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Now when i'm bored and i look on the forums i see incredable amounts of christian bashing! Now i have to set some things strait.

First of all you have to make sure your bashing a REAL Christian, not some guy who says he's christian, cause thats every other guy in America, and he doesn't give about God. Not catholics cause, come on, the only serious catholic i know is judgemental and worldly, thats gotta be the most corrupt religon on earth, cept Jehova's wittnesses O.O.

Second of all, don't say were invading America, trying to change America, cause we were the first Americans, America was founded on protastant christianity. I don't care what your libral text books say, check the facts.

Third of all, makes sure you bashing Christians and and not a Christian, just because one or two are hippicritical or over do it doesn't mean all Christians are like that.

Fourth, if someone sys somthing about the bible or God don't flip out cause we have to deal with things we find offencive all day. When you are cursing and being profane, you are speaking the verses of atheism and i don't know about other christians but it drives me up a wall, but i go to a public school so... lol

Last, Christians don't or aren't sopose to hate anyone, just because we don't agree with somthing doesn't mean that we hate people who practice it.
Heres a scenario, Once in Gym (and know I'm not a hermit Christian, I have more friends then most people bi-sexuals, goths, gangsters, cause i don't judge, christians aren't sopose to judge others) there was a lesbian, now i never said anything to her, but my friend (whos gay) told her i was Christian and didn't agree with homo-sexuality, after class she cursed me out, and threatened to file harrasment, now i have a question who's harrasing who, and who hates who? By the way we're indirect friends now (I don't think she likes me V.V) .

Oh and one more thing, all events except the creation in the bible are proven through archeology.

If you have somthing intelligent to say i'd love to here it, but if your just going to be profane cause you hate morals/christians so much just make your own thread.

Have a nice day :D

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I busted a fucking gut over that post.

I just wanted to mention that we bash gays, and trolls, and Muslims, and FIFA referrees with equal regularity. :D

addendum- don't pay attention to the poor grammar of the "Christians against Christian bashing.

it is not indicitive of a true Christian's grammar


(nor is my spelling) :p








(or grammar)

Now when i'm bored and i look on the forums i see incredable amounts of christian bashing! Now i have to set some things strait.

First of all you have to make sure your bashing a REAL Christian, not some guy who says he's christian, cause thats every other guy in America, and he doesn't give about God. Not catholics cause, come on, the only serious catholic i know is judgemental and worldly, thats gotta be the most corrupt religon on earth, cept Jehova's wittnesses O.O.

Second of all, don't say were invading America, trying to change America, cause we were the first Americans, America was founded on protastant christianity. I don't care what your libral text books say, check the facts.

Third of all, makes sure you bashing Christians and and not a Christian, just because one or two are hippicritical or over do it doesn't mean all Christians are like that.

Fourth, if someone sys somthing about the bible or God don't flip out cause we have to deal with things we find offencive all day. When you are cursing and being profane, you are speaking the verses of atheism and i don't know about other christians but it drives me up a wall, but i go to a public school so... lol

Last, Christians don't or aren't sopose to hate anyone, just because we don't agree with somthing doesn't mean that we hate people who practice it.
Heres a scenario, Once in Gym (and know I'm not a hermit Christian, I have more friends then most people bi-sexuals, goths, gangsters, cause i don't judge, christians aren't sopose to judge others) there was a lesbian, now i never said anything to her, but my friend (whos gay) told her i was Christian and didn't agree with homo-sexuality, after class she cursed me out, and threatened to file harrasment, now i have a question who's harrasing who, and who hates who? By the way we're indirect friends now (I don't think she likes me V.V) .

Oh and one more thing, all events except the creation in the bible are proven through archeology.

If you have somthing intelligent to say i'd love to here it, but if your just going to be profane cause you hate morals/christians so much just make your own thread.

Have a nice day :D

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Too many errors and too little intelligence. I didn't read it. 3 of 10.

*yawn*
I want my 2 minutes back

Too many errors and too little intelligence. I didn't read it. 3 of 10.
30%?! you didn't even read 30%?!

how rude. ;)

Just know that my god is the true one. His name is Steve.

This is hilarious:

Not catholics cause, come on, the only serious catholic i know is judgemental and worldly, thats gotta be the most corrupt religon on earth, cept Jehova's wittnesses O.O.

Translation:
"Catholicism is corrupt and I'm basing that on my knowledge of a single Catholic. I'm prejudging one billion people based on one persons actions."

cause i don't judge, christians aren't sopose to judge others

"... but I don't judge others..."

In a world where there are so many different point of views, perspectives, beliefs, and what not, bashing is inevitable, theres nothing you can really do about it.

Well, I don't know about bashing, but here's some baiting . . .
If Jesus truly died for our sins, isn't it ungrateful of us not to commit them?

I'm a Catholic, and aside from that comment, I agree totally.

POLITICAL DISCOURSE COMMANTMENT #1:


Thou shalt not bash Religion (unless, of course, that religion os Catholicism)

Now when i'm bored and i look on the forums i see incredable amounts of christian bashing! Now i have to set some things strait.

First of all you have to make sure your bashing a REAL Christian, not some guy who says he's christian, cause thats every other guy in America, and he doesn't give about God. Not catholics cause, come on, the only serious catholic i know is judgemental and worldly, thats gotta be the most corrupt religon on earth, cept Jehova's wittnesses O.O.

Second of all, don't say were invading America, trying to change America, cause we were the first Americans, America was founded on protastant christianity. I don't care what your libral text books say, check the facts.

Third of all, makes sure you bashing Christians and and not a Christian, just because one or two are hippicritical or over do it doesn't mean all Christians are like that.

Fourth, if someone sys somthing about the bible or God don't flip out cause we have to deal with things we find offencive all day. When you are cursing and being profane, you are speaking the verses of atheism and i don't know about other christians but it drives me up a wall, but i go to a public school so... lol

Last, Christians don't or aren't sopose to hate anyone, just because we don't agree with somthing doesn't mean that we hate people who practice it.
Heres a scenario, Once in Gym (and know I'm not a hermit Christian, I have more friends then most people bi-sexuals, goths, gangsters, cause i don't judge, christians aren't sopose to judge others) there was a lesbian, now i never said anything to her, but my friend (whos gay) told her i was Christian and didn't agree with homo-sexuality, after class she cursed me out, and threatened to file harrasment, now i have a question who's harrasing who, and who hates who? By the way we're indirect friends now (I don't think she likes me V.V) .

Oh and one more thing, all events except the creation in the bible are proven through archeology.

If you have somthing intelligent to say i'd love to here it, but if your just going to be profane cause you hate morals/christians so much just make your own thread.

Have a nice day :D

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oh, boohoo! everyone gets fucking bashed on this forum. from pinko liberal commie bastards like myself to bible-thumping gun-crazy bush-licking nutjobs like some others i don't care to mention. and all peoople between and outwith these categories. it's one of the things that make this forum so much fun.

Now when i'm bored and i look on the forums i see incredable amounts of christian bashing! Now i have to set some things strait.

If we're getting things "strait" can we start with your spelling? :p

First of all you have to make sure your bashing a REAL Christian, not some guy who says he's christian, cause thats every other guy in America, and he doesn't give about God. Not catholics cause, come on, the only serious catholic i know is judgemental and worldly, thats gotta be the most corrupt religon on earth, cept Jehova's wittnesses O.O.

Well, let's not be judgemental and go around deciding who the REAL christians are based on their sect, hmmm?

Second of all, don't say were invading America, trying to change America, cause we were the first Americans, America was founded on protastant christianity. I don't care what your libral text books say, check the facts.

I would really like to see these liberal textbooks. Some interesting reading, I bet.

Third of all, makes sure you bashing Christians and and not a Christian, just because one or two are hippicritical or over do it doesn't mean all Christians are like that.

Good point.

Fourth, if someone sys somthing about the bible or God don't flip out cause we have to deal with things we find offencive all day. When you are cursing and being profane, you are speaking the verses of atheism and i don't know about other christians but it drives me up a wall, but i go to a public school so... lol

Cursing and profanity are the verses of atheism? :confused:

Last, Christians don't or aren't sopose to hate anyone, just because we don't agree with somthing doesn't mean that we hate people who practice it.

Heres a scenario, Once in Gym (and know I'm not a hermit Christian, I have more friends then most people bi-sexuals, goths, gangsters, cause i don't judge, christians aren't sopose to judge others) there was a lesbian, now i never said anything to her, but my friend (whos gay) told her i was Christian and didn't agree with homo-sexuality, after class she cursed me out, and threatened to file harrasment, now i have a question who's harrasing who, and who hates who? By the way we're indirect friends now (I don't think she likes me V.V) .

The wonderful thing about love and hate is that everyone is capable of them.

Oh and one more thing, all events except the creation in the bible are proven through archeology.

Err...uhhh...I'd really like to know which "archeologists" you've been talking to.

If you have somthing intelligent to say i'd love to here it, but if your just going to be profane cause you hate morals/christians so much just make your own thread.

No thanks. I have nothing against morals or Christians, and there are plenty of Christian-bashing threads already.

Have a nice day :D

You too.

I take it that you have no religion, because if you did then you would know:

POLITICAL DISCOURSE COMMANTMENT #1:


Thou shalt not bash Religion

oh and the archaeology thing. i'm an archaeologist (specialising in mesopotamia, where much of the bible is set) and i am going to dispute that. there is a significant movement within the field of archaeology which carries out 'biblical archaeology'. the very fact that such a movement exists, for me, largely discounts any interpretation they make of their finds. their premise is going to influence their discoveries and the interpretations they put to them too much to be really taken seriously. not to say it's all BS, i just take it all with a bucket of salt.

oh and the archaeology thing. i'm an archaeologist (specialising in mesopotamia, where much of the bible is set) and i am going to dispute that. there is a significant movement within the field of archaeology which carries out 'biblical archaeology'. the very fact that such a movement exists, for me, largely discounts any interpretation they make of their finds. their premise is going to influence their discoveries and the interpretations they put to them too much to be really taken seriously. not to say it's all BS, i just take it all with a bucket of salt.
Or perhaps a pillar of salt? ;)

I don't bash Christians.

It ruins the meat and makes them taste mushy.

Or perhaps a pillar of salt? ;)

Oh, yes, they are good with salt.

Or perhaps a pillar of salt? ;)
mwahaha! that was good XD

Too many errors and too little intelligence. I didn't read it. 3 of 10.
if you didn't read it, how do you know it had too little intelligence and a lot of errors?
:D

I would really like to see these liberal textbooks. Some interesting reading, I bet.
I believe our OP is refering to the liberal textbooks that claim "Native Americans" were here first. If true, they were only put here by God as placeholders for His Chosen, and may not be actual human beings in any event. /sarcasm off, jic ;)

if you didn't read it, how do you know it had too little intelligence and a lot of errors?
:D

I'm just awesome like that.

if you didn't read it, how do you know it had too little intelligence and a lot of errors?
:D

He's trying to suppress the memory. :cool:

if you didn't read it, how do you know it had too little intelligence and a lot of errors?
:D
Scanning would be adequate, methinks.

I'm just awesome like that.
you're humble... I like that. too bad you're not as humble as me. :p

He's trying to suppress the memory. :cool:
and failing.. if he remembers the number of errors and lack of intelligence. ;)

Now when i'm bored and i look on the forums i see incredable amounts of christian bashing! Now i have to set some things strait.

First of all you have to make sure your bashing a REAL Christian, not some guy who says he's christian, cause thats every other guy in America, and he doesn't give about God. Not catholics cause, come on, the only serious catholic i know is judgemental and worldly, thats gotta be the most corrupt religon on earth, cept Jehova's wittnesses O.O.

Second of all, don't say were invading America, trying to change America, cause we were the first Americans, America was founded on protastant christianity. I don't care what your libral text books say, check the facts.

Third of all, makes sure you bashing Christians and and not a Christian, just because one or two are hippicritical or over do it doesn't mean all Christians are like that.

Fourth, if someone sys somthing about the bible or God don't flip out cause we have to deal with things we find offencive all day. When you are cursing and being profane, you are speaking the verses of atheism and i don't know about other christians but it drives me up a wall, but i go to a public school so... lol

Last, Christians don't or aren't sopose to hate anyone, just because we don't agree with somthing doesn't mean that we hate people who practice it.
Heres a scenario, Once in Gym (and know I'm not a hermit Christian, I have more friends then most people bi-sexuals, goths, gangsters, cause i don't judge, christians aren't sopose to judge others) there was a lesbian, now i never said anything to her, but my friend (whos gay) told her i was Christian and didn't agree with homo-sexuality, after class she cursed me out, and threatened to file harrasment, now i have a question who's harrasing who, and who hates who? By the way we're indirect friends now (I don't think she likes me V.V) .

