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Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about! "Honor to whom honor is due."

Eutrusca
26-06-2006, 14:20
COMMENTARY: Particularly telling is the mention in this story of how being reviled when he returned from Vietnam prompted Woody Wagner, with the Hampton Roads Patriot Guard Riders, to serve as ride captain for the group. Being reviled by your own countrymen is something you don't easily forget.


Motorcycle group escorts local soldier
returning to Iraq (http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=106550&ran=48739)


By KATE WILTROUT, The Virginian-Pilot
© June 24, 2006

VIRGINIA BEACH - The first leg of Christopher Edwards' long journey back to Baghdad started with a thunderous rumble Friday morning, when a motorcade of 30 flag-bedecked motorcycles escorted the surprised Army specialist and his family to the Norfolk airport.

Local members of Patriot Guard Riders, a nationwide affiliation of bikers who typically ride to funerals of military members killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, had a happier mission: Thank a soldier home on leave for his service, and send him back to Iraq with a roar of good wishes.

Donna Edwards, mother of the 21-year-old soldier, requested the escort after learning about the organization from her colleague, Woody Wagner.

Wagner, who serves as the Hampton Roads ride captain for the group, was glad to oblige.

About 300 people - not all of them bikers - belong to the organization locally. Formed last fall, the network counts 41,000 members nationwide.

Last week, Wagner announced the ride on the group's Web site, and the message spread. Many of the riders Friday were participating in their first mission with the group.

As a growing crowd affixed American flags to their bikes and snapped on helmets, Wagner and Kat Atwood went into the Kempsville restaurant where Edwards was finishing breakfast with his mother, sister, aunt and grandfather.

"This is your own personal parade," Atwood told Edwards, who graduated from Portsmouth's Woodrow Wilson High School in 2002 . "A small token of our appreciation for your personal service."

Edwards joined the Army in January 2003 and served a hitch in Afghanistan before arriving in Iraq last October with the 101st Airborne Division .

He came home June 7 for two weeks of leave, which included a trip to Busch Gardens, time at the beach, a family cookout and hanging out with friends.

He tried not to think about the war while he was home, Edwards said.

"But it's always in the back of your mind. It's hard to forget about."

He has 2-1/2 months left in Iraq and plans to get out of the Army when his commitment ends in January.

"I'm glad I'm going back so I can get it over with," he said.

The Patriot Guard Riders have garnered national attention for their presence at funerals. While the group's primary mission is to show respect for the family and community of fallen military members, its other purpose is to shield mourning families from protestors.

One Kansas-based church has picketed at military funerals, claiming that U.S. deaths in Iraq are God's retaliation for the American culture's tolerance of homosexuality.

Reading about that motivated Ken Trietch to get involved.

"As soon as I found out what it was about, I had to join," said Trietch, who lives in Hampton. "Some things you have to do."

In January, the Patriot Guard Riders attended services for Army Cpl. Tony Lutz of Chesapeake, the first local funeral for the group. Many have ridden outside the region as well.

Wagner has traveled to four military funerals outside the area, something that has extra significance for him. His son, like Edwards, is an Army infantryman. He has pulled two tours in Iraq and faces a third one this winter.

"I'll do this for anybody and everybody, but God forbid I have to do it for my son," Wagner said.

Three weeks ago, Bill Jones rode to Greensboro, N.C. , where Patriot Guard Riders had been invited to escort a fallen Marine's body from the funeral home to the memorial service.

"This one's so much better. It's not a funeral," said Jones, who took the morning off from his job at Norfolk Naval Shipyard to ride his gleaming black 1999 Harley-Davidson Electra Glide.

Jones served in Vietnam, and he remembers when soldiers were publicly reviled for their service.

"It sort of eats at you over the years," Jones said. "Then you see the military finally getting a little respect. It makes you feel good."

The bikers broke into applause when Atwood introduced Edwards outside the restaurant. Moments later, with a flip of kickstands and rumble of engines, they got down to business.

They rode in pairs down Indian River Road , turned onto Military Highway and made a right on Azalea Garden Road .

They parked their bikes and formed two facing lines outside the doors of the airport terminal. On Atwood's command, as Edwards approached the door, they snapped to salute.

"Good luck, and thank you," Atwood said.
UpwardThrust
26-06-2006, 14:23
Are we actualy suprized? that a motor cycle group that has "Patriot Guard Riders" as part of the name would do this :eek:
CanuckHeaven
26-06-2006, 14:33
COMMENTARY: Particularly telling is the mention in this story of how being reviled when he returned from Vietnam prompted Woody Wagner, with the Hampton Roads Patriot Guard Riders, to serve as ride captain for the group. Being reviled by your own countrymen is something you don't easily forget.
The most poignant part of the article that jumped off the page:

"I'm glad I'm going back so I can get it over with," he said.

