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German is defined as people with german citizenship. Following statistics dont include immigrants without german citizenship residing in germany:

population with migratory background:
27.2% of those below age 25
21.5% of the West German population
18.6% of the whole German population
5.2% of the East German population

http://www.ftd.de/politik/deutschland/80285.html

This one is english but dont include all statistics:
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2046121,00.html

The rate of immigration seems to be very fast. More than 1/3 of population isnt ethnic german but the mass immigration started in the 1960's.

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9772/014088914006aw.jpg
If current trends continue (low native birthrates, mass immigration, high non native birthrates) people with migratory background will comprimise 2/3 of population within 40 years or less.

So the dicussion: Is this good or bad, why and why not? Considering many 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants dont integrate well, will the current (or future) immigrants integrate before germany looses it's german majority? What will the the german culture be like within 50 years? Things like that...Diskuss....

Edit:
What A German Politician of Turkish Descent Thinks About This Trends:

http://www.politikforum.de/forum/showthread.php?threadid=64023

Basically he says by 2100, there will be more turks than germans in germany. And by out reproducing them, they (turks) will accomplish what the ottoman armies sieging Vienna couldnt.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/gm.html#People



Ethnic groups:
German 91.5%, Turkish 2.4%, other 6.1% (made up largely of Greek, Italian, Polish, Russian, Serbo-Croatian, Spanish)


Seems Germany is rather German to me...Or is this wrong?

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo.

I'm sorely tempted to do a google image search for one of those "Oh no, not this shit again" pics. :rolleyes:

Really, what is it with you people that makes you think you always have to jump up and defend anything "German" (or any other "tall, blond, nordic" nationality)?

Could you please leave us out of your racist arguments for a change?

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/gm.html#People



Ethnic groups:
German 91.5%, Turkish 2.4%, other 6.1% (made up largely of Greek, Italian, Polish, Russian, Serbo-Croatian, Spanish)


Seems Germany is rather German to me...Or is this wrong?

The statistics I gave is the statistics of that 91.5% segment. Anyone with German citizenship is considered german by the German Statistics Agency. To summarise, those CIA statistics arent based on ethnicity...

Not again - I'm gonna promise myself to not feed the Troll of Fjordland.

kinda sad, you don't want to just end up a second rate America

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo.

I'm sorely tempted to do a google image search for one of those "Oh no, not this shit again" pics. :rolleyes:

Really, what is it with you people that makes you think you always have to jump up and defend anything "German" (or any other "tall, blond, nordic" nationality)?

Could you please leave us out of your racist arguments for a change?

You can use the ignore option or not read my threads. You yourself have the power to be left alone....

@ ny nordland:

i'm german. and, believe me: your statistics are bullshit.
there is no "danger" of germany dying out! :rolleyes:

Increased immigration is a good thing for Germany; diversity can't hurt a country unless the country is filled with idiots.

@ ny nordland:

i'm german. and, believe me: your statistics are bullshit.
there is no "danger" of germany dying out! :rolleyes:

Use the links, search google. Those are correct statistics...
You must be either living in East Germany or very blind...

i'm nor eastern not blind, but i got news for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Germany#Ethnic_groups


so... got it?

Why germany?:confused:
Every country has a substantial immigrant background and present population... is this a 'all Germans are Nazis thing'?

Basically he says by 2100, there will be more turks than germans in germany. And by out reproducing them, they (turks) will accomplish what the ottoman armies sieging Vienna couldnt.

I guess Mexico did win back Texas and Flordia then.

Liasia']Why germany?:confused:
Every country has a substantial immigrant background and present population... is this a 'all Germans are Nazis thing'?
I don't think so. You will notice that it's never a German starting these threads.

To me, it always feels like someone wanting to save the glorious Aryan Fatherland (if only in spirit) from the invading hordes of racial and cultural pollutants.

It's like we have to stand in as a blank screen for anything they want to project on us.

I don't think so. You will notice that it's never a German starting these threads.

To me, it always feels like someone wanting to save the glorious Aryan Fatherland (if only in spirit) from the invading hordes of racial and cultural pollutants.