Oh and one more thing, all events except the creation in the bible are proven through archeology.

If you have somthing intelligent to say i'd love to here it, but if your just going to be profane cause you hate morals/christians so much just make your own thread.

Have a nice day :D

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Amen my Christan Brother!

I believe our OP is refering to the liberal textbooks that claim "Native Americans" were here first. If true, they were only put here by God as placeholders for His Chosen, and may not be actual human beings in any event. /sarcasm off, jic ;)

*nods sagely* Ahhh.....I understand now.

Scanning would be adequate, methinks.
which means he read it. comprehension is what's missing from scanning. :D :D

which would explain the notion of a lack of intelligence in the OP... :p

Now 4 me 2 defend myself :D, not say thats others aren't bashed as well i just need to set some facts, and sorry i can't spell so deal with it :D, yeah and i know the catholic part is a little judgemental but sometimes i can't help it i argue with alot of catholics and they will continue to argue when they have lost, it's not one catholic unfortunatly, my entire family is catholic,

Well, I don't know about bashing, but here's some baiting . . .
If Jesus truly died for our sins, isn't it ungrateful of us not to commit them?

no comment on that one, i mean thats awfull lol

I'm a Catholic, and aside from that comment, I agree totally.

POLITICAL DISCOURSE COMMANTMENT #1:


Thou shalt not bash Religion (unless, of course, that religion os Catholicism)

i have to laugh ^^ at that one ^^

I would really like to see these liberal textbooks. Some interesting reading, I bet.

seriously look at the content now and back in the day it realy has changed

Cursing and profanity are the verses of atheism?

Yeah pretty much, thats just what i say though lol

oh and the archaeology thing. i'm an archaeologist (specialising in mesopotamia, where much of the bible is set) and i am going to dispute that. there is a significant movement within the field of archaeology which carries out 'biblical archaeology'. the very fact that such a movement exists, for me, largely discounts any interpretation they make of their finds. their premise is going to influence their discoveries and the interpretations they put to them too much to be really taken seriously. not to say it's all BS, i just take it all with a bucket of salt.


yeah i don't the last time you looked at time magazine but i think it was maybe 13-20 years ago an archeologist found proof or the story "The walls of Jerico"

I believe our OP is refering to the liberal textbooks that claim "Native Americans" were here first. If true, they were only put here by God as placeholders for His Chosen, and may not be actual human beings in any event. /sarcasm off, jic ;)makes sense... then the Vikings that visited America were obviously not the Choosen people since they were fought back by the Blessed Native Americans... and even the Incas and Aztecs didn't make it into what is now the USA.

so we are His Choosen... http://www.websmileys.com/sm/evil/1370.gif

I believe our OP is refering to the liberal textbooks that claim "Native Americans" were here first. If true, they were only put here by God as placeholders for His Chosen, and may not be actual human beings in any event. /sarcasm off, jic ;)


Hey now your putting words in your mouth.

by the way thankx 4 the constructive critisizmz(like how i spelled that?) guys :D

"If you have somthing intelligent to say i'd love to here it, but if your just going to be profane cause you hate morals/christians so much just make your own thread."


Holy Crap Batman! I'll say something intelligent to you when you pass Grade 3 English. Honestly, how do you expect to be taken seriously, you're barely literate!

Anyone else of this opinion?

... cause you hate morals/christians so much...

So you're saying that by Christian bashing, I exude hatred for not only Christians, but morals themselves?
The last time I checked, Christianity was not the only religion with morals, so step down off your soapbox, please.

*Charges into thread with a spiked club* Where are the christians?

So you're saying that by Christian bashing, I exude hatred for not only Christians, but morals themselves?
The last time I checked, Christianity was not the only religion with morals, so step down off your soapbox, please.


ypu got to admit no matter what religon it is, some people just dont like the fact that they have to obey laws

Hey now your putting words in your mouth.
Now my putting words in your mouth what? Or did you mean "you're"?
Not distinguishing between the possesive and contractive forms merely lends credence to the arguments against your intelligence (although by no means is it conclusive proof).

Now when i'm bored and i look on the forums i see incredable amounts of christian bashing! Now i have to set some things strait.

First of all you have to make sure your bashing a REAL Christian, not some guy who says he's christian, cause thats every other guy in America, and he doesn't give about God. Not catholics cause, come on, the only serious catholic i know is judgemental and worldly, thats gotta be the most corrupt religon on earth, cept Jehova's wittnesses O.O.

Second of all, don't say were invading America, trying to change America, cause we were the first Americans, America was founded on protastant christianity. I don't care what your libral text books say, check the facts.

Third of all, makes sure you bashing Christians and and not a Christian, just because one or two are hippicritical or over do it doesn't mean all Christians are like that.

Fourth, if someone sys somthing about the bible or God don't flip out cause we have to deal with things we find offencive all day. When you are cursing and being profane, you are speaking the verses of atheism and i don't know about other christians but it drives me up a wall, but i go to a public school so... lol

Last, Christians don't or aren't sopose to hate anyone, just because we don't agree with somthing doesn't mean that we hate people who practice it.
Heres a scenario, Once in Gym (and know I'm not a hermit Christian, I have more friends then most people bi-sexuals, goths, gangsters, cause i don't judge, christians aren't sopose to judge others) there was a lesbian, now i never said anything to her, but my friend (whos gay) told her i was Christian and didn't agree with homo-sexuality, after class she cursed me out, and threatened to file harrasment, now i have a question who's harrasing who, and who hates who? By the way we're indirect friends now (I don't think she likes me V.V) .

Oh and one more thing, all events except the creation in the bible are proven through archeology.

If you have somthing intelligent to say i'd love to here it, but if your just going to be profane cause you hate morals/christians so much just make your own thread.

Have a nice day :D

<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3

Hey, I was looking at this thinking Thank God, some one standing up for christians and you say that Catholics are corrupt. Get to know some real Catholics before you judge us all. There are Catholic Jesus Freaks to. Follow your own guidlines, don't judge all of us because of one guy who is Cathoplic in name only.

Third of all, makes sure you bashing Christians and and not a Christian, just because one or two are hippicritical or over do it doesn't mean all Christians are like that.

I am sick of APA-esque propaganda displaying us as worldly, corrupt people. Don't judge all by the actions of some.

Now when i'm bored and i look on the forums i see incredable amounts of christian bashing! Now i have to set some things strait.

First of all you have to make sure your bashing a REAL Christian, not some guy who says he's christian, cause thats every other guy in America, and he doesn't give about God. Not catholics cause, come on, the only serious catholic i know is judgemental and worldly, thats gotta be the most corrupt religon on earth, cept Jehova's wittnesses O.O.

Second of all, don't say were invading America, trying to change America, cause we were the first Americans, America was founded on protastant christianity. I don't care what your libral text books say, check the facts.

Third of all, makes sure you bashing Christians and and not a Christian, just because one or two are hippicritical or over do it doesn't mean all Christians are like that.

Fourth, if someone sys somthing about the bible or God don't flip out cause we have to deal with things we find offencive all day. When you are cursing and being profane, you are speaking the verses of atheism and i don't know about other christians but it drives me up a wall, but i go to a public school so... lol

Last, Christians don't or aren't sopose to hate anyone, just because we don't agree with somthing doesn't mean that we hate people who practice it.
Heres a scenario, Once in Gym (and know I'm not a hermit Christian, I have more friends then most people bi-sexuals, goths, gangsters, cause i don't judge, christians aren't sopose to judge others) there was a lesbian, now i never said anything to her, but my friend (whos gay) told her i was Christian and didn't agree with homo-sexuality, after class she cursed me out, and threatened to file harrasment, now i have a question who's harrasing who, and who hates who? By the way we're indirect friends now (I don't think she likes me V.V) .

Oh and one more thing, all events except the creation in the bible are proven through archeology.

If you have somthing intelligent to say i'd love to here it, but if your just going to be profane cause you hate morals/christians so much just make your own thread.

Have a nice day :D

<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3


Ok sorry guy, but your deluded, we all are, its a common thing but listen to this. Im a Catholic, and ask anyone who knows me, Im no where near worldly and I do what I can not to judge. Just because 2% thats 2 out of 100 of priests were molesting children, which by the way they joined the priesthood with that purpose knowing it would be the best coverup they were never good people sorry our screening wasnt great in the 60s and 70s so many pepole joining the priesthood, tha does not mkae our church corrupt, only some of teh people who falsely claim to be union with it. Christians should love everyone and if your going ot harp on judging people, try not to judge someone the next line. Im all about morals and christianity and I hate all the offense crap I catch as a Catholic from people, yea even when it comes from you....
I know my religion, I have soldd reasoning for being a catholic, Im not ignorant, Im not out to control people. We arent a conspiracy, the medieval times are over guys, the church doesn't do all the crap you avoid it for. Try actually listening to what we teach and why we teach it.With all this hype about the gospel of Mary and the Gospel of Judas I just wanna say this: if you can't handle that we said some of these "other" books of the bible are excluded because we saw that they were false, then sorry. But there are always people who try ot mess up a good thing. People wrote fales accounts of christ to cause confusion, Christ had a lot of enemies, so we got together, found who was lying after careful study, meditation, and prayer, and came up with what we have today.

"If you have somthing intelligent to say i'd love to here it, but if your just going to be profane cause you hate morals/christians so much just make your own thread."


Holy Crap Batman! I'll say something intelligent to you when you pass Grade 3 English. Honestly, how do you expect to be taken seriously, you're barely literate!

Anyone else of this opinion?



hey gimme a break im doing AOL at the same time, and im just bored i'm not handing this in as my resume

*Charges into thread with a spiked club* Where are the christians?
Wheeee! :p

yeah i don't the last time you looked at time magazine but i think it was maybe 13-20 years ago an archeologist found proof or the story "The walls of Jerico"

Is that swooshing sound I hear a sweeping generalisation? Why, yes!

How about something in the Bible which has been found not to be true by archaelogy? In Joshua 8:1-29 Joshua obliterates an entire city, kills the whole population and hangs their king on a tree [nice guy]. But, um...The city of Ai was actually abandoned long before then and was a heap of ruins when the Israelites found it.

Also, just to make it even sillier, Joshua says he made it desolate forever, but in Nehemiah 7:32 it's listed among the cities of Israel.

yeah i don't the last time you looked at time magazine but i think it was maybe 13-20 years ago an archeologist found proof or the story "The walls of Jerico"
yeh, the location of jericho was corroborated with texts other than the christian bible. and they proved it had big walls but there is still no accepted interpretation as to why such a small city with little evidence of warfare in the strata within or around the city should have such big walls. i can't really remember the story concerning jericho - wasn't someone supposed to have entered through a sewer or other outlet in the wall and sacked it? i think they found a possible sewer thingy but it hardly proves the bible :p. stuff as old as this cannot constitute proof, it is evidence that is open to as many different interpretations as there are researchers.

Ok sorry guy, but your deluded, we all are, its a common thing but listen to this. Im a Catholic, and ask anyone who knows me, Im no where near worldly and I do what I can not to judge. Just because 2% thats 2 out of 100 of priests were molesting children, which by the way they joined the priesthood with that purpose knowing it would be the best coverup they were never good people sorry our screening wasnt great in the 60s and 70s so many pepole joining the priesthood, tha does not mkae our church corrupt, only some of teh people who falsely claim to be union with it. Christians should love everyone and if your going ot harp on judging people, try not to judge someone the next line. Im all about morals and christianity and I hate all the offense crap I catch as a Catholic from people, yea even when it comes from you....
I know my religion, I have soldd reasoning for being a catholic, Im not ignorant, Im not out to control people. We arent a conspiracy, the medieval times are over guys, the church doesn't do all the crap you avoid it for. Try actually listening to what we teach and why we teach it.With all this hype about the gospel of Mary and the Gospel of Judas I just wanna say this: if you can't handle that we said some of these "other" books of the bible are excluded because we saw that they were false, then sorry. But there are always people who try ot mess up a good thing. People wrote fales accounts of christ to cause confusion, Christ had a lot of enemies, so we got together, found who was lying after careful study, meditation, and prayer, and came up with what we have today.

