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Alright, the way the referee was handling the game, I thought it was Christmas. Funny thing is, it's warm outside and I'm pretty hot.

I, for one, was rooting for the Netherlands, but at the end, it was clear that they didn't deserve to win it. They'd pass the half-way mark and simply launch it in the Portugal zone... especially when they had one man extra.

What did you think of the referee's competence?

The ref was bad, but both sides played dirty. All cards were pretty right though...

It was funny.. Just a dirty game.

Protugal definitly deserved to win that one.

20 yellow cards in one match isn't right, go sit with Poll, Ivanov...

I'd have sent Deco off first time. That TACKLE FROM BEHIND was a retributive tackle, you haven't giving us the ball back, so I'm going to lunge.

Don't even remind me of the things that happened with Figo...

I'd have sent Figo off too! "What's that linesman, that Figo bloke's just headbutted someone? Well, we can't be having that!"

I say good on him. We need more sending off in football these days. Back when I were a lad, we'd play 5-a-side in the school grounds and be happy with that.

Yeah, he was a bit card happy, but the Portuguese were dirty. A decent referee would have given out over 10 yellows in that match. However, he lost control. One brawl is almost acceptable in a match as bad-tempered as this, but Ivanov should have stamped down on that straight away and made it clear he wouldn't accept any more. But for there to be two such brawls means that he had clearly lost control. The players didn't respect him in the slightest. It probably was the worst refereeing of the World Cup so far, but I've seen worse displays by refs.

I say good on him. We need more sending off in football these days. Back when I were a lad, we'd play 5-a-side in the school grounds and be happy with that.

:p Good idea, maybe we should make the fields smaller and have a schoolbell announce half time ;)

I voted for the 'meh' option.

The ref got a bit card-happy but you can understand why. I don't like how a ref performed making a win any less important though. Portugal played well. Netherlands did not.

Pretty n00bish, if you ask me

The ref was justifiably "card happy"; no tolerance should be shown to fouling, let alone the arrogance of repeat fouls. The players should have respected the laws of the game, but there was cheat after cheat.

Arguably, the ref didn't always book the right people, but given the intense cheating in that game, it served both teams right for cheating unstoppably. Besides, it can't be easy to determine who did what, when so many players are cheating simultaneously.

And you can't be looking everywhere at once.

Yeah, he was a bit card happy, but the Portuguese were dirty. A decent referee would have given out over 10 yellows in that match. However, he lost control. One brawl is almost acceptable in a match as bad-tempered as this, but Ivanov should have stamped down on that straight away and made it clear he wouldn't accept any more. But for there to be two such brawls means that he had clearly lost control. The players didn't respect him in the slightest. It probably was the worst refereeing of the World Cup so far, but I've seen worse displays by refs.

How is he supposed to stamp his authority after a brawl except by booking players? :confused:
Poor reffing, but by no means the worst to date. Not much many could have done.... except Collina maybe.

The recent history between the 2 teams meant it would be highly charged, but the targeting of C. Ronaldo was cynical.

Holland lived by the sword and died by it- blame Van Basten for not bringing on Van Nistelrooij.

Deco should have been sent off for his first card, but the poor sportsmanship from the Dutch in not giving the ball back after Portugal had kicked it out, underlines their attitude towards the game.

Although, it was hilarious as the camera zoomed in on the 'bold corner' where Deco and Van Bronck. were sitting side by side, having a chat and laugh. :D

Although, it was hilarious as the camera zoomed in on the 'bold corner' where Deco and Van Bronck. were sitting side by side, having a chat and laugh. :D
That was so funny. Called them the "bad boys" lol. Was great.

20 yellow cards in one match isn't right...Wait a minute..

are you saying that there should be a limit on the number of cards, or that there should be like a quota-per-game or something????

Wait a minute..

are you saying that there should be a limit on the number of cards, or that there should be like a quota-per-game or something????
No, just that giving that much cards in a game just isn't right.

20 yellow cards in one match isn't right...No, just that giving that much cards in a game just isn't right.what is the rigth number? 19?

what is the rigth number? 19?
Yes....

Wait a minute..

are you saying that there should be a limit on the number of cards, or that there should be like a quota-per-game or something????

Why not ? Simply end the game if too many fouls are committed.