It's like we have to stand in as a blank screen for anything they want to project on us.
But the Aryan's themselves were immigrants! Ah the hypocracy *head explodes*

Liasia']Why germany?:confused:
Every country has a substantial immigrant background and present population... is this a 'all Germans are Nazis thing'?
I suspect it is. Many racialists and racists have this fascination with the Germans, perhaps because they think that at some point the Germans stood up and fought for the white people against all the dirty brownies...
But just as WYTYG said - why can't they leave us out of it for a change? :(

As for the thread...meh. The sooner, the better. Because that'll make you racialists shut up quick.

i'm nor eastern not blind, but i got news for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Germany#Ethnic_groups


so... got it?

LOL. You got no idea of the difference between nationality and ethnicity, have you? If you cant read just a few posts above, here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11229786&postcount=4

I suspect it is. Many racialists and racists have this fascination with the Germans, perhaps because they think that at some point the Germans stood up and fought for the white people against all the dirty brownies...
But just as WYTYG said - why can't they leave us out of it for a change? :(

As for the thread...meh. The sooner, the better. Because that'll make you racialists shut up quick.

Typical strawmen. Typical "PC" response. You suspect I support Nazis and that's why I created this thread and then you argue based on that misrepresantation.
Remember, Nazis were pro-immigrant. They brought millions of slave labour. Of course "PC" people like you and capitalist bosses only bring cheap labour nowadays.....

Typical strawmen. Typical "PC" response. You suspect I support Nazis and that's why I created this thread and then you argue based on that misrepresantation.
Remember, Nazis were pro-immigrant. They brought millions of slave labour. Of course "PC" people like you and capitalist bosses only bring cheap labour nowadays.....
I'm sorry, what? *laughs*

Liasia']I'm sorry, what? *laughs*

If they were anti-immigrant, why would they let/force millions of slave labour(non german) into germany? If you are going to laugh at something, try to be at least getting SOME grip on the subject. The fact that you laughed makes you look even more ignorant.

If they were anti-immigrant, why would they let/force millions of slave labour(non german) into germany?
Um, the same reason countless anti-immigrant societies have brought in slaves and forced-laborers from other countries. Immigration =/= imported slave labor. Immigration is to imported slave labor as consentual sex is to rape.

If they were anti-immigrant, why would they let/force millions of slave labour(non german) into germany? If you are going to laugh at something, try to be at least getting SOME grip on the subject. The fact that you laughed makes you look even more ignorant.
They didn't exactly treat the immigrants well, did they? The Nazi's weren't concerned too much about ideology as much as efficiency (ironic when you consider how inefficient the nation was), adn there's nothing like free labour to prop up a struggling economy. Jeez.. being called ignorant by a racist who thinks fascists are pro-immigrant- a new low:(

If they were anti-immigrant, why would they let/force millions of slave labour(non german) into germany? If you are going to laugh at something, try to be at least getting SOME grip on the subject. The fact that you laughed makes you look even more ignorant.


They did it because they needed cheap labor, and they also needed them to do their human experimentations on.

They did it because they needed cheap labor, and they also needed them to do their human experimentations on.
And now they do it out of the goodness of their hearts. :)

Liasia']Jeez.. being called ignorant by a racist who thinks fascists are pro-immigrant- a new low:(
Hah, I'd love to sig that! But it'd have to be complete with the sad face, and that one looks so sad that it would drag me down every time I posted (whereas now it only drags other people down when I post :p). Eh, there'll always be a next time, at least that much is certain.

Um, the same reason countless anti-immigrant societies have brought in slaves and forced-laborers from other countries. Immigration =/= imported slave labor. Immigration is to imported slave labor as consentual sex is to rape.

Slave labour is given food and shelter. Modern immigrants (most of them) are given low amounts of money so they could get food and shelter. Why germany imports foreign workers when there is 10% unemployement already? Because natives get welfare and dont want to do dirty jobs that immigrants would do? Not very different than slavery. Besides, since you like dictionary descriptions:

immigrate
One entry found for immigrate.
Main Entry: im·mi·grate
Pronunciation: 'i-m&-"grAt
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -grat·ed; -grat·ing
Etymology: Latin immigratus, past participle of immigrare to remove, go in, from in- + migrare to migrate
intransitive senses : to enter and usually become established; especially : to come into a country of which one is not a native for permanent residence
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/immigrates

Dont slave labour enter a country which they arent native to?

