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In this news story, according to his lawyer, Saddam believes he will get the death penalty, and then the US will enlist his aid to help them get out of "their mess" in Iraq.

"Saddam even believes the United States might reinstall him as president of Iraq, al-Dulaimi told the Times."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060625/ts_nm/iraq_saddam_lawyer_dc_1

Difficult for me to believe Saddam thinks like this.

I don't think they will. If Saddam had been a bit more competent, they prolably would, but only if they had a large measure of control about his actions.

Saddam is crazier than 10 Tom Cruises.

Saddam is crazier than 10 Tom Cruises.

i don't think he is THAT bad :D

Saddam is crazier than 10 Tom Cruises.

Nah, nobody is that crazy. The two would probably get along just fine though. Imagine if Saddam converted to scientology?

Saddam is cwazy.

Nah, nobody is that crazy. The two would probably get along just fine though. Imagine if Saddam converted to scientology?

Saddam is a mean sonofabitch. Tom Cruise is just an actor playing the role of a loopy fruitcake. Unless he believes he is one that is :p

Either way, remembering his past, if Saddam did convert to scientology, 10 to 1 says that he'd work his way to the top and rename it Saddamology :p

The U.S. won't put Saddam back in power 'cause we'd look even more stupid than we do already. However, it occurs to me that the only type of government that is going to bring these Iraqi religious whackos under control is an iron fisted dictatorship of some kind. I see little evidence of the people of Iraq coming to any kind of a consensus for a democratic government.
The question is what kind of dictatorship is in our best interest, secular or religious fundamentalist?

The U.S. won't put Saddam back in power 'cause we'd look even more stupid than we do already. However, it occurs to me that the only type of government that is going to bring these Iraqi religious whackos under control is an iron fisted dictatorship of some kind. I see little evidence of the people of Iraq coming to any kind of a consensus for a democratic government.
The question is what kind of dictatorship is in our best interest, secular or religious fundamentalist.

Oh? Then I guess the voting process was an anomoly uh? I believe they do want democracy. Or a form of it.

You have to think, what would you say if you were Saddam?

Oh? Then I guess the voting process was an anomoly uh? I believe they do want democracy. Or a form of it.

My bad. The elections were a success. The people of Iraq have put in their own democratic government. An Iraqi military and police force has everything under control. We can leave now.

Oh? Then I guess the voting process was an anomoly uh? I believe they do want democracy. Or a form of it.
How is it there? In your fantasy world.

You have to think, what would you say if you were Saddam?

:eek: "I'm fu...."

My bad. The elections were a success. The people of Iraq have put in their own democratic government. An Iraqi military and police force has everything under control. We can leave now.

Umm yea...I never said things were peachy. I just said that they are beginning to vote.

Way to read things that I never said.

My bad. The elections were a success. The people of Iraq have put in their own democratic government. An Iraqi military and police force has everything under control. We can leave now.

Cynic! You did get half of it right. They are working on getting their military and police trained, then we can leave. So I guess we can say the job is ½ done.

I see them using him, but after some...modifications... they're losing and there is no hope with such a divided nation.

I see them using him, but after some...modifications... they're losing and there is no hope with such a divided nation.

Whose losing? The insurgency? Yep they are losing.

In this news story, according to his lawyer, Saddam believes he will get the death penalty, and then the US will enlist his aid to help them get out of "their mess" in Iraq.

"Saddam even believes the United States might reinstall him as president of Iraq, al-Dulaimi told the Times."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060625/ts_nm/iraq_saddam_lawyer_dc_1

Difficult for me to believe Saddam thinks like this.
Is it really? In the years before he was deposed, his mind had been turning into jelly. The guy is insane.

Cynic! You did get half of it right. They are working on getting their military and police trained, then we can leave. So I guess we can say the job is ½ done.

Good! We've a timetable now. Since we're half done we should be done in exactly the the amount of time we've been in there. See! Even people on opposite sides of the issue can come to an agreement.
Even though I thought this invasion was and is a distraction (putting it mildly) from the original and highly justifiable invasion of Afgahnistan and is an abuse of power by this president (another thread) we the people of the United States have elected this idiot to office TWICE and therefore bare responsibility to do the best we can to fix this mess we created. So I don't advocate just getting up and leaving.

Cynic! You did get half of it right. They are working on getting their military and police trained, then we can leave. So I guess we can say the job is ½ done.
Look at the results of Vietnamisation. I'm sure you don't really want Baghdad to be taken over by the Mullahs when you pull out. But it will happen, I'm 100% sure.