Woa buddy u just opened up a new world lol

yeah and i know the catholic part is a little judgemental but sometimes i can't help it i argue with alot of catholics and they will continue to argue when they have lost, it's not one catholic unfortunatly, my entire family is catholic,

How lovely for you. Half of my family is Catholic. But even if they weren't, I wouldn't be so judgemental of Catholics anymore than I would be of atheists, Hindus, Jews, Wiccans, or animists.

seriously look at the content now and back in the day it realy has changed

Yeah. That means we know more about stuff than we did before. Please don't tell me you're equating greater knowledge with liberalism.

Yeah pretty much, thats just what i say though lol

wow.

ypu got to admit no matter what religon it is, some people just dont like the fact that they have to obey laws

That's true. But I was pointing out that, the way you put it, it sounded as though hating Christians was the same as hating morality. Someone can hate Christians and still adhere to their own religion's set of morals.

Ok, let's take this up one at a time. Mainly because I am a glutton for punishment.

Now when i'm bored and i look on the forums i see incredable amounts of christian bashing! Now i have to set some things strait.
And here we see you're going to have a really fun time here. But welcome to NS General.

First of all you have to make sure your bashing a REAL Christian, not some guy who says he's christian, cause thats every other guy in America, and he doesn't give about God. Not catholics cause, come on, the only serious catholic i know is judgemental and worldly, thats gotta be the most corrupt religon on earth, cept Jehova's wittnesses O.O.
何だHell? Ok, we'll make sure we're bashing only real Christians.

Er, wait, can I bash them if I am a real Christian or can only non-Christians bash Christians once they find out if they are real or not? And how do they they find out? Do we have a lable we must scan in and post on the board? You know, "100% real Christian, tag not to be removed under penalty of law"?

Second of all, don't say were invading America, trying to change America, cause we were the first Americans, America was founded on protastant christianity. I don't care what your libral text books say, check the facts.
Um... no. The first non natives here were the Vikings, they worshiped Odin and Thor. The NEXT non-natives were sailors who seemed to be more interested in getting drunk. It takes a while before you get to Christian founders. Now the framers of the Constitution were a very diverse lot, but most were Deists and not, per say, Christians.

Fact checking.

Third of all, makes sure you bashing Christians and and not a Christian, just because one or two are hippicritical or over do it doesn't mean all Christians are like that.
*blink blink blink* Okkkkkaaay, will do. I think.

Fourth, if someone sys somthing about the bible or God don't flip out cause we have to deal with things we find offencive all day. When you are cursing and being profane, you are speaking the verses of atheism and i don't know about other christians but it drives me up a wall, but i go to a public school so... lol
I wasn't aware that atheism had verses. It would be kinda hard considering they don't have a religion period.

Last, Christians don't or aren't sopose to hate anyone, just because we don't agree with somthing doesn't mean that we hate people who practice it.
Heres a scenario, Once in Gym (and know I'm not a hermit Christian, I have more friends then most people bi-sexuals, goths, gangsters, cause i don't judge, christians aren't sopose to judge others) there was a lesbian, now i never said anything to her, but my friend (whos gay) told her i was Christian and didn't agree with homo-sexuality, after class she cursed me out, and threatened to file harrasment, now i have a question who's harrasing who, and who hates who? By the way we're indirect friends now (I don't think she likes me V.V) .
Ah... the whole hate the sin but not the sinner argument. The problem being that if you hate part of a person, you are in fact hating the person. Most people tend to take this personally.

Oh and one more thing, all events except the creation in the bible are proven through archeology.
Uh... riiiiiiiiiight. More like we can show that cities with names from the Bible exsisted. We can show some of the figures in the Bible probably were real. But no one has ever shown mana from Heaven, water into wine, or burning bushes.

If you have somthing intelligent to say i'd love to here it, but if your just going to be profane cause you hate morals/christians so much just make your own thread.
You're REALLY going to have fun here.

Have a nice day :D
*Spaceballs* Thank you!

Like i said sorry bout the catholic stuff but I get attached so much by Catholics i can't help it mybe you've taught me somthing :D

but i still don;t agree with you ^^

I just wanted to mention that we bash gays, and trolls, and Muslims, and FIFA referrees with equal regularity. :D

I'm often accused of being a troll when I defend Christian truths. But they don't refute my actual arguments, they go negative simply because the truth upsets the "progressive" socialist majority (or at least most frequent posters) on this Forum.

hey gimme a break im doing AOL at the same time, and im just bored i'm not handing this in as my resume
just as well then. not sure what you'd qualify for here if you were. transient sill religious type? dunno.

How lovely for you. Half of my family is Catholic. But even if they weren't, I wouldn't be so judgemental of Catholics anymore than I would be of atheists, Hindus, Jews, Wiccans, or animists..

Why are you so upset with your family?

While Roman Catholicism has a lot of issues nowadays, it is Christ's holy Church.

Real people. People who are sane. Clear thinkers. They all seperate in their mind every notion into two basic categories. Fact and Opinion. It's tricky to know which is which sometimes, but it's important to find out. Trouble always comes when facts and opinions become mixed and misclassified. Look at Tom Cruise and Isaac Hayes for instance.

Now I don't think any of that is incorrect, or biased (except against two scientology douchebags).

Now if someone wants to debate an opinion well I must say the Jewish types seem to be good at that. Two Jewish guys in a room and three opinions etc.

People who debate facts though have a bit of a problem.

Now it's a fact that Pi is 3.14yadda yadda. Anyone tries to tell me it's 4 is in for trouble ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill ) . That kind of thinking is plumb loco.

It's my opinion that most Americans are good people, and maybe it's their advisors are confused. That kind of thinking may be plumb loco, or maybe not. It could be debated.

So we establish that it is pointless to debate facts, and it's as pointless to treat opinion as fact.

So far as I can see religion is a matter of opinion guided by faith and belief.

The problem is when opinions are treated as facts, and facts treated like opinions.

When you deny the fact that the world is 4 billion or so years old. When you say fossils are a test of some kind. That saddens me because I know you have substituted opinion for fact. It seriously weakens your credibility.

I'm often accused of being a troll when I defend Christian truths. But they don't refute my actual arguments, they go negative simply because the truth upsets the "progressive" socialist majority (or at least most frequent posters) on this Forum.

I think you're probably accused of being a troll for using personal attacks, like, say, accusing people of being negative because 'the truth upsets them.'

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I'm often accused of being a troll when I defend Christian truths. But they don't refute my actual arguments, they go negative simply because the truth upsets the "progressive" socialist majority (or at least most frequent posters) on this Forum.
Probably because your 'truths' always boil down to "The Bible says so" and its very hard to debate that because there is nothing to debate.

hey gimme a break im doing AOL at the same time, and im just bored i'm not handing this in as my resume

your "doing AOL" are you....so AOL (and boredom) is the source of your illiteracy... is that what your say to Mommy and Daddy when report card (i.e. your "resume") time comes around...lol

Real people. People who are sane. Clear thinkers. They all seperate in their mind every notion into two basic categories. Fact and Opinion. It's tricky to know which is which sometimes, but it's important to find out. Trouble always comes when facts and opinions become mixed and misclassified. Look at Tom Cruise and Isaac Hayes for instance.

Now I don't think any of that is incorrect, or biased (except against two scientology douchebags).

Now if someone wants to debate an opinion well I must say the Jewish types seem to be good at that. Two Jewish guys in a room and three opinions etc.

People who debate facts though have a bit of a problem.

Now it's a fact that Pi is 3.14yadda yadda. Anyone tries to tell me it's 4 is in for trouble ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill ) . That kind of thinking is plumb loco.

It's my opinion that most Americans are good people, and maybe it's their advisors are confused. That kind of thinking may be plumb loco, or maybe not. It could be debated.

So we establish that it is pointless to debate facts, and it's as pointless to treat opinion as fact.

So far as I can see religion is a matter of opinion guided by faith and belief.

The problem is when opinions are treated as facts, and facts treated like opinions.

When you deny the fact that the world is 4 billion or so years old. When you say fossils are a test of some kind. That saddens me because I know you have substituted opinion for fact. It seriously weakens your credibility.

did u no dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible?

Probably because your 'truths' always boil down to "The Bible says so" and its very hard to debate that because there is nothing to debate.

I almost never quote Scripture or use that as an argument. I do use morality, I and think, no matter what religion you are, or even if your of no religion, but care about right and wrong, I think using morality is very legitimate. In fact, I think all the debates in government should always be about our values.

Probably because your 'truths' always boil down to "The Bible says so" and its very hard to debate that because there is nothing to debate.


......wow

i tried to read your post..yawn!!!!
have you got any thing intresting to say mate..

Why are you so upset with your family?

While Roman Catholicism has a lot of issues nowadays, it is Christ's holy Church.

I'm not upset with my family. I'm not sure how I gave the impression that I was. :confused:

And I'm well aware that the Church has a lot of issues, being a practicing and involved Catholic.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Selfuria
Now when i'm bored and i look on the forums i see incredable amounts of christian bashing! Now i have to set some things strait.

First of all you have to make sure your bashing a REAL Christian, not some guy who says he's christian, cause thats every other guy in America, and he doesn't give about God. Not catholics cause, come on, the only serious catholic i know is judgemental and worldly, thats gotta be the most corrupt religon on earth, cept Jehova's wittnesses O.O.

Second of all, don't say were invading America, trying to change America, cause we were the first Americans, America was founded on protastant christianity. I don't care what your libral text books say, check the facts.

Third of all, makes sure you bashing Christians and and not a Christian, just because one or two are hippicritical or over do it doesn't mean all Christians are like that.

Fourth, if someone sys somthing about the bible or God don't flip out cause we have to deal with things we find offencive all day. When you are cursing and being profane, you are speaking the verses of atheism and i don't know about other christians but it drives me up a wall, but i go to a public school so... lol

Last, Christians don't or aren't sopose to hate anyone, just because we don't agree with somthing doesn't mean that we hate people who practice it.
Heres a scenario, Once in Gym (and know I'm not a hermit Christian, I have more friends then most people bi-sexuals, goths, gangsters, cause i don't judge, christians aren't sopose to judge others) there was a lesbian, now i never said anything to her, but my friend (whos gay) told her i was Christian and didn't agree with homo-sexuality, after class she cursed me out, and threatened to file harrasment, now i have a question who's harrasing who, and who hates who? By the way we're indirect friends now (I don't think she likes me V.V) .

Oh and one more thing, all events except the creation in the bible are proven through archeology.

If you have somthing intelligent to say i'd love to here it, but if your just going to be profane cause you hate morals/christians so much just make your own thread.

Have a nice day

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Amen my Christan Brother!
you are a joke full stop maybe if christians stoped contradicting them selves at every chance they get to defend themselves:headbang: then maybe we would get sick of contradicting them

I love how people say it's so unintresting, but they take the time to post about it XD

did u no dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible?
Here we go.... :rolleyes:

hey lets talk about somthing intresting....
The Da vince Code...views:sniper:

Ok, let's take this up one at a time. Mainly because I am a glutton for punishment.


And here we see you're going to have a really fun time here. But welcome to NS General.


何だHell? Ok, we'll make sure we're bashing only real Christians.

Er, wait, can I bash them if I am a real Christian or can only non-Christians bash Christians once they find out if they are real or not? And how do they they find out? Do we have a lable we must scan in and post on the board? You know, "100% real Christian, tag not to be removed under penalty of law"?


Um... no. The first non natives here were the Vikings, they worshiped Odin and Thor. The NEXT non-natives were sailors who seemed to be more interested in getting drunk. It takes a while before you get to Christian founders. Now the framers of the Constitution were a very diverse lot, but most were Deists and not, per say, Christians.

Fact checking.


*blink blink blink* Okkkkkaaay, will do. I think.


I wasn't aware that atheism had verses. It would be kinda hard considering they don't have a religion period.


Ah... the whole hate the sin but not the sinner argument. The problem being that if you hate part of a person, you are in fact hating the person. Most people tend to take this personally.


Uh... riiiiiiiiiight. More like we can show that cities with names from the Bible exsisted. We can show some of the figures in the Bible probably were real. But no one has ever shown mana from Heaven, water into wine, or burning bushes.


You're REALLY going to have fun here.


*Spaceballs* Thank you!



