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Here are the instructors shooting the M777 Light Weight Howitzer in demonstration for some foreign officers:


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Here is a better picture of the M777


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Gun wont go back into battery. Nitrogen cylinders lost pressure, had to recharge. I'd hate to recharge an artillery peice. Sounds tough :p

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The gunline:

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40 Rounds of HE
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2 on the ready board:
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Getting ready to shoot the M777:

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Vidoe

home.comcast.net/~colonelklink/artyschool/m198shoot.avi (http://home.comcast.net/~colonelklink/artyschool/m198shoot.avi)


IIRC I will be going to fort sill in july and I will take pics. My buddy is graduating from Basic.

Looks impressive.. shame the AS90 kicks its arse.

Yep...where do I sign up?

If thats the light howitzer, I want to see the heavy one.

:D

The heavy stuff:

http://www.aopt91.dsl.pipex.com/railgun/Content/Railwayguns/German/Dora%20index.htm

The heavy stuff:

http://www.aopt91.dsl.pipex.com/railgun/Content/Railwayguns/German/Dora%20index.htm
Seems rather pointless if you ask me. Bigger isn't always better.

What do Marines want with heavy arty anyway? That's what the squids are for.

The Army has a better piece:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m270.htm

You can salvo a 1 km x 1 km area, and get every person and every vehicle all at once.

Army's SUPPOSED to have that kind of stuff. Not the USMC.

Army's SUPPOSED to have that kind of stuff. Not the USMC.

The marines are pretty much all 3 of the other forces rolled into one-they have their own air force (Cobras, Hueys, Harriers, Hornets) Artillery (Above) Ships ( MEU battle groups) Armor (M1s, LAVs) and of course grunts.

The Army has a better piece:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m270.htm

You can salvo a 1 km x 1 km area, and get every person and every vehicle all at once.

The marines have nowhere near the money to buy and test new weapons. They didn't get the m16 until later in Vietnam. They will probably wait and let the army test this out and see how well it works.

The marines have nowhere near the money to buy and test new weapons. They didn't get the m16 until later in Vietnam. They will probably wait and let the army test this out and see how well it works.
It's been working quite well for almost 20 years.

Of course if you want to put some real steel on target you go with one of these bad mothers

http://public.andrews.amc.af.mil/jsoh/images/planes/b-52-2_large.jpg

Look at the guns on that!
http://www.out-and-about.dk/images/konkurrencer/Sweat.jpg

The Marines dint't WANT the M-16 the fought to keep the M-14 as long as possible.


The marines have nowhere near the money to buy and test new weapons. They didn't get the m16 until later in Vietnam. They will probably wait and let the army test this out and see how well it works.

It's been working quite well for almost 20 years.
The area rocket launcher?

Marines probably don't like it then, I guess. Or it doesn't meet their ideals.

The Marines dint't WANT the M-16 the fought to keep the M-14 as long as possible.

Yup. Despite being heavy, unweildy, it was a reliable, accurate, and hard hitting gun.

They still issue it today, also.

The simple fact you had this image proves there is something DEEPLY wrong with you.




Look at the guns on that!
http://www.out-and-about.dk/images/konkurrencer/Sweat.jpg

Now, now you'll find it's hosted on a website, not from my personal collection of photos of guns. "DEEPLY" you say, interesting.

Impressive. DM, ever hear of Metal Storm? Think it will ever be in use by our forces?

The heavy stuff:

http://www.aopt91.dsl.pipex.com/railgun/Content/Railwayguns/German/Dora%20index.htm
Stupid Nazi idiots.

The marines are pretty much all 3 of the other forces rolled into one-they have their own air force (Cobras, Hueys, Harriers, Hornets) Artillery (Above) Ships ( MEU battle groups) Armor (M1s, LAVs) and of course grunts.
What's the purpose of the Marines and what are grunts?

What's the purpose of the Marines and what are grunts?

Marine: naval infantry, however US Marines are basically a mini Army with a greater emphasis on brush wars than major conflicts

grunts:infantry

The area rocket launcher?

Marines probably don't like it then, I guess. Or it doesn't meet their ideals.

Fires 12 rockets per vehicle, each rocket containing 633 shaped charge bomblets.

The latest rockets have individual GPS guidance. So you can put all 12 rockets on the same concentrated spot, or widen the pattern automatically and accurately.

The heavy stuff:

http://www.aopt91.dsl.pipex.com/railgun/Content/Railwayguns/German/Dora%20index.htm

Ah, that isnt the biggest, the biggest was the infamous "Paris Gun" which was a mortar used by Germany to shell Paris, it was giant.

Ah, that isnt the biggest, the biggest was the infamous "Paris Gun" which was a mortar used by Germany to shell Paris, it was giant.

Different war though. No nazis then.

Fires 12 rockets per vehicle, each rocket containing 633 shaped charge bomblets.

The latest rockets have individual GPS guidance. So you can put all 12 rockets on the same concentrated spot, or widen the pattern automatically and accurately.

It's too heavy for the Marines, they weren't all that crazy about adopting the Abrams, they've since changed their stance on that, a better bet would be the HIMARS. It mounts one of the MLRS six round pods on a truck chassis.

htthttp://www.army-technology.com/projects/himars/p://

What do Marines want with heavy arty anyway? That's what the squids are for.