Hah, I'd love to sig that! But it'd have to be complete with the sad face, and that one looks so sad that it would drag me down every time I posted (whereas now it only drags other people down when I post :p). Eh, there'll always be a next time, at least that much is certain.
...as long as NY nordland keeps running into walls and then posting, yes.

Yeah, but you seem to be missing the connection that immigrants are here by their own free will, but the victims of slavery tend to have been taken or outright stolen from their homes.

Liasia']They didn't exactly treat the immigrants well, did they? The Nazi's weren't concerned too much about ideology as much as efficiency (ironic when you consider how inefficient the nation was), adn there's nothing like free labour to prop up a struggling economy. Jeez.. being called ignorant by a racist who thinks fascists are pro-immigrant- a new low:(

I didnt say fascists are pro-immigrant, I said nazis were. Misquoting simple posts, you are sinking even lower. Next time, use a dictionary so you'd know what immigration means...

Remember, Nazis were pro-immigrant. They brought millions of slave labour.


That's dumber than all my posts put together since I've been on the interweb.

That's dumber than all my posts put together since I've been on the interweb.
The way he defined it though would render it correct.

Yeah, but you seem to be missing the connection that immigrants are here by their own free will, but the victims of slavery tend to have been taken or outright stolen from their homes.

Immigrants come here and there because they are starving. Not exactly free will...

Immigrants come here and there because they are starving. Not exactly free will...
Economic necessity. They have the option not to emigrate and to toil though. It is their choice, hence their will. Not that they would fare much better without welfare. But in that case, who cares? No one deserves welfare to begin with. No one.

Liasia']...as long as NY nordland keeps running into walls and then posting, yes.

That's dumber than all my posts put together since I've been on the interweb.

Ignorant #1, meet ignorant #2. At your first date, I will give you a dictionary, for free! But that shouldnt stop you saying stupid things to each other while acting smart. You 2 are the perfect match!! *enter matchmaker music*

I didnt say fascists are pro-immigrant, I said nazis were. Misquoting simple posts, you are sinking even lower. Next time, use a dictionary so you'd know what immigration means...
Yes dear, but Nazi's *were* Fascists. Besides both of them were anti-foreigner's and anti-immigration (although not anti-explotation of minorities through force to support your own warmongering economy, which is a different thing) so the distinction is a bit pointless.

Ignorant #1, meet ignorant #2. At your first date, I will give you a dictionary, for free! But that shouldnt stop you saying stupid things to each other while acting smart. You 2 are the perfect match!! *enter matchmaker music*
Man I eat dictionaries, and still disagree with you. Guess i must be a jew or sumthin eh?

Liasia']Man I eat dictionaries, and still disagree with you. Guess i must be a jew or sumthin eh?
I always thought Jews had a taste for human flesh. :confused:

German is defined as people with german citizenship. Following statistics dont include immigrants without german citizenship residing in germany:

population with migratory background:
27.2% of those below age 25
21.5% of the West German population
18.6% of the whole German population
5.2% of the East German population

http://www.ftd.de/politik/deutschland/80285.html

This one is english but dont include all statistics:
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2046121,00.html

The rate of immigration seems to be very fast. More than 1/3 of population isnt ethnic german but the mass immigration started in the 1960's.

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9772/014088914006aw.jpg
If current trends continue (low native birthrates, mass immigration, high non native birthrates) people with migratory background will comprimise 2/3 of population within 40 years or less.

So the dicussion: Is this good or bad, why and why not? Considering many 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants dont integrate well, will the current (or future) immigrants integrate before germany looses it's german majority? What will the the german culture be like within 50 years? Things like that...Diskuss....

Edit:
What A German Politician of Turkish Descent Thinks About This Trends:

http://www.politikforum.de/forum/showthread.php?threadid=64023

Basically he says by 2100, there will be more turks than germans in germany. And by out reproducing them, they (turks) will accomplish what the ottoman armies sieging Vienna couldnt.