NOW I'LL BUY THIS PERSON A DRINK! CHEERS!

did u no dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible?
We've got a nutball on the radio every morning, claims Genesis is the literal truth, and dinosaurs were around as recently as 300 years ago, the earth being only 6000 years old itself.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Selfuria
Now when i'm bored and i look on the forums i see incredable amounts of christian bashing! Now i have to set some things strait.

First of all you have to make sure your bashing a REAL Christian, not some guy who says he's christian, cause thats every other guy in America, and he doesn't give about God. Not catholics cause, come on, the only serious catholic i know is judgemental and worldly, thats gotta be the most corrupt religon on earth, cept Jehova's wittnesses O.O.

Second of all, don't say were invading America, trying to change America, cause we were the first Americans, America was founded on protastant christianity. I don't care what your libral text books say, check the facts.

Third of all, makes sure you bashing Christians and and not a Christian, just because one or two are hippicritical or over do it doesn't mean all Christians are like that.

Fourth, if someone sys somthing about the bible or God don't flip out cause we have to deal with things we find offencive all day. When you are cursing and being profane, you are speaking the verses of atheism and i don't know about other christians but it drives me up a wall, but i go to a public school so... lol

Last, Christians don't or aren't sopose to hate anyone, just because we don't agree with somthing doesn't mean that we hate people who practice it.
Heres a scenario, Once in Gym (and know I'm not a hermit Christian, I have more friends then most people bi-sexuals, goths, gangsters, cause i don't judge, christians aren't sopose to judge others) there was a lesbian, now i never said anything to her, but my friend (whos gay) told her i was Christian and didn't agree with homo-sexuality, after class she cursed me out, and threatened to file harrasment, now i have a question who's harrasing who, and who hates who? By the way we're indirect friends now (I don't think she likes me V.V) .

Oh and one more thing, all events except the creation in the bible are proven through archeology.

If you have somthing intelligent to say i'd love to here it, but if your just going to be profane cause you hate morals/christians so much just make your own thread.

Have a nice day

<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3


Amen my Christan Brother!
you are a joke full stop maybe if christians stoped contradicting them selves at every chance they get to defend themselves:headbang: then maybe we would get sick of contradicting them

hey i may hippicritical some times but when did i contradict myself?

did u no dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible?

No, because they aren't. Leviathan is a crocodile and Behemoth is a hippo.

We've got a nutball on the radio every morning, claims Genesis is the literal truth, and dinosaurs were around as recently as 300 years ago, the earth being only 6000 years old itself.



so now your basing your whole oppinion on one person ^^.

did u no dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible?

Really, where are they mentioned?

And I want to ask you a question. Is it possible that the Garden of Eden was a Morality tale, and not intended to be taken litterally?

bashings a dragons best hobby:upyours:

hey lets talk about somthing intresting....
The Da vince Code...views:sniper:



Davinci Code had no valid edvidence and ended up proving christianity more correct

I love how people say it's so unintresting, but they take the time to post about it XD
one of the many paradoxes of NSG. probably cuz a thread like this is ripe for spamming - it has a tempting title and an OP riddled with contradictions. just the sort of thing to get the post whores out :D

Is that swooshing sound I hear a sweeping generalisation? Why, yes!

How about something in the Bible which has been found not to be true by archaelogy? In Joshua 8:1-29 Joshua obliterates an entire city, kills the whole population and hangs their king on a tree [nice guy]. But, um...The city of Ai was actually abandoned long before then and was a heap of ruins when the Israelites found it.

Also, just to make it even sillier, Joshua says he made it desolate forever, but in Nehemiah 7:32 it's listed among the cities of Israel.


Ok. Sometimes things arent great. The first authors of the bible were nt particularly gifted guys. The intellignets thought religion was stupid, hmm that sounds like the U.S.... anyways. So they got all this divine inspiration which is beyond human words and they did a bad job of expressing the true message sometimes, but that message is still there, its jsut a little difficult to pull out the true message. Not everything in the bible is literal, in fact alot of it isn't, they liek the metaphor but were bad at doing. Anyways things taht are literal, the ressuretion of christ stuff like that. And those things we do hld as historicaly accurate, for the most part, are backed by archaeology.

bashings a dragons best hobby:upyours:
1) That doesn't even make sense.

2) Just leave. Save your time, and ours.

so now your basing your whole oppinion on one person ^^.
Only my opinion of that one person ;)

hey i may hippicritical some times but when did i contradict myself?
that's about the most awesomest question i ever heard. i hope you were being sincere because that would make it even funnier, roflmao!!

You people take yourselves too seriously.

The moment you decide that a certain topic no longer can be ridiculed or questioned is the moment that you stop learning about that topic. The moment that you make something so sacred that nothing can touch it is the moment that that concept becomes worthless.


And by the way, this thread has to hold some of the worst spelling and grammar mistakes I've ever had the misfortune of seeing.

I'm not upset with my family. I'm not sure how I gave the impression that I was. :confused:

And I'm well aware that the Church has a lot of issues, being a practicing and involved Catholic.

Didn't you say you attack the Church on the forum? Nevermind then, keep doing the Lord's work.

Amen my Christan Brother!
you are a joke full stop maybe if christians stoped contradicting them selves at every chance they get to defend themselves:headbang: then maybe we would get sick of contradicting them

&$&%^#)$ onward Christian Bozos!

Wow I have lots of typos in both my posts, I've noticed you people enjoy raging on those sorts of things so I'm posting this to say that I'm not illiterate, actually I'm rated as far above average in my english skills, but the keyboards on this laptop is goofy. Anyways gotta cover my bases.

Ok. Sometimes things arent great. The first authors of the bible were nt particularly gifted guys. The intellignets thought religion was stupid, hmm that sounds like the U.S.... anyways. So they got all this divine inspiration which is beyond human words and they did a bad job of expressing the true message sometimes, but that message is still there, its jsut a little difficult to pull out the true message. Not everything in the bible is literal, in fact alot of it isn't, they liek the metaphor but were bad at doing. Anyways things taht are literal, the ressuretion of christ stuff like that. And those things we do hld as historicaly accurate, for the most part, are backed by archaeology.
WHOA! Archeological PROOF of the resurection? I stopped smokin' that herb a looooong time ago :rolleyes:

Even using morality in an argument doesn't always accomplish anything because then it becomes a matter of who's morality you're using. The fact is that the morality of many Christians is different in many ways than that of others. I think most of us, whether religious or not, can agree that murder is wrong, that rape is wrong, that child molestation is wrong, etc. but when it comes to other things it gets stickier. When it comes to same-sex marriages, euthanasia, abortion, etc. there is a huge divide between many Christians and non-Christians. To one of us, those things may all be morally wrong, to the other, there may be nothing morally wrong with them at all. Then of course there are the different belief systems of the varying religions.

I think that morality is subjective, and whether or not we quote scripture, we all argue using our own personal moral code.

The moment you decide that a certain topic no longer can be ridiculed or questioned is the moment that you stop learning about that topic. The moment that you make something so sacred that nothing can touch it is the moment that that concept becomes worthless.

If my sig wasn't so full already, this would go in there.

one of the many paradoxes of NSG. probably cuz a thread like this is ripe for spamming - it has a tempting title and an OP riddled with contradictions. just the sort of thing to get the post whores out :D
Hey, I could get paid for this? I'm just a post slut right now :cool:

Not everything in the bible is literal, in fact alot of it isn't, they liek the metaphor but were bad at doing. Anyways things taht are literal, the ressuretion of christ stuff like that. And those things we do hld as historicaly accurate, for the most part, are backed by archaeology.

In other words, if it's right yay and if it's wrong it wasn't supposed to be taken literally anyway, so it's not wrong after all? That's...Silly.

Didn't you say you attack the Church on the forum? Nevermind then, keep doing the Lord's work.

I've certainly critiqued the Church's actions at times. I'm not sure that I said anything about attacking the Church on the forum.

thats a terific point. i mean realy the bible is one the best fictional books ive ever read and id place it top ten next to harry potter, anne mccafferys pern series, and kerr.:gundge: :mp5: :sniper: :upyours: christianity is a waste of time:upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours:


Hey look it's an imorral atheist!!!! Sorry i had to do that, u prove your self wrong when you give me the finger lol

thats a terific point. i mean realy the bible is one the best fictional books ive ever read and id place it top ten next to harry potter, anne mccafferys pern series, and kerr.:gundge: :mp5: :sniper: :upyours: christianity is a waste of time:upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours:


Hey look it's an imorral atheist!!!! Sorry i had to do that, u prove your self wrong when you give me the finger lol

WHOA! Archeological PROOF of the resurection? I stopped smokin' that herb a looooong time ago :rolleyes:


Wake up! The shroud of turin. Just in case you try that carbon dating comment. The test was altered by a bacteria, they retested it, the new test leaves the date very plausibly at the exact time period it is supposed to be from.

Now when i'm bored and i look on the forums i see incredable amounts of christian bashing! Now i have to set some things strait.

First of all you have to make sure your bashing a REAL Christian, not some guy who says he's christian, cause thats every other guy in America, and he doesn't give about God. Not catholics cause, come on, the only serious catholic i know is judgemental and worldly, thats gotta be the most corrupt religon on earth, cept Jehova's wittnesses O.O.



You say that real Christians don't judge, and yet, what is up with this statement? Also, who died and made you Pope? I'll have you know that I am a "serious" Catholic, I go to mass every Saturday Night, I tithe, I eat the body of Jesus, and drink his blood. I was baptized, first communion, and confirmed in the Roman Catholic Church. I also paid close attention to everything that goes on in the Vatican including Pope John Paul II's death, and the election of Pope Benedict XVI. So you need to pratice what you preach.

No, because they aren't. Leviathan is a crocodile and Behemoth is a hippo.

Hey is that hippopotamus or hipp I potamus? ha ha ha :eek:

Not catholics cause, come on, the only serious catholic i know is judgemental and worldly, thats gotta be the most corrupt religon on earth

The first Christians were Catholics you understand, and the Protestants split because they thought that speaking Latin, burning incense, and the Priest's back to the congregation was wrong.

Now they speak English during mass, nothing is burned, and the priest faces his congregation.

So there appears to be little difference in between what you call a "corrupt" church, and a "perfect" church.

Besides that your post was okay.

But no matter how much anyone tries people will believe what they want to believe. In this case their superiority over others due to beliefs. It always has been this way and it always will be.

Christians will always be mocked because true christians will turn the other check in most cases. Other religions (Islam) will kill anyone who mocks them. And that is why they aren't mocked as much.

Hey, I could get paid for this? I'm just a post slut right now :cool:
ha! if only.

Hey look it's an imorral atheist!!!! Sorry i had to do that, u prove your self wrong when you give me the finger lol
he's got you there, ships. at least in a general sense.

You say that real Christians don't judge, and yet, what is up with this statement? Also, who died and made you Pope? I'll have you know that I am a "serious" Catholic, I go to mass every Saturday Night, I tithe, I eat the body of Jesus, and drink his blood. I was baptized, first communion, and confirmed in the Roman Catholic Church. I also paid close attention to everything that goes on in the Vatican including Pope John Paul II's death, and the election of Pope Benedict XVI. So you need to pratice what you preach.


dude come on, you know theres people who say there christian one day and it's like u r?

Halfbreed']The first Christians were Catholics you understand, and the Protestants split because they thought that speaking Latin, burning incense, and the Priest's back to the congregation was wrong.

Now they speak English during mass, nothing is burned, and the priest faces his congregation.

So there appears to be little difference in between what you call a "corrupt" church, and a "perfect" church.

Besides that your post was okay.

But no matter how much anyone tries people will believe what they want to believe. In this case their superiority over others due to beliefs. It always has been this way and it always will be.

Christians will always be mocked because true christians will turn the other check in most cases. Other religions (Islam) will kill anyone who mocks them. And that is why they aren't mocked as much.

lol, so true, you don't mock he who hurts you physically. And that turn the other cheek, Jesus doesn't want us to just turn the other cheek, he wants us to make others look bad. slapping some one with the palm of your hand or youre left hand was a greater insult to yourself then to the other person.

dude come on, you know theres people who say there christian one day and it's like u r?

could you clean up the grammar a bit so we can respond to that?

thanks

Halfbreed']The first Christians were Catholics you understand, and the Protestants split because they thought that speaking Latin, burning incense, and the Priest's back to the congregation was wrong.

Now they speak English during mass, nothing is burned, and the priest faces his congregation.

