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I've noticed here that a few people complain a lot about muslim immigrants and even the second/third generations. Some of you don't think muslims should be allowed to live in European countries. I have seen a lot of hatred towards this ethnic minority. I think that if everyone with this attitude towards muslims were to become more accepting of these people, then everyone would me made happier.

Just think. If you treated muslims with the same respect as you did everyone else, there would be less segregation. Okay, this is partly self-segregation, but can you blame them when they are treated as second class citizens by some people? Now I think racial segregation is a bad thing because it just encourages conflict. If people were to mix more, especially children at school, then we would understand each other more. Friendship is much better than unreasonable hatred.

So what do you lot think?
If everyone were to accept different ways of life would this make wherever we live a better place? Or is the only solution to kick all the muslims out of Europe?

The solution is to make european muslims in europe behave just like all other europeans.

Diversity is no excuse for producing mixed bags of nuts.

If everyone were to accept different ways of life would this make wherever we live a better place? Or is the only solution to kick all the muslims out of Europe?

Dunno. They could always come to the US. They're not segregated here and can wear whatever zany thing they want to school.

The solution is to make european muslims in europe behave just like all other europeans.

All Europeans act alike? I'll keep that in mind.

The solution is to make european muslims in europe behave just like all other europeans.

Diversity is no excuse for producing mixed bags of nuts.

*lol
Diversity is a mixed bag of nuts. Integration means making sure the nuts meet a certain minimum number of criteria.

All Europeans act alike? I'll keep that in mind.

*nods* Good. Once you figure out the standars, you can adhere to 'em.
Religiously, too.

*lol
Diversity is a mixed bag of nuts. Integration means making sure the nuts meet a certain minimum number of criteria.

Integration vz Assimilation, I suppose.
I'm all for Assimilation.

All Europeans act alike? I'll keep that in mind.
You know what he means. As a whole europeans have a different culture and way of life than muslims and non-westerners in general. This is not a racist statement to make.

I'm all for Assimilation.

Assimilation is dehumanization.

The US is not a culture of assimilation and we're doing just fine.

You know what he means. As a whole europeans have a different culture and way of life than muslims and non-westerners in general. This is not a racist statement to make.

I disagree. If Europe has a large Muslim community (not that all Muslims act alike, either, but you know what I mean) who are citizens of Europe (and the various nations thereof) then that Muslim community is a part of the greater European community and, thus, they *are* acting European.

The solution is to make european muslims in europe behave just like all other europeans.

Diversity is no excuse for producing mixed bags of nuts.
We should not make them behave like everyone else. They have their own culture and they have every right to be proud of it. They can still be European whilst being different from the majority. Just like in america there is a kind of black culture, but these people are still considered american and not seen as some kind of freaks that should be kicked out of the country.

Assimilation is dehumanization.

The US is not a culture of assimilation and we're doing just fine.

Can I laugh now?

We should not make them behave like everyone else. They have their own culture and they have every right to be proud of it.

Don't bother. I'm sorry. It's the same mentality that caused Europe to kick out the Jews. Some things never change.

Assimilation is dehumanization.

The US is not a culture of assimilation and we're doing just fine.
No, assimilation prevents those who dont assimilate to feel left out and wanting to lash out. Europe is not the US. The US is a melting pot of sorts, Europe is not. Your comparing apples and oranges

Assimilation is dehumanization.

The US is not a culture of assimilation and we're doing just fine.
Better than Europe, actually. Muslims over here tend to be among the wealthiest and best educated groups in America. New immigrants to this country tend to do pretty well at making a living and finding a place in our society. I guess since we've always been an immigrant nation we've gotten pretty good at welcoming immigrants. Even in the current argument over illegal immigration nobody but the most fringe elements proposes ending all immigration from Mexico.

Can I laugh now?

Laugh all you like, but it's true.

*nods* Good. Once you figure out the standars, you can adhere to 'em.
Religiously, too.
So, if I go to France and I'm agnostic, I have to become Catholic?
...
Let me find a nuke.:D

I've noticed here that a few people complain a lot about muslim immigrants and even the second/third generations. Some of you don't think muslims should be allowed to live in European countries. I have seen a lot of hatred towards this ethnic minority. I think that if everyone with this attitude towards muslims were to become more accepting of these people, then everyone would me made happier.

