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I'm sure you have all probably seen this before, but there is a racist episode of bugs bunny about the Japanese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdpxFASXIZs&search=racist%20bugs%20bunny

The question is, are you appauled at this? Or do you think that it was just sharing the commen view of americans at that time, especially as it was at a time of war.

Edit: Just in case you don't realise, i'm not just talking about the charecature of the japanese man, also at the ice cream stand, bugs bunny makes racist comments to the japanese people. He calls them "slanted eyes", "flat face" etc...

I'm sure you have all probably seen this before, but there is a racist episode of bugs bunny about the Japanese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdpxFASXIZs&search=racist%20bugs%20bunny

The question is, are you appauled at this? Or do you think that it was just sharing the commen view of americans at that time, especially as it was at a time of war.

I'm not saying it was right, but everyone thought that. Our own government put Japanese Americans in concentration camps.

It was during WWII, its understadable

It was during WWII, its understadable

But do you not feel that the cartoon was subconciously brainwashing the kids into racism?

But do you not feel that the cartoon was subconciously brainwashing the kids into racism?

Everything about that time was brainwashing kids to dislike the Japanese.

But do you not feel that the cartoon was subconciously brainwashing the kids into racism?
Its propaganda

I think comparing the Warner Bros cartoons of the WWII period and translating it to now is a load of bollocks.

Just another example of people being offended for no bloody reason.

I think comparing the Warner Bros cartoons of the WWII period and translating it to now is a load of bollocks.

Just another example of people being offended for no bloody reason.
yeah

when taken into context, its completely understandable, cuz its propaganda

and its pointless to be offende by this

I think comparing the Warner Bros cartoons of the WWII period and translating it to now is a load of bollocks.

Just another example of people being offended for no bloody reason.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Ok, i guess this thread is a bit stupid. I thought someone might take another side to the argument. I was wrong.

But do you not feel that the cartoon was subconciously brainwashing the kids into racism?

"Subconsciously?" No. More like blatantly. :p But that was a different time, and we were facing an enemy that was hard to understand. Come to think of it, it's still a bit hard to figure out the japs sometimes, but they're alright in my book. :)

I'm sure you have all probably seen this before, but there is a racist episode of bugs bunny about the Japanese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdpxFASXIZs&search=racist%20bugs%20bunny

The question is, are you appauled at this? Or do you think that it was just sharing the commen view of americans at that time, especially as it was at a time of war.
It's more on the view during the war. consider, at the same time, all the cartoons depicting nazi germany.

and since most of the stuff BB pulls on the Japanese soldiers are stuff he also pulls on Yosemite Sam and Elmer J Fudd.... I don't view it as Rascist.

mainly because it's a morale booster for the adult citizens, not the kids. Cartoons back then were not for kids.

Did you know that there was a Bugs Bunny episode where Bugs impersonates Hitler to avoid a Nazi?

:) :p man i like the cartoons from WW2. Paranoid modern society calling it rascist...its freedom of speech to brainwash the childern. (but really i love these cartoons from WW2)

Obviously at the time this was considered humorous and normal, as there was a strong anti-Japanese sentiment in America. By todays standards, this episode would be appauling.

It's more on the view during the war. consider, at the same time, all the cartoons depicting nazi germany.

and since most of the stuff BB pulls on the Japanese soldiers are stuff he also pulls on Yosemite Sam and Elmer J Fudd.... I don't view it as Rascist.

mainly because it's a morale booster for the adult citizens, not the kids. Cartoons back then were not for kids.

But did you see the insults from the ice cream trucks?: "slantie eyes", "flat face" etc etc... But impart from that i agree with you mostly.

But did you see the insults from the ice cream trucks?: "slantie eyes", "flat face" etc etc... But impart from that i agree with you mostly.
and Nazies were called ratzis, Krauts, and other slang terms also. the fact is tho, that after the war, those stopped.

Allied forces probably were called similar things by both Germans and Japanese during those times as well.

But do you not feel that the cartoon was subconciously brainwashing the kids into racism?

No it was Brain washing to convince the kids to hate THE current ENEMY!

If you remember Disney covered the Germans in THEIR WWII cartoons. Why aren't you calling their cartoon's racist? Because the Germans were white or something?

I always thought elmer fudd was discrimiatory against stuttering middle aged hunters. But no-one listens to me;)

I am Japanese, the first guy was funny the rest was boring and just like every other cartoon they made.

