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If NationStates General got its biggest wish and every Muslim in the world were to suddenly drop dead, man woman and child, would there be world peace and everyone else get along in harmony just the way Gene Roddenberry pictured we would in the future?

If NationStates General got its biggest wish and every Muslim in the world were to suddenly drop dead, man woman and child, would there be world peace and everyone else get along in harmony just the way Gene Roddenberry pictured we would in the future?

No, I'd have to bate the head off the first smug bastard who said something about "Just goes to show Jesus is the saviour" or some such shite.

Be a lot of satisfied racists, I know that...






...Who would then go and find the next group to blame and try and wipe out. I'm guessing black people would be next...

Well first off, I object heartily to the implication that all of NSG wishes for genocide of the Muslim people.

Secondly, ff course not. To begin with, Muslims aren't all violent. In addition, violent Muslims are far from the only cause of violence in the world.

You've not been watching the Portugal vs. Holland match, have you? ;)

If NationStates General got its biggest wish and every Muslim in the world were to suddenly drop dead, man woman and child, would there be world peace and everyone else get along in harmony just the way Gene Roddenberry pictured we would in the future?

change that to " If every Islamic or other type radical hater where to suddenly drop dead...etc..." I would still say no. We would just give birth to new ones .

No way. There won't be world peace. Ever.

You've not been watching the Portugal vs. Holland match, have you? ;)

If all Portugese and Dutch were dead... ;)

No. Muslims are not the reason we don't have peace in the world. Humans are the reason for that. Humans have a tendency, like all animals, to fear the unknown and unfamiliar. Unfortunately, with us, unlike (at least most) other animals, fear rapidly grows into hate. As long as there are cultural differences there will be hate. And where this hate there can be no peace.

No. Muslims are not the reason we don't have peace in the world. Humans are the reason for that. Humans have a tendency, like all animals, to fear the unknown and unfamiliar. Unfortunately, with us, unlike (at least most) other animals, fear rapidly grows into hate. As long as there are cultural differences there will be hate. And where this hate there can be no peace.

"Fear leads to anger, and anger to hate, and hate leads to the dark side of the Force."

Just thought I'd throw that out there...

I see someone thinks so...:rolleyes:

There wil never be world peace because everyone it too different. Conflicting ideas lead to conflicts

"Fear leads to anger, and anger to hate, and hate leads to the dark side of the Force."

Just thought I'd throw that out there...

"Confusion leads to anxiety, anxiety leads to confusion, confusion leads to distraction. Tag, you're dead."

1. I love you!! Gene Roddenberry rocks.
2. No; look at Africa and its tribal warfare. Political boundaries cause too many grievances. Get rid of those and you might have peace there.
3. If you want something bad enough, you're probably willing to fight for it. World Peace can't happen.

If NationStates General got its biggest wish and every Muslim in the world were to suddenly drop dead, man woman and child, would there be world peace and everyone else get along in harmony just the way Gene Roddenberry pictured we would in the future?

Not quite yet... there would still be Christians.

If all religion were to suddenly die in the world (not the people themselves, just the concept), the world would definitely be a better place. Maybe not quite world peace, because there'd still be power and money to conquer for, but you'd lose at least half of the violence in the world today.

Why stop with Muslims or any religion for that matter? The only way to have guaranteed world peace is to get rid of all of humanity, which just isn't gonna happen.

Nope.

There won't be any World Peace untill the world is at war with another, completely different world... and even then it will be a tenuous peace.

Hmmm. Now that you mention it I don't recall seeing any Arabs in Starfleet...

Hmmm. Now that you mention it I don't recall seeing any Arabs in Starfleet...
No, there aren't. A lot of white people, three black dudes, two asians...that's from TOS, TNG, and DS9.

We could have a lack of official conflict at some point, but peace? Humans aren't even at peace with themselves! How can they expect to bring peace to others without seeking it for themselves?

Hmmm. Now that you mention it I don't recall seeing any Arabs in Starfleet...

Couldn't be the violence though. I mean, they've got a Klingon in Starfleet! A Klingon!

Oh, and Outcast Jesuits, you forgot a Russian. Not to mention all the aliens...

Couldn't be the violence though. I mean, they've got a Klingon in Starfleet! A Klingon!
Don't forget the lone Indian :D
And if you don't know who I'm talking about, may James T. Kirk have pity on you!!!