Exactly, thank you for that, no really, thank you. Not many people recognise why they exist anymore. Heavy Artillery. Man, I can't wait to sign up for them.

40 Rounds of HE

if you've had more than one round of HE i'd call BS, ha! :p sorry, that was a cheap shot, i couldn't resist tho. feeling bitchy today :P

Impressive. DM, ever hear of Metal Storm? Think it will ever be in use by our forces?


Heard of it. It will never happen.

if you've had more than one round of HE i'd call BS, ha! :p sorry, that was a cheap shot, i couldn't resist tho. feeling bitchy today :P

Hehe, I wouldn't want to touch a single round of 155mm HE. Artillery isn't my thing. Now my army buddy, he digs that stuff and he's trained on it. Me? Bah..combat arms all the way! :mp5:

Hehe, I wouldn't want to touch a single round of 155mm HE. Artillery isn't my thing. Now my army buddy, he digs that stuff and he's trained on it. Me? Bah..combat arms all the way! :mp5:

Artillery is a combat arm.

Artillery is a combat arm.

ermm..umm..Combat infantry! Yarr matey!

ermm..umm..Combat infantry! Yarr matey!

Historically artillery completely dominated the battlefield. It's estimated that 85% of wounds on the battlefield are caused in some way by artillery, it's called the King of Battle for a reason.

I thought Saddams supergun would've been the biggest ever. Apparently it was to be used for launching satellites as it wasn't pointing at Israel.

Seeing as there are so many military types here. Is there a union in the military, or some kind of representative assosciation?

Odds and Sods!

What do Marines want with heavy arty anyway? That's what the squids are for.

Are you Kidding?
1. WHo doesn't want heavy Arty? I know I do!
and
2. Squids? WHat is this the Forties? If you look at any of our modern warships, not one of them has anything bigger than a 5in piece, and only one of those per ship! Heavy artillery indeed, in the 'missile age' if marines want good heavy fire support, they have to haul it around like everyone else cause the squids won't do it for them anymore.

Are you Kidding?
1. WHo doesn't want heavy Arty? I know I do!
and
2. Squids? WHat is this the Forties? If you look at any of our modern warships, not one of them has anything bigger than a 5in piece, and only one of those per ship! Heavy artillery indeed, in the 'missile age' if marines want good heavy fire support, they have to haul it around like everyone else cause the squids won't do it for them anymore.

The Ticos mount two 5 inchers and the DDX (if it ever gets built) will mount 2 155 guns.

Historically artillery completely dominated the battlefield. It's estimated that 85% of wounds on the battlefield are caused in some way by artillery, it's called the King of Battle for a reason.
Russia's God of War.

German Navy has tested the PzH2000 gun on a boat. Works fine, apparently, they're gonna use it on a new frigate they're developing.
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_61-52_MONARC.htm

Also, the MRLS is hardly new. They've had them for ages.

And the Paris Gun wasn't big. Schwerer Gustav (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwerer_Gustav) was big.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/0b/80_cm_Gustav_shell_compared_to_T-34.jpg/300px-80_cm_Gustav_shell_compared_to_T-34.jpg

German Navy has tested the PzH2000 gun on a boat. Works fine, apparently, they're gonna use it on a new frigate they're developing.
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_61-52_MONARC.htm

Also, the MRLS is hardly new. They've had them for ages.

And the Paris Gun wasn't big. Schwerer Gustav (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwerer_Gustav) was big.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/0b/80_cm_Gustav_shell_compared_to_T-34.jpg/300px-80_cm_Gustav_shell_compared_to_T-34.jpg
Yay for 1 round every3 hours! or something!:rolleyes:

Is that Frigate th Echo class?

Yay for 1 round every3 hours! or something!:rolleyes:
Well, it's targets were big fortresses and stuff, and they tend to not move around a lot.

Is that Frigate th Echo class?
I don't think so, F125 is the current project name.
http://www.rheinmetall-defence.de/index.php?lang=3&fid=2675
http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_005187.php

The trick is that grenades are probably not easy to intercept, and with a modern gun like the PzH2000 you can bring them as accurately as you can a missile.

Well, it's targets were big fortresses and stuff, and they tend to not move around a lot.


I don't think so, F125 is the current project name.
http://www.rheinmetall-defence.de/index.php?lang=3&fid=2675
http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_005187.php

The trick is that grenades are probably not easy to intercept, and with a modern gun like the PzH2000 you can bring them as accurately as you can a missile.
Touche.
Guess we just have to wait for the floating City in the Sky.
*Hides Project Icarus*

Germans.
http://www.ypres-battlefield-tours.com/images/German%20infantry%20gun%20L16.5%20%20%2076.2mm.jpg
:rolleyes:

The Ticos mount two 5 inchers and the DDX (if it ever gets built) will mount 2 155 guns.

Indeed (and theDDX will be built, insofar as much as the next gen DD will have 2 155mm guns, since that is in the requirments from the DOD) But. that is not very much Heavy Arty for anything. Let alone a Landing operation on a disputed beach head.
And once you get much past the Beachhead, those 5 inchers stop being real useful real fast.

And, witht he trend going towards over-the horizon shore raids, naval support might not even be there for the landing.

The 'Rines need Heavy Arty!

Riiight, well I'll leave you guys to rub each others guns.