No it was Brain washing to convince the kids to hate THE current ENEMY!

If you remember Disney covered the Germans in THEIR WWII cartoons. Why aren't you calling their cartoon's racist? Because the Germans were white or something?

I never actually saw those nazi episodes.

Southpark did the same thing with iraqis and osama bin laden. This is great. I do not see any problem with it then or now. Those sneaky dirty japs attacked pearl harbor pretty much unprovoked. They deserved everything they got from us. The only real shame is that we let the USSR get a piece of japan when they hardly did any fighting against the japs.

Southpark did the same thing with iraqis and osama bin laden. This is great. I do not see any problem with it then or now. Those sneaky dirty japs attacked pearl harbor pretty much unprovoked. They deserved everything they got from us. The only real shame is that we let the USSR get a piece of japan when they hardly did any fighting against the japs.


Your racism is showing.

I think comparing the Warner Bros cartoons of the WWII period and translating it to now is a load of bollocks.

Just another example of people being offended for no bloody reason.

My thoughts exactly. Bravo, old chap, bravo!

I never actually saw those nazi episodes.
They had Donald as a goosestepping brainless Bombmaker that would have to stop every 5 seconds to do the Nazi salute. After the war they tried to hide all evidence of the shows, same as WB did.

It was needed to dehumanize the enemy.

It worked.

Some saavy cartoon maker in America should make one for the GWOT...somewhat PCish, but not so PCish it loses it's effectiveness.

I'm sure you have all probably seen this before, but there is a racist episode of bugs bunny about the Japanese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdpxFASXIZs&search=racist%20bugs%20bunny

The question is, are you appauled at this? Or do you think that it was just sharing the commen view of americans at that time, especially as it was at a time of war.

Bugs bunny and the Japanese of the 1940's era is like the American Dad and AL Quaeda of 2006

It was funny back in the 40's as it is funny now in 2006:D

If you want racism, watch Mind of Mencia...that's some great stuff!!!

I love it when people discover these things. I've seen them before this, and honestly, it's part of war: dehumanizing the enemy. The Nazi's and Imperial Japanese made it easy to hate them, Concentration camps, Unit 731 in China, Rape of Nanking...

Oh well, it's all over now.

Yes, it's racist, and yes, it shares the common views of the time.

I am Japanese, the first guy was funny the rest was boring and just like every other cartoon they made.
Yeah, I don't know if any of you people have ever seen Bugs Bunny cartoons, but they are all like that.

Eh ... the one that makes fun of Arabs is better.

HASSAAAAAN CHOP!!

I found it rather funny. *Runs and hides behind anti-PC tank*

Meh, you got to put it in context. You can't take a cartoon from the 1940's and put it in today's society. I'm sure 40 years down the road, people will look at our cartoons concering Al Queida, Bin Laden etc. and think that we were racist too. But comon, we all laugh at those cartoons, I know you do, don't lie.

Eh, if you want "appalling," try this:


"We boiled the flesh off enemy skulls"

Japanese skulls were much-envied trophies among U.S. Marines in the Pacific theater during World War II. The practice of collecting them apparently began after the bloody conflict on Guadalcanal, when the troops set up the skulls as ornaments or totems atop poles as a type of warning. The Marines boiled the skulls and then used lye to remove any residual flesh so they would be suitable as souvenirs. U.S. sailors cleaned their trophy skulls by putting them in nets and dragging them behind their vessels. Winfield Townley Scott wrote a wartime poem, 'The U.S. Sailor with the Japanese Skull" that detailed the entire technique of preserving the headskull as a souvenir. In 1943 Life magazine published the picture of a U.S. sailor's girlfriend contemplating a Japanese skull sent to her as a gift - with a note written on the top of the skull. Referring to this practice, Edward L. Jones, a U.S. war correspondent in the Pacific wrote in the February 1946 Atlantic Magazine, "We boiled the flesh off enemy skulls to make table ornaments for sweethearts, or carved their bones into letter-openers." On occasion, these "Japanese trophy skulls" have confused police when they have turned up during murder investigations. It has been reported that when the remains of Japanese soldiers were repatriated from the Mariana Islands in 1984, sixty percent were missing their skulls.

Wartime racism is a scary, scary thing.