Why not ? Simply end the game if too many fouls are committed.
They do that when one of the teams is left with 7 players.

They do that when one of the teams is left with 7 players.

I know - but this situation was just as ridiculous.

Why not ? Simply end the game if too many fouls are committed.so that is Your Magic solution?

2 words it sux.

How is he supposed to stamp his authority after a brawl except by booking players? :confused:
Poor reffing, but by no means the worst to date. Not much many could have done.... except Collina maybe.
No, you do it by telling the players to cut their shit out and calm the fuck down or you'll have no hesitation in sending them off and reporting them to FIFA. I don't imagine the ref did that.

I know - but this situation was just as ridiculous.
Yeah, I was trying to make that point, but it went unnoticed by someone...

Firstly, I am not a big follower of soccer, I have nothing against and have enjoyed several of the matches from this WC. I just don't get that much exposure to it, being an American.

However, the commentators were flabbergasted by the "poor sportsmanship" of the Dutch for taking that dropped ball. Yet, it seems that half of the best scoring opportunities come from players who are flopping and baiting foul calls. The Portugese goalie rolled around on the ground for 6 minutes while the clock was winding down and then got up and played the rest of the game unscathed.

How can you gripe about one player exploiting a rule, while the entire game was almost ruined by other players exploiting rules?

Maybe you have to learn to like the nuances of the game, but to me, soccer has to make some major changes before I truly enjoy it.

so that is Your Magic solution?

2 words it sux.

So does the game in that situation. A nice touch would be demanding that the teams refund the spectators.

They do that when one of the teams is left with 7 players.has it ever happened in the WC?

I dont think so..

In this kind of game you can clearly see that at one point the zebra was no longer issuing the yellow unless he had no choice.. FIFA does not want to end the game like that.

Either way.. I dont see how that rule can help..

So does the game in that situation. A nice touch would be demanding that the teams refund the spectators.FIFA takes all the money .. they should pay.

However, the commentators were flabbergasted by the "poor sportsmanship" of the Dutch for taking that dropped ball.

Portugal defender and Dutch attacker got injured in a collision. Play went forward and Portugal attacked fast on the break (Deco was almost through on goal).

Ref called it back, so Portugal kiceked the ball out for the players to be treated.

Sportmanship would dictate that at the Dutch throw-in, they would give the ball back (maybe far down the field) to the Portug. in returning the good favour they dealt them.

Instead they played on, hence the crowds louds Boo's.

It was after that that I became in favour of the Port. to win. Bad form from the Dutch. :(

Portugal defender and Dutch attacker got injured in a collision. Play went forward and Portugal attacked fast on the break (Deco was almost through on goal).

Ref called it back, so Portugal kiceked the ball out for the players to be treated.

Sportmanship would dictate that at the Dutch throw-in, they would give the ball back (maybe far down the field) to the Portug. in returning the good favour they dealt them.

Instead they played on, hence the crowds louds Boo's.

It was after that that I became in favour of the Port. to win. Bad form from the Dutch. :(
Payback for Figo's dive

Portugal defender and Dutch attacker got injured in a collision. Play went forward and Portugal attacked fast on the break (Deco was almost through on goal).

Ref called it back, so Portugal kiceked the ball out for the players to be treated.

Sportmanship would dictate that at the Dutch throw-in, they would give the ball back (maybe far down the field) to the Portug. in returning the good favour they dealt them.

Instead they played on, hence the crowds louds Boo's.

It was after that that I became in favour of the Port. to win. Bad form from the Dutch. :(

The thing is, I saw nothing but what I consider bad form from the Portugese for most of the game in all of the dives they took.

I am not saying that the Dutch were in the right, I am just saying that what they did is nothing compared to the diving and acting I see in soccer nearly every 30 seconds.

TBC's hitlist for Engalnd/Portugal:

Figo
Maniche
Ricardo
Scolari
Simao

Anyone else hope Figo has his nose broken by a headbutt?

Portugal defender and Dutch attacker got injured in a collision. Play went forward and Portugal attacked fast on the break (Deco was almost through on goal).

Ref called it back, so Portugal kiceked the ball out for the players to be treated.

Sportmanship would dictate that at the Dutch throw-in, they would give the ball back (maybe far down the field) to the Portug. in returning the good favour they dealt them.