NO ONE GIVES A SHIT YOU NAZI FUCK!

Liasia']Yes dear, but Nazi's *were* Fascists. Besides both of them were anti-foreigner's and anti-immigration (although not anti-explotation of minorities through force to support your own warmongering economy, which is a different thing) so the distinction is a bit pointless.

Please stop humiliating yourself by writing such midless chatter. Read http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11230147&postcount=26

Learn what immigration means. Then I hope you'd understand what immigrant means. Slave Labour are immigrants whether by force or free will. (similar ex: rape is still sex) Therefore, anyone who encourages/forces slave labour is pro-immigrant. Try to connect the dots....

Nordylogic:

The Nazis were pro-jew because they shipped them in by the trainload.

Nordylogic:

The Nazis were pro-jew because they shipped them in by the trainload.

That would be true if they didnt kill them. They shipped the french in but didnt kill them though....

Nordylogic:

The Nazis were pro-jew because they shipped them in by the trainload.
Jewish skin made the best book covers, apparently. That must be why the nazis preferred them. You can't make book covers out of the new voluntary immigrants -- too swarthy.

Nordylogic:

The Nazis were pro-jew because they shipped them in by the trainload.

I'd be careful trying to analyze his ideology. He might call you an "untermensch" like he did in that other topic.

Please stop humiliating yourself by writing such midless chatter. Read http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11230147&postcount=26

Learn what immigration means. Then I hope you'd understand what immigrant means. Slave Labour are immigrants whether by force or free will. (similar ex: rape is still sex) Therefore, anyone who encourages/forces slave labour is pro-immigrant. Try to connect the dots....
The Nazi's were NOT pro-immigrant:headbang:
Try this handy website: www.wikipedia.org and read the entry on Nazism.

NO ONE GIVES A SHIT YOU NAZI FUCK!
Pulitzer

Pulitzer
He's got my vote.

NO ONE GIVES A SHIT YOU NAZI FUCK!

If you dont give a shit, get lost and learn vocabulary (i.e. what nazi means). If you give a shit as to sounding like an utter idiot, proceed with your mindless chatter....

That would be true if they didnt kill them. They shipped the french in but didnt kill them though....
I'm sorry. I normally don't just come right out and say these things point-blank, but:

You are a frigging idiot, you know that?

What you are doing here, thick-head, is implying that what is wrong with the new immigrants to Germany is that they're not slaves. And then you act all suprised when people make fun of you and call you names like racist, nazi, and asshat. :rolleyes:

You suspect I support Nazis and that's why I created this thread and then you argue based on that misrepresantation.
No, I suspect you support racialism and ethic homogeneity (I have a pretty strong suspicion indeed), and for whatever reason, you seem to want to talk about Germany all the time (not France, not Holland, not Britain, not even Norway most of the time). So I just put 2 and 2 together.
You're not the first of your kind here either. Racialists converge on modern Germany like flies on a pile of shit.

Mind you look what happened the last time neandethals let forin types into Europe. There is an historical precedent for neanderthal die off due to immigrant populations.

I'm sorry. I normally don't just come right out and say these things point-blank, but:

You are a frigging idiot, you know that?

What you are doing here, thick-head, is implying that what is wrong with the new immigrants to Germany is that they're not slaves. And then you act all suprised when people make fun of you and call you names like racist, nazi, and asshat. :rolleyes:
It was forced immigration of a form, was it not?

And yes the Nazis did treat their prisoners so well!

"Modern Europe
Main articles: Holocaust, Nazi concentration camps
Between 1933 and 1945, the Nazi regime created many Arbeitslager (labour camps) in Germany and Eastern Europe. Prisoners in Nazi labour camps were worked to death on short rations and in bad conditions, or killed if they became unable to work. Millions died as a direct result of forced labour under the Nazis.

Main article: Gulag "
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattel_slavery#Modern_Europe

Mind you look what happened the last time neandethals let forin types into Europe. There is an historical precedent for neanderthal die off due to immigrant populations.
Indeed, there is even a historical precedent for marsupials dying out due to immigration problems!

