the best of situations.

Oh, I see, it's one of those school things. I avoided those. What do you play, or do you sing?

I'm a teenager and I have never truly felt the need for make-up or heels or basically looking like a hoe-bag...a slut at my school was told by a redneck that she was a hoe-bag...so funny :D

I have in the past :p



Oh, I see, it's one of those school things. I avoided those. What do you play, or do you sing?
Clarinet...would rather be an oboe, but :cool:

Absolutely - you need to get in touch and realise that children are now fashion commodities rather than mere offspring. Britney Spears has one, Tom Cruise has one - why don't you? Don't you wanna be cool or something? You can always just throw it out when it goes out of fashion again.
:p I was thinking a tad older on part of the kids.
But seriously, look at young kids these days - they really do grow up faster and faster. Little girls get breasts and their period much, much earlier than even 10 years ago.
I look at them (and it's really mostly girls, very probably exactly because of the clothes & makeup) in the subway and I literally have no idea how old they could possibly be - my experience says "16", but what they talk about, and their child-like "accessories" like book bags or sticker books, says "12".

Hell, I've more than once thought that I'm quite happy I'm not a 18 year-old guy today - you're almost with one foot in jail.

They went out with the horse-drawn carriage?

Oh no, I think the little grils just found out that straw boaters were flammable!

I have to say, it's hardly surprising that these girls dress up in heels and makeup because they really want to look older, just as many kids do - the teenage syndrome of fitting in and looking older and cool now seems to start earlier. People were worried when Barbie first came out at the image it was setting for little girls - but look at Bratz. Even the fact that it's called 'Bratz'! Our society constantly infantalises women - they must be slim and reedy with almost no feminine features, ie flat-chested, slim hipped, sticklegged and hairless. A profile that fits children better than it does adults. With the boundary between childhood and adulthood being constantly blurred, is it any wonder kids play dress-up every day of their lives?

Oh yes, and I wear heels sometimes, but mainly I wear these crazy three inch platform heels. They make me 5 foot 2 inches tall (yes, I'm 4'11", and I'm 20, so I'm not growing any taller) but are surprisingly comfortable and I can run in them comfortably. Mad creatures we are

I only wear my thigh-highs with 7 inch heels when I go to the halloween masquerade fetish ball - once a year is all my feet can take.

Parents aren't doing nothing except encouraging child molesters :sniper: and i added that because.

I took my little brother to school yesterday, and I noticed that some little girls were wearing make-up, jewellery and heels. I think this is okay every now and then, but not for everyday wear. Kids are supposed to play, get a little dirty, run around. I think this is important if you want your child to have a healthy active life as they get older. Should parents dress their daughters like this at such a young age? Is it okay for little girls to wear heels or should they run around in jeans and trainers (sneakers)? I think parents shouldn't send their daughters to school like this, it should be up to the girl to decide when to start worrying about her appearence. Save the pretty dresses for special occasions, I say.

Tell me what you lot think.
No women should wear high heels, because they lead to potentially serious problems with joints and lower back. Most makeup is bad for the skin, and should likewise be avoided by everybody. Aside from that, who cares?

Well, I'm a teenage girl... *pauses*
*is laughed out of forum as a large tumbleweed rolls by*
Anyway. I never feel any particular urge to wear high heels, cover my face in make up or try to look 3 years older than I really am. But that may just be me. I don't notice many younger children wearing really slutty clothes... well, I saw that nine year old girl wearing a mini skirt and putting on lip gloss, which alarmed me a little. *shrugs* Maybe that's normal nowadays. I'm not sure.

Parents aren't doing nothing except encouraging child molesters :sniper: and i added that because.
Make-up now, myspace tomorrow, molester the next day...not a happy agenda.

I have to say, it's hardly surprising that these girls dress up in heels and makeup because they really want to look older, just as many kids do - the teenage syndrome of fitting in and looking older and cool now seems to start earlier. People were worried when Barbie first came out at the image it was setting for little girls - but look at Bratz. Even the fact that it's called 'Bratz'! Our society constantly infantalises women - they must be slim and reedy with almost no feminine features, ie flat-chested, slim hipped, sticklegged and hairless. A profile that fits children better than it does adults. With the boundary between childhood and adulthood being constantly blurred, is it any wonder kids play dress-up every day of their lives?
I agree, except for the part with the "flat-chested". I think that's only true for runway models. Apart from that, it's quite the opposite, really, helped not least by readily available breast enlargement surgery.

Which makes the whole thing even creepier, because you get the childlike features (slim hipped, stick legged, hairless) combined with the most obvious female secondary sex organ, breasts. And big ones, if you please.

Eeek.

I took my little brother to school yesterday, and I noticed that some little girls were wearing make-up, jewellery and heels. I think this is okay every now and then, but not for everyday wear. Kids are supposed to play, get a little dirty, run around. I think this is important if you want your child to have a healthy active life as they get older. Should parents dress their daughters like this at such a young age? Is it okay for little girls to wear heels or should they run around in jeans and trainers (sneakers)? I think parents shouldn't send their daughters to school like this, it should be up to the girl to decide when to start worrying about her appearence. Save the pretty dresses for special occasions, I say.

Tell me what you lot think.


Look your little brother is growing up, you have to accept it. I know where you're coming from, it's bad enough when you hit a certain age but when your little brother/sister is that age it really hits home. Now that your brother is in University you have to accept that he has to make his own decisions and so do his friends.

I agree, except for the part with the "flat-chested". I think that's only true for runway models. Apart from that, it's quite the opposite, really, helped not least by readily available breast enlargement surgery.

Which makes the whole thing even creepier, because you get the childlike features (slim hipped, stick legged, hairless) combined with the most obvious female secondary sex organ, breasts. And big ones, if you please.

Eeek.
*cough* Pamela Anderson *cough,cough*

I guess I'm lucky to live where I do, cause I don't see little girls with with bad clothing and make-up and stuff. I think those things should be for dressing-up only until they're old enough. I guess there'll always be the 'princess-syndrome', but as long as perants keep an eye on their kids, it should be okay.

I too worry more about 13 year old girls... Looking as thrashy as some of them do, it can't be good. Make-up is another thing for me. I myself started wearing make-up around 14, and really dark make-up (black lipstick and stuff) about a year or so later, though not very often (I'm too lazy...>.>)

About heels: if people want to wear them - fine. I love platformboots, other heels just aren't my thing. Just don't let little girls wear them, it's prolly bad for their back, too.

But I think a lot of girls these days should learn something about clothing... Like, it's supposed to COVER UP your body, not expose it...>.>"

Eeek.

Quite. Out here at the foot of the Rockies, we've just heard of the death of JonBenet Ramsay's mother. This, naturally, prompted the Media to dig out all the pictures of that poor little girl all tarted up like ... I don't even know what words to use, but certainly "little girl" are in it.

Parents aren't doing nothing except encouraging child molesters

*uses twisted logic*

If you make your children dress older, are they still going to appeal to pedophiles?


:D

I guess I'm lucky to live where I do, cause I don't see little girls with with bad clothing and make-up and stuff. I think those things should be for dressing-up only until they're old enough. I guess there'll always be the 'princess-syndrome', but as long as perants keep an eye on their kids, it should be okay.

I too worry more about 13 year old girls... Looking as thrashy as some of them do, it can't be good. Make-up is another thing for me. I myself started wearing make-up around 14, and really dark make-up (black lipstick and stuff) about a year or so later, though not very often (I'm too lazy...>.>)

About heels: if people want to wear them - fine. I love platformboots, other heels just aren't my thing. Just don't let little girls wear them, it's prolly bad for their back, too.

But I think a lot of girls these days should learn something about clothing... Like, it's supposed to COVER UP your body, not expose it...>.>"

Amen. My parents instilled in me a great respect for modesty and comfortability.