Eh, if you want "appalling," try this:



Wartime racism is a scary, scary thing.

Meh, in Vietnam people collect ears.

I am Chinese American, but I fear that when China goes to war with America, the Government would do the same as they did to the Japanese in WW2.

And China and USA has a very high chance in going to war.

Meh, in Vietnam people collect ears.


And Koreans enjoy collecting their ancestor's crumbled bones.

Meh, in Vietnam people collect ears.

......which would also be scary.

When you get to the point where you genuinely forget that the people you're fighting are still human beings, that's a problem. (Not that prejudice and dehumanization in general are remotely good, but thinking "Japanese people are evil enemies!" is still a big step up from "I think I'll boil them down and use their bones as stylish ashtrays!")

I am Chinese American, but I fear that when China goes to war with America, the Government would do the same as they did to the Japanese in WW2.

And China and USA has a very high chance in going to war.

What makes you think that is so likely?

In any case, China will BE America in 20 years, at the rate they're buying our products and accepting our business on their soil.

I'm going to raise some questions. I probably won’t wait around for the answers. (One of those days, one of those posts, one of those threads.)

1. Yes, it's propaganda, but is "smear" war propaganda really a necessary evil? Don't the actions of the enemy in a war (in the case of the Japanese, e.g.: Rape of Nanjing, kamikazes, etc.) give enough cause for a reason to fight? If "smear" propaganda is really deemed necessary, doesn't that mean the nation employing that propaganda hasn't properly made its case for battle?

2. I used the term "smear" propaganda. How, indeed, does one distinguish between valid, "proper" propaganda and vile, "smear" propaganda? Does the event of war destroy such a distinction? Do the deeds of the enemy debase our treatment and view of them? Does such a distinction even exist?

3. Note that in the anti-Nazi Bugs Bunny cartoons, there is less apparent racism toward the antagonist than in the Japanese ones. What does that entail?

My feeling on the cartoon: we took it out of context, from a time when, even in peacetime, racism and xenophobia were far more mainstream than they are now -- thence the difficulty I (and apparently, most other posters) have with "judging" the cartoon as we would if it had aired today.

I'm sure you have all probably seen this before, but there is a racist episode of bugs bunny about the Japanese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdpxFASXIZs&search=racist%20bugs%20bunny

The question is, are you appauled at this? Or do you think that it was just sharing the commen view of americans at that time, especially as it was at a time of war.
Intellectually, I understand it was meant as propaganda, and as such weigh it accordingly.

Emotionally, I couldn't get past the title before closing the tab.

Intellectually, I understand it was meant as propaganda, and as such weigh it accordingly.

Emotionally, I couldn't get past the title before closing the tab.

It took me a lot longer to close the tab, but it wasn't easy watching the Japanese being parodied that way. It was pretty awful.

As already mentioned, this was done in a time where propaganda was huge.
The caricartures are no worse than any done in any Bugs Bunny cartoon done in the 40s and 50s.
It's like saying Elmer Fudd depicts all white people.
And the humour in the cartoon was very typical of what goes on in any Bugs Bunny cartoon.

Anyway, it wasn't just Bugs that was getting in on the act. All rabbits were:
http://www.superdickery.com/images/propaganda/328_4_001.jpg

While we're on about propaganda cartoons, here's the best one of all time:
Der Fuehrer's Face (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5ZWvI-ByH8&mode=related&search=donald%20duck%20nazi)

Donald Duck won an Oscar for that.

Anyway, if you want racist caricartures, check out how bad Superman was:
http://www.superdickery.com/propaganda/1.html
Yay! Let's slap a Jap!

http://www.superdickery.com/images/dick/97_4_0000058.jpg

coolest cover of all time:
http://www.superdickery.com/images/propaganda/exciting35.jpg
Not just running them over with a steam roller (driven by a 10 yr old boy at that!), but shooting them as well. That's hard.

Even Dr Suess got in on the act:
http://www.superdickery.com/images/oneshot/21013acs.jpg

A few more:
http://www.superdickery.com/images/propaganda/americanairforces2.jpg

http://www.superdickery.com/images/propaganda/178_4_12.jpg

http://www.superdickery.com/images/propaganda/usmarines2.jpg

http://www.superdickery.com/images/propaganda/usmarines3.jpg

Most racist covers of all time:
http://www.superdickery.com/images/propaganda/249_4_023.jpg
http://www.superdickery.com/images/propaganda/yaaaa.jpg
Ain't they lovely depictions of blacks?
To make it even worse, apparently the black kid's name on the 2nd cover was Whitewash.