So there appears to be little difference in between what you call a "corrupt" church, and a "perfect" church.

Besides that your post was okay.

But no matter how much anyone tries people will believe what they want to believe. In this case their superiority over others due to beliefs. It always has been this way and it always will be.

Christians will always be mocked because true christians will turn the other check in most cases. Other religions (Islam) will kill anyone who mocks them. And that is why they aren't mocked as much.

haha i like the last part, but you no 1 thing i say is corrupt is the fact that preist where robes like they're the highest when jesus wore the most tatered robes

haha i like the last part, but you no 1 thing i say is corrupt is the fact that preist where robes like they're the highest when jesus wore the most tatered robes

Yeah, each of those robes is symbolic, the reason they are nice, is that they are presenting themselves to Christ and want to look nice. Look up the priestly robes on New Advent (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/), you will see why they wear those robes.

EDIT: here it is Vestements (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15388a.htm)

haha i like the last part, but you no 1 thing i say is corrupt is the fact that preist where robes like they're the highest when jesus wore the most tatered robes

What's taters, precious?

And seriously, there's no commandment against wearing robes anywhere in the Bible. Protestants criticise Catholicism on the basis of the various icons associated with worship, citing the commandments about making images of God, and due to the veneration of the Virgin Mary, which some say violates the 'have no Gods but me' command, but this is the first time I've ever heard anyone claim a priest should dress like Jesus.

WWJW?

Not catholics cause, come on, the only serious catholic i know is judgemental and worldly, thats gotta be the most corrupt religon on earth.

One person you know (the only Catholic you know I might point out) is worldly, therefore his entire religon must be corrupt, I'm stunned by your flawless logic.

and Halfbreed, don't try to equate us with protestants.

What's taters, precious?

And seriously, there's no commandment against wearing robes anywhere in the Bible. Protestants criticise Catholicism on the basis of the various icons associated with worship, citing the commandments about making images of God, and due to the veneration of the Virgin Mary, which some say violates the 'have no Gods but me' command, but this is the first time I've ever heard anyone claim a priest should dress like Jesus.

WWJW?

Yeah, I don't get that, "No Veneration of Mary"

1.) If you are a christian, you believe that she is the Mother of God, who better to ask for help in reaching him.
2.) you can't deny she is an agent of God, look at all the apparitions reported each year. If even a thiord of them are real, then wow, she is a busy lady.

I have never ever seen any threads at all bashing gays, atheists, agnostics, soldiers, Utilitarians, Deists, Jews, Buddhists,Hindus, or in fact, any religion besides Christians, Muslims, or Pagans . Bring me some threads bashing these groups, And I will believe you claim that 'We bash everyone'.

Yeah, I don't get that, "No Veneration of Mary"

1.) If you are a christian, you believe that she is the Mother of God, who better to ask for help in reaching him.
2.) you can't deny she is an agent of God, look at all the apparitions reported each year. If even a thiord of them are real, then wow, she is a busy lady.
criticisms of the fiction notwithstanding, da vinci code nailed the reason for that pretty damned well i think. seriously, paul looks like a woman in that painting.

Confession none of the preist bussiness they can't give you the required advice because their human thus flawed, your soposed to ask God for counsil

My only hope at this point is that the grammar nazis descend upon this thread like a plague of locusts.

Now when i'm bored and i look on the forums i see incredable amounts of christian bashing! Now i have to set some things strait.

First of all you have to make sure your bashing a REAL Christian, not some guy who says he's christian, cause thats every other guy in America, and he doesn't give about God. Not catholics cause, come on, the only serious catholic i know is judgemental and worldly, thats gotta be the most corrupt religon on earth, cept Jehova's wittnesses O.O.

Second of all, don't say were invading America, trying to change America, cause we were the first Americans, America was founded on protastant christianity. I don't care what your libral text books say, check the facts.

Third of all, makes sure you bashing Christians and and not a Christian, just because one or two are hippicritical or over do it doesn't mean all Christians are like that.

Fourth, if someone sys somthing about the bible or God don't flip out cause we have to deal with things we find offencive all day. When you are cursing and being profane, you are speaking the verses of atheism and i don't know about other christians but it drives me up a wall, but i go to a public school so... lol

Last, Christians don't or aren't sopose to hate anyone, just because we don't agree with somthing doesn't mean that we hate people who practice it.
Heres a scenario, Once in Gym (and know I'm not a hermit Christian, I have more friends then most people bi-sexuals, goths, gangsters, cause i don't judge, christians aren't sopose to judge others) there was a lesbian, now i never said anything to her, but my friend (whos gay) told her i was Christian and didn't agree with homo-sexuality, after class she cursed me out, and threatened to file harrasment, now i have a question who's harrasing who, and who hates who? By the way we're indirect friends now (I don't think she likes me V.V) .

Oh and one more thing, all events except the creation in the bible are proven through archeology.

If you have somthing intelligent to say i'd love to here it, but if your just going to be profane cause you hate morals/christians so much just make your own thread.

Have a nice day :D

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criticisms of the fiction notwithstanding, da vinci code nailed the reason for that pretty damned well i think. seriously, paul looks like a woman in that painting.


One it's not paul it's peter, two john was depicted of being feminine, three the style was that way (young men = feminine) four they found outlines that labled each person john was clearly marked john, and who cares what davinci thought!!!

My only hope at this point is that the grammar nazis descend upon this thread like a plague of locusts.

they did lol

My only hope at this point is that the grammar nazis descend upon this thread like a plague of locusts.
bad grammar and spelling is more like a plaque, and i am the grammar toothbrush.

Now when i'm bored and i look on the forums i see incredable amounts of christian bashing!
when i'm bored i bash and torture christians... much more fun...

when i'm bored i bash and torture christians... much more fun...


lol

bad grammar and spelling is more like a plaque, and i am the grammar toothbrush.


so fix it up!!

Confession none of the preist bussiness they can't give you the required advice because their human thus flawed, your soposed to ask God for counsil
Confession is about forgiveness, when you sin, you offend both God and your community, in this case the community is the Catholic church, and theirfore you need forgiveness from both. Besides, when a priest is doing confession, or any other sacrement, he is acting "In Persona Christi", not as a himself. Also, the priests I know have told me that for the most part they honestly cann't remember what a person said in confession immediatly after they leave.
Also, you've left the Mary thing completely unanswered.

One it's not paul it's peter, two john was depicted of being feminine, three the style was that way (young men = feminine) four they found outlines that labled each person john was clearly marked john, and who cares what davinci thought!!!
$190 million in tickets care, apparently.
i knew it was one of the p-apostles. damn.

Confession none of the preist bussiness they can't give you the required advice because their human thus flawed, your soposed to ask God for counsil

So you'd also ask God to heal you rather than going to a doctor, ask God to fix your car rather than going to a mechanic, and ask God to make you dinner instead of going to a restaurant? IIRC, the priest is there for dialog, not to replace God. There's isn't any 'no middle men' commandment that I know of.

mary thing?

So you'd also ask God to heal you rather than going to a doctor, ask God to fix your car rather than going to a mechanic, and ask God to make you dinner instead of going to a restaurant? IIRC, the priest is there for dialog, not to replace God. There's isn't any 'no middle men' commandment that I know of.


lol thats great i like you, however all your awnsers do not come from the bible

criticisms of the fiction notwithstanding, da vinci code nailed the reason for that pretty damned well i think. seriously, paul looks like a woman in that painting.

Yeah, that confused me for a while, I was always like, who is that woman? Then I read that JOHN is painted as a young man without a beard, and it made snese to me.

Lol. Thats great, I like you; however, all your answers do not come from the bible.
and on that note, ciao.

Confession none of the preist bussiness they can't give you the required advice because their human thus flawed, your soposed to ask God for counsil

Read ACTS, in it, it says that whatever sins the Apostles forgave on earth were forgiven in heaven, and those retained on earth would be retained in heaven. As the successors to the Apostles, the Priests are the actors of that. The penance they give is supposed to help prevent you from doing the sin again. Also, the Pope says that you don't have to go to confession for venial sins, it is recommended for mortal sins.

Halfbreed']The first Christians were Catholics you understand, and the Protestants split because they thought that speaking Latin, burning incense, and the Priest's back to the congregation was wrong.

Now they speak English during mass, nothing is burned, and the priest faces his congregation.

So there appears to be little difference in between what you call a "corrupt" church, and a "perfect" church.

Besides that your post was okay.

But no matter how much anyone tries people will believe what they want to believe. In this case their superiority over others due to beliefs. It always has been this way and it always will be.

Christians will always be mocked because true christians will turn the other check in most cases. Other religions (Islam) will kill anyone who mocks them. And that is why they aren't mocked as much.

Yes, they are all terrorists. Why did I stop posting on these boards again?

this guy, who started the post, you know, Catholics are the original Christians. You don't think any of them are good? How many do you know? How many Catholic figures have you devoted time into researching? What about Mother Teresa? Pope John Paul II? Saint Francis of Assisi?

i like how you say "Dont make fun of my religion, but these two religions are sooo corrupt and totally not Christian!!!!!" News flash, comrade, the Bible itself has been kept ALIVE by the Catholic Church, who are the ones who kept making new manuscripts of it after the originals corroded so that it could be preserved. Without that, where would your self-righteous protestant religion be?

I'm not even Catholic, and I'm saying this, because I prefer you to know about something before you try to judge it. Ignorance and arrogance are a couple of the big things wrong with this world today, and you just made a fine example of it.

lol thats great i like you, however all your awnsers do not come from the bible
OK, I think we can assume that you don't accept the Magistorial authority of the Catholic Church. But, you accept the Bible, however the books to be included in the Bible were determined to be divinely inspired by Church consels (Bishops, Cardinals, and the Pope and all), so if the Magistorial authority of the Church (again the Catholic Church) doesn't exist, how can you say that these books are any more divinely inspired than the 60 some odd book of aprocripha.

CHRISTIANS?!?! Where?!? *whips out mace and begins looking for Christian heads to bash in, just like baby seals*

No, but really, all you anti-abortion Christians, if any of you have a newborn or young baby you'd like to get rid of cause you couldn't get an abortion, but can't support the kid, hit me up. I'll be more than happy to take it off your hands, free of charge. I've got some recipes I've been meaning to try out which require some very...special...ingredients.

And I really must thank the OP, as well as all you kind bashers. I was having rather a shitty day, and the great big gut-laughs I got from reading this thread have really cheered me up.

Thank you very much.

P.S. GO SATAN. Not because he exists, but because I don't like Christians. And hey, you muist admit, Satan is much cooler than God.

Yeah, and by the way, you should all study Islam too, because Islam actually has a lot more tolerance in its history than Christianity. Christians and Jews actually used to flock to the Islamic Ottoman Empire which existed c700 ad to 1902 ad to practice their religions freely. Mohammed called Christians and Jews "People of the Book" referring to them as being the first followers of the God of Abraham who they also believe to follow, and he said that they should be respected and allowed to have their own beliefs.

I don't bash Christians, I bash morons. If you happen to be Christian, I can't be held accountable.

There is an old Jewish proverb that says, "If shoe fits, wear it. If it doesn't, thou shalt not cast aside one toe for the sake of the shoe, neither one eye for the sake of the foot, in that you would not be able to tell if the shoe fits or not, neither shalt thou alter the shoe in accordance with the desire to achieve maximal shoe fitting, for then you violate the original purpose of the shoe, which is to determine the fitting or not-fitting of said foot. Amen."

this guy, who started the post, you know, Catholics are the original Christians. You don't think any of them are good? How many do you know? How many Catholic figures have you devoted time into researching? What about Mother Teresa? Pope John Paul II? Saint Francis of Assisi?

i like how you say "Dont make fun of my religion, but these two religions are sooo corrupt and totally not Christian!!!!!" News flash, comrade, the Bible itself has been kept ALIVE by the Catholic Church, who are the ones who kept making new manuscripts of it after the originals corroded so that it could be preserved. Without that, where would your self-righteous protestant religion be?

I'm not even Catholic, and I'm saying this, because I prefer you to know about something before you try to judge it. Ignorance and arrogance are a couple of the big things wrong with this world today, and you just made a fine example of it.