*uses twisted logic*

If you make your children dress older, are they still going to appeal to pedophiles?


:D
Lol. :p

http://www.acclaimimages.com/_gallery/_TN/0095-0508-2114-5638_TN.jpg

Kinda like this?

Lol. :p

http://www.acclaimimages.com/_gallery/_TN/0095-0508-2114-5638_TN.jpg

Kinda like this?
rofl :D
Show that to all child molesters, that'll take care of them.

I took my little brother to school yesterday, and I noticed that some little girls were wearing make-up, jewellery and heels. I think this is okay every now and then, but not for everyday wear. Kids are supposed to play, get a little dirty, run around. I think this is important if you want your child to have a healthy active life as they get older. Should parents dress their daughters like this at such a young age? Is it okay for little girls to wear heels or should they run around in jeans and trainers (sneakers)? I think parents shouldn't send their daughters to school like this, it should be up to the girl to decide when to start worrying about her appearence. Save the pretty dresses for special occasions, I say.

Tell me what you lot think.

Jewelry is fine. Make-up and heels, though... No. How old were these girls? If they were eight or nine, then definitely not, but if they're eleven or twelve, I guess it's okay.

When I lived in the UK nobody at my school wore make-up and heels unless they were playing dress-up in their mothers' closets. Maybe things have changed since 1996-97, but then again I was about four or five years old at the time. It's been eight years since I moved back to the States but I have yet to see any little girl under the age of ten wear make-up and heels regularly to school. Maybe it's just culture, or the parents are crazy. They're kids, not hookers! :rolleyes:

They're kids, not hookers! :rolleyes:
Are you sure?

Btw I'm not talking about teenagers, at that age they make up their own mind about how thay choose to dress. My brothers class is full of 6/7 year olds, and I've seen even younger girls being dressed like this. I don't see why parents would buy these clothes for their daughters and tell them that this is how they should look. They should give them clothes suitable for playing in and tell them to go out and get some exercise. Ride those tricycles or run around in the school fields, for older kids play football/netball. Not just sit around because their feet hurt when they run, or because they are afraid of being told off for getting their pretty clothes muddy. Let your kids be kids. Let them play.

I am 16, the age when everyone dresses in Abercrombie, American Eagle, and that type or is considered not good enough. I own one pair of heels, which aren't even that high, and I only wear those for proms. It is also only at these proms that I wear make-up. I do not own even one bikini and I would not be caught dead wearing anything less that shorts. Of course being tall, with long legs, is a problem cuz normal shorts are automatically short on me, so I prefer the long board shorts. I cover a very decent amount of skin and I am proud of how I look.

I see at the beach girls maybe 5 who wair as much as, or less than, girls my age. At their age, I wore sneakers, sweat pants, jeans, t-shirts. These clothes covered most of my skin. I want to shake sense into the parents of the girls wearing mini skirts, shirts that are cut low and end high. Girls should grow up respecting their bodies, not flaunting it for every hormonal guy they pass.

So maybe the high heels aren't that bad, though they've gotta be uncomfortable. But when the kids wear what the sluts on TV wear, our society has serious problems.

I am 16, the age when everyone dresses in Abercrombie, American Eagle, and that type or is considered not good enough. I own one pair of heels, which aren't even that high, and I only wear those for proms. It is also only at these proms that I wear make-up. I do not own even one bikini and I would not be caught dead wearing anything less that shorts. Of course being tall, with long legs, is a problem cuz normal shorts are automatically short on me, so I prefer the long board shorts. I cover a very decent amount of skin and I am proud of how I look.

I see at the beach girls maybe 5 who wair as much as, or less than, girls my age. At their age, I wore sneakers, sweat pants, jeans, t-shirts. These clothes covered most of my skin. I want to shake sense into the parents of the girls wearing mini skirts, shirts that are cut low and end high. Girls should grow up respecting their bodies, not flaunting it for every hormonal guy they pass.

So maybe the high heels aren't that bad, though they've gotta be uncomfortable. But when the kids wear what the sluts on TV wear, our society has serious problems.

As a sixteen year old boy don't you think you should be wearing long trousers by now?

Btw I'm not talking about teenagers, at that age they make up their own mind about how thay choose to dress. My brothers class is full of 6/7 year olds, and I've seen even younger girls being dressed like this. I don't see why parents would buy these clothes for their daughters and tell them that this is how they should look. They should give them clothes suitable for playing in and tell them to go out and get some exercise. Ride those tricycles or run around in the school fields, for older kids play football/netball. Not just sit around because their feet hurt when they run, or because they are afraid of being told off for getting their pretty clothes muddy. Let your kids be kids. Let them play.

:eek: 6-7 year olds?! Good God! If it were for Picture Day or a special occasion, I'd let a TEN year old go like that... But Jesus! A 6 year old?! My mother wouldn't have let me do that. I'm fourteen years old now and I don't wear make-up, jewelry, OR heels (bit lazy, tee hee...) But my sister (who is 12) wears make-up nearly every day, and low-cut shirts and very short skirts that I'm amazed she can walk around school in them and not get the "finger-tip test". But then again, my parents hardly ever let us wear stuff like that. When we were younger it was nearly impossible for me to wear jeans (I was such a girly-girl, yuck) and my sister had no trouble getting dirty playing sports. Ten years later... My sister's a girly girl (but still into sports) and I refuse to wear makeup except on special occasions (assuming my mother hasn't stolen it), but I still don't like sports much unless it's with the guys.

What I really wish would happen, though, is everyone stop separating girls and boys and make them do things that are "appropriate" for their gender. Different sets of genitals doesn't mean that boys must go play in the mud whereas girls must sit inside and look pretty.

While we're at it, burn all dresses and high heels. MUAH HA HA HA HA HA! :sniper:

I always find it a little disturbing when I see a little girl under the age of 10 or so wearing heels or makeup, and it's not a special occasion. There's really no need. When I was that young, I certainly didn't want to wear dresses or heels, I barely knew what makeup was, and my jewelry probably consisted of some plastic beads or something. All I wanted to do was run around and play outside, and dresses just got in the way.

As a sixteen year old boy don't you think you should be wearing long trousers by now?

That poster was a girl.:D

As a sixteen year old boy don't you think you should be wearing long trousers by now?
Can I laugh at you now? Seriously, wrong gender.

Which makes the whole thing even creepier, because you get the childlike features (slim hipped, stick legged, hairless) combined with the most obvious female secondary sex organ, breasts. And big ones, if you please.
:eek: Creepy indeed.

The only time I wear heels is when I don't plan to be on my feet.

I love chicks in heels!

I love chicks in heels!
Have you ever worn heels? They hurt like crazy...

In the meantime, I recommend that the little boys throw muddy worms at the girls in their dresses. :)
'tis only natural.

Might I recommend throwing worms at the teachers as well? And other kids parents!

When I used to work at Build-a-Bear Workshop, there was this 4-year old girl having a birthday party. She didn't want to hear the Build-a-Bear music. Instead she said she wants us to play Britney Spears so she hands us the CD, they play it, and she starts dancing like Britney.

...I'm not having daughters.

'tis only natural.

Might I recommend throwing worms at the teachers as well? And other kids parents!
Yay! I'll go get some trowels...

Have you ever worn heels? They hurt like crazy...
I've never found heels to be that excruciating, with the exception of one time when I wore stilettos and was on my feet for most of the day. Otherwise, most of the heels I own are pretty comfortable...

The only time I wear heels is when I don't plan to be on my feet.
Love it. :p

When I used to work at Build-a-Bear Workshop, there was this 4-year old girl having a birthday party. She didn't want to hear the Build-a-Bear music. Instead she said she wants us to play Britney Spears so she hands us the CD, they play it, and she starts dancing like Britney.

...I'm not having daughters.
Great...I was so going to work at Build-a-Bear and now I don't want to. Oh well, I can just become a hitman or something...