Everything about that time was brainwashing kids to dislike the Japanese.

The Japanese government at the time was killing civilians by the hundreds of thousands.

It's pretty understandable that people didn't like Japan and the Japanese, especially as America was at war with them.

But do you not feel that the cartoon was subconciously brainwashing the kids into racism?

lol and violence. racism and violence comes from tv shows

I'm sure you have all probably seen this before, but there is a racist episode of bugs bunny about the Japanese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdpxFASXIZs&search=racist%20bugs%20bunny

The question is, are you appauled at this? Or do you think that it was just sharing the commen view of americans at that time, especially as it was at a time of war.

It's propaganda. There are loads and loads of cartoons like this. Disney did a few, and I've seen some Popeye ones as well.

I liked it - some folks are too busy looking for an excuse to be offended. It was no more racist than Yosemite Sam.

Dude, if you look closely at the propaganda of the time, the Bugs Bunny one was mild. At least it had a sense of humor.

Some of the stuff I've come across is much worse, portraying Japanese as sub-human beasts, animal-men, slant-eyed, buck-toothed butchering rapists, and even making out that killing a Jap was less wrong than killing a dog. Seriously.

W have to take such things in their time. It's like criticizing Huckleberry Finn for using the word "******" - a basic misunderstanding of the time the book was written.

Much worse than these;

http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~bestor/US_anti-Japanese_propaganda_files/image007.jpg
http://webserve.govst.edu/users/ghrank/Assets/Images/enemyjap.gif

Pretty much the kind of thing I was thinking of.

I'm sure you have all probably seen this before, but there is a racist episode of bugs bunny about the Japanese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdpxFASXIZs&search=racist%20bugs%20bunny

The question is, are you appauled at this? Or do you think that it was just sharing the commen view of americans at that time, especially as it was at a time of war.
LOL! Good cartoon. Stop trying to apply so-called "modern" standards to 60-year-old wartime humor.

As already mentioned, this was done in a time where propaganda was huge.
The caricartures are no worse than any done in any Bugs Bunny cartoon done in the 40s and 50s.
It's like saying Elmer Fudd depicts all white people.
And the humour in the cartoon was very typical of what goes on in any Bugs Bunny cartoon.

Anyway, it wasn't just Bugs that was getting in on the act. All rabbits were:
http://www.superdickery.com/images/propaganda/328_4_001.jpg

While we're on about propaganda cartoons, here's the best one of all time:
Der Fuehrer's Face (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5ZWvI-ByH8&mode=related&search=donald%20duck%20nazi)

Donald Duck won an Oscar for that.

Anyway, if you want racist caricartures, check out how bad Superman was:
http://www.superdickery.com/propaganda/1.html
Yay! Let's slap a Jap!

http://www.superdickery.com/images/dick/97_4_0000058.jpg

coolest cover of all time:
http://www.superdickery.com/images/propaganda/exciting35.jpg
Not just running them over with a steam roller (driven by a 10 yr old boy at that!), but shooting them as well. That's hard.

Even Dr Suess got in on the act:
http://www.superdickery.com/images/oneshot/21013acs.jpg

A few more:
http://www.superdickery.com/images/propaganda/americanairforces2.jpg

http://www.superdickery.com/images/propaganda/178_4_12.jpg

http://www.superdickery.com/images/propaganda/usmarines2.jpg

http://www.superdickery.com/images/propaganda/usmarines3.jpg

Most racist covers of all time:
http://www.superdickery.com/images/propaganda/249_4_023.jpg
http://www.superdickery.com/images/propaganda/yaaaa.jpg
Ain't they lovely depictions of blacks?
To make it even worse, apparently the black kid's name on the 2nd cover was Whitewash.
Yeah...do you enjoy spending your time on this?

I'm sure you have all probably seen this before, but there is a racist episode of bugs bunny about the Japanese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdpxFASXIZs&search=racist%20bugs%20bunny

The question is, are you appauled at this? Or do you think that it was just sharing the commen view of americans at that time, especially as it was at a time of war.

You think this is bad? You ever see how the old WB cartoons portrayed blacks?