Just think. If you treated muslims with the same respect as you did everyone else, there would be less segregation. Okay, this is partly self-segregation, but can you blame them when they are treated as second class citizens by some people? Now I think racial segregation is a bad thing because it just encourages conflict. If people were to mix more, especially children at school, then we would understand each other more. Friendship is much better than unreasonable hatred.

So what do you lot think?
If everyone were to accept different ways of life would this make wherever we live a better place? Or is the only solution to kick all the muslims out of Europe?

I think supposed racial differences are among the dumbest possible reasons to dislike somebody. Anybody who is deeply bothered by such issues is somebody who probably should be kept in a very safe, quiet room with all the sharp things taken away and the corners padded.

Don't bother. I'm sorry. It's the same mentality that caused Europe to kick out the Jews. Some things never change.
Not to mention the Reconquista in 1492. Muslims have already suffered at the Europeans' expense.

I disagree. If Europe has a large Muslim community (not that all Muslims act alike, either, but you know what I mean) who are citizens of Europe (and the various nations thereof) then that Muslim community is a part of the greater European community and, thus, they *are* acting European.
No, they are acting like a muslim community seperate from Europe that just happens to reside in Europe.

Integrate them into society, but obviously not assimilate. Once more Muslims become integrated, society will see them and understand them better.

No, they are acting like a muslim community seperate from Europe that just happens to reside in Europe.

But they're Europeans.

Hence, they're acting like Europeans.

I'm sorry Europeans seem so xenophobic and isolationist. Makes me wonder if it's Europe that needs reform rather than Muslims. The world isn't blonde and blue eyed. Deal with it.

Integration vz Assimilation, I suppose.
I'm all for Assimilation.

I'm not. It makes for a very boring environment.

But they're Europeans.

Hence, they're acting like Europeans.

I'm sorry Europeans seem so xenophobic and isolationist. Makes me wonder if it's Europe that needs reform rather than Muslims. The world isn't blonde and blue eyed. Deal with it.
Curses to being of the Aryan race!!!

Laugh all you like, but it's true.

It is true, and that truth lies in the ideal(an ideal that hasn't been reached, but striven for since the nation was founded) that everyone of every nationlity and religious background is welcome here, as long as the superceding ideal(again striven for but not yet reached) of personal liberty comes first.

Curses to being of the Aryan race!!!

You're Persian? Neat!

I've noticed here that a few people complain a lot about muslim immigrants and even the second/third generations. Some of you don't think muslims should be allowed to live in European countries. I have seen a lot of hatred towards this ethnic minority. I think that if everyone with this attitude towards muslims were to become more accepting of these people, then everyone would me made happier.

Just think. If you treated muslims with the same respect as you did everyone else, there would be less segregation. Okay, this is partly self-segregation, but can you blame them when they are treated as second class citizens by some people? Now I think racial segregation is a bad thing because it just encourages conflict. If people were to mix more, especially children at school, then we would understand each other more. Friendship is much better than unreasonable hatred.

So what do you lot think?
If everyone were to accept different ways of life would this make wherever we live a better place? Or is the only solution to kick all the muslims out of Europe?

The latter solution does have a certain appeal, however in the absence of any politicians with a spine, I will merely assert the following. Why on earth am I not allowed to deplore immigrants? I deplore all immigrants, from the first to third generation, irrespective of if they are Muslim, Hindu, Eastern European, Mexican or African. Quite frankly they are not culturally enriching, they are obnoxious drains on my economy and my society.

It is true, and that truth lies in the ideal(an ideal that hasn't been reached, but striven for since the nation was founded) that everyone of every nationlity and religious background is welcome here, as long as the superceding ideal(again striven for but not yet reached) of personal liberty comes first.

Bingo! You're right, we're not perfect at it just yet, but it is possible to believe in something one can never quite acheive.

Being muslim has nothing to do with self-segregation. It seems to me to be too infrequent for people emigrating to another country to integrate fully with that country. Take ex-pat brits in Spain. Notorious for not bothering to become fluent in Spanish, becoming micro-communities on their own etc etc etc.