St. Francis FTW!
St. Theresa FTW!
St. Karol Wyjolta FTW!
St. Oscar Romero FTW!
St. Maximilian Kolbe FTW! (sacrificed himself for a married jewish man in the Holocaust, the man survived, and was at St. Kolbe's Cannonization Ceremony)
St. Patrick FTW! (Irish Pride)
St. Longinus FTW! (Mat 27:54, Mrk 15:39, Lk 23:47, Jhn 19:34)

this guy, who started the post, you know, Catholics are the original Christians. You don't think any of them are good? How many do you know? How many Catholic figures have you devoted time into researching? What about Mother Teresa? Pope John Paul II? Saint Francis of Assisi?

i like how you say "Dont make fun of my religion, but these two religions are sooo corrupt and totally not Christian!!!!!" News flash, comrade, the Bible itself has been kept ALIVE by the Catholic Church, who are the ones who kept making new manuscripts of it after the originals corroded so that it could be preserved. Without that, where would your self-righteous protestant religion be?

I'm not even Catholic, and I'm saying this, because I prefer you to know about something before you try to judge it. Ignorance and arrogance are a couple of the big things wrong with this world today, and you just made a fine example of it.

You here about pope innocent ouch

I already apolagized to the catholics, sorry but i prefer to follow the bible not the church and i shouldn't judge catholics, and im trying not 2 lol :D

I don't bash Christians, I bash morons.
you are in so much trouble....

I already apolagized to the catholics, sorry but i prefer to follow the bible not the church and i shouldn't judge catholics, and im trying not 2 lol :D

And yet you continue to bash our practices, not a good apology. It is like going to confession for lust, then going out and sleeping with the first girl you meet. It just doesn't count.

And yet you continue to bash our practices, not a good apology. It is like going to confession for lust, then going out and sleeping with the first girl you meet. It just doesn't count.


I'm not bashing catholism when i say im sorry i don't agree with you

So you'd also ask God to heal you rather than going to a doctor, ask God to fix your car rather than going to a mechanic, and ask God to make you dinner instead of going to a restaurant? IIRC, the priest is there for dialog, not to replace God.

Exactly. The priest's words of absolution in Confession, like the sacraments of Baptism, Eucharist, and so on are believed to be physical manifestations of God's grace and forgiveness rather than a replacement for them, as well as a fulfillment of a God-given need for human interaction.

Though the doctrine of In Persona Christae (sp? too little sleep lately to be sure) does imply that the priest is acting as a representative of Christ.

There's isn't any 'no middle men' commandment that I know of.

Generally, the mainline Christian position on this is taken from Jesus' proclamations that indicated he was the way to God, thus making him the only "middle man" or intercessor.

Often, certain members of Protestant sects will point to Mary and the other Saints (with a capital S) as evidence of the Church putting others in the place of "middle man" to which Christ alone is given.

Christianity did not eliminate the middle man. It made a really big one and followed him. ;)

you are in so much trouble....

Y kant immigints lern english?

I'm not bashing catholism when i say im sorry i don't agree with you

And yet you bashed the use of vestements AFTER you apologise. It doesn't work that way.

And yet you bashed the use of vestements AFTER you apologise. It doesn't work that way.


YOU KNO WHAT YOU ARE A HOMO-SAPIEN!!!

YOU KNO WHAT YOU ARE A HOMO-SAPIEN!!!

Generally people already know their species. :)

Yep. I've heard of him. Sucked up to the Nazis. Wow. You're right. That proves all Catholics are evil. :rolleyes:

lol


Anyway, i gotta get up early and make coke/mentos bombs

nighty night <3<3<3<3

Proverb continued.

And neither shalt thou attend unto the merchants and sinners, for purposes of additional shoes, for surely they are an abomination unto God, who saw fit in his Grace to descend unto Moses the One Shoe upon which all fittings were to be fitted, and unto that One Shoe shall proper followers attend, for surely the rejection of the One Shoe is a rejection of God, and as it is written, those who reject God shall surely die, and they shall surely die unto the seventh generation, excepting cases of rape and incest, forwith the punishment shall be adjuticated until such time as the High Priest deems neccesary, upon which all authority has been given, yeah verily even unto the ends of the Earth thou shalt heed this commandment, as all the other commandments, given in covenant with you this day, as it reflects upon the covenant of Abraham, and upon whose honor it rests, ye shall not break covenant, or thou shalt surely die, as mentioned before, even unto the farthest parts and bits of all creation, for which God is the authority, even unto the depth, and upon all creeping things.

Y kant immigints lern english?
who's the immigint?

who's the immigint?


What're you sayin?!?!?!

YOU KNO WHAT YOU ARE A HOMO-SAPIEN!!!

WT... Duh, of course I am a Homo-Sapiens-sapiens, I am a human, that is just stupid. that isn't an argument that is just...I don't know what that is, please dlete that, or change it into an argument.

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No Pope named Innocent ever lived during the same period as Nazi's did. Pope Pius XII, was Pope in the 30's and 40's, he actively (if quietly) harbored Jews during the Holocost, and he subtly spoke against Hitler, he could be very overt about it though, since he lived in Rome, the same place as Mussolini.
And yes I know that last part was a joke

What're you sayin?!?!?!
u duin drugz?

u duin drugz?

Drugs are bad mkay?

And yet you continue to bash our practices, not a good apology. It is like going to confession for lust, then going out and sleeping with the first girl you meet. It just doesn't count.
But, if Jesus truly died for our sins, isn't it ungrateful not to commit them? (Sorry for repeating myself, but I couldn't pass this up!)

Drugs are bad mkay?
mkay.

But, if Jesus truly died for our sins, isn't it ungrateful not to commit them? (Sorry for repeating myself, but I couldn't pass this up!)

I believe it was Paul who said that we shouldn't sin so that grace may abound.

WT... Duh, of course I am a Homo-Sapiens-sapiens, I am a human, that is just stupid. that isn't an argument that is just...I don't know what that is, please dlete that, or change it into an argument.

I believe he may well be referencing some Florida senate election campaign or another in which one runner played upon the ignorance of the people, printing fliers declaring his opponent a "Homo Sapien" and his sister a "Practicing Thespian" and the like. The man who printed the fliers won the election.

Sad, isn't it?

But, if Jesus truly died for our sins, isn't it ungrateful not to commit them? (Sorry for repeating myself, but I couldn't pass this up!)

Yeah, it is ungrateful to commit those sins, but we are only human. No one is perfect, and we all broke at least one of the ten commandments (disrespecting your father and mother) at least once when we where teens. Confession is where we go to get absolution for our sins. God knew we wouldn't be able to abstain from sin our entire lives, which is why He gave us confession

I believe he may well be referencing some Florida senate election campaign or another in which one runner played upon the ignorance of the people, printing fliers declaring his opponent a "Homo Sapien" and his sister a "Practicing Thespian" and the like. The man who printed the fliers won the election.

Sad, isn't it?

Thank God people these days know that Homo-Sapiens-Sapiens is a fanct way of saying Human, and that a thespian is an Acotr on the stage. That way no one will play on the ignorance of the people.

Yeah, it is ungrateful to commit those sins, but we are only human. No one is perfect, and we all broke at least one of the ten commandments (disrespecting your father and mother) at least once when we where teens. Confession is where we go to get absolution for our sins. God knew we wouldn't be able to abstain from sin our entire lives, which is why He gave us confession
You got it backwards, bub. If we don't sin, Jesus's sacrifice was for nothing! Wasted! How ungrateful of us to NOT sin ;)

You got it backwards, bub. If we don't sin, Jesus's sacrifice was for nothing! Wasted! How ungrateful of us to NOT sin ;)

Actually, God being a timeless being, cast salvation for all mankind, for all sins committed, heretofore unknown. So you're not really ever doing anything in addition to, or above and beyond, the original redemption. You're just using grace as an excuse, to do something that's already covered, thinking you're getting away with it, when really that's just moronic.

Proof that christianity can't be true

okay, I'm kinda talking 2 a close friend abt. sometihng serious, so I'll just write down my 2 usual arguments.....
#1. The omnipotence Paradox- According to the bible, god can do ANYTHING -can he make a rock so heavy that even he cannot lift it?
#2. God is love (1 John 4:16)
God is a jealous God (Deuteronomy 6:15)
Love is not jealous (1 Corinthians 13:4)

BYE

Actually, God being a timeless being, cast salvation for all mankind, for all sins committed, heretofore unknown. So you're not really ever doing anything in addition to, or above and beyond, the original redemption. You're just using grace as an excuse, to do something that's already covered, thinking you're getting away with it, when really that's just moronic.
Hmmmm. . . if God can do all that, then why did Jesus have to suffer and die in the first place? Talk about moroninc :rolleyes:

hey i may hippicritical some times but when did i contradict myself?
when did you become all of christianity??:confused:

Hmmmm. . . if God can do all that, then why did Jesus have to suffer and die in the first place? Talk about moroninc :rolleyes:

There are lots of dumb things about the religion, but the idea that you shouldn't sin so that grace may abound isn't one of them.

when did you become all of christianity??:confused:
I think it happened last Thursday

when did you become all of christianity??:confused:

He's actually Jesus in disguise. Shh. ;)

Halfbreed']So there appears to be little difference in between what you call a "corrupt" church, and a "perfect" church.
their is no such thing as a "perfect" church in esence all religions that have such large groups of followers their are bound to be some corrupt members that gain influence over their followers. just remember all religions started as cults!

He's actually Jesus in disguise. Shh. ;)
Thanks, now I have The Transformers theme stuck in my head.

Thanks, now I have The Transformers theme stuck in my head.

LMAO!!!

I am so sorry... :(

and yet so amused at the same time. :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by New Shipstonia
when did you become all of christianity??

I think it happened last Thursday

He's actually Jesus in disguise. Shh. ;)
ahh now i understand lol :D :D :D :D :D :D

There are lots of dumb things about the religion, but the idea that you shouldn't sin so that grace may abound isn't one of them.
I guess it depends on the definitions of "sin" and "grace" then, huh? One man's "sin" is another man's "way of life."

I guess it depends on the definitions of "sin" and "grace" then, huh? One man's "sin" is another man's "way of life."

Yeah sure, but to the individual Christian, it makes perfect sense for Paul to warn against using the example of Christ as an excuse to commit acts Christ was against.

dude come on, you know theres people who say there christian one day and it's like u r?

Yea, but I've been saying I'm Roman Catholic my entire life, and I know several other Catholics who've done the same. I never tried to hide the fact that I am Roman Catholic, and I'm actually proud of it.

isnt it interesting that if adam and eve only had sons why are christians angainst gays:confused: :confused:

many ppl here also bash republicans, muslims, people from the bible belt, and FIFA referees. Get used to it.

isnt it interesting that if adam and eve only had sons why are christians angainst gays:confused: :confused:
and no im not gay!!! i have several homosexual freinds lesbians and gays and thats a question that gets asked nearly every time we have a chop:p :rolleyes: :gundge:

isnt it interesting that if adam and eve only had sons why are christians angainst gays:confused: :confused:

If they only have sons, then umm, how the hell are we here?

If they only have sons, then umm, how the hell are we here?
adam and eve did not exist. THE BIBLE IS A LIE.

many ppl here also bash republicans, muslims, people from the bible belt, and FIFA referees. Get used to it.
my little bro bashed a ref now he cant play soccer any more lame tribunal:sniper:

If they only have sons, then umm, how the hell are we here?
ask the christians.

Yea, but I've been saying I'm Roman Catholic my entire life, and I know several other Catholics who've done the same. I never tried to hide the fact that I am Roman Catholic, and I'm actually proud of it.

It's ok to be Catholic, so long as you don't use it to vote for a certain candidate. Keep your morality to yourself and remember that a woman's body is her choice, and marriage is a fundamental right for all!

ask the christians.

I am a Christian, and there's only two possibility, either Moses only wrote about Adam and Cain to demostrate a point that we are responsibile for each other (Am I my brother's keeper?) etc. and Adam and Eve did have daughters that we don't know about. Or that Eve became the family whore.

and if god made man in the image of him self then why are the oldest human remains of black poeple??
and why did jesus (a black man look at the region he was apparently born in he was a terrorist) kill his own brother???? :mp5:

It's ok to be Catholic, so long as you don't use it to vote for a certain candidate. Keep your morality to yourself and remember that a woman's body is her choice, and marriage is a fundamental right for all!

1. I will vote for whomever I want to, and if I want my religious belief to decide who I want to vote for, then that is up to me and not you.

2. I'm not even going to debate that, but I am pro-life, and let's leave it at that.

3. I agree.

1. I will vote for whomever I want to, and if I want my religious belief to decide who I want to vote for, then that is up to me and not you.