Couldn't be the violence though. I mean, they've got a Klingon in Starfleet! A Klingon!

Oh, and Outcast Jesuits, you forgot a Russian. Not to mention all the aliens...
Sorry, my bad...do the aliens count? They are not from this World of Peace.

Hmmm. Now that you mention it I don't recall seeing any Arabs in Starfleet...

Julian Bashir.

Don't forget the lone Indian :D
And if you don't know who I'm talking about, may James T. Kirk have pity on you!!!
J.T. Kirk is a middle-aged tubby dude. So scary :rolleyes: ...
Anyway, I'm a TNG fan.

Julian Bashir.
Yep, we lose...

The only time we will have peace is when the radioactive dust settles on the ground after a nuclear holocaust.
Until then hell no!

People would just find some other group to hate. Speaking of Star Fleet, remember the Star Trek episode where there were two guys with 1/2 a black face and 1/2 a white face? They hated each other because one had black on the left and white on the right and the other person was just the opposite.

If NationStates General got its biggest wish and every Muslim in the world were to suddenly drop dead, man woman and child, would there be world peace and everyone else get along in harmony just the way Gene Roddenberry pictured we would in the future?


No, Because their not the problem.

The only time we will have peace is when the radioactive dust settles on the ground after a nuclear holocaust.
Until then hell no!

Even then we won't have peace. Just extinction.

Even then we won't have peace. Just extinction.
Yay!!! Extinction rocks!!! Let the fishies evolve into a superspecies!!

No, of course not. That's a highly racist view.

And there will never be total world peace...Individual nations and alliances may push back their enemies with force of arms and win peace for a time. But they must still prepare for the day when that peace ends. That's reality, and we must deal with it.

No, there aren't. A lot of white people, three black dudes, two asians...that's from TOS, TNG, and DS9.
No - One of those black dudes was a vulcan - not a black. Come on - get it together.

Julian Bashir.

Oh come on. He may have a Middle Eastern name but he was no Arab. He had a british accent for gawds sake! That's like getting some guy named Fred to play the role of an Asian and saying asians are represented because the character is named "Chu Mai Yang"...

Sheesh!

Oh come on. He may have a Middle Eastern name but he was no Arab. He had a british accent for gawds sake! That's like getting some guy named Fred to play the role of an Asian and saying asians are represented because the character is named "Chu Mai Yang"...

Sheesh!

Hey, there's a guy named Fred on the Brazilian football team, does this make him not Brazilian? :p

No way. There won't be world peace. Ever.
Agreed. World peace is something that will never exist for humans or animals.

If NationStates General got its biggest wish and every Muslim in the world were to suddenly drop dead

Did I miss something?

The majority of the people on NS General are rather leftist/liberal and, thus, this would not be their biggest wish.

I mean ... feel free to do a poll on it, but I'm reasonably sure the "Kill all Muslims!" crowd is a very, very tiny minority.

Anyway, to answer the question: No.

Even if Muslims were the cause of all the world's problems, if all Muslims died, Islam would still exist. Someone would find a Qur'an and start it all over again.

If NationStates General got its biggest wish and every Muslim in the world were to suddenly drop dead, man woman and child, would there be world peace and everyone else get along in harmony just the way Gene Roddenberry pictured we would in the future?

As soon as we're all atheists, yes.

No - One of those black dudes was a vulcan - not a black. Come on - get it together.



Oh come on. He may have a Middle Eastern name but he was no Arab. He had a british accent for gawds sake! That's like getting some guy named Fred to play the role of an Asian and saying asians are represented because the character is named "Chu Mai Yang"...

Sheesh!
Not only is the character an Arab, so is the actor:

"Siddig El Fadil (born 21 November 1965) is a Sudanese-born British actor also known as Alexander Siddig."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Siddig

Be a lot of satisfied racists, I know that...

...Who would then go and find the next group to blame and try and wipe out. I'm guessing black people would be next...

Why do people, like you're doing here, always try to equate anti-Islamism to racism? Islam isn't a race. Its a religion that you get to pick.

Being against a philosophy or religion alone is never racism. And people have valid reasons for being against virtually every philosophy and religion out there.

I wish this were a public poll...

J.T. Kirk is a middle-aged tubby dude. So scary :rolleyes: ...
Anyway, I'm a TNG fan.
I was, of course, referring to KHAAAAAAAAAN!!! :D

as long as there is more than one person on this world, there will not be world peace.

even with one person there probably wouldnt be world peace. i fight with myself all the time

Humanity has proven itself to be rather efficient at killing each other, regardless of what religion, or lack of religion the killer may have. Eliminating Muslims would just make it so that we could really get our pillage on in the middle east.