Meh, most cartoons from that era are really racist. Nobody remembers the old ones with cartoonish black people loafing around doing stupid things like putting their heads in lion cages and screwing up every time they try and get to work?

But then, growing up, I didn't think anything of them. Most of my friends as a young kid weren't your average white folk, and I never made the Black People in Cartoon silly = Black People silly connection.

I think I recall that Bugs Bunny cartoon, anyway. And there's a good amount that make fun of Hitler and the Germans, as well.

LOL! Good cartoon. Stop trying to apply so-called "modern" standards to 60-year-old wartime humor.

Racial cartoons were hilarious.
Fuck political correctness, the world is boring now.

I'm sorry, but that was one of the funniest bugs bunny cartoons I've ever seen!
Now as to the idea we were brainwashing our kids to hate Japanese,
What makes you so sure they werent doing the same things about us. as far I can remember they portrayed Americans as devil like creatures with green skin and tails, who like to torture and eat children. By comparison of what both side were doing, the Japanese were by far the most brutal and dishonerable in their fighting ways, especially the treatment of POWs and civilians in the areas they captured. If I remember correctly, rape, murder, torture, pillage, rampage was the order of the day. So stop boo-hooing how we were portraying them then, cause people saw what they were doing.
Of course today things have completely reversed with what was going on then, but remember what time period it was in!

If someone did a cartoon like that today, well, yeah, then it would be pretty distastful and I'd be against it completly!

I'm sorry, but that was one of the funniest bugs bunny cartoons I've ever seen!
Now as to the idea we were brainwashing our kids to hate Japanese,
What makes you so sure they werent doing the same things about us. as far I can remember they portrayed Americans as devil like creatures with green skin and tails, who like to torture and eat children. By comparison of what both side were doing, the Japanese were by far the most brutal and dishonerable in their fighting ways, especially the treatment of POWs and civilians in the areas they captured. If I remember correctly, rape, murder, torture, pillage, rampage was the order of the day. So stop boo-hooing how we were portraying them then, cause people saw what they were doing.
Of course today things have completely reversed with what was going on then, but remember what time period it was in!

If someone did a cartoon like that today, well, yeah, then it would be pretty distastful and I'd be against it completly!

Since when exactly were Japanese more brutal than Americans?
The American propaganda machine must work well for you to believe that.

Since when exactly were Japanese more brutal than Americans?
The American propaganda machine must work well for you to believe that.

Whilst the US forces weren't exactly humane in the Pacific, the Japanese did have the edge on outright brutality and inhumane stuff. Their work camps were godawful - the British & Commonwealth POWs building the bridge over the River Kwai can attest to that, as can other POWs captured by the Japanese. Plus things like the Rape of Nanking and Singapore were just as bad.

Now, the US forces were no angels in combat and dealing with Japanese POWs and soldiers, but the Japanese were worse in that department.

Since when exactly were Japanese more brutal than Americans?
The American propaganda machine must work well for you to believe that.
Ok
here goes.

Torture and mass murder of allied POWs in camps.
repeated Rape and mass murder of chinese civilians 260,000.
Beheadings of POWs, using POWs as target practice,
bombing Hospital Ships that have HUGE red crosses marked on them,
preparing to use biological warfare against the US and activly engaging
in chemical and biological warfare in China, sending fire bombs by balloon
to atack mainland USA, starvation, kamikazis, experimenting on POWs and civilains with biological and chemical tests, famine, looting, cannibalism, the list goes on.
Go read "Flyboys" you will see what I am talking about. No amount of American propaganda there, just cold hard facts, even admitted by the Japanese after the war.

I'm not sure how this is racist at all other than the caracature of the Japanese soldier, but they do that with white people too. You think all white people look like Elmer Fudd and like to shoot helpless animals for no reason? No, it's a joke. Take it like a bitch.

by no means do I say our soldiers were angels either.
But, in fighting with a savage enemy, they had to fight the same way to win.

Personally, I feel it balances out with Bugs Bunny mocking the hillbillies.

And the ducks. Bugs Bunny is racist (speciesist) towards ducks.

Well, if it's any consolation, cosmic Karma seems to have sided with the Japanese. How much more successful has Pokemon been than the Looney Tunes franchise, do you reckon?