However, there is good and bad (whether talking immigration or emigration). For example, I notice that these days in the UK, you find shops that open after 16:30 and do not shut down for half a day on wednesdays and saturdays. I see immigrants or their descendants working harder, for longer hours and being more entreprenurial than many "british" people I know.

Plus of course, fish and chips is not the only takeaway food choice we have anymore.

But they're Europeans.

Hence, they're acting like Europeans.

I'm sorry Europeans seem so xenophobic and isolationist. Makes me wonder if it's Europe that needs reform rather than Muslims. The world isn't blonde and blue eyed. Deal with it.

Incineration! You are the Insult Master!

Europe needs to change, but i would to say the first thing that popped into my head when i read the thread title:

Oh sure, stop being rascist. Then I'll cut my balls off and run around going whopee! and everyone can point and say ' look, ball-less boy!' Try and make it happen.

I know I'm not going to make people change their minds, but I am so frustrated with the way these people think and act towards muslims. To be honest I haven't noticed any racism at all in Manchester, I have heard of some conflicts between different groups in the news every now and then in different cities, but I think that British people are mainly accepting of muslims. Or at least everyone that I know are. I am just responding to certain people on NS who want to kick all the muslims out of their country.

*Takes all the racists and transports them to India* I wish I could do that...:rolleyes:

I deplore all immigrants, from the first to third generation, irrespective of if they are Muslim, Hindu, Eastern European, Mexican or African.

So the 4th generation is ok?

How far back does your deploration go?

How long has your family been where you are?

Assimilation is dehumanization.

The US is not a culture of assimilation and we're doing just fine.

I'm no American. You stick to your knitting, and I stick to mine.

I know I'm not going to make people change their minds, but I am so frustrated with the way these people think and act towards muslims. To be honest I haven't noticed any racism at all in Manchester, I have heard of some conflicts between different groups in the news every now and then in different cities, but I think that British people are mainly accepting of muslims. Or at least everyone that I know are. I am just responding to certain people on NS who want to kick all the muslims out of their country.

*Takes all the racists and transports them to India* I wish I could do that...:rolleyes:

Try Pakistan. Not India. Nor Bangladesh.

EDIT: Oh, I suppose that Mississippi would be ok too ( for deporting racists to. )

Laugh all you like, but it's true.

You have lots of inmigrants saying otherwise. You are having problems towards that too. I'm not saying they are right, but it is indeed a problem.

thus, I'll keep laughing at your short view

But they're Europeans.

Hence, they're acting like Europeans.
Thats like saying if Im white and I live in a largely black community that by definition of where I live I am black, even though Im not in any way


I'm sorry Europeans seem so xenophobic and isolationist. Makes me wonder if it's Europe that needs reform rather than Muslims. The world isn't blonde and blue eyed. Deal with it.
Europe needs to reform? dont make laugh. In fact this part of the post really does make me laugh. Most Italians and Greeks arent blonde or blue eyed so I dont see what your getting at.

So the 4th generation is ok?

How far back does your deploration go?

How long has your family been where you are?

In Essex? 20 years.

In England? To my knowledge, since the 1200's.

So ner.:D

Bingo! You're right, we're not perfect at it just yet, but it is possible to believe in something one can never quite acheive.

What better goal to unite a diverse people than an ideal? The journey becomes more important than the destination.

What better goal to unite a diverse people than an ideal? The journey becomes more important than the destination.

If you put on that Star Trek outfit and the pointed ears, I'll slap you.

Thats like saying if Im white and I live in a largely black community that by definition of where I live I am black, even though Im not in any way

No ...

"Black" is an ethnicity. "European" is a nationality. You can't change ethnicity, you can change nationality. For example, once a person becomes a citizen of the USA, they are American, regardless of their ethnicity or religion.

Europe needs to reform? dont make laugh. In fact this part of the post really does make me laugh. Most Italians and Greeks arent blonde or blue eyed so I dont see what your getting at.

What I'm getting at is that the world doesn't fall into your narrow view.

My god ... usually it's Americans I'm yelling at about that ...

In Essex? 20 years.

In England? To my knowledge, since the 1200's.

So ner.:D

So you're an immigrant at some point. Deplore yourself do you?

If you put on that Star Trek outfit and the pointed ears, I'll slap you.

*fires phasers*

:D

So you're an immigrant at some point. Deplore yourself do you?