I've never found heels to be that excruciating, with the exception of one time when I wore stilettos and was on my feet for most of the day. Otherwise, most of the heels I own are pretty comfortable...
Maybe it's just me then...more strange than I already thought.

Great...I was so going to work at Build-a-Bear and now I don't want to. Oh well, I can just become a hitman or something...

Haha. I wouldn't say I want to go back there but I think working at that place is a rite of passage for any future fathers. You learn what you'll have to deal with. And some of the kids were well behaved and umm...not 'prostitots' as we call them. So you really enjoy those few.

Haha. I wouldn't say I want to go back there but I think working at that place is a rite of passage for any future fathers. You learn what you'll have to deal with. And some of the kids were well behaved and umm...not 'prostitots' as we call them. So you really enjoy those few.
I go to Girl Scout camp a lot. I'm great with girls but not so much with boys. VBS is torture for that. I want to learn more about how to work with kids, and that would be the place.

I live on libral long island ><, and i often find myself saying why do they wear anything at all? It's not like they aren't extremely exposed, this must be a problem with pervs, can't tell the hookers and legit folks apart, i find it quite scary that parents dress their children the same, i don't wanna see anyone wearing mini skirts especialy 3 year olds yeah i've seen it b4. As for the make up, whats the point? sounds like a waste of money, it's not like their trying to impress anyone. oh wait no the age for sex is getting lower and lower, better teach sex ed. at 2 or 4. And when you talk about nice clothes if you live in New York you might aswell dress your kids like that, they keep taking the fun out of recess, i've seen the coolest things taken from the play yard if thats what you'd call it, soon the slides will be gone, oh yeah, i wasn't aloud to run on or near cement, or trees, or metal, or walls... or anything thats not sand. This is whats happening, thank you librals.

It's not just the 'librals' fault. It's something more general in our society. Anything goes. The trouble with stamping this kind of thing out is it all gets started in the name of 'cuteness'. Almost every time I hear of some mother getting her daughter her first earrings, miniskirt, tubetop, etc. they always think it's cute because basically, it's putting adult clothes on children. We think that's funny at first. Wait till the local perv takes a gander at it though. :rolleyes:

It's not just the 'librals' fault. It's something more general in our society. Anything goes. The trouble with stamping this kind of thing out is it all gets started in the name of 'cuteness'. Almost every time I hear of some mother getting her daughter her first earrings, miniskirt, tubetop, etc. they always think it's cute because basically, it's putting adult clothes on children. We think that's funny at first. Wait till the local perv takes a gander at it though. :rolleyes:
Seriously. You go in Limited Too and it's nothing but tanks, tubes, and skirts. Makes me want to projectile vomit on the manager.

Seriously. You go in Limited Too and it's nothing but tanks, tubes, and skirts. Makes me want to projectile vomit on the manager.

And amazingly... it's advertised in nearly every commercial segment on Nickelodeon, and Disney Channel.

That's it, I'm not letting any of my daughters watch TV till they're 7 (granted I have any... it's in the distant future):sniper:

High heels could probably cause some posture problems in young, growing backs.

High heels could probably cause some posture problems in young, growing backs.
I should point out that I didn't see high-heels, but the heels I saw were big enough to make it difficult to run around in. That's the point I'm getting at here. Running is good for you, encouraging children to play outdoors will make them fit and healthy and so they will enjoy sports more as they get older. Exercise is good for you, as I'm sure many of you already know. Children should be taught to enjoy an active lifestyle, instead of watching six hours of TV a day.

What, like this?
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or this?

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or this?

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My grandfather's promised me that if I ever want to go hunting, he'll get me the gun. I think I might ask for one of those...

University of Western Ontario cheerleaders at the shooting range
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Using sex to sell firearms. That's a new one on me.

I took my little brother to school yesterday, and I noticed that some little girls were wearing make-up, jewellery and heels. I think this is okay every now and then, but not for everyday wear. Kids are supposed to play, get a little dirty, run around. I think this is important if you want your child to have a healthy active life as they get older. Should parents dress their daughters like this at such a young age? Is it okay for little girls to wear heels or should they run around in jeans and trainers (sneakers)? I think parents shouldn't send their daughters to school like this, it should be up to the girl to decide when to start worrying about her appearence. Save the pretty dresses for special occasions, I say.

Tell me what you lot think.

I think it's pretty sick to see this happening, but then again, I've seen children in 1st grade who have cellphones. What's wrong with that picture?

It's really up to the parents, I suppose.

However, my girls and I dress modestly and with respect for ourselves, even if it does mean no mini skirts, belly shirts, or pants with "hottie" on the butt.

It's a cultural thing I guess, people don't understand why my 5 year old doesn't have a bikini......or even why I don't have one.
I'm glad you exist. Thanks and keep it up. It can't be easy.

:confused: :eek: well girls want to deass like that so be it its not the parents descison or other peopel to judge them:sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :headbang: :headbang:

Haha. I wouldn't say I want to go back there but I think working at that place is a rite of passage for any future fathers. You learn what you'll have to deal with. And some of the kids were well behaved and umm...not 'prostitots' as we call them. So you really enjoy those few.
"Prostitots" -- good one. I use "tartlets" myself.

I have a simple rule for attire when it comes to junior and senior recitals at my college. "No crack in front or back."

:confused: :eek: well girls want to deass like that so be it its not the parents descison or other peopel to judge them:sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :headbang: :headbang:
Girls want to dress like that at such a young age because that is how their parents say girls should dress. I don't agree, seven year old girls shoudn't have to make such an effort to look nice. What is the point? They are just kids. They should be getting muddy and having fun, not being dressed up like dolls.

I will never be able to look at a woman the same again... that "smile" is HORRIBLE!!

Dude, that's his wife.

i propose a agae by age dress code. this will keep decency in the world and also help people know how old someone is just by looking at them.

0-2 there is no restricitions, what baby doesnt want to be naked

3-7 girls must wear either a pink long dress or pink overalls, for the boys its blue suit and blue pants with a blue t shirt

7-14 the same except girls will have a purple belt to wear and the boys will have a red stripe on their sleeves

14-18 girls can now wear skirts as high but not exceeding the knee and boys can now wear green shirts

19 and above, they are allowed to be whores if they wish

Dude, that's his wife.

:eek:

Girls want to dress like that at such a young age because that is how their parents say girls should dress. I don't agree, seven year old girls shoudn't have to make such an effort to look nice. What is the point? They are just kids. They should be getting muddy and having fun, not being dressed up like dolls.

That's right, this isn't generally a trend where the market demographic are really "deciding for themselves"; often, even young teens (13-14) are too easily bedazzled by marketing and ridiculous peer pressure to be said to be fully informed of the social consequences of a "look".

Yes, they make decisions, but not particularly well-informed decisions.

I work around middle-school kids; some of them (honest to God) still show traits of the concrete-thinking stage of mental development; they have yet learned how to really do abstract thinking with any facility...

The idea of, "What do you think such-and-such will think of you, if you dress or act this way?", just has no meaning at all to them. They don't think that far ahead and can't really "put themselves in others' shoes" yet.

They are being used by marketeers, and by some prevailing "fashion culture" that wants a) young girls to be overtly sexualized, and b) still be immature and infantile at the same time.

I have had to reprimand young women as old as 14 for SUCKING THEIR THUMBS IN CLASS.

They are not doing this because they are retarded or babyish. They are doing it because they see examples of thumb-sucking by grown women, portrayed as a sexual or flirtatious gesture, usually on BET or MTV affiliates. They see grown (and I use the term loosely) men approving of this.

I try to explain that they are being used.

That the kind of man who thinks that women being "baby girls" or young girls being "grown women" is all right, is a predator and a fucking scumbag...

That just because they see it on TV doesn't make it safe or correct to do...

That the "men" who promote these modes of dress don't care about girls at all, except as clothes-hanger models in the fashion industry, as sources of income...