Maybe we all need to flee to Australia. But then...aww, goddammit. They got here before us! We're doomed, I tells ya! DOOMED!

Liasia']The Nazi's were NOT pro-immigrant:headbang:
Try this handy website: www.wikipedia.org and read the entry on Nazism.

Are you still here? Do you like being humiliated intellectually?


This is an account of the most important instance of forced labor by foreign workers outside their own country in the twentieth century, when millions of workers from the USSR, Poland, France, Czechoslovakia, Italy and elsewhere toiled in the service of the Nazi regime. The workers are examined first from the viewpoint of the Nazi leadership, the entrepreneurs and the authorities, and second through the eyes of the workers themselves. It is the first major study of what in effect was slave labor on a massive scale, whose reverberations are still felt today in current debates about work compensation and the legacy of the Third Reich.


http://www.cambridge.org/us/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=0521470005

So when Nazis forced foreign labour into their country, they were anti-immigrant? *points to Liasia and laughs* HAHA...Anti-immigrant means wanting no foreign labour in your country, whether by forcing or paying or sexually seducing.

It was forced immigration of a form, was it not?

They think forced immigration is not immigration somehow. And they dare to call others stupid. LOL. Do you think it is because they are too desperate to cover up their own stupidity?

I'm wondering of the OP realises that Germany has always been and will always be a migrationary center of Europe?
It's right in the middle of it. No other country in Europe (and indeed, very few countries around the world) has more neighbours. Everybody came through this place at some point in time. Some went back, some moved on, some stayed.

Examples : in the old days, the Romans (and with them people from every part of their empire), the Huns, the Vikings, in more recent times the Hugenots from France coming to Prussia in the 17th and 18th century, the Polish coming to work in the Ruhr region in the 19th century, and in the most recent years Italians, Spanish and Turkish.
They all brought problems with them, some more, some less, and they all form what is Germany today. Society isn't stagnant, it's dynamic. That's the way it should be, there's nothing whatsoever wrong with that.

Are you still here? Do you like being humiliated intellectually?



http://www.cambridge.org/us/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=0521470005

So when Nazis forced foreign labour into their country, they were anti-immigrant? *points to Liasia and laughs* HAHA...Anti-immigrant means wanting no foreign labour in your country, whether by forcing or paying or sexually seducing.
Mmmm.. so the Nazi's used foreign labour- its just another example of them compromising their principles (ie anti-immigration) in favour of having the chance to complete nobends for a few more years. They were ideologically opposed to immigration, as the article says. Maybe the subtleties of language escape you Nordland but an immigrant is not the same thing as a slave, sorry.

Liasia']Mmmm.. so the Nazi's used foreign labour- its just another example of them compromising their principles (ie anti-immigration) in favour of having the change to complete nobends for a few more years. They were ideologically opposed to immigration, as the article says.
Free immigration, no doubt. They did practise a form of forced immigration though.

They think forced immigration is not immigration somehow. And they dare to call others stupid. LOL. Do you think it is because they are too desperate to cover up their own stupidity?
The brilliance of our intellect dazes them, that is all.

No, I suspect you support racialism and ethic homogeneity (I have a pretty strong suspicion indeed), and for whatever reason, you seem to want to talk about Germany all the time (not France, not Holland, not Britain, not even Norway most of the time). So I just put 2 and 2 together.
You're not the first of your kind here either. Racialists converge on modern Germany like flies on a pile of shit.

But I've talked about Netherlands and Norway and Denmark. If you want to bend the truths to fit to your assumptions, you will be just a straw men....

Free immigration, no doubt. They did practise a form of forced immigration though.
I know that, but they i doubt they enjoyed it:p

Are you still here? Do you like being humiliated intellectually?



http://www.cambridge.org/us/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=0521470005

So when Nazis forced foreign labour into their country, they were anti-immigrant? *points to Liasia and laughs* HAHA...Anti-immigrant means wanting no foreign labour in your country, whether by forcing or paying or sexually seducing.

Brining people into the country to work them to death doesn't constitute immigration.


immigrate

• verb come to live permanently in a foreign country.