Naw. We don't deplore immigrants. Provided they behave like all other good citizens. Er... with the exception of Ny Nordland.

Jews always cause problems in the world.

Jews always cause problems in the world.

Well that's ... umm .... I .... that is .....

Geeze ... I actually have no way to respond to that.

There's so much wrong with it that I can't even begin.

Someone else take over. I have to go lie down.

So you're an immigrant at some point. Deplore yourself do you?

It is dependant upon quite where one considers one's perception of a nation to begin. I consider the idiosyncrasies of Britain, and, indeed, England, to be first evident in the war of the spanish succession, and embryonic empire of the period.

It is an evident truth that no individual can consider himself truly indiginous, however one must find a point wherein the definition is established, and operate from it.

Well that's ... umm .... I .... that is .....

Geeze ... I actually have no way to respond to that.

There's so much wrong with it that I can't even begin.

Someone else take over. I have to go lie down.


Night night.
*gives Keru a hallal-cookie*

Hokan = er... a cross between a jerk, a crook and 3 different stooges.

*imagines the making of Hokan*
Groupthingie.

Jews always cause problems in the world.

I know lots of Jewish people, and they're some of the best people I know.

In Canada, Muslims are more of a problem than Jews.

Jews always cause problems in the world.

If the Bible is right, we all descended from a jew. Noah. So I think that evens out. :)

If the Bible is right, we all descended from a jew. Noah. So I think that evens out. :)

Nope. Noah was not a jew. Pre-abram and all that.

Quote:Jews always cause problems in the world. :)

Well I'd like to start off by saying. You F*cking Racist B*sterd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you.

Nope. Noah was not a jew. Pre-abram and all that.

He was the ProtoJew. *nod*

Racism = Fear of the unknown. Fear of change.

Thats my personnal opinion. If racism ended the world would be a much better place.

Assimilation is dehumanization.

The US is not a culture of assimilation and we're doing just fine.
Indeed, integration rocks, because it is mutually beneficial. The immigrating culture picks up the positive traits of the receiving culture, and the receiving culture picks up the best traits of the integrating culture.

He was the ProtoJew. *nod*


mmm... for the purposes of this specific topic, I'll concur.

*cooperative smile*

noah was no jew



he was a caveman
they worshiped the sun.... the sun alone and nothing but the sun, ne one who says they worshipped other stuff like badgers and war gods and stars or the earth etc is WRONG, WRONG I TELL YOU, WWWRRROONNNGGG

this post really had no point at all

noah was no jew



he was a caveman
they worshiped the sun.... the sun alone and nothing but the sun, ne one who says they worshipped other stuff like badgers and war gods and stars or the earth etc is WRONG, WRONG I TELL YOU, WWWRRROONNNGGG

this post really had no point at all
http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/3e0/133/3e013301-eea5-4f17-bec2-290ee0d4d68c.medium

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I'm just a caveman. I fell on some ice and was later thawed by some of your scientists. Your world frightens and confuses me! When I see my image on the security camera at the country club, I wonder, are they stealing my soul? I get so upset, I hop out of my Range Rover, and run across the fairway to the clubhouse, where I get Carlos to make me one of those martinis he's so famous for, to soothe my primitive caveman brain. But whatever world you're from, I do know one thing: in the 20 years from March 22, 1972, when he first ordered that extra nicotine be put into his product, until February 25, 1992, when he issued an interoffice memorandum stopping the addition of that nicotine, my client was legally insane."

:D

Its not an issue of race that I think most people have a problem with its more religion and how some people exercise it.

I get on well with some muslims and enjoy what they offer in terms of culture and diversity, but the simple fact of the matter is toleration can only be offered to those who espouce it back to us. Friends I know how been to the middle east and they've said they felt threatend because they wernt muslim and to a large extent many muslims are simply "xenophobic" and suspicious of all non muslims. This is not of course all muslims, not even a majority but its enough to merit the concern many have voiced in this debate and in the media.

I've noticed here that a few people complain a lot about muslim immigrants and even the second/third generations. Some of you don't think muslims should be allowed to live in European countries. I have seen a lot of hatred towards this ethnic minority. I think that if everyone with this attitude towards muslims were to become more accepting of these people, then everyone would me made happier.