Instead they played on, hence the crowds louds Boo's.

It was after that that I became in favour of the Port. to win. Bad form from the Dutch. :(

The ref had to stop the Deco, as the Dutch had already stopped to allow treatment to Carvalho. Deco was trying taking advantage of this sportsmanship which for me lost any right he had to demand that the Dutch return the ball. Additionally, the game was restarted with a drop ball, which Deco wanted to pick up where the ref had stopped him. I am sure if he had not made a fuss then the ball would simply have been played long to the Portuguese defence. Deco is to blame for the whole situation, but all the same the Dutch should have returned the ball.

Payback for Figo's dive
You mean the elbow in the face?

Yeah, he made the most of it.

Also, an outstretched elbow connecting with a players head normally results in a card. It was yellow- it just sucked for him that it was his second.
Ref had no choice.

Having said that, Figo should have gone for the 'headbutt' on Van Bommel too.

It was bad tempered after C. Ronaldo was forced off. Not to mention previous history. However, it is plain sportsmanship that was in question. The Dutch lacked it in the key moment. It would have cost them nothing to kick the ball far downfield. There was still a good 20 mins left.

TBC's hitlist for Engalnd/Portugal:

Figo
Maniche
Ricardo
Scolari
Simao

Anyone else hope Figo has his nose broken by a headbutt?

I can just imagine the commentary
". . .and a sliding tackle from Hargreaves on the touchline goes straight through Scolari. That looks nasty, he could have torn a knee ligament there. As he is off the field of play the referee waves play on."

TBC's hitlist for Engalnd/Portugal:

Figo
Maniche
Ricardo
Scolari
Simao

Anyone else hope Figo has his nose broken by a headbutt?
Just have to make sure no England players shake hands too hard, or the Portuguese reaction might get them sent off...

The ref had to stop the Deco, as the Dutch had already stopped to allow treatment to Carvalho.
I don't think so. The ball was in play and continued upfield. Carvalho and Kuyt I think was injured, but it was a valid break until the ref called it back.
Thats fair enough in my book.


Additionally, the game was restarted with a drop ball, which Deco wanted to pick up where the ref had stopped him. I am sure if he had not made a fuss then the ball would simply have been played long to the Portuguese defence. Deco is to blame for the whole situation, but all the same the Dutch should have returned the ball.

Deco should have gone for his first yellow no doubt, but it was Heitinga not passing the ball back that probably made a bad tempered situation worse.

I can just imagine the commentary
". . .and a sliding tackle from Hargreaves on the touchline goes straight through Scolari. That looks nasty, he could have torn a knee ligament there. As he is off the field of play the referee waves play on."
Not if it's Motty doing the commentary. He'd be having a fit trying to explain what's going on. Seriously, the guy should be retired.

No, you do it by telling the players to cut their shit out and calm the fuck down or you'll have no hesitation in sending them off and reporting them to FIFA. I don't imagine the ref did that.
What exactly is the message sent by handing out yellow and yellow-reds in abundance if not exactly that?

"The way you're playing is not within FIFA rules, have a card or two" http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/yellowcard.gifhttp://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/redcard.gif

That game deserved as many cards as it got. Sure, the ref made mistakes - I still believe he did an okay job though, considering the task given.

And I even made 3 points on the bet saying Portugal would win 2:1 :D

That game deserved as many cards as it got. Sure, the ref made mistakes - I still believe he did an okay job though, considering the task given.


Cards don't control a game, refs do. If a ref can't control a game without cards, he won't do it by pulling out cards.

This ref lost control of the game.

The first mistake of the ref was not giving a red card to the criminal that attacked Cristiano Ronaldo. Costinha's reaction - hitting the guy twice - got applauses from me, even if it got him out of the game. The Netherlands played dirty, and the two times they refused to throw the ball in after Portugal gave them the ball lacked sportsmanship completely. Portugal reacted by playing dirty as well - if a tad less dirty. I fully support them on that: If a player ever tried to hit my ankle and I succeeded at jumping, I'd make a point of landing right on THEIR ankle to teach them not to play dirty with me. The Netherlands players hit the Portuguese like crazy. The ref did nothing. It's pretty natural, then, that the Portuguese would react in kind.