I wish this were a public poll...

But then those 5 wouldn't have had the courage and conviction to post "Yes, killing all the sand niggers will bring world peace."

:D

Why do people, like you're doing here, always try to equate anti-Islamism to racism? Islam isn't a race. Its a religion that you get to pick.

Being against a philosophy or religion alone is never racism. And people have valid reasons for being against virtually every philosophy and religion out there.

That's because people are trying to equate Anti-Islamism to racism, which would kill off the Jihadist Borg Hivemind bogeyman the West thrives on. It's perfectably acceptable and even encouraged to equate Anti-Israelism or Anti-Kahanism as racism however.

But then those 5 wouldn't have had the courage and conviction to post "Yes, killing all the sand niggers will bring world peace."

:D
They have enough anonymity on the internet.

Well, since there were wars before Islam I would say no. Hell, there were wars before Christianity and Judaism, let alone Islam.

That's because people are trying to equate Anti-Islamism to racism, which would kill off the Jihadist Borg Hivemind bogeyman the West thrives on. It's perfectably acceptable and even encouraged to equate Anti-Israelism or Anti-Kahanism as racism however.

Kahanism is a political/social philosophy. Probably the only people you will hear attempting to equate that to racism are either those who are followers of Kahane or those who note that the anti-Kahanism is not a result of opposition to the philosophy, but a scapegoat for which to be anti-Semitic. Anti-Islamism can be a scapegoat for those who are anti-Arab as well, but I see this occuring far less than anti-Semitism desguised as anti-Israelism, etc. In fact, this is why there is a recognized "New Anti-Semitism", because anti-Semitism veiled as anti-Israelism, anti-Zionism, etc. occurs so often today that it becomes difficult to distinguish between legitimate anti-ibid and veiled anti-Semitism.

In any case, valid opposition to Islam is not racist, nor is valid opposition to Israel, Zionism, etc. However, these can all be used as scapegoats (and in the latter cases, frequently are), or politically correct outlets, for racism.

If NationStates General got its biggest wish and every Muslim in the world were to suddenly drop dead, man woman and child, would there be world peace and everyone else get along in harmony just the way Gene Roddenberry pictured we would in the future?

How on earth did you come to the assumption that the death of all Muslims is NSG's biggest wish? To say this is nothing short of idiotic slander.

why stop with muslims??

lets kill every last living thing on the planet...if you truly want world peace

Its interesting how many people accept almost unilaterally that ideological conflict automatically precludes the possibility of a peaceful existence.


I disagreed with my brother all the time as kids, but I didn't try to beat him up every time we disagreed. Yeah we fought as kids, but then we grew up and we stopped hitting each other instead lobbying for peaceful, if argumentative, solutions to our disagreements. Now this might have something to do with the fact that we were both trained in hand to hand combat, weapons trained, and knew the human anatomy well enough that a spirited attack from either side could lead to serious injury, or even death, and thus a peaceful solution was preferable to a hostile one because risk of injury was too great.

Be that as it may peaceful solutions are possible inspite of ideological differences.



Maybe all the world needs is for weapons and armies to get so dangerous that no one can afford to risk hostile action for fear of global consequences too dire to risk.


How's some anti-matter for you all? 5 grams worth and say good bye to a landmass the size of the UK... I suspect once that sort of thing hits the floor, possibly also involving space based weapons that the political situation will either stabilize or we will self-annihilate.

NT

If NationStates General got its biggest wish and every Muslim in the world were to suddenly drop dead, man woman and child, would there be world peace and everyone else get along in harmony just the way Gene Roddenberry pictured we would in the future?
NS biggest wish isn't that every Muslim drops dead. It is that every Muslim drops dead, plus every US citizen, every European, every Christian fundie, and a server that doesn't crash.

Sadly that last one will forever remain a dream.

Gauthier stop being dumb.

Fuck, fuck no.

Will there be world peace without Muslims?

Hmmm?

A short list of the "greatest" murders of the 20th century reveals that Muslims are not the world's biggest problem when it comes to a peaceful existence for most of the planets population.