2. I'm not even going to debate that, but I am pro-life, and let's leave it at that.

3. I agree.

At least you support gay marriage.

my little bro bashed a ref now he cant play football any more lame tribunal:sniper:
I was talking about how we keep bashing the referees in FIFA, as the were too many card given in this world cup.

No Pope named Innocent ever lived during the same period as Nazi's did. Pope Pius XII, was Pope in the 30's and 40's, he actively (if quietly) harbored Jews during the Holocost, and he subtly spoke against Hitler, he could be very overt about it though, since he lived in Rome, the same place as Mussolini.
And yes I know that last part was a joke



Yes, I realized that after I posted. Why do you think I deleted my post? Thanks for busting my balls over an error, though. I really appreciate it.

Yea, but I've been saying I'm Roman Catholic my entire life, and I know several other Catholics who've done the same. I never tried to hide the fact that I am Roman Catholic, and I'm actually proud of it.

I am in the same boat, own several catholic/christian T-Shirts, ans wear a crucifix when I am not at work (Don't want to risk it getting caught on something and breaking)

isnt it interesting that if adam and eve only had sons why are christians angainst gays:confused: :confused:

1.) it was allegory, just like the rest of the Garden of Eden story
2.) the bible never states that they didn't have other kids

*snipped for length*
First off, I don't think most Christians are actually this thin-skinned, at least not around here. Most of the Christians I've met on NS know exactly why Christianity gets bashed so much...because a very loud minority of Christians has decided to show its ass in virtually every sphere of public life, and people are calling bullshit on them.

However, for those Christians who still feel the need to whine about how they're getting picked on:

If you want me to stop making fun of your religion, then stop telling me about how you believe in magic fairies and super zombies who come to save humanity from the Sin of acquiring knowledge.

If you want me to stop bashing your religion, then get your fellow Christians to quit trying to violate my human rights. Tell your fellow Christians to stop shoving their superstition into my government.

And if you EVER want me to take you seriously, please get the fuck over yourselves. This martyr complex is pathetic. "Oh, boo hoo hoo, we only control the entire government and every branch of the media! We're being repressed!" Tell you what: when people are proposing Constitutional Amendments that ban Christians from getting married, then we'll talk. When people are passing laws that forbid Christians to seek medical treatment when you want it, then we'll talk. When "The Christian God Is A Wanker" is written on all our currency, then we'll talk. But until then, kindly don't whimper about how people are so very very mean to you.

"Oh, boo hoo hoo, we only control the entire government and every branch of the media!

I thought that was the Jews? :p

I thought that was the Jews? :p
Pfft, it's all the same Jehovah.

First off, I don't think most Christians are actually this thin-skinned, at least not around here. Most of the Christians I've met on NS know exactly why Christianity gets bashed so much...because a very loud minority of Christians has decided to show its ass in virtually every sphere of public life, and people are calling bullshit on them.

However, for those Christians who still feel the need to whine about how they're getting picked on:

If you want me to stop making fun of your religion, then stop telling me about how you believe in magic fairies and super zombies who come to save humanity from the Sin of acquiring knowledge.

If you want me to stop bashing your religion, then get your fellow Christians to quit trying to violate my human rights. Tell your fellow Christians to stop shoving their superstition into my government.

And if you EVER want me to take you seriously, please get the fuck over yourselves. This martyr complex is pathetic. "Oh, boo hoo hoo, we only control the entire government and every branch of the media! We're being repressed!" Tell you what: when people are proposing Constitutional Amendments that ban Christians from getting married, then we'll talk. When people are passing laws that forbid Christians to seek medical treatment when you want it, then we'll talk. When "The Christian God Is A Wanker" is written on all our currency, then we'll talk. But until then, kindly don't whimper about how people are so very very mean to you.

Get the arrogance of this guy.:rolleyes: He's telling Christians when to speak now. Unbelievable.

Get the arrogance of this guy.:rolleyes: He's telling Christians when to speak now. Unbelievable.
Read a post before you show your ass, my friend. It was clearly and specifically NOT addressed to "Christians" as a whole. I also wasn't telling Christians when to speak, I was simply telling a certain type of whimpering Christian what they would have to do to get me to quit "bashing" them. If they are comfortable being "bashed," then they can continue on as they have been.

It's like how if a racist whines about how people pick on him. I tell him, "Quit calling black people 'niggers,' and maybe people will stop calling you a racist fuckwit." If he wants to keep calling black people 'niggers' then that's his right, and I'll defend that right, but he needs to quit bitching about how people pick on him when he does it.

Second of all, don't say were invading America, trying to change America, cause we were the first Americans, America was founded on protastant christianity. I don't care what your libral text books say, check the facts.

Wrong. The first Americans were masons. Your "facts" have been proven wrong. My "libral" (liberal?) textbooks say "F*** you and your holy roller bull****."

I thought that was the Jews? :p

No! They control anything that involves thought.

OK, I think we can assume that you don't accept the Magistorial authority of the Catholic Church. But, you accept the Bible, however the books to be included in the Bible were determined to be divinely inspired by Church consels (Bishops, Cardinals, and the Pope and all), so if the Magistorial authority of the Church (again the Catholic Church) doesn't exist, how can you say that these books are any more divinely inspired than the 60 some odd book of aprocripha.


This was b4 the catholic church had formed

CHRISTIANS?!?! Where?!? *whips out mace and begins looking for Christian heads to bash in, just like baby seals*

No, but really, all you anti-abortion Christians, if any of you have a newborn or young baby you'd like to get rid of cause you couldn't get an abortion, but can't support the kid, hit me up. I'll be more than happy to take it off your hands, free of charge. I've got some recipes I've been meaning to try out which require some very...special...ingredients.

And I really must thank the OP, as well as all you kind bashers. I was having rather a shitty day, and the great big gut-laughs I got from reading this thread have really cheered me up.

Thank you very much.

P.S. GO SATAN. Not because he exists, but because I don't like Christians. And hey, you muist admit, Satan is much cooler than God.

Satans a weakling
lol
i will own him

I'm often accused of being a troll when I defend Christian truths. But they don't refute my actual arguments, they go negative simply because the truth upsets the "progressive" socialist majority (or at least most frequent posters) on this Forum.
you know I always wonder why.....as a Christian, I never get accused of being a troll, and yet without fail almost every single Christian I see on here is........that worries me you know?

First off, I don't think most Christians are actually this thin-skinned, at least not around here. Most of the Christians I've met on NS know exactly why Christianity gets bashed so much...because a very loud minority of Christians has decided to show its ass in virtually every sphere of public life, and people are calling bullshit on them.

However, for those Christians who still feel the need to whine about how they're getting picked on:

If you want me to stop making fun of your religion, then stop telling me about how you believe in magic fairies and super zombies who come to save humanity from the Sin of acquiring knowledge.

If you want me to stop bashing your religion, then get your fellow Christians to quit trying to violate my human rights. Tell your fellow Christians to stop shoving their superstition into my government.

And if you EVER want me to take you seriously, please get the fuck over yourselves. This martyr complex is pathetic. "Oh, boo hoo hoo, we only control the entire government and every branch of the media! We're being repressed!" Tell you what: when people are proposing Constitutional Amendments that ban Christians from getting married, then we'll talk. When people are passing laws that forbid Christians to seek medical treatment when you want it, then we'll talk. When "The Christian God Is A Wanker" is written on all our currency, then we'll talk. But until then, kindly don't whimper about how people are so very very mean to you.

Hey buddy, maybe you didn't read the news l8ly, in public schools california, YOUR NOT ALOUD TO PRAY!!!

Wrong. The first Americans were masons. Your "facts" have been proven wrong. My "libral" (liberal?) textbooks say "F*** you and your holy roller bull****."


One sorry but your retarded

Second Wait, wasn't samual adams a christian ohh yeah!!! Wasn't John Hancock a christian oh yeah!!!!

adam and eve did not exist. THE BIBLE IS A LIE.


Realy? Are you sure, once again you might want to look into archeaology

Realy? Are you sure, once again you might want to look into archeaology
you have actual scientific evidence of Adam and Eve?

bring it....

I am waiting........

that and the creation are the only things we havent proved yet

that and the creation are the only things we havent proved yet
Really?

So explain to me once again, how long the universe has been in existence. Go ahead. And back it up with scientific facts.

Really?

So explain to me once again, how long the universe has been in existence. Go ahead. And back it up with scientific facts.



I REPEAT adam and eve + the creation are the only events not proved

I REPEAT adam and eve + the creation are the only events not proved

*snickers*
And you wonder why people tend to bash Christians. Please prove that Jesus walked on water and rose from the dead.

One sorry but your retarded

Second Wait, wasn't samual adams a christian ohh yeah!!! Wasn't John Hancock a christian oh yeah!!!!

Haha, bashing around already? Typically christian methods of convincing. The Romans should've thrown y'all before the lions. Go pray, prey:D

Stupidity rampant...

You bash catholics when asking people to not bash christians...

We catholics are christians, actually, you people are an offshoot of the main religion, that is based in Rome, like it or not. Catholic church is plagued by mistakes and flaws, as any other, including you, the so called christians.

Please get used to the fact of people disagreeing with your views and your religion, don't be a smuck. Argue, do not fight, and please be conscious enough that your beliefs and church are as flawed and as mistaken as anyone's else.

I REPEAT adam and eve + the creation are the only events not proved
How?

While you're at it, explain genetic drift and evolution.

*snickers*
And you wonder why people tend to bash Christians. Please prove that Jesus walked on water and rose from the dead.

Both were ancient historians and both confirmed the fact that the land went dark when Jesus was crucified. This parallels what the Bible said happened when Jesus died.

that was small, but one thing is that, Jesus' corpse was removed from the cross, wrapped like a mummy and placed in a solid-rock tomb. A one-and-a-half to two-ton stone was rolled into a slightly depressed groove to seal the tomb's entrance.

A "Green Beret"-like unit of Roman soldiers guarded the grave. Sunday morning, the stone was found rolled away, the body was gone but the graveclothes were still in place.

He burst from the 100 pounds of graveclothes, rolled away the stone with his nail-pierced hands, scared the daylights out of the Roman soldiers, walked miles on wounded feet and convinced his Disciples he'd been raised from the dead. This one is harder to believe than the resurrection itself.

Stupidity rampant...

You bash catholics when asking people to not bash christians...

We catholics are christians, actually, you people are an offshoot of the main religion, that is based in Rome, like it or not. Catholic church is plagued by mistakes and flaws, as any other, including you, the so called christians.

Please get used to the fact of people disagreeing with your views and your religion, don't be a smuck. Argue, do not fight, and please be conscious enough that your beliefs and church are as flawed and as mistaken as anyone's else.

My point is i don't follow the church i follow the bible, I <3 you, i think you need a hug.

How?

While you're at it, explain genetic drift and evolution.


Those aren't in the bible and those aren't proved!!!

Those aren't in the bible and those aren't proved!!!
Evolution is quite proven.

You aren't in the Bible, either, but you exist.

My point is i don't follow the church i follow the bible, I <3 you, i think you need a hug.

What's <3?

No acualy if you did RESEARCH evelution has too many missing links to be proved correct, and grow up ofcourse :rolleyes: im not in the bible, but evolution if correct would have been here forever

#2. God is love (1 John 4:16)
God is a jealous God (Deuteronomy 6:15)
Love is not jealous (1 Corinthians 13:4)

I like that. :)

What's <3?

a heart?

Both were ancient historians and both confirmed the fact that the land went dark when Jesus was crucified. This parallels what the Bible said happened when Jesus died.

that was small, but one thing is that, Jesus' corpse was removed from the cross, wrapped like a mummy and placed in a solid-rock tomb. A one-and-a-half to two-ton stone was rolled into a slightly depressed groove to seal the tomb's entrance.

A "Green Beret"-like unit of Roman soldiers guarded the grave. Sunday morning, the stone was found rolled away, the body was gone but the graveclothes were still in place.

He burst from the 100 pounds of graveclothes, rolled away the stone with his nail-pierced hands, scared the daylights out of the Roman soldiers, walked miles on wounded feet and convinced his Disciples he'd been raised from the dead. This one is harder to believe than the resurrection itself.