I'm just annoyed that Portugal will be missing important players in their next game. It's like they're gifting things to an England that so far hasn't shown to deserve anything.

Worse officiated game I have ever witnessed but the cards were worth it for the most part.

The first mistake of the ref was not giving a red card to the criminal that attacked Cristiano Ronaldo. Costinha's reaction - hitting the guy twice - got applauses from me, even if it got him out of the game. The Netherlands played dirty, and the two times they refused to throw the ball in after Portugal gave them the ball lacked sportsmanship completely. Portugal reacted by playing dirty as well - if a tad less dirty. I fully support them on that: If a player ever tried to hit my ankle and I succeeded at jumping, I'd make a point of landing right on THEIR ankle to teach them not to play dirty with me. The Netherlands players hit the Portuguese like crazy. The ref did nothing. It's pretty natural, then, that the Portuguese would react in kind.

Correct me if I'm wrong but who had more cautions? Oh yea....Portugal.
btw: Stats

POR NED
10 Shots 20
3 Corners 5
10 Fouls 15
9 Cautions 7
2 Expulsions 2

Notice that Portugal had more yellows.

20 yellow cards in one match isn't right, go sit with Poll, Ivanov...

It was actually 16 yellows, not 20.

The sportsmanship on the side of the Dutch was very poor. In the case of an injured player where someone puts the ball out of play so he can get treatment you always returen the ball, thats just fair play.

An Example

An FA cup match between Arsenal and Sheffield Wednesday. A Wednesday player was injured and the ball was put out of play. Kanu took the ball from the throw in and went on to score the winning goal. Being African and not long in the game he was unaware of this "unwritten rule". The Arsenal manager, after the game, actually offered to replay the game as he thought it was unfair they should win in that manner. THATS sportsmanship

No, just that giving that much cards in a game just isn't right.

This statement shows what's wrong with people who don't understand that those cards were deserved.

Correct me if I'm wrong but who had more cautions? Oh yea....Portugal.
btw: Stats

POR NED
10 Shots 20
3 Corners 5
10 Fouls 15
9 Cautions 7
2 Expulsions 2

Notice that Portugal had more yellows.

Yes, but the Netherlands had 5 more fouls. Plus the ref missed more misdeeds from the Netherlands side...

As for worst WC ref, I'm between this one and the moron that gave three yellows to the same player and stole two penalties from Australia...

The referee did what he could given the circumstances. Both sides got out of hand and I think its more the players fault. The game itself was slow and not entertaining for the most part. The ref should have gave a red card on the 1st yellow, though. It might have settled things down.

Its unfortunate that brawling/doing dumb things with the ball/and getting cards ultimately led to a win. But a win is a win. Congrats Portugal, you got what you wanted.

Interesting side note. The last time these 2 teams met in the quarters was in 1966 when England defeated Portugal and went on to win the world cup.

It was actually 16 yellows, not 20.

Still tied a World Cup record.

...but the poor sportsmanship from the Dutch in not giving the ball back after Portugal had kicked it out, underlines their attitude towards the game.

I've never seen that before. I was shocked. At least this time the referee gave cards to both teams. Holland-Ivory Coast the referee certainly had a Dutch girlfriend or something. Holland lost all my respect during that game.

Firstly, I am not a big follower of soccer, [...] The Portugese goalie rolled around on the ground for 6 minutes while the clock was winding down and then got up and played the rest of the game unscathed.

How can you gripe about one player exploiting a rule, while the entire game was almost ruined by other players exploiting rules?


This is football. Injury time is added on to the end. :rolleyes:

This statement shows what's wrong with people who don't understand that those cards were deserved.
Go play American football or something.

Go play American football or something.
Stupid thing is all those cards where deserved-and don't tell me to go play rugby when you don't udnerstand the rules. indeed if I'd been in charge there would have been more cards. Deco would have been straight off for one thing, as would Figo. And Robben would have been yellowed for diving-I really, really hate that sort of thing. I'll let side tackles go and I'll let shoudler barges go-try to keep the game flowing but diving and trying to con the ref I don't accept.

That said there where some harsh ones as well, the last dutch red was a poor decision. it was a free kcik certainly but a yellow? Never.

Oh, and I'm a FA level 1 ref and I'm taking my level 2 soon, so don't say I don't know what i'm talkinbg about.