That the "Baby Girl" tagline comes as a side-effect, because young-acting women are easier to use...

That these men are their enemies. And mine, because everytime one of these wretched vampires starts a new trend, he makes out all of us to be like him.

Look, I hate to sound like Andrea Dworkin (a person whom I have nothing but pity for), but TV and fashion aimed towards young girls is ruthlessly exploitative. It isn't a fair fight.

And it IS the parents' decision. Who-the-hell else is gonna fight for their kids? The fucking scumbag marketeers? TV stations? They have vested interests in keeping girls weak, stupid, and paying for the privelege of remaining so...

I didn't believe it. Until I saw it.

EDIT: In case my point isn't already hammered into the ground: Milburnburg, you're wrong. Beyond all measure, wrong.

i propose a agae by age dress code. this will keep decency in the world and also help people know how old someone is just by looking at them.

0-2 there is no restricitions, what baby doesnt want to be naked

3-7 girls must wear either a pink long dress or pink overalls, for the boys its blue suit and blue pants with a blue t shirt

7-14 the same except girls will have a purple belt to wear and the boys will have a red stripe on their sleeves.

14-18 girls can now wear skirts as high but not exceeding the knee and boys can now wear green shirts

19 and above, they are allowed to be whores if they wish

You might have a problem with this. My daughter was born hating pink. She would rip off any pink clothes saying "pink is for flowers and I'm not a flower".

You might have a problem with this. My daughter was born hating pink. She would rip off any pink clothes saying "pink is for flowers and I'm not a flower".

I like your daughter already.


(Ok, that sounds bad. But I didn't mean it in that way, honest)

I like your daughter already.


Dude, that's their daughter.

I took my little brother to school yesterday, and I noticed that some little girls were wearing make-up, jewellery and heels. I think this is okay every now and then, but not for everyday wear. Kids are supposed to play, get a little dirty, run around. I think this is important if you want your child to have a healthy active life as they get older. Should parents dress their daughters like this at such a young age? Is it okay for little girls to wear heels or should they run around in jeans and trainers (sneakers)? I think parents shouldn't send their daughters to school like this, it should be up to the girl to decide when to start worrying about her appearence. Save the pretty dresses for special occasions, I say.

Tell me what you lot think.

Your little brother eh? How old are you? Are you sure you haven't misinterpretted what you have seen? Are you sure there was no school program, picture day or Dress-Up Friday? As a mom, I quit "dressing" my daughter in preschool. She dressed herself from the age of four, whether it matched or not. Did you mom dress you in grade school? I suspect these little girls, as you call them, (I am sure to me, YOU would be a little girl) dressed themselves and their parents chose, for one reason or another, to allow it. We have to pick our battles, you know, or risk being overly-controlling.

Dude, that's their daughter.


...you're a testicle.

Look, I'm a pedophile, and even I disaprove of young kids dressing like whores. I agree that they should be dressed in something they can play in.

Why do people automatically assume pedophiles are the ones pushing this? I personally want kids to be happy, not uncomfortable living dolls for their parents to play dress up with.

Parents aren't doing nothing except encouraging child molesters :sniper: and i added that because.

Not the greatest, best thought out, first post I have ever seen....

Look your little brother is growing up, you have to accept it. I know where you're coming from, it's bad enough when you hit a certain age but when your little brother/sister is that age it really hits home. Now that your brother is in University you have to accept that he has to make his own decisions and so do his friends.

LOL <snort!>

Quite. Out here at the foot of the Rockies, we've just heard of the death of JonBenet Ramsay's mother. This, naturally, prompted the Media to dig out all the pictures of that poor little girl all tarted up like ... I don't even know what words to use, but certainly "little girl" are in it.

I was surprized to hear she died...and then dissappointed that there was no death bed confession... Will we EVER know?

Look, I'm a pedophile, and even I disaprove of young kids dressing like whores. I agree that they should be dressed in something they can play in.

Why do people automatically assume pedophiles are the ones pushing this? I personally want kids to be happy, not uncomfortable living dolls for their parents to play dress up with.

Now see, I would have thought that was obvious. Pedophiles are attracted to children, not adults...

...you're a testicle.

Dude, that's my testicle.

Well it could have been his wife, you never know.

I hate seeing like 10yr olds in mini skirts..

*shiver*

Not nice.

It's not just the 'librals' fault. It's something more general in our society. Anything goes. The trouble with stamping this kind of thing out is it all gets started in the name of 'cuteness'. Almost every time I hear of some mother getting her daughter her first earrings, miniskirt, tubetop, etc. they always think it's cute because basically, it's putting adult clothes on children. We think that's funny at first. Wait till the local perv takes a gander at it though. :rolleyes:

No its not just the liberals. My town just hosted Country Stampede, the annual Woodstock-like country music festical where people of all ages are drunk, topless and smeared in mud. Redneck republican goat-ropers can get awful nasty if'n they's feelin' rowdy~!

No its not just the liberals. My town just hosted Country Stampede, the annual Woodstock-like country music festical where people of all ages are drunk, topless and smeared in mud. Redneck republican goat-ropers can get awful nasty if'n they's feelin' rowdy~!

As the inabitants of Abu Ghraib discovered.

No its not just the liberals. My town just hosted Country Stampede, the annual Woodstock-like country music festical where people of all ages are drunk, topless and smeared in mud. Redneck republican goat-ropers can get awful nasty if'n they's feelin' rowdy~!

Republicans are sounding better and better.

Your little brother eh? How old are you? Are you sure you haven't misinterpretted what you have seen? Are you sure there was no school program, picture day or Dress-Up Friday? As a mom, I quit "dressing" my daughter in preschool. She dressed herself from the age of four, whether it matched or not. Did you mom dress you in grade school? I suspect these little girls, as you call them, (I am sure to me, YOU would be a little girl) dressed themselves and their parents chose, for one reason or another, to allow it. We have to pick our battles, you know, or risk being overly-controlling.
To answer your questions: It was just an ordinary monday at school, my brother didn't wear anything special as he would if it was dress-up day. I am twenty years old. You probably think I know nothing seeing as I am so young and don't have children myself, I don't really care what you think.

The way I see it is that children can choose what to wear each day, but it is their parents who buy the clothes for them. You don't just allow children to dress like that, you must be encouraging it as well if you are actually buying this stuff for them.

Now see, I would have thought that was obvious. Pedophiles are attracted to children, not adults...
I would have thought so too. I mean it's kind of the definition.

Sometimes I wonder about people.

To answer your questions: It was just an ordinary monday at school, my brother didn't wear anything special as he would if it was dress-up day. I am twenty years old. You probably think I know nothing seeing as I am so young and don't have children myself, I don't really care what you think.

The way I see it is that children can choose what to wear each day, but it is their parents who buy the clothes for them. You don't just allow children to dress like that, you must be encouraging it as well if you are actually buying this stuff for them.

At the same tme you cannot allow fear of perverts to dictate your life. Everyone will end up in Purdah living in houses with no external windows and courtyard gardens. Like the Islamic types.

Perhaps it's best to get the glam tart phase over and done with before puberty rather than in the teen years, who knows.

BTW "The Five Castes" that's not one to joke about. I'm a bad taste humourist and that's not funny.

That's right, this isn't generally a trend where the market demographic are really "deciding for themselves"; often, even young teens (13-14) are too easily bedazzled by marketing and ridiculous peer pressure to be said to be fully informed of the social consequences of a "look".

Yes, they make decisions, but not particularly well-informed decisions.

I work around middle-school kids; some of them (honest to God) still show traits of the concrete-thinking stage of mental development; they have yet learned how to really do abstract thinking with any facility...

The idea of, "What do you think such-and-such will think of you, if you dress or act this way?", just has no meaning at all to them. They don't think that far ahead and can't really "put themselves in others' shoes" yet.