Since when exactly were Japanese more brutal than Americans?
The American propaganda machine must work well for you to believe that.
The Japanese made it standard procedure to kill civilians and POWs in a great many places. If you had ever read anything about the rape of Nanking or the Battann death march, you wouldn't be making those kinds of inane assertions.

Well, if it's any consolation, cosmic Karma seems to have sided with the Japanese. How much more successful has Pokemon been than the Looney Tunes franchise, do you reckon?

Not even close. The Looney Toons franchise has been around for over 60 years. It's been socially relevant most of that time. It spawned "Tiny Toons Adventures" and other successful cartoon spinoffs, plus it enjoyed equal billing as a franchise in "Who Framed Roger Rabbit." Commercially, WB Looney Tune products have made tens of billions of dollars and the chain of WB Studio Stores profits rival the DisneyStore and enjoys worldwide commercial viability to a mass audience. Pokemon is a very successful niche product that Hasbro has made very nice profits on in the short term. Until Pokemon has an over 60 year track record of commercial success, I won't even put it in the same league as WB Looney Tunes products.

Here, here!!!!
Pokemon sucks a$$!

I'm sure you have all probably seen this before, but there is a racist episode of bugs bunny about the Japanese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdpxFASXIZs&search=racist%20bugs%20bunny

The question is, are you appauled at this? Or do you think that it was just sharing the commen view of americans at that time, especially as it was at a time of war.

Put the cartoon in context. It was made for propaganda purposes during WWII as were a lot of movies by all sides. :rolleyes:

Here, here!!!!
Pokemon sucks a$$!
:fluffle:

Not even close. The Looney Toons franchise has been around for over 60 years. It's been socially relevant most of that time. It spawned "Tiny Toons Adventures" and other successful cartoon spinoffs, plus it enjoyed equal billing as a franchise in "Who Framed Roger Rabbit." Commercially, WB Looney Tune products have made tens of billions of dollars and the chain of WB Studio Stores profits rival the DisneyStore and enjoys worldwide commercial viability to a mass audience. Pokemon is a very successful niche product that Hasbro has made very nice profits on in the short term. Until Pokemon has an over 60 year track record of commercial success, I won't even put it in the same league as WB Looney Tunes products.
In the 10 years since its inception, the Pokemon franchise has made over $25 billion; hence why I pointed to them as my example. I don't think even the Looney Toons can claim that degree of success within that space of time.

Perhaps the more damaging effect the series has had, however, has been to give Japanese animation an inroute into the Saturday morning kids shows. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems as though the realm of the kid's cartoon belongs definitively to the Japanese camp.

I've made an edit to the origanal post, just to clear some things up.

Put the cartoon in context. It was made for propaganda purposes during WWII as were a lot of movies by all sides. :rolleyes:

Thats what i said.

The Japanese made it standard procedure to kill civilians and POWs in a great many places. If you had ever read anything about the rape of Nanking or the Battann death march, you wouldn't be making those kinds of inane assertions.

I never said Japanese didn't commit horrible things, I said that America did things just as bad. I'm not all read up on the horrors of American soldiers during WW2 but from another time period;
Vietnam.
Agent Orange.
Remember, the chemical that is still being passed down to babies in Vietnam giving them horrible mutations to this very day?

please dont bring Vietnam into this.
We were talking about WWII.

please dont bring Vietnam into this.
We were talking about WWII.

Okay.

Hiroshima.

Okay.

Hiroshima.

If I remember correctly
70,000 killed. How many more would have died if an Allied invasion
of the Japanese mainland occured? at least 5 times that amount
on both sides.
Japan's rape of Nanking and the human slaughterfest of Chinese civilains after the Doolittle raid was unbelievable. I dont recall US soldiers massivly slaughtering Japanese civilains or soldiers after capturing them. They were treated way more humanely than our pows were under them.
And yes, the Firebombing of Tokyo was extreme. I will not deny that.

Okay.

Hiroshima.

Hiroshima and Nagaski were military targets, albeit military targets that happened to have cities and hundreds of thousands of people around them. The civilians and POWs executed by the Japanese, along with acts such as the Bataan Death March and the Rape of Nankin, were not military targets. Whilst the two atomic-bomb attacks were by no means a good thing, the Japanese were much worse; Nagasaki and Hiroshima arguably saved millions more lives that would have participated in Operation OLYMPIC.