— DERIVATIVES immigration noun.

— ORIGIN Latin immigrare.

None of these "immigrants" were intended to "live permanently" in Germany.

So... If I kidnap a Canadian and keep them as a sex slave in my basement - I am pro-immigrant?

Okay.

So... If I kidnap a Canadian and keep them as a sex slave in my basement - I am pro-immigrant?

Okay.

Someone finally understands!

Liasia']Mmmm.. so the Nazi's used foreign labour- its just another example of them compromising their principles (ie anti-immigration) in favour of having the chance to complete nobends for a few more years. They were ideologically opposed to immigration, as the article says. Maybe the subtleties of language escape you Nordland but an immigrant is not the same thing as a slave, sorry.

Because u say so? HAHA. Read the dictionary explanation I provided before. If you have read it before, read it again and again until you finally understand what immigrant means. If you still cant get it, try reading the post about why most immigrants are *forced* to immigrate not because of some despot but because of poor economical conditions in their own country...I guess when you were looking for the "subtleties" you missed the OBVIOUS.

The brilliance of our intellect dazes them, that is all.
Dude...

If you still cant get it, try reading the post about why most immigrants are *forced* to immigrate not because of some despot but because of poor economical conditions in their own country...I guess when you were looking for the "subtleties" you missed the OBVIOUS.

If that's the case, then your solution of "leave them in those poor economical conditions" is rather brutal.

Because u say so? HAHA. Read the dictionary explanation I provided before. If you have read it before, read it again and again until you finally understand what immigrant means. If you still cant get it, try reading the post about why most immigrants are *forced* to immigrate not because of some despot but because of poor economical conditions in their own country...I guess when you were looking for the "subtleties" you missed the OBVIOUS.
Here's my argument in all it's subtlty: :headbang: if we are going into somantics, yes the victims of the holocaust were in some cases immigrants. And thanks for the constant insults, i wonder if you'd be so happy to rant at me if we met in r/l. I doubt it you rascist fuck.

Brining people into the country to work them to death doesn't constitute immigration.



None of these "immigrants" were intended to "live permanently" in Germany.

*ZAP* You are disqualified. Your answer was incorrect....Try reading previous posts and then you might get the 1 million Euro....

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11230147&postcount=26

immigrate:
One entry found for immigrate.
Main Entry: im·mi·grate
Pronunciation: 'i-m&-"grAt
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -grat·ed; -grat·ing
Etymology: Latin immigratus, past participle of immigrare to remove, go in, from in- + migrare to migrate
intransitive senses : to enter and usually become established; especially : to come into a country of which one is not a native for permanent residence

usually =/= always

But I've talked about Netherlands and Norway and Denmark. If you want to bend the truths to fit to your assumptions, you will be just a straw men....
You're not talking about them today, are you. And you talked about the others only as part of a bigger "We're doomed, kill the Brownies!" argument. I don't think you talked about France once, and there is a country with more immigrants than Germany.

Then there are the hundreds of different Europeans peoples, cultures and communities that are or have been at some point part of Germany. So that tells me that this is about ethnicity, not culture.

All I ask is that you talk about what you know, not about places you've likely never been. I went to school with many Turkish kids, and even a few African ones. They are no different to anyone else. Why do you have a problem with them?

Liasia']Here's my argument in all it's subtlty: :headbang: if we are going into somantics, yes the victims of the holocaust were in some cases immigrants. And thanks for the constant insults, i wonder if you'd be so happy to rant at me if we met in r/l. I doubt it you rascist fuck.

Is letting millions of foreign labour into your country somantics? HAHA
I wasnt expect this thread to be this amusing.....I wonder what desperate argument you will come up with next....

*ZAP* You are disqualified. Your answer was incorrect....Try reading previous posts and then you might get the 1 million Euro....

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11230147&postcount=26

immigrate:
One entry found for immigrate.
Main Entry: im·mi·grate
Pronunciation: 'i-m&-"grAt
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -grat·ed; -grat·ing
Etymology: Latin immigratus, past participle of immigrare to remove, go in, from in- + migrare to migrate
intransitive senses : to enter and usually become established; especially : to come into a country of which one is not a native for permanent residence
usually =/= always

Um, ZAP?