They are being used by marketeers, and by some prevailing "fashion culture" that wants a) young girls to be overtly sexualized, and b) still be immature and infantile at the same time.

I have had to reprimand young women as old as 14 for SUCKING THEIR THUMBS IN CLASS.

They are not doing this because they are retarded or babyish. They are doing it because they see examples of thumb-sucking by grown women, portrayed as a sexual or flirtatious gesture, usually on BET or MTV affiliates. They see grown (and I use the term loosely) men approving of this.

I try to explain that they are being used.

That the kind of man who thinks that women being "baby girls" or young girls being "grown women" is all right, is a predator and a fucking scumbag...

That just because they see it on TV doesn't make it safe or correct to do...

That the "men" who promote these modes of dress don't care about girls at all, except as clothes-hanger models in the fashion industry, as sources of income...

That the "Baby Girl" tagline comes as a side-effect, because young-acting women are easier to use...

That these men are their enemies. And mine, because everytime one of these wretched vampires starts a new trend, he makes out all of us to be like him.

Look, I hate to sound like Andrea Dworkin (a person whom I have nothing but pity for), but TV and fashion aimed towards young girls is ruthlessly exploitative. It isn't a fair fight.

And it IS the parents' decision. Who-the-hell else is gonna fight for their kids? The fucking scumbag marketeers? TV stations? They have vested interests in keeping girls weak, stupid, and paying for the privelege of remaining so...

I didn't believe it. Until I saw it.

EDIT: In case my point isn't already hammered into the ground: Milburnburg, you're wrong. Beyond all measure, wrong.

I like this post and I agree with everything it says. Thanks for sharing your experiences and observations.

At the same tme you cannot allow fear of perverts to dictate your life. Everyone will end up in Purdah living in houses with no external windows and courtyard gardens. Like the Islamic types.

Perhaps it's best to get the glam tart phase over and done with before puberty rather than in the teen years, who knows.

BTW "The Five Castes" that's not one to joke about. I'm a bad taste humourist and that's not funny.


Umm, he's not joking about anything.

Why are kids dressing up like hookers and sluts? Because they tend to rebel around that age. It's perfectly natural. Of course, once our societies got more permissive, things got worse and worse. Make nudity okay and teens will still find ways to rebel. Younger kids tend to emulate teens. It's natural. How can we fix this? Get less permissive. They'll still rebel, but it won't be as bad.

Sometimes it seems like I'm prude, like the stereotypical old Republicans that live in those huge mansions and have butlers named Jeeves. Ask them anything and the answers won't make sense. Lol. I made a joke. I see teens on tv having sex with complete strangers(like AIDS and Herpes don't exist) and dressing in such a way as to make prostitutes and hookers look like those goody goody girly girls in those long, pink dresses that have more manners than an etiquette guide. I'm not against ass, but let's save it for sex. Seeing it everywhere all the time makes ass seem less and less special. I wish we were in much pruder times sometimes. You know, where bear legs were so rare that women could give their husbands major orgasms just by lifting up their skirts and showing some ankle. Of course, summers would be brutal, but less exposure in snowy winters is better than frozen solid girls dressed like sluts, right?

At the same tme you cannot allow fear of perverts to dictate your life. Everyone will end up in Purdah living in houses with no external windows and courtyard gardens. Like the Islamic types.

Perhaps it's best to get the glam tart phase over and done with before puberty rather than in the teen years, who knows.

BTW "The Five Castes" that's not one to joke about. I'm a bad taste humourist and that's not funny.
Umm, he's not joking about anything.
He's right. I wasn't joking. Run a search of my post history.

He's right. I wasn't joking. Run a search of my post history.
Okay, so you are sexually interested in children. I hope you haven't ever acted upon this.

Okay, so you are sexually interested in children. I hope you haven't ever acted upon this.
Nope.

Nope.
That's okay. Sorry for asking, but I don't really know you at all and you did admit to being a pedophile.

So you say you're a paedophile and I say you should be reported to the cops. I imagine your IP has been recorded and it's a simple matter to get your ISP to give up your address.

If you're not on the sexual devients logbook or whatever it's called, there would be a case for interviewing you down at the police station.
If you are on the logbook of perverts then this would probably count as an infraction of your license.

That's why it would be a bad idea. Either way it's trouble for you regardless of your actual perverse nature. You see it'll work out badly for you either way. People have a funny way of deliberately not getting the joke when it comes to child rape.

That's okay. Sorry for asking, but I don't really know you at all and you did admit to being a pedophile.

I think its that old distinction between pedophile and child molester again.

You mean opportunity.

I took my little brother to school yesterday, and I noticed that some little girls were wearing make-up, jewellery and heels. I think this is okay every now and then, but not for everyday wear. Kids are supposed to play, get a little dirty, run around. I think this is important if you want your child to have a healthy active life as they get older. Should parents dress their daughters like this at such a young age? Is it okay for little girls to wear heels or should they run around in jeans and trainers (sneakers)? I think parents shouldn't send their daughters to school like this, it should be up to the girl to decide when to start worrying about her appearence. Save the pretty dresses for special occasions, I say.

Tell me what you lot think.

Absolutely not. Fashion, in all its forms, is one of the great idiocies of our society, and we should not be conditioning our children to keep on being slaves to it. Fashion is bad, and anyone who disagrees with me is by definition wrong because I am right. Clothes themselves are unnatural, and should be limited to the purpose of insulation, with decoration as a very secondary objective.

Absolutely not. Fashion, in all its forms, is one of the great idiocies of our society, and we should not be conditioning our children to keep on being slaves to it. Fashion is bad, and anyone who disagrees with me is by definition wrong because I am right. Clothes themselves are unnatural, and should be limited to the purpose of insulation, with decoration as a very secondary objective.

It was the clothes which Adam wore which pissed off Ghod and got them thrun out of the Garden of E.

That's okay. Sorry for asking, but I don't really know you at all and you did admit to being a pedophile.
No worries. It's probably the least offensive thing anyone's likely to say about me.

Case in point:
So you say you're a paedophile and I say you should be reported to the cops. I imagine your IP has been recorded and it's a simple matter to get your ISP to give up your address.

Dail up. Dynamic IP address. Thank you for playing.

Regardless, in spite of popular opinion, it isn't a crime to be attracted to children. It's a crime to rape children, but there is a (not exactly) subtle difference.

If you're not on the sexual devients logbook or whatever it's called, there would be a case for interviewing you down at the police station.
If you are on the logbook of perverts then this would probably count as an infraction of your license.

What the hell are you even talking about?

That's why it would be a bad idea. Either way it's trouble for you regardless of your actual perverse nature. You see it'll work out badly for you either way. People have a funny way of deliberately not getting the joke when it comes to child rape.
You're right. People can be surprisingly ignorant at times. You've demonstrated that quite effectively.
I think its that old distinction between pedophile and child molester again.
You mean opportunity.
I was going to go with morality.

So you say you're a paedophile and I say you should be reported to the cops. I imagine your IP has been recorded and it's a simple matter to get your ISP to give up your address.

If you're not on the sexual devients logbook or whatever it's called, there would be a case for interviewing you down at the police station.
If you are on the logbook of perverts then this would probably count as an infraction of your license.

That's why it would be a bad idea. Either way it's trouble for you regardless of your actual perverse nature. You see it'll work out badly for you either way. People have a funny way of deliberately not getting the joke when it comes to child rape.
I'm going to speak for The Five Castes here, because I've read enough of his posts to know what he'd say:
Pedophile is to child molester as heterosexual is to rapist. The two are not the same or even related.
At all.
Period.
EDIT: Never mind, he dealt with it already.

I'm going to speak for The Five Castes here, because I've read enough of his posts to know what he'd say:
Pedophile is to child molester as heterosexual is to rapist. The two are not the same or even related.
At all.
Period.
EDIT: Never mind, he dealt with it already.
That's all right. I appreciate it anyway.