Either that, or Saddam gets back into power because the trial is a piece of shite and he can just claim diplomatic immunity over, and people would prefer his rule to what they have now.

Saddam is pretty messed up, he LOVES Doritos.

The U.S. won't put Saddam back in power 'cause we'd look even more stupid than we do already. However, it occurs to me that the only type of government that is going to bring these Iraqi religious whackos under control is an iron fisted dictatorship of some kind. I see little evidence of the people of Iraq coming to any kind of a consensus for a democratic government.
The question is what kind of dictatorship is in our best interest, secular or religious fundamentalist?

Uh-huh. And how would that address the causes of the insurgency and the seeds of extremism? What you seem to be suggesting is to just bandage over the wound and ignore the fact that it is rotten inside.

I see them using him, but after some...modifications... they're losing and there is no hope with such a divided nation.

Wow! What an optimist you are. :rolleyes:

Look at the results of Vietnamisation. I'm sure you don't really want Baghdad to be taken over by the Mullahs when you pull out. But it will happen, I'm 100% sure.

:rolleyes:

Either that, or Saddam gets back into power because the trial is a piece of shite and he can just claim diplomatic immunity over, and people would prefer his rule to what they have now.

He can't claim diplomatic Immunity for he is no longer in charge of the country nor a diplomat. Also, I do not believe the Shi'ites or the Kurds want him back in power and they comprise the majority of the nation.

:rolleyes:



He can't claim diplomatic Immunity for he is no longer in charge of the country nor a diplomat. Also, I do not believe the Shi'ites or the Kurds want him back in power and they comprise the majority of the nation.
Yeah, they prefer the fundamentalist dictatorship that will result from a sham of a democracy.

Either that, or Saddam gets back into power because the trial is a piece of shite and he can just claim diplomatic immunity over, and people would prefer his rule to what they have now.

I don't know, they looked pretty happy standing in long lines and holding up purple fingers. A lot happier than when Saddam was elected by 100% of the people. Oh, and the trial is being held under Iraq law by Iraq judges there is no "diplomatic immunity."

Whose losing? The insurgency? Yep they are losing.

If you define losing by bodycount, I'd say that the education system you were under is losing then. Either that or you went to the Genghis Khan Institute of Empire Building.

:p

If you define losing by bodycount, I'd say that the education system you were under is losing then. Either that or you went to the Genghis Khan Institute of Empire Building.

:p

:confused:

I can't see the US wanting to put him back in office. I think the Iraqi people were Saddamized for long enough.

:confused:

People who have defined victory by the bodycount in the past have almost always been those who considered wholesale slaughter as a viable, if not common, option. Genghis Khan was one of the more prolific users of this rather deplorable tactic.

The Final Solution made it unacceptable.

People who have defined victory by the bodycount in the past have almost always been those who considered wholesale slaughter as a viable, if not common, option. Genghis Khan was one of the more prolific users of this rather deplorable tactic.

The Final Solution made it unacceptable.

Well I'm not one of those.

I think Saddam finally reached the pinacle of insane, Kim Jong-Il Mode!

I think Saddam finally reached the pinacle of insane, Kim Jong-Il Mode!

Them two are gaining on PETA fast!

Heh. Saddam is like the ex-boyfriend who thinks he still has a chance of reuiniting with his former lover.

But as far as being a faithful lover goes, the USA is a narsty slut.

Them two are gaining on PETA fast!

I don't think anyone could reach that level by themselves. Truth is pretty far up there too.

...I can only say one thing to that.

lol

You have to think, what would you say if you were Saddam?
"I repent for my sins in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost"?

I hate Tyrants as much, if not more, than Fred Phelps hates gays. I think they should form the only exception to the prohibition of the Death Penalty, they will never understand that what they did was wrong and will continue to be a symbol for all that is wrong with humanity for as long as they continue to live. Governing is a sacred duty, and its abuse should be the most harshly punished act.

Split up Iraq. The state has no mandate to exist. Split it into the three main blocks, give each state an infrastructure, teach them to respect the democratic process, and then leave. After that they can do what they will to their heart's content, but it won't be civil war.

Saddam should be drawn and quartered

Look at the results of Vietnamisation. I'm sure you don't really want Baghdad to be taken over by the Mullahs when you pull out. But it will happen, I'm 100% sure.


Except Vietnamization worked until US stopped provided South Vietnam with air support and SF teams to call in air attacks and train the ARVN forces. Had the US continues supporting the South, they may very well have held off the North.