I'm not saying it's wonderful. But considering the time period, it's expected. It's not THAT bad. It makes me wonder what shows like "Family Guy" and "Futurama" and "South Park" will make future generations think..

If I remember correctly
70,000 killed. How many more would have died if an Allied invasion
of the Japanese mainland occured? at least 5 times that amount
on both sides.
Japan's rape of Nanking and the human slaughterfest of Chinese civilains after the Doolittle raid was unbelievable. I dont recall US soldiers massivly slaughtering Japanese civilains or soldiers after capturing them. They were treated way more humanely than our pows were under them.
And yes, the Firebombing of Tokyo was extreme. I will not deny that.

80,000 people died initially.
Then the radiation hit, add on another 60,000 people

Hibakusha (被爆者, Hibakusha?) is the term widely used in Japan referring to victims of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Japanese word translates literally to "explosion-affected people." As of March, 2005, there were 266,598 hibakusha certified by the Japanese government.[1] Almost all live in Japan, but several thousand bomb survivors live in Korea and elsewhere.

once agian, if you want numbers of people killed in atrocitties commited by both sides, Japan would sink under the numbers. Sorry but its true.
Killing 80,000 civilians and soldiers with one bomb is pretty bad. But killing 300,000 innocent civilans with a bayonet, sword, or fire or whatever seems like barbarianism to me. Not to mention the raping.

It is propaganda and, no doubt, the Japanese had a similar style to theirs, appart from it had a go at the americans.

once agian, if you want numbers of people killed in atrocitties commited by both sides, Japan would sink under the numbers. Sorry but its true.
Killing 80,000 civilians and soldiers with one bomb is pretty bad. But killing 300,000 innocent civilans with a bayonet, sword, or fire or whatever seems like barbarianism to me. Not to mention the raping.

Sorry but I'd rather be shot in the head than slowly die of radiation poisoning.

at the time, scientists didnt fully comprehend the long term effects of radiation.
I'd rather die of radiation than get sliced up bit by bit by a sword.
Or getting gutted alive and having my liver pulled out and eaten by some Japanese officer.

Sorry but I'd rather be shot in the head than slowly die of radiation poisoning.

I still fail to see how you can judge that Hiroshima and Nagasaki - whilst undoubtedly terrible acts - can be equal or even worse to the collective actions of the Japanese military and government during the 12 year period that their actions were conducted.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military targets, and devices that, although terrible, arguably stopped a slaughter of a far greater magnitude that would have occured had the Japanese government not surrendered. The Rape of Nankin, the Bataan Death March, the pillaging and raping of Singapore, the execution of POWs and civilians - these were not military targets.

I still fail to see how you can judge that Hiroshima and Nagasaki - whilst undoubtedly terrible acts - can be equal or even worse to the collective actions of the Japanese military and government during the 12 year period that their actions were conducted.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military targets, and devices that, although terrible, arguably stopped a slaughter of a far greater magnitude that would have occured had the Japanese government not surrendered. The Rape of Nankin, the Bataan Death March, the pillaging and raping of Singapore, the execution of POWs and civilians - these were not military targets.

The fact remains that this 'military target' was an entire city.

The fact remains that this 'military target' was an entire city.

They were, however, military targets primarily, housing barracks and docks still being used for military purposes. The other incidents I have listed were decidely not miltary targets, and caused far, far more deaths, whilst the two bombs ultimately saved far more lives than they killed.

The fact remains that this 'military target' was an entire city.
next time they better learn not to build military factories and military bases smack dab in the middle of a housing complex.
Once again, I almost gagged at the atrocites done by Japanese officers and soldiers. In 12 years of fighting, the Japanese by far did the worst in terms of atrocites. I dont seem to recall the US using chemical and biological warfare against the germans or Japanese. Not even against the civilians. Or horrible medical experiments on Japanese or German soldiers and civilians. I'm sorry, but its true. Japan commited a lot of atrocities during WWII. More than the US during that campaign. Much, much, much, much MUCH More than the US.

They were, however, military targets primarily, housing barracks and docks still being used for military purposes. The other incidents I have listed were decidely not miltary targets, and caused far, far more deaths, whilst the two bombs ultimately saved far more lives than they killed.

I think we are becoming too jaded about this affair.
Statistically speaking one would be worse than the other but both are equally horrible for the victims.