You've really lifted my spirits.

Yeah it depends on how old the "little girls" are. If they're 5, it's probably not appropriate. 16 however, I'm a bit more open-minded about it...

It's really up to the parents, I suppose.

However, my girls and I dress modestly and with respect for ourselves, even if it does mean no mini skirts, belly shirts, or pants with "hottie" on the butt.

It's a cultural thing I guess, people don't understand why my 5 year old doesn't have a bikini......or even why I don't have one.

GASP! :eek:

Props Smunkee.

If a woman wants to be treated like a whore, dress the part. If you want to be treated with respect-demand and dress it.

Yeah it depends on how old the "little girls" are. If they're 5, it's probably not appropriate. 16 however, I'm a bit more open-minded about it...
I believe the original poster said they were 6/7.

Hehe, this is what is so awesome about being a guy...I throw on my favorite pair of TRASHED khaki shorts, some sandals, generic t shirt, hat, and I'm good to go.

:p

I believe the original poster said they were 6/7.

In that case, this kind of thing is exactly the uber-liberal, lack-of-family-values laissez-faire parenting that leads to the rise of not just pedophilia but also the rise of thinking that pedophilia "isn't so bad" as long as the 6 or 7 year old "consents" to having sex with sweaty 35 year old men.

I'm going to speak for The Five Castes here, because I've read enough of his posts to know what he'd say:
Pedophile is to child molester as heterosexual is to rapist. The two are not the same or even related.
At all.
Period.
EDIT: Never mind, he dealt with it already.

Either I just took a massive dive towards the right, or that's the biggest load of dangerous PC hug-the-rape-away guff I ever heard.

Dynamic IP is a thing of the past. Without wishing to be the NYTimes about this, every phone and IP is logged away and unless you are using some fairly sturdy anonomizer you are toast.

"Pedophile is to child molester as heterosexual is to rapist."

I read that a few times and I still don't get it. It's like saying you can't spell "the rapist" without "therapist".

In that case, this kind of thing is exactly the uber-liberal, lack-of-family-values laissez-faire parenting that leads to the rise of not just pedophilia but also the rise of thinking that pedophilia "isn't so bad" as long as the 6 or 7 year old "consents" to having sex with sweaty 35 year old men.
Okay:
1) Kids dressing like adults doesn't cause pedophelia any more than men dressing like women causes homosexuality.
2) When was the last time you heard anyone say pedophelia "isn't so bad"? I never hear this.
3) Pedophelia is just the attraction not the action. The second insence of "pedophelia" in your post should be replaced with "child molesting".
4) Not all pedophiles are "sweaty 35 year old men" and I object to the characterisation. I happen to be a 23 year old pedophile with good personal hygene, thank you very much.

Either I just took a massive dive towards the right, or that's the biggest load of dangerous PC hug-the-rape-away guff I ever heard.

Dynamic IP is a thing of the past. Without wishing to be the NYTimes about this, every phone and IP is logged away and unless you are using some fairly sturdy anonomizer you are toast.

"Pedophile is to child molester as heterosexual is to rapist."

I read that a few times and I still don't get it. It's like saying you can't spell "the rapist" without "therapist".

Yep, it's a big load of dangerous guff alright. The idea that "pedophilia" is "just another sexual preference, no better or worse than any other" is like saying Nazism is just another political ideology, no better or worse than any other.

It's false because a pedophile can be heterosexual or homosexual. It is not some harmless, third choice. A guy who wants to fuck a 5 year old girl in the ass isn't "just a pedophile." He's a heterosexual sicko pervert.

Okay:
1) Kids dressing like adults doesn't cause pedophelia any more than men dressing like women causes homosexuality.

Unsubstantiated, wishful thinking, false comparison of a perversion with a normal sexuality.


2) When was the last time you heard anyone say pedophelia "isn't so bad"? I never hear this.

Your arguments are pro-pedophilia. "Isn't so bad" is a paraphrase, and not an inaccurate one given your position.


3) Pedophelia is just the attraction not the action. The second insence of "pedophelia" in your post should be replaced with "child molesting".

THe only viable way to ACT on pedophilia is through child molestation. The two are cars of the same train.


4) Not all pedophiles are "sweaty 35 year old men" and I object to the characterisation. I happen to be a 23 year old pedophile with good personal hygene, thank you very much.

Object all you want. People like you should be locked up.

If a woman wants to be treated like a whore, dress the part. If you want to be treated with respect-demand and dress it.
This makes sense to some extent, but out of curiosity, what kind of attire does a woman have to wear to fall into the category of wanting to be treated like a whore? If I wear a miniskirt, does that mean I'm a slut? If I wear a bikini, does that mean I don't want to be treated with respect?

Either I just took a massive dive towards the right, or that's the biggest load of dangerous PC hug-the-rape-away guff I ever heard.

I have to ask (and should probably sig this I say it so often):
Denied access to conscenting partners, would you resort to rape? If not, why do you assume I would?

Dynamic IP is a thing of the past. Without wishing to be the NYTimes about this, every phone and IP is logged away and unless you are using some fairly sturdy anonomizer you are toast.

You'll find it's more trouble than it's worth to track me down. Especially when you realise I haven't done anything illegal.

"Pedophile is to child molester as heterosexual is to rapist."

I read that a few times and I still don't get it. It's like saying you can't spell "the rapist" without "therapist".
I hope my opening question helped clarify the analogy.
Yep, it's a big load of dangerous guff alright. The idea that "pedophilia" is "just another sexual preference, no better or worse than any other" is like saying Nazism is just another political ideology, no better or worse than any other.

Shall I invoke Godwin's Law now?

(If you don't know what it is, look it up.)

It's false because a pedophile can be heterosexual or homosexual. It is not some harmless, third choice. A guy who wants to fuck a 5 year old girl in the ass isn't "just a pedophile." He's a heterosexual sicko pervert.
I don't even know what to say to that. I mean sure, it's an arrousing mental image, but I don't see why you brought it up.

As for "harmless" if I'm not actually raping children, how am I harmful.

It would seem this is destined to turn into a pedophelia debate topic. Sad really, I just popped in to correct the misconception that kids dressing like whores was somehow what pedophiles want.

Okay:
1) Kids dressing like adults doesn't cause pedophelia any more than men dressing like women causes homosexuality.
2) When was the last time you heard anyone say pedophelia "isn't so bad"? I never hear this.
3) Pedophelia is just the attraction not the action. The second insence of "pedophelia" in your post should be replaced with "child molesting".
4) Not all pedophiles are "sweaty 35 year old men" and I object to the characterisation. I happen to be a 23 year old pedophile with good personal hygene, thank you very much.

Your NAMBLA like attraction to children is a mental disorder for which you should be getting treatment or failing that incarceration. You are a walking timebomb of misery for some small child and their family. By boasting of your "condition" you are demonstrating pride and acceptance of a universally reviled dysfunction. Assuming for the sake of argument that this is just a stance you are adopting "for the sake of argument", it's a dangerous hobby you have.

Your NAMBLA like attraction to children

NAMBLA is an acronym for North American Man Boy Love Association for those who don't know. It's an advocacy group, not a type of attraction.

is a mental disorder for which you should be getting treatment or failing that incarceration.

The so called treatments availible are the same treatments proven inefective against homosexuality. Look up "avoidence therapy" some time. It doesn't work.

You are a walking timebomb of misery for some small child and their family.

Again, denied conscenting partners would you resort to rape?

(Am I really going to have to sig that?)

By boasting of your "condition" you are demonstrating pride and acceptance of a universally reviled dysfunction.

Not so much pride as a belief that it isn't something I should be ashamed of. I do accept this about myself, and I really don't care how "universal" the bigotry against this is. It's still bigotry.