If that's the case, then your solution of "leave them in those poor economical conditions" is rather brutal.
He is trying to assert that in such cases immigrants are forced into immigration. I do not agree entirely here. And anyway, the only one who would deprive people of welfare is me. But then that would be for all people. :p

You're not talking about them today, are you. And you talked about the others only as part of a bigger "We're doomed, kill the Brownies!" argument. I don't think you talked about France once, and there is a country with more immigrants than Germany.

Then there are the hundreds of different Europeans peoples, cultures and communities that are or have been at some point part of Germany. So that tells me that this is about ethnicity, not culture.

All I ask is that you talk about what you know, not about places you've likely never been. I went to school with many Turkish kids, and even a few African ones. They are no different to anyone else. Why do you have a problem with them?

You were arguing that I was only mentioning about Germany and you were wrong. Try to admit at least this very OBVIOUS mistake of yours....

*ZAP* You are disqualified. Your answer was incorrect....Try reading previous posts and then you might get the 1 million Euro....

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11230147&postcount=26

immigrate:
One entry found for immigrate.
Main Entry: im·mi·grate
Pronunciation: 'i-m&-"grAt
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -grat·ed; -grat·ing
Etymology: Latin immigratus, past participle of immigrare to remove, go in, from in- + migrare to migrate
intransitive senses : to enter and usually become established; especially : to come into a country of which one is not a native for permanent residence

usually =/= always

Why? Because you found a dictionary that defines the word according to your point of view, and that has to be the only valid definition?

"Immigration" in common use refers to people willingly making a decision to move to another country with the intention of staying there. Just because you say that importing people to kill them equals immigration doesn't make it true, you know?

"to enter and usually become established; especially : to come into a country of which one is not a native for permanent residence"


"become established"
"permanent residence"

Neither of these were the fate or intention for Nazi slave labor. By your own definition, you are full of poopy.

Is letting millions of foreign labour into your country somantics? HAHA
I wasnt expect this thread to be this amusing.....I wonder what desperate argument you will come up with next....
Yes the nazis kindly let the Jews, slavs, gypsies, gays and black people come and work themselves to death in the labour camps. trust me dude im laughing my face off, just at you not with you.

So... If I kidnap a Canadian and keep them as a sex slave in my basement - I am pro-immigrant?

Okay.

If you force millions of them, then yeah, you are pro-immigrant, because you needed foreign "labour" instead of local "labour" to do your dirty work...

Like the United States.

He is trying to assert that in such cases immigrants are forced into immigration.

Obviously. And instead of letting them leave circumstances so horrid that it can be legitimately said that they are "coerced" into leaving, he wants to force them to stay.

That's akin to saying, "well, I don't like coercing people into working at the point of a gun, so I'll just shoot them all."

Like the United States.
'tis what i was thinking with the mexican thing.. but comparing the USA to Nazi Germany isn't clever around here.

And yet again a stupid thread waisting webspace that could and should have been used for free porn. Bummer. Shame on you.

Well the difference between the US and Nazi Germany is quite apparent.

A) The US does not capture Mexicans and make them work. They come willingly.

B) The immigrants are not killed after their "usefulness" runs out

C) The immigrants can leave whenever they want to.

I don't think America even comes close to Nazi Germany.

Why? Because you found a dictionary that defines the word according to your point of view, and that has to be the only valid definition?

"Immigration" in common use refers to people willingly making a decision to move to another country with the intention of staying there. Just because you say that importing people to kill them equals immigration doesn't make it true, you know?

What part of "most immigrants dont migrate willingly" you people dont get? Why do I have to keep repeating it thousands of times? It's not that hard, is it? Most immigrants are *forced* to immigrate not because of a despot but because of poor economic conditions in their home country.
Besides nazis didnt kill most of the immigrants. There were french, italian, etc... immigrants as well who returned after the war....