61,911,000 people were murdered by the Soviet Union
38,702,000 by the Chinese communists
17,000,000 by the German Nazis
10,214,000 by the Chinese Nationalists
5,890,000 by the Japanese militarists during World War II
2,400,000 by the communist Khmer Rouge.


(Keep in mid that well over 100,000,000 people have been murdered by their governments since 1900, several times greater than the 35,654,000 battle-dead from all the foreign and domestic wars fought in these years, including World Wars I and II.)

The premise of this question is as flawed as it is racist.

[(Keep in mid that well over 100,000,000 people have been murdered by their governments since 1900, several times greater than the 35,654,000 battle-dead from all the foreign and domestic wars fought in these years, including World Wars I and II.)
Actually, that's just under 3 times. Not several.

Actually, that's just under 3 times. Not several.

You wasted a post to say that? Add it up and you will see that "well over" means more than three times.

Peace is a lie.

If it moves, kill it, if it doesn't, burn it. No mercy. No peace.

The premise of this question is as flawed as it is racist.

So is Islam a race, ethnicity, or religion? If I oppose nihilism, existentialism, buddhism, voodoo, or any other philosophy or religion, is that racist too? Or opposition to Islam is racist?

So is Islam a race, ethnicity, or religion? If I oppose nihilism, existentialism, buddhism, voodoo, or any other philosophy or religion, is that racist too? Or opposition to Islam is racist?

Perhaps racist is the wrong term. Pick another term that signified a prejudice against an entire group of people based upon a false stereotype of those people.

The point is the very question implies Muslims are the greatest threat to peace in the world, lumping over a billion Muslims into a single category. Yet, as I have shown, Muslims have not even come close to being the last century's greatest mass murderers.

If NationStates General got its biggest wish and every Muslim in the world were to suddenly drop dead, man woman and child, would there be world peace and everyone else get along in harmony just the way Gene Roddenberry pictured we would in the future?

World peace is possible - just not with human beings on it.

World peace is possible, but only when political differences and religion have died out. Aside from those the main obstacle to world peace is wankers, basically. the people who necessitate the police force in the first place, the kind of people who just want to fuck everyone up for the sake of it. People like the Janjaweed militia in sudan, and like muggers in our own countries. If everyone could just live their own life the best they can and not try to fuck up anyone else then we would have world peace. I try to do that, as I'm sure do most of you. If the police force disappeared then I would still be here doing the same thing. The kind of people who would immediately rush out and steal everything they could and kill everyone they could, they are the obstacle to world peace. bastards.

If NationStates General got its biggest wish and every Muslim in the world were to suddenly drop dead, man woman and child, would there be world peace and everyone else get along in harmony just the way Gene Roddenberry pictured we would in the future?


Why stop at Muslims?

'Give me head - not grief'.

Whatever faction fails to accept and submit to the Current World Order is to be turned into an Object Lesson.

6 votes for 'yes.' No posts arguing for 'yes.'

Cowardice and bigotry go hand in hand.

no. because bus is a warmongerer

If NationStates General got its biggest wish and every Muslim in the world were to suddenly drop dead, man woman and child, would there be world peace and everyone else get along in harmony just the way Gene Roddenberry pictured we would in the future?

No.

If we used every nuke in the world to bomb every major population center on Earth, and then dropped smallpox everywhere to kill off the survivors, there would be no humans left, and there would be world peace.

World peace is not possible, unless all are united as Communist:

"In a proper communist world there would be no war, because the whole world would be a union. You must not forget that communism has not been properly achived untill all the nations in the world are communistic, and fused together...."

World peace is not possible, unless all are united as Communist:

"In a proper communist world there would be no war, because the whole world would be a union. You must not forget that communism has not been properly achived untill all the nations in the world are communistic, and fused together...."

I get it, until the day comes when we are all stamped out alike like chicken nuggets at McDonald's....

World Peace will happen when we all join the Borg. There, let's all become cyborgs and abduct people, then we can be peaceful on our own planet.

World Peace will happen when we all join the Borg. There, let's all become cyborgs and abduct people, then we can be peaceful on our own planet.
I actually had a dream like that a couple of nights ago! It was rather cool being a Borg, by the way. Not at all what the Federation propaganda make it out to be.

I actually had a dream like that a couple of nights ago! It was rather cool being a Borg, by the way. Not at all what the Federation propaganda make it out to be.
Seriously, when my friends and I have drawing wars, I pull out the Borg and they lose no matter what. They get assimilated.