Assuming for the sake of argument that this is just a stance you are adopting "for the sake of argument", it's a dangerous hobby you have.
Nope, really attracted to kids. You should definately look up my post history.

I'd feel much better arguing this with you in one of the threads relating to this topic, rather than hyjacking this one.

Unsubstantiated, wishful thinking, false comparison of a perversion with a normal sexuality.

You'd really think the person who has this attraction would be a better authority on the causes than someone who, I'm sorry, what was your experience again?

Your arguments are pro-pedophilia. "Isn't so bad" is a paraphrase, and not an inaccurate one given your position.

I'm a pedophile. Did you expect me to condemn myself? The point is that I don't generally see this evil "acceptance" you're so worried about. I mean your fear mongering is wishful thinking from my prospective. It just ain't happening.

THe only viable way to ACT on pedophilia is through child molestation. The two are cars of the same train.

You never used the phrase "act on pedophelia". You described child molestation, which incidentally is commited by people who aren't pedophiles with an astounding frequency. They've even got a term for it.

"Situational Offenders". Basicly means anyone who isn't normally into kids, but who rapes them for reasons other than sexual gratification. A rush of power, sexual frustration, whatever.

Incidentally, FBI statistics have situational offenders as the perpetrators in 90% of child sex abuse cases, and pedophile offenders in only 10%.

Object all you want. People like you should be locked up.
What I object to is you mischaracterising me by questioning my personal hygene. The rest I can take and deal with, but the ad homonym attacks aren't something I intend to stand here and take.

Just because you really love children / find them beautiful doesn't make you a grungy pedophile.

If you actually plan, not just in fantasy, to sexually interact with a child then yes, there is something wrong with you. However thinking children are attractive just bunches you in with all the old grandmas, soccer moms, etc.

The so called treatments availible are the same treatments proven inefective against homosexuality. Look up "avoidence therapy" some time. It doesn't work.

Not so much pride as a belief that it isn't something I should be ashamed of. I do accept this about myself, and I really don't care how "universal" the bigotry against this is. It's still bigotry.

Nope, really attracted to kids. You should definately look up my post history.


The judgements which you have made are unsound. You have rationalised rather than been rational.
"Not so much pride as a belief that it isn't something I should be ashamed of"
Emotive terms.
My premise is that you are attempting to self diagnose and treat, or rather not treat, a dysfunction. This suggests that you assume yourself to be in control and competent. Yet you don't seem to find your pedophilia to be a problem. It's a HAL9000 moment.

I took my little brother to school yesterday, and I noticed that some little girls were wearing make-up, jewellery and heels. I think this is okay every now and then, but not for everyday wear. Kids are supposed to play, get a little dirty, run around. I think this is important if you want your child to have a healthy active life as they get older. Should parents dress their daughters like this at such a young age? Is it okay for little girls to wear heels or should they run around in jeans and trainers (sneakers)? I think parents shouldn't send their daughters to school like this, it should be up to the girl to decide when to start worrying about her appearence. Save the pretty dresses for special occasions, I say.

Tell me what you lot think.
Chavs. -_-
It is a perversity that must be smote!

Look, I'm a pedophile, and even I disaprove of young kids dressing like whores. I agree that they should be dressed in something they can play in.

Why do people automatically assume pedophiles are the ones pushing this? I personally want kids to be happy, not uncomfortable living dolls for their parents to play dress up with.


Damn lol You're a brave one

Dude, that's my testicle.

Well it could have been his wife, you never know.


And her smile is not horrible. That was mean of him.

Herodotus observed of the Egyptians, 2,500 years ago,

"As they travel on toward Bubastis and come near some other city...(the women) scream obscentities in derision of the women who live in the city, and others of them set to dancing, and still others, standing up, throw their clothes open to show their nakedness. They do this at every city along the riverbank."
Woah!
Party time in Ancient Eqypt!
Gotta build me a time machine, head back 25 centuries, and get me some of that Egyptian sugar.

Using sex to sell firearms. That's a new one on me.
Not selling firearms. Just showing you who shows up to the range.

Just because you really love children / find them beautiful doesn't make you a grungy pedophile.

If you actually plan, not just in fantasy, to sexually interact with a child then yes, there is something wrong with you. However thinking children are attractive just bunches you in with all the old grandmas, soccer moms, etc.
Hokan for the win!

Woah!
Party time in Ancient Eqypt!
Gotta build me a time machine, head back 25 centuries, and get me some of that Egyptian sugar.

No, you need to visit the Temple of Astarte.

Young women hang out on the steps of the temple, waiting for men to come by and have sex with them.

People, some pedophiles (in their thoughts, not their actions) are no different than people who turn out to be homosexuals. They don't choose to be attracted to children (or others of the same gender). They just are. And god forbid we criticize homosexuals right? It's only when you abuse a child that you become something much worse.

People, some pedophiles (in their thoughts, not their actions) are no different than people who turn out to be homosexuals. They don't choose to be attracted to children (or others of the same gender). They just are. And god forbid we criticize homosexuals right? It's only when you abuse a child that you become something much worse.

Oh, sure. And some people are no different from homosexuals. Like they don't choose to be attracted to the idea of raping women, or killing everyone of a certain ethnicity. Who are we to judge such desires, no desire is any different from any other desire right?

Fuck that.

This is the exact bullshit that shows how fucked-up our society is. Apparently, the gay rights movement now can be extended to cover up any impulse or perversion known to humanity! Amazingly versatile!

The Five Castes - if you don't want to turn this into a pedophilia debate, then shut the fuck up about how you are sexually attracted to children. Mmkay? Good.

Oh, sure. And some people are no different from homosexuals. Like they don't choose to be attracted to the idea of raping women, or killing everyone of a certain ethnicity. Who are we to judge such desires, no desire is any different from any other desire right?

Fuck that.

This is the exact bullshit that shows how fucked-up our society is. Apparently, the gay rights movement now can be extended to cover up any impulse or perversion known to humanity! Amazingly versatile!

The Five Castes - if you don't want to turn this into a pedophilia debate, then shut the fuck up about how you are sexually attracted to children. Mmkay? Good.


Well, he is right in a way.

Pedophiles do not "choose" to be that way. It's just the way they are wired. Yes, that's the same argument used to say that homosexuals are perfectly normal - they're born that way.

But it's not a place to start the argument. It's better to say that homosexuals, regardless of how they arrived at their desires, are choosing adults who can give informed consent to sex. Pedophiles, on the other hand, are choosing children who cannot give informed consent to sex.

Oh, sure. And some people are no different from homosexuals. Like they don't choose to be attracted to the idea of raping women, or killing everyone of a certain ethnicity. Who are we to judge such desires, no desire is any different from any other desire right?

You got it. We don't choose what to desire. It's molded by upbringing and the sum of all our experiences. You used the word "idea" which is exactly what I'm talking about. Lots of sick things go through people's heads but the only true criminals are the ones who act on it. Because actions are what you CAN control. And just to prove you can't control your emotions the way you control your actions...in your mind, make yourself a pedophile right now.

You got it. We don't choose what to desire. It's molded by upbringing and the sum of all our experiences. You used the word "idea" which is exactly what I'm talking about. Lots of sick things go through people's heads but the only true criminals are the ones who act on it. Because actions are what you CAN control. And just to prove you can't control your emotions the way you control your actions...in your mind, make yourself a pedophile right now.

Oh, but you said pedophilia was no different from homosexuality. You think homosexuality is determined by the "sum of all our experiences?" I thought there was substantial evidence that it is determined in the womb, perhaps genetically? Are you saying the same is true for pedophilia... and for wanting to murder anyone who lives in the Middle East?

Sorry, I don't buy it. There is no genetic impulse towards killing anyone of X type, because that requires abstract thinking. Otherwise we could dismiss shit like what New Mitanni advocates as "just another desire like homosecskuality, and if you oppose it ur just a mean bigot!"