Well, its simple:

-The Ref had no control whatsoever
-Way to many cards, they didn't play football for a large part of the second half
-Both sides were dirty, the Portugese more than the Dutch.

I doubt Portugal stands a chance against England with the most important players out.

Stupid thing is all those cards where deserved-and don't tell me to go play rugby when you don't udnerstand the rules. indeed if I'd been in charge there would have been more cards. Deco would have been straight off for one thing, as would Figo. And Robben would have been yellowed for diving-I really, really hate that sort of thing. I'll let side tackles go and I'll let shoudler barges go-try to keep the game flowing but diving and trying to con the ref I don't accept.

That said there where some harsh ones as well, the last dutch red was a poor decision. it was a free kcik certainly but a yellow? Never.

Oh, and I'm a FA level 1 ref and I'm taking my level 2 soon, so don't say I don't know what i'm talkinbg about.But the thing is, there wouldn't have been so many cards if Ivanov did it right from the start. Boularouhz deserved red for his action against C. Ronaldo, and van Bommel didn't deserve that yellow card in the first minute. From that point on it went downhill.

(In three matches Ivanov gave 25 yellow cards and 4 red ones, Blatter has warned him for that).

But the thing is, there wouldn't have been so many cards if Ivanov did it right from the start. Boularouhz deserved red for his action against C. Ronaldo, and van Bommel didn't deserve that yellow card in the first minute. From that point on it went downhill.

(In three matches Ivanov gave 25 yellow cards and 4 red ones, Blatter has warned him for that).

While I agree that the ref made some bad mistakes early on - which contributed to the problems - the vast majority of the cards were justified. As to Blatter warning him, I wonder what blatter would have done if he had had to referee this match.

It is up to the players to play within the rules of the game. If they don't and won't then there will be a lot of cards given out.

While I agree that the ref made some bad mistakes early on - which contributed to the problems - the vast majority of the cards were justified. As to Blatter warning him, I wonder what blatter would have done if he had had to referee this match.

It is up to the players to play within the rules of the game. If they don't and won't then there will be a lot of cards given out.
Yeah, I'm not saying the cards weren't justified, just that the game went out of hand and that that many cards in a game isn't right. It's football not 'let's see how many cards I can give in a game'.

Yeah, I'm not saying the cards weren't justified, just that the game went out of hand and that that many cards in a game isn't right. It's football not 'let's see how many cards we can score in a game'.

So blame the players, not the ref.

So blame the players, not the ref.
That's not what I meant *edits previous post*

edit: And the ref sucks, you may complain about the ref when you lose:p

And the ref sucks, you may complain about the ref when you lose:p
Of course you can, a time honoured tradition that has to be maintained. :D

Still tied a World Cup record.

That is so very true. *sighs*

A poorly officiated game as well.

Go play American football or something.

I maybe a fan of the NFL but I'm not stupid enough to play it :D

And this is the best comeback u can come up with to an accurate statement about the cards? Did you even watch the game because the way you are typing, I doubt it.

But the thing is, there wouldn't have been so many cards if Ivanov did it right from the start. Boularouhz deserved red for his action against C. Ronaldo, and van Bommel didn't deserve that yellow card in the first minute. From that point on it went downhill.

(In three matches Ivanov gave 25 yellow cards and 4 red ones, Blatter has warned him for that).

A disgruntled Holland fan. Yea ok. I can see I can write off whatever you say in regards to the match.

I maybe a fan of the NFL but I'm not stupid enough to play it :D

And this is the best comeback u can come up with to an accurate statement about the cards? Did you even watch the game because the way you are typing, I doubt it.
You missed the point I was trying to make, and I saw the game.

I think my remark to AB says it all:p

So blame the players, not the ref.

agreed.

Also, I'm an intramural official and we are told to control the game by any means necessary (including ejecting players) Granted, I haven't officiated soccer but I do know the rules of soccer and if I was officiating that game, there wouldn't be any players left.

Yeah, he was a bit card happy, but the Portuguese were dirty. A decent referee would have given out over 10 yellows in that match. However, he lost control. One brawl is almost acceptable in a match as bad-tempered as this, but Ivanov should have stamped down on that straight away and made it clear he wouldn't accept any more. But for there to be two such brawls means that he had clearly lost control. The players didn't respect him in the slightest. It probably was the worst refereeing of the World Cup so far, but I've seen worse displays by refs.