Yes, because what ancient historians said is real scientific and archeological proof. Ancient historians also said that there were headless people and one-footed giants in Africa. By the way, if you tend to follow the bible rather than the Church you're rather stuck. The Church has it faults, but it tends to make more sense than the bible since it doesn't claim that slavery is a wonderful thing.
Does anyone else think this sounds like some horror/action movie? The most powerful country's soldiers [Roman Empire vs. America] guarding the demon/zombie/dinosaur everyone thinks has been killed, then demon/zombie/dinosaur/deity smashes through the stone around them and wreaks terror and havoc.

I like that. :)

yes you must be wise to understand it.

No acualy if you did RESEARCH evelution has too many missing links to be proved correct, and grow up ofcourse :rolleyes: im not in the bible, but evolution if correct would have been here forever

http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-evolution.html

Read the whole website, and see what a fool you are.

Yes, because what ancient historians said is real scientific and archeological proof. Ancient historians also said that there were headless people and one-footed giants in Africa. By the way, if you tend to follow the bible rather than the Church you're rather stuck. The Church has it faults, but it tends to make more sense than the bible since it doesn't claim that slavery is a wonderful thing.
Does anyone else think this sounds like some horror/action movie? The most powerful country's soldiers [Roman Empire vs. America] guarding the demon/zombie/dinosaur everyone thinks has been killed, then demon/zombie/dinosaur/deity smashes through the stone around them and wreaks terror and havoc.


Thats great lol.

http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-evolution.html

Read the whole website, and see what a fool you are.


Also, know that scientists are egotistical and they will say things that are oppinion to be fact

http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-evolution.html

Read the whole website, and see what a fool you are.


described by several theories of evolution hmmmm well a theory isn't fact is it?

Also, know that scientists are egotistical and they will say things that are oppinion to be fact

*snickers again*

Because religious figures never do that. :D

Also, know that scientists are egotistical and they will say things that are oppinion to be fact

Yes, but religious people tend more to do the same thing. Mostly those who wrote, and who read, the bible not as poetry, but as a literal code

described by several theories of evolution hmmmm well a theory isn't fact is it?

I guess you can't read.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html

Yes, but religious people tend more to do the same thing. Mostly those who wrote, and who read, the bible not as poetry, but as a literal code


Well you see, I KNOW, God exists not everybody agrees with me though so w/e.

Well you see, I KNOW, God exists not everybody agrees with me though so w/e.

God exists, I agree with you in that...

No point in arguing "how" he exists, or "how" he wants us to behave

God exists, I agree with you in that...

No point in arguing "how" he exists, or "how" he wants us to behave


Well i have to take a shower and stuff i have to make mentos/soda rockets for my audience l8tr.

yes you must be wise to understand it.

I wouldn't consider myself as 'wise', but thanks anyway. :)

Well you see, I KNOW, God exists not everybody agrees with me though so w/e.

Yes, God exists. But He is far more complex and imaginative than the few words that can be packed into a book, or the thoughts that can be contained in the human imagination.

Evolution, quantum physics, and the inflationary theory of the origin of the universe seem to be on rock solid ground, and seem to be far more imaginative than the handwaving that is required to believe the Genesis story as straight fact.

I'm a Christian not because of the book, or because of the Church. I'm a Christian because of what I see first hand.

Oh those stupid Christians how I hate them! Getting into everyones bussiness, and their holier-than-thou attitudes, its enough to drive me up the-


Oh...this thread isn't for Christian bashing is it? No? The opposite? Oh...

*Quietly shuffles away*

Proof that christianity can't be true

okay, I'm kinda talking 2 a close friend abt. sometihng serious, so I'll just write down my 2 usual arguments.....
#1. The omnipotence Paradox- According to the bible, god can do ANYTHING -can he make a rock so heavy that even he cannot lift it?
#2. God is love (1 John 4:16)
God is a jealous God (Deuteronomy 6:15)
Love is not jealous (1 Corinthians 13:4)

BYE
Still no christians have arguments that can beat either one of these New Deleronix (copylefted) juggernaut arguments.... WAITING!

Still no christians have arguments that can beat either one of these New Deleronix (copylefted) juggernaut arguments.... WAITING!

okay, I'm kinda talking 2 a close friend abt. sometihng serious, so I'll just write down my 2 usual arguments.....
#1. The omnipotence Paradox- According to the bible, god can do ANYTHING -can he make a rock so heavy that even he cannot lift it?
#2. God is love (1 John 4:16)
God is a jealous God (Deuteronomy 6:15)
Love is not jealous (1 Corinthians 13:4)


Yes, God can do a paradox (#1). And since #2 is a paradox, and God can do a paradox, it's not a problem for God.

I busted a fucking gut over that post.

"Not catholics cause, come on, the only serious catholic i know is..."

You busted a gut over something so vacuous? That is a great shame.

Hey buddy, maybe you didn't read the news l8ly, in public schools california, YOUR NOT ALOUD TO PRAY!!!
Hey, maybe you can't read at all, because guess what: YES YOU CAN.

Not to mention that, even if you were banned from praying in school, that would not in any way constitute "oppression" of Christians. I'm not allowed to run around naked in school, or drink a beer in school, or yell "Heil Hitler" in school. So what? There are many behaviors that you are not permitted to engage in while in school. We happen to allow prayer in schools (though we do not allow institutionalized prayer in public schools), but even if we didn't we still wouldn't be oppressing Christians.

Still no christians have arguments that can beat either one of these New Deleronix (copylefted) juggernaut arguments.... WAITING!

Perhaps you should ask a Priest rather than teenagers on the internet, you may have more luck.

God can do a paradox, it is only a paradox as we are limited.

Regarding the quotes, the Catholic Church regards the Old Testament as the history of the development of the spirituality that culminated in the teachings of Christ. There is therefore plenty of stuff in the Old Testament that is important but not taken at face value.

Perhaps you know the parable of the wine skins, how you cannot put old wine in new skin so you cannot put a new religion in an old framework.

I am glad your wait is now over.

Well, I think the answer to your so called first paradox is centuries old. A jesuit theologue said that, as God is above human's logic, his omnipotency could allow him to bend such rules to an extent that they no longer applies. An oily answer indeed, but as valid as the paradox in any case.

Second Paradox: The bible is a compendium of several, not exactly like-minded, thinkers. To take the phrases in it as axioms is pretty silly. Half of it is poetry, half of it are rules for a primitive society.

For me, only the new testament applies, and as a guide for living, not as the perfect code I should follow.

Perhaps you should ask a Priest rather than teenagers on the internet, you may have more luck.

Why bother? Any kid on the internet can answer that question. The whole "can God make a rock He can't lift" thing is tired as Hell. The correct answer is: your imaginary friend can do anything you imagine he can do.

did u no dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible?

strangely, we have proof of dinos, but no proof of most things in the bible... how odd...

Why bother? Any kid on the internet can answer that question. The whole "can God make a rock He can't lift" thing is tired as Hell. The correct answer is: your imaginary friend can do anything you imagine he can do.

Don't forget how the Flying Spaghetti Monster can hide on your plate.

strangely, we have proof of dinos, but no proof of most things in the bible... how odd...

Genesis speaks of "Giants in the land"- could most very likely be interpreted as meaning there were dinos. At least, that's what I think. Besides, Man was created last- and we don't know how long the Creation "Days" were. They could have been billions of years for all we know- Dinosaurs could fit in our Bible just nicely. And it's true, no matter how scientists and historians try to avoid it, the Bible has proven the most accurate and sizable record of history.

Don't forget how the Flying Spaghetti Monster can hide on your plate.
Well yeah, but the Flying Spaghetti Monstery is REAL. Unlike all those other silly Gods that people make up.

Man, It took until page 16 for Christians to begin posting en masse.



@ New deleronix: I can't think of a fool-proof answer for number one in just a couple minutes, but I will consult my pastors and get back to you. As for number two, what type of Bible are you using? Also, In other translations, the verse is 'Love does not desire what it does not have'. considering the rest of this chapter, this, as well as the rest of the long list defining what love is, means that in the ideal love, People are Love, so it is interchangable with 'A person does not (should not) desire what they do not have'. God's jealousy is not of material things, but of our love, which matters most to him. God created us, so he is our owner technically. So, he has us, and simply wants to keep us. Would you consider someone who wanted to take back his stolen property as wrong, or a wife who is jealous that her lawfully wedded husband is cheating on her, when she, the person he is married to, is the one whom he should be sending his affection?

And it's true, no matter how scientists and historians try to avoid it, the Bible has proven the most accurate and sizable record of history.

Oh no it hasn't

Dinosaurs? In the bible?

I must have missed the gospel according to Barney!

I'm not sure if someone had said this, too lazy to read, but
"I'm not racist, I hate everybody equally"

Genesis speaks of "Giants in the land"- could most very likely be interpreted as meaning there were dinos. At least, that's what I think. Besides, Man was created last- and we don't know how long the Creation "Days" were. They could have been billions of years for all we know- Dinosaurs could fit in our Bible just nicely. And it's true, no matter how scientists and historians try to avoid it, the Bible has proven the most accurate and sizable record of history.

That, sir, is Grade-A, prime bollocks.

Now when i'm bored and i look on the forums i see incredable amounts of christian bashing! Now i have to set some things strait.

First of all you have to make sure your bashing a REAL Christian, not some guy who says he's christian, cause thats every other guy in America, and he doesn't give about God. Not catholics cause, come on, the only serious catholic i know is judgemental and worldly, thats gotta be the most corrupt religon on earth, cept Jehova's wittnesses O.O.

Second of all, don't say were invading America, trying to change America, cause we were the first Americans, America was founded on protastant christianity. I don't care what your libral text books say, check the facts.

Third of all, makes sure you bashing Christians and and not a Christian, just because one or two are hippicritical or over do it doesn't mean all Christians are like that.

Fourth, if someone sys somthing about the bible or God don't flip out cause we have to deal with things we find offencive all day. When you are cursing and being profane, you are speaking the verses of atheism and i don't know about other christians but it drives me up a wall, but i go to a public school so... lol

Last, Christians don't or aren't sopose to hate anyone, just because we don't agree with somthing doesn't mean that we hate people who practice it.
Heres a scenario, Once in Gym (and know I'm not a hermit Christian, I have more friends then most people bi-sexuals, goths, gangsters, cause i don't judge, christians aren't sopose to judge others) there was a lesbian, now i never said anything to her, but my friend (whos gay) told her i was Christian and didn't agree with homo-sexuality, after class she cursed me out, and threatened to file harrasment, now i have a question who's harrasing who, and who hates who? By the way we're indirect friends now (I don't think she likes me V.V) .

Oh and one more thing, all events except the creation in the bible are proven through archeology.

If you have somthing intelligent to say i'd love to here it, but if your just going to be profane cause you hate morals/christians so much just make your own thread.

Have a nice day :D


What's your point, really? Christianity is a lie. So why not bash the liars?
And this is the worst lie: "all events except the creation in the bible are proven through archeology". The whole theological concept of the Bible is contradicted by ALL archeological findings and historical material. Prior to the Ptolemaic/Hasmonean era there existed no monotheism in the region. Not even the proto-Jews were monotheists.

Genesis speaks of "Giants in the land"- could most very likely be interpreted as meaning there were dinos.
Or it could be interpretted to mean there were 2000-ton fluorescent orange centaurs roaming about.

That's the fun thing about the Bible: it's a sort of ink-blot test. You see in it whatever you are looking for.

Or it could be interpretted to mean there were 2000-ton fluorescent orange centaurs roaming about.

That's the fun thing about the Bible: it's a sort of ink-blot test. You see in it whatever you are looking for.

Uhh... Sure. :confused: :rolleyes:

Or it could be interpretted to mean there were 2000-ton fluorescent orange centaurs roaming about.

That's the fun thing about the Bible: it's a sort of ink-blot test. You see in it whatever you are looking for.

No, the story of the Nephilim derives from the Annunaki (both words meaning "those who have descended"). "Giants" is only an insufficient translation.

No, the story of the Nephilim derives from the Annunaki (both words meaning "those who have descended"). "Giants" is only an insufficient translation.
My point was that people read what they want to read in the Bible. Most people who go around quoting Bible verses at you will never have read the ACTUAL Bible, they've only read a many-times-re-translated copy of a copy of a copy. They won't so much as speak the language that the Bible was written in, yet they'll be quick to tell you what it says and what it means.

Whatever the actual Bible originally said has very little importance these days. Nobody really cares, to be frank, because they're all too busy fighting over who's got the best mistranslation. :)