If actions were what people could control, there wouldn't be anyone in prison, would there? Certainly not for child molestation. Now maybe you don't think child molesters are pedophiles. Maybe you're a pedophile yourself, just like TFC. Or maybe you just enjoy pissing people off with puerile comparisons designed to rationalize any behaviour or impulse.

Fuck off.

Oh, sure. And some people are no different from homosexuals. Like they don't choose to be attracted to the idea of raping women, or killing everyone of a certain ethnicity. Who are we to judge such desires, no desire is any different from any other desire right?


All that is already legal you realize, at least in the U.S.
Comes under freedom of speech.
You can say(or think) anything you want about anyone you want(and really mean it) with no penalty.
Infact, that's the point of freedom of speech. To protect people with nutty opinions.

And as an aside, you can avoid those if you want, at least prior to any desire exists, and usually after.
When sex comes into the picture, it's not changable, and trying usually causes significant mental damage.

You can say(or think) anything you want about anyone you want(and really mean it) with no penalty.
Infact, that's the point of freedom of speech. To protect people with nutty opinions.

Unless you're shouting "fire" falsely in a crowded place, or talking about your Lee Harvey Oswald fantasies.

Oh, but you said pedophilia was no different from homosexuality. You think homosexuality is determined by the "sum of all our experiences?" I thought there was substantial evidence that it is determined in the womb, perhaps genetically? Are you saying the same is true for pedophilia... and for wanting to murder anyone who lives in the Middle East?

Sorry, I don't buy it. There is no genetic impulse towards killing anyone of X type, because that requires abstract thinking. Otherwise we could dismiss shit like what New Mitanni advocates as "just another desire like homosecskuality, and if you oppose it ur just a mean bigot!"

If actions were what people could control, there wouldn't be anyone in prison, would there? Certainly not for child molestation. Now maybe you don't think child molesters are pedophiles. Maybe you're a pedophile yourself, just like TFC. Or maybe you just enjoy pissing people off with puerile comparisons designed to rationalize any behaviour or impulse.

Fuck off.

Oohh, hissy pissy. For the second time, my explanation does not rationalize behavior. Impulses, yes. While I won't go so far as to say there is a pedophilia gene, I maintain that just like homosexuality can develop during the course of someone's life, so can pedophilia. It is not as if these people chose to have those desires. And to get back on the topic of the thread, one of the things that can aggravate someone's desires is seeing children dressed up in clothing that would normally make an adult look attractive.

If actions were what people could control, there wouldn't be anyone in prison, would there?
Are you implying people can't control their actions? Why put anyone in prison then if it's out of their control when they murder or rape someone? People choose to do stupid things, what can I say.

Oohh, hissy pissy. For the second time, my explanation does not rationalize behavior. Impulses, yes.

Right. And impulses don't lead to behaviour. Incouraging impulses doesn't lead to behaviour based on such impulses. Impulses have nothing to do with behaviour. How hissy pissy of me!

While I won't go so far as to say there is a pedophilia gene, I maintain that just like homosexuality can develop during the course of someone's life, so can pedophilia. It is not as if these people chose to have those desires.

Says who? You? Pedophiles? Gosh, thats a lot of convincing there. It must be true. I guess I can't choose to have a desire to sodomize you with a rusted iron pipe - its just something that "developed" during the course of my life. No better or worse than any other desire eh? Certainly not one that I should be punished for having, or expressing, right? (Heh I guess maybe the mods could decide that.)

Let me ask you something. Do you have children, and would you let an admitted pedophile babysit/take care of them?


Are you implying people can't control their actions? Why put anyone in prison then if it's out of their control when they murder or rape someone? People choose to do stupid things, what can I say.

People can't control their desires. And the ones that have desires for "stupid things" (nice euphemism for violent crime!) are more apt to commit crimes when they can't. Makes sense to me, but I'm an old fuddy duddy with a close mind who just isn't "open minded" about the innocent, harmless babyfucking desire.

I made a separate thread about this so you can continue there if you dont want to threadjack. I know I dont.

I took my little brother to school yesterday, and I noticed that some little girls were wearing make-up, jewellery and heels. I think this is okay every now and then, but not for everyday wear. Kids are supposed to play, get a little dirty, run around. I think this is important if you want your child to have a healthy active life as they get older. Should parents dress their daughters like this at such a young age? Is it okay for little girls to wear heels or should they run around in jeans and trainers (sneakers)? I think parents shouldn't send their daughters to school like this, it should be up to the girl to decide when to start worrying about her appearence. Save the pretty dresses for special occasions, I say.

Tell me what you lot think.

Present your children as adults (or more adult....or of a certain 'trashy' culture) and ultimately that is how they will be treated. Certain projected personal images attract specific kinds of attention. As much as people don't want to acknowledge that (ie - dressing sexy attracts sexual interest whether you like it or not) it's true.

I never understood why women claimed to wear makeup just for themselves. The idea of make up is to define the features and often to make it appear that the wearer is aroused or at least more generically attractive. Wearing make up and thus attempting to become more sexy will ultimately make guys want to oggle. So, why then, when the same women (not all, obviously) who say that all this tarting up is just for them, do they become affronted when guys fall over themselves for their attention? It's one of the must frustrating contradictions I've come across (that and the whole thing of men are meant to be gallant, but also treat women as equals....meh!).

So, in the same way, if you encourage your daughters to look like hookers with often provocative typography across their bodies, is it not fair to assume that this will attract the attention of the sexually deviant? Do you really want your preteens being oggled by horny guys, regardless of the age they appear?

What gets me more is that people feel that by curtailing the nature of their (or in this case, their children's) appearance, they are pandering to the perverts and thus become defiant. In an abstract sense I can appreciate the thinking: I was once attacked in an alleyway, and my parents requested that I didn't use the alley anymore - I still walked the same way home as I was not going to let that bastard win. HOWEVER, when we are talking about our young children and protecting them against the perverted, what's more important? I'd vote, for the sakes of safety, style, and common sense, to let your kids be kids and not to dress them in these inappropriate ways.


Kin Wicked

GASP! :eek:

Props Smunkee.

If a woman wants to be treated like a whore, dress the part. If you want to be treated with respect-demand and dress it.


Yeah, you know, funny thing.

I sleep off the night, go do my grad skool "work" for the day, and check back to see that the thread has become a very interesting "pedohile vs. child molester vs. child rapist" argument, with undertones of "What is informed consent?" and "What is free will to act?"

And suchlike. Verrrrry interesting. Equally interesting are the posters and their means of expressing their thoughts.

There's a lot of (understandable) tension and anger on every side. I feel a fair amount of it myself. I'm around children a great deal, and my need to protect them from, like, EVERYTHING I imagine to be harmful is sometimes very shocking.

Hence, I can't really sensibly respond to some of the finer points of this debate as it stands. I'm...too clouded, you see?

But there are a couple instances that I must comment on. First, let me say that, despite that one of the posters being an admitted pedophile (hrrmmmm), and bad manners being shown all around (including on my part, let's face it), I am moved to...

...a shocking sense of respect for almost all involved. No foolin'.

The glaring exception to that "sense of respect" is directed at DesignatedMarksman.

DM- You are a smug, self-congratulatory misogynist douchebag, unfit to be called an actual human. You are a worthless ghoul pretend-person. I hope some right-thinking real American (or member of any other forthright nation, for that matter) gets the right idea...

...and fucks you in the neck with a butcher knife. Twice.

Seriously. I saw the comments you've made in the "muslims are raping our White Euro flowers of womanhood" thread, and in this one.

I think your fate's pretty clear. Hell awaits, and you've earned it.

Really. Just die, and free up some space for an actual person.

Hmmmm. Well, I think I've just blown whatever rep I may have had for being calm and well-reasoning. Blame idiots like DM for that, tho.

Bye-yi.