It should never have even come to the first brawl.

/thread

Ah, you already saw it:p

I thought I was watching ice hockey...

I maybe a fan of the NFL but I'm not stupid enough to play it :D

And this is the best comeback u can come up with to an accurate statement about the cards? Did you even watch the game because the way you are typing, I doubt it.
For once I agree with you!

England will be happy, half the Portugal team on yellow so they can't afford to hack at the English team!

let's hope beckham still has his aim like last time ;)

*looks up on the sky*

England will be happy, half the Portugal team on yellow so they can't afford to hack at the English team!

Here in Brazil, the Portuguese are caricatured as being stupid, if there is any truth behind that, then being on a yellow card won't stop them.

It was like three teams trying to lose that match at one time. Netherlands vs Portugal vs FIFA

Here in Brazil, the Portuguese are caricatured as being stupid, if there is any truth behind that, then being on a yellow card won't stop them.

Ai é? Bem, já sei por que equipa eu não vou torcer ~.~

Ai é? Bem, já sei por que equipa eu não vou torcer ~.~

É mesmo. Mas eu tambem não torço por Brasil - sou inglês. Espero que não haver um semi Inglaterra contra Brasil, então estou torcendo por Ghana, Espanha e França :eek:

Ai é? Bem, já sei por que equipa eu não vou torcer ~.~

Quero registrar que não acho portugueses estúpidos. Sou brasileiro e torci por Portugal. Vosso hino tem estilo! :)

É mesmo. Mas eu tambem não torço por Brasil - sou inglês. Espero que não haver um semi Inglaterra contra Brasil, então estou torcendo por Ghana, Espanha e França :eek:

Vc é britânico? Vc fala português bem prá burro! O_O

Now the English translation please?

Vc é britânico? Vc fala português bem prá burro! O_O

Sei la como tá minha português. Sou professor de Inglês e tradutor, então não preciso falar, nem escrever, português muito bem. (Não falei nada de português antes de chegar no Brazil, quando eu já tinha 38 anos.)

I was only reporting on the stereotype - which you Heikoku, certainly know about.

Now the English translation please?

OK. Roughly

Portu Cale MK3 - "Really - well now I know which team I'm not supporting"

Me - "Yes really - But I don't support Brazil either - I'm English. I hope that there won't be an England vs Brazil semi so I am pulling for Ghana, Spain and France."

Heikoku - "I'd like it to be known that I don't think the Portuguese are stupid. I'm Brazilian and I support Portugal. Your national anthem has class."

Heiloku comments on my Portuguese which could mean that my Portuguese is stupid, or that portuguese is good for someone stupid - my failure to be sure simply proves his point(whichever it is). :(

Me - "I don't know about my Portuguese. I am an English teacher and translator, so I dont need to speak or write Portuguese very well. (I didn't speak any Portuguese before I arrived in Brazil, when I was already 38 years old)"

I hope that helps.

OK. Roughly

Portu Cale MK3 - "Really - well now I know which team I'm not supporting"

Me - "Yes really - But I don't support Brazil either - I'm English. I hope that there won't be an England vs Brazil semi so I am pulling for Ghana, Spain and France."

Heikoku - "I'd like it to be known that I don't think the Portuguese are stupid. I'm Brazilian and I support Portugal. Your national anthem has class."

Heiloku comments on my Portuguese which could mean that my Portuguese is stupid, or that portuguese is good for someone stupid - my failure to be sure simply proves his point(whichever it is). :(

Me - "I don't know about my Portuguese. I am an English teacher and translator, so I dont need to speak or write Portuguese very well. (I didn't speak any Portuguese before I arrived in Brazil, when I was already 38 years old)"

I hope that helps.

Thanks :)

Okay...intresting.

If i had actually been able to watch all 64 games of this World Cup as an American who has just been introduced to the game. i would never watch the sport ever ever again.
It( The referreing) has been a disgrace.

AB, "Bem para burro" means you speak Portuguese "pretty damn well", if you will... :p

"Prá burro" is an expression for "very" too...

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I'm sure you have similar expressions in English (Speaking English "bloody" well doesn't mean "falar inglês com sangue" ;) )