Just think. If you treated muslims with the same respect as you did everyone else, there would be less segregation. Okay, this is partly self-segregation, but can you blame them when they are treated as second class citizens by some people? Now I think racial segregation is a bad thing because it just encourages conflict. If people were to mix more, especially children at school, then we would understand each other more. Friendship is much better than unreasonable hatred.

So what do you lot think?
If everyone were to accept different ways of life would this make wherever we live a better place? Or is the only solution to kick all the muslims out of Europe?
What do I think? I think this is one of the reasons why we like you! :fluffle:

It's a difficult question, but one thing is certain: You won't find an answer through hatred.

You're Persian? Neat!
Hitler's Aryan. Sorry, didn't discern.

Hitler's Aryan. Sorry, didn't discern.

Oooh ... well nothin' wrong with that. If my eyes were any more blue, I'd have to copyright them.

Oooh ... well nothin' wrong with that. If my eyes were any more blue, I'd have to copyright them.
My eyes are gray-blue and I'm very blonde at the moment due to the summer sun.

We should not make them behave like everyone else. They have their own culture and they have every right to be proud of it. They can still be European whilst being different from the majority. Just like in america there is a kind of black culture, but these people are still considered american and not seen as some kind of freaks that should be kicked out of the country.

There is nothing wrong with Islamic cluture persay. What is wrong is when Muslims act unreasonably with regard to certian issues. For instance, the forestgate raid. The police did not find what they were looking for it is true, but they did find £38,000 in used notes. And the brothers who lived there when asked by the police why it was there refused to answer. Then there is the Dainish cartoons issue. Granted there was some peaceful protest, but there was also a great deal of violent and angery protest with slogans such as "Freedom go to hell" and "Europe, take a lesson from 9/11" and "Behead those who insult Islam". Also the protest response to this was far less than the protest response was far more signifcent than the response of Muslims around the world to September 11th attacks or the July 7th attacks or the Madrid attacks (whose date I have forgotten). There is also the view of many Muslims that they should not be offended in any way at all. This includes being shown things that are not of their culture. Such as the council who removed the porcilin pigs from their workplace because they may be offensive to Muslims.

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/img/2005/ep35/lancas.jpg

I think all in all all culutres need to be more thick skined and less sensative. Other cultures mere existance does not insult your own.

I think hating immigrants boils down to "Mommy! Mommy! I'm too incompetent to perform a job and that meanie brown-skinned man stole it from me by being competent! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!!!"

I think hating other religions boils down to "Mommy! Mommy! That mean man is worshipping the wrong personification and making my shaky faith insecure by existing and doing nice things in the name of someone other than MY god! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!"

I think hating homosexuals boils down to "Mommy! Mommy! Those mean gay people are doing something I find arousing and I'd like to have the guts to join them but I can't so I'll just call them icky sinners! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!"

So motherf*cking there.

I think hating immigrants boils down to "Mommy! Mommy! I'm too incompetent to perform a job and that meanie brown-skinned man stole it from me by being competent! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!!!"

I think hating other religions boils down to "Mommy! Mommy! That mean man is worshipping the wrong personification and making my shaky faith insecure by existing and doing nice things in the name of someone other than MY god! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!"

I think hating homosexuals boils down to "Mommy! Mommy! Those mean gay people are doing something I find arousing and I'd like to have the guts to join them but I can't so I'll just call them icky sinners! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!"

So motherf*cking there.
I agree wholeheartedly.

My eyes are gray-blue and I'm very blonde at the moment due to the summer sun.

Aww ... bet that's cute.

I think hating immigrants boils down to "Mommy! Mommy! I'm too incompetent to perform a job and that meanie brown-skinned man stole it from me by being competent! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!!!"

I think hating other religions boils down to "Mommy! Mommy! That mean man is worshipping the wrong personification and making my shaky faith insecure by existing and doing nice things in the name of someone other than MY god! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!"

I think hating homosexuals boils down to "Mommy! Mommy! Those mean gay people are doing something I find arousing and I'd like to have the guts to join them but I can't so I'll just call them icky sinners! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!"

So motherf*cking there.

I take my hat off to you, sir.

I take my hat off to you, sir.

Why, thank you. *Picks up hat, tosses at the necks of bigoted people, hands it back*. You were very helpful.