In the end yes thats true.
But there is no denying the largest amount of suffering that
was caused by Japan during this time.

I think we are becoming too jaded about this affair.
Statistically speaking one would be worse than the other but both are equally horrible for the victims.

I'm not doubting that for a second. Merely stating that, by sheer number of victims and incidents, the Japanese were far worse. They were responsible for more atrocities and more deaths than US forces. The fact that the A-Bombs can be seen to have saved more lives than they killed merely reinforces this point.

Can we get back on topic? Namely the fact that there was a cartoon during WW2 time censored because it contained a reference to a weapon that could destroy an entire island. Cartoons aren't as cuddly as you'd like to think, even before South Park.

wait, Ithough it was banned because it was offensive

But do you not feel that the cartoon was subconciously brainwashing the kids into racism?

There is no subconscious about it. And there is a reason it has not been shown for over 60 years.

This is a non-issue.

There is no subconscious about it. And there is a reason it has not been shown for over 60 years.

This is a non-issue.


Too funny, almost as funny as Arab cartoons lampooning Christ or the Jews.

There is no subconscious about it. And there is a reason it has not been shown for over 60 years.

This is a non-issue.
I haven't clicked to see this cartoon, but I remember in my childhood seeing several cartoons, Warner Brothers and others that had characatures of Japanese, Chinese, and blacks (African American and African African...). It wasn't until recently that these cartoons have been censored.

As a historical record they have value, but there really isn't much of a reason to show them outside that context.

So, cartoons are mean and war is bad. Seems to be the discussion...

I've never met a talking rabbit who wasn't a goddam racist.

I've never met a talking rabbit who wasn't a goddam racist.
My childhood bunny did seem to hate everyone but me. Who knows why.

In the 10 years since its inception, the Pokemon franchise has made over $25 billion; hence why I pointed to them as my example. I don't think even the Looney Toons can claim that degree of success within that space of time.

How can it? The economy was different 60+ years ago. You did not have franchises making 25 billion dollars over a ten year period because the economy was not the same. Economic considerations aside, Looney Tunes was just as successful at it's inception and has lasted 6 times longer as a commercially viable franchise. I simply cannot imagine Pokemon being commercially viable ten years from now, much less sixty years from now.

Yeah...do you enjoy spending your time on this?
How could you tell?

there was lots of anti-japenese sentiment when it was made.

Mild for the time, and understandable considering the US was commited to a total war that was going to last for a very, very long time.

Still, I was wincing when I watched that, quite possibly because I was watching it while in Japan with my Japanese fiancee in the next room.

OMG is youtube the new 'paint thing that people loved over a year ago'?

OMG is youtube the new 'paint thing that people loved over a year ago'?

Whats 'paint?

Doesn't bother me ... I like BatFink with his Asian sidekick. :p

Well, I personally don't care much for Japan, given the things it did in WWII and how it continues to deny them, it's reactionary and bigoted culture, etc., but these cartoons are still pretty stupid.

My Galileo, are we still discussing this?

Whats 'paint?
FIIK

I'm sure you have all probably seen this before, but there is a racist episode of bugs bunny about the Japanese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdpxFASXIZs&search=racist%20bugs%20bunny

The question is, are you appauled at this? Or do you think that it was just sharing the commen view of americans at that time, especially as it was at a time of war.

Edit: Just in case you don't realise, i'm not just talking about the charecature of the japanese man, also at the ice cream stand, bugs bunny makes racist comments to the japanese people. He calls them "slanted eyes", "flat face" etc...

Was anyone appauled by the South Park episode where Cartman killed Bin Laden?

That episode was made during WWII. We were at war with them. Our cartoons made fun of them. BTW, there's a similar one with Popeye.

It was just Propaganda, just like this BB episode:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhhS2osXLeM

mind you, this one is pretty funny, especially the end.

I'm sure you have all probably seen this before, but there is a racist episode of bugs bunny about the Japanese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdpxFASXIZs&search=racist%20bugs%20bunny

The question is, are you appauled at this? Or do you think that it was just sharing the commen view of americans at that time, especially as it was at a time of war.

Edit: Just in case you don't realise, i'm not just talking about the charecature of the japanese man, also at the ice cream stand, bugs bunny makes racist comments to the japanese people. He calls them "slanted eyes", "flat face" etc...
Don't forget-Tinky Winky from the Teletubbies is GAY.