Kinda speaks volumes to me.
The Nazz
26-06-2006, 14:39
You know something Eutrusca--on some days, it feels like you're arguing that the most persecuted minority in the history of the US is Vietnam vets. There were what, 500,000 men and women who served in Vietnam? And of the ones who returned, how many were spit on or called babykillers to their faces? 1%? 2%? I really doubt that the number went as high as 10%.

Get a sense of perspective, man. No, it wasn't right, but damn, drop the cross you've been bearing all these years.
BogMarsh
26-06-2006, 14:52
You know something Eutrusca--on some days, it feels like you're arguing that the most persecuted minority in the history of the US is Vietnam vets. There were what, 500,000 men and women who served in Vietnam? And of the ones who returned, how many were spit on or called babykillers to their faces? 1%? 2%? I really doubt that the number went as high as 10%.

Get a sense of perspective, man. No, it wasn't right, but damn, drop the cross you've been bearing all these years.

Not until the day that society acknowledges that A] the Vets were given a bum deal, and that B] the so-called peace-activists are scum beyond redemption!

Patriotism is supporting your Government when it is worthy ( not now, methinks ) - and your country ALWAYS!
UpwardThrust
26-06-2006, 14:54
Not until the day that society acknowledges that A] the Vets were given a bum deal, and that B] the so-called peace-activists are scum beyond redemption!

Patriotism is supporting your Government when it is worthy ( not now, methinks ) - and your country ALWAYS!
The people that spit on vets were scum

Not all piece activists are scum
Deep Kimchi
26-06-2006, 14:55
The people that spit on vets were scum

Not all piece activists are scum

I'm sorry, but if someone spit on me, I would break their fingers.
The Nazz
26-06-2006, 14:56
The people that spit on vets were scum

Not all peace activists are scum
And let me add that today's vets are getting an even more raw deal when it comes to the way our government is chintzing them on their benefits.
BogMarsh
26-06-2006, 14:57
The people that spit on vets were scum

Not all piece activists are scum


Patriotism is supporting your Government when it is worthy ( not now, methinks ) - and your country ALWAYS!

Anyone who fails the patriotism-test is scum. To put it mildly.
Lunatic Goofballs
26-06-2006, 14:58
And let me add that today's vets are getting an even more raw deal when it comes to the way our government is chintzing them on their benefits.

Very true.
BogMarsh
26-06-2006, 14:59
And let me add that today's vets are getting an even more raw deal when it comes to the way our government is chintzing them on their benefits.


*nods*
Bush and Cheney don't strike me as proper Patriots.

Oddly enough ( or perhaps not so odd when you think about it... ) the real patriots ( during the 20th century, anyway ) were more likely to be Dem than Rep.
UpwardThrust
26-06-2006, 15:02
I'm sorry, but if someone spit on me, I would break their fingers.
Why are you apologizing to me ? lol I was not trying to protect those scum that did such
UpwardThrust
26-06-2006, 15:04
Patriotism is supporting your Government when it is worthy ( not now, methinks ) - and your country ALWAYS!

Anyone who fails the patriotism-test is scum. To put it mildly.
I feel more respect towards someone that is taking an active role in making their country a better place (whoever that is) then someone that blindly supports whatever the current whim is
Eutrusca
26-06-2006, 15:06
And let me add that today's vets are getting an even more raw deal when it comes to the way our government is chintzing them on their benefits.
And you come by this esoteric knowledge, how?
The Nazz
26-06-2006, 15:09
And you come by this esoteric knowledge, how?
I read and I pay attention. You know, cutbacks in health benefits and increases in copays and out of pocket expenses for wounded and disabled veterans makes the news if you know where to look for it.
BogMarsh
26-06-2006, 15:13
I feel more respect towards someone that is taking an active role in making their country a better place (whoever that is) then someone that blindly supports whatever the current whim is


Patriotism is a matter of fully realising and agreeing with the point that JFK raised:
'don't ask what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country'.
UpwardThrust
26-06-2006, 15:22
Patriotism is a matter of fully realising and agreeing with the point that JFK raised:
'don't ask what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country'.
I feel sorry for whoever’s only consideration is blind service of the government of the country you live in. Some of us work on making sure that government is one that deserves to exist.
DrunkenDove
26-06-2006, 23:20
Patriotism is supporting your Government when it is worthy ( not now, methinks ) - and your country ALWAYS!

What’s the difference between supporting your government and supporting your country?
Nodinia
26-06-2006, 23:27
COMMENTARY: . Being reviled by your own countrymen is something you don't easily forget.


For some. Presumably that was the idea behind some of the reviling.
Minkonio
27-06-2006, 00:29
For some. Presumably that was the idea behind some of the reviling.
Oh, so they deserved it now, huh?

There's not a word I could use to describe you that would'nt result in my banning...There just is'nt.
Wow, can you imagine the respect involved in having a bunch of fat old fags saluting you. A bunch of old hasbeen losers, trying to suck some validation out of your uniform. That guy must have been thinking only one thing getting on that plane. "My mom is hanging with some right douchebags".
Why do you not like people who died for you, or the people who honor them? You must be a 10-year-old to believe the things you believe.
Frutap
27-06-2006, 00:32
Honor to whom honor is due huh?...
great title i love it ^^

But what i am saying is you don't have to agree with the war

just respect the men and women who are fighting in it
[NS:]Fargozia
27-06-2006, 00:43
What’s the difference between supporting your government and supporting your country?

The government is an institution that manages (or usually mis-manages) the nation and its economy. You can hate the government, quite legitimately, because its economic policies, foreign policy etc are an anathema to your opinions.

A nation is a collection of ideals based around or within a geographic location. I'm a Scot, who is also British as I subscribe to the various ideals within the idea of being Scots, whilst still subscribing to the ideals of being British. I can quite legitimatley love my nation whilst despising the government, a position I was in during the Thatcherite mismanagement of Britain during the 1980s.
UpwardThrust
27-06-2006, 01:00
Honor to whom honor is due huh?...
great title i love it ^^

But what i am saying is you don't have to agree with the war

just respect the men and women who are fighting in it
I respect them as much as I respect any other hard working man or woman
Dobbsworld
27-06-2006, 01:03
I call it bait. And none too enticing, either.
Frutap
27-06-2006, 01:37
I respect them as much as I respect any other hard working man or woman

all i am saying that i respect them is because there are many people who feel that they should be greeted home like so many vietnam vets were greeted commoing home.. tha tisn't right ~.~
Teh_pantless_hero
27-06-2006, 01:38
I call it bait. And none too enticing, either.
Second.

Vietnam vets got fucked, the end. However, that is no reason to go a-class berserker when anyone disagrees with or protests a war. If it gets out of hand, then you can put on your viking helmet and yell Viking warcries all you want. The persistant pressure for extreme respect solely because people are soldiers stemming from the slap in the face the Vietnam vets received is overkill and something you should probably see a psych about.
UpwardThrust
27-06-2006, 01:52
all i am saying that i respect them is because there are many people who feel that they should be greeted home like so many vietnam vets were greeted commoing home.. tha tisn't right ~.~
No law abiding citizen deserves that sort of treatment wether it be a solider or a single working mom or a homosexual couple
Pride and Prejudice
27-06-2006, 02:06
No law abiding person deserves that sort of treatment whether it be a solider or a single working mom or a homosexual couple.

Fixed. I'd also add that certain not law-abiding people don't deserve that sort of treatment either (you know - the ones who are mostly law-abiding but accidentally did <insert minor accidental infraction here> or stupidly did <insert other minor infraction here, like smoking medical marijuana>), but that's what I'd add.
UpwardThrust
27-06-2006, 02:13
Fixed. I'd also add that certain not law-abiding people don't deserve that sort of treatment either (you know - the ones who are mostly law-abiding but accidentally did <insert minor accidental infraction here> or stupidly did <insert other minor infraction here, like smoking medical marijuana>), but that's what I'd add.
Thank you agree to the correction

And there are a few in the criminal sector I do not feel deserve any respect whatsoever (they deserve life yes but respect no)
Markreich
27-06-2006, 03:51
I saw this in the NY Post today, thought it kind of fitting...

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/strips/mallard/2000/MFT20060626.jpg

(Before you ask, I've GOT to read the NY Post... 25 cents for 2 Su Doku puzzles. Plus it's a fan when the Metro North AC breaks down! Also, it rounds out the NPR I listen to in the morning nicely.)
Psychotic Mongooses
27-06-2006, 04:03
I saw this in the NY Post today, thought it kind of fitting...

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/strips/mallard/2000/MFT20060626.jpg

(Before you ask, I've GOT to read the NY Post... 25 cents for 2 Su Doku puzzles. Plus it's a fan when the Metro North AC breaks down! Also, it rounds out the NPR I listen to in the morning nicely.)

Hilarious considering Gitmo and all.
Nodinia
27-06-2006, 09:05
Oh, so they deserved it now, huh?

There's not a word I could use to describe you that would'nt result in my banning...There just is'nt.

Why do you not like people who died for you, or the people who honor them? You must be a 10-year-old to believe the things you believe.

They didn't die for him, me, or you, for that matter. It was a fuck up from start to finish. At best they could be described as "misguided". As for name calling, feel free. I've asked for false allegations to be romved once in the twice on other forums, but I don't mind name calling. Or "personal abuse".