You were arguing that I was only mentioning about Germany and you were wrong. Try to admit at least this very OBVIOUS mistake of yours....
My original thesis:
Many racialists and racists have this fascination with the Germans, perhaps because they think that at some point the Germans stood up and fought for the white people against all the dirty brownies...
My argument:
...for whatever reason, you seem to want to talk about Germany all the time (not France, not Holland, not Britain, not even Norway most of the time)...
Note that I did not say that you were only mentioning it, I said you were mentioning it all the time.
I notice you may have talked about Holland or Norway once or twice. However, Germany is a pet topic of yours. I don't know why, because in reality, Germany has been quite a success story as far as immigration is concerned. Italian Guest Workers come to mind.

What part of "most immigrants dont migrate willingly" you people dont get? Why do I have to keep repeating it thousands of times? It's not that hard, is it? Most immigrants are *forced* to immigrate not because of a despot but because of poor economic conditions in their home country.
Besides nazis didnt kill most of the immigrants. There were french, italian, etc... immigrants as well who returned after the war....

There's a big difference between taking a long hard look at your situation, weighing the advantages and disadvantages, and deciding to pack you things and leave and being herded on a freight train and forcefully transported to a place where you'll be worked to death.
One is willing, despite being influenced by circumstances (as most decision in life actually are), the other is unwilling.
Not so hard to understand, is it?

Liasia']Yes the nazis kindly let the Jews, slavs, gypsies, gays and black people come and work themselves to death in the labour camps. trust me dude im laughing my face off, just at you not with you.

When they forced them, they let them. If they forced them and not let them, it'd be weird, no?
Amazing that you, in your condition, can laugh at others. Miracles never cease to exist....

So... If I kidnap a Canadian and keep them as a sex slave in my basement - I am pro-immigrant?

Okay.

Ironically by this logic the most pro immigrant thing you could do is kidnap a refugee from Iraq.

I don't know why, because in reality, Germany has been quite a success story as far as immigration is concerned. Italian Guest Workers come to mind.

I don't know why, but it seems from reading the original post, he seems to be more upset about the German people losing their national identity. The success of immigration seems to be subverting the "great nation" of Germany.

When they forced them, they let them. If they forced them and not let them, it'd be weird, no?
Amazing that you, in your condition, can laugh at others. Miracles never cease to exist....
*whoosh* hear that? It's the sound of some sarcasm going over your head. You should recognise it by now, surely?

My original thesis:

My argument:

Note that I did not say that you were only mentioning it, I said you were mentioning it all the time.
I notice you may have talked about Holland or Norway once or twice. However, Germany is a pet topic of yours. I don't know why, because in reality, Germany has been quite a success story as far as immigration is concerned. Italian Guest Workers come to mind.

If I were talking about Germany all the time, how could I be talking about others?
This is the 2nd topic I made about germany out of many. Apparently, You've lost all remnants of your objectivity....

I don't know why, but it from reading the original post, he seems to be more upset about the German people losing their national identity. The success of immigration seems to be subverting the "great nation" of Germany.

I'm guessing those are the exact thoughts of the OP. That way of thinking never fails to make me laugh... there never was such a thing as a German nation without constant immigration.

What part of "most immigrants dont migrate willingly" you people dont get? Why do I have to keep repeating it thousands of times? It's not that hard, is it? Most immigrants are *forced* to immigrate not because of a despot but because of poor economic conditions in their home country....

What is it about free will that you don't understand? Just because you repeat a stupid argument a 1000 times - doesn't make it any more persuasive.



Besides nazis didnt kill most of the immigrants. There were french, italian, etc... immigrants as well who returned after the war....

Then... by your own definition - they were not immigrants. They did not establish themselves, they did not become permanent residents. They were kidnap victims.

You are wrong on every count.

I don't know why, but it from reading the original post, he seems to be more upset about the German people losing their national identity. The success of immigration seems to be subverting the "great nation" of Germany.
Which shouldn't a) be of his concern 'cause he ain't German and is not living here and b) really upsets me 'cause I don't like some foreigner trash-talking my nation. Why don't you make another thread on the threats for Norway, NN? Leave Germany alone!

Liasia']*whoosh* hear that? It's the sound of some sarcasm going over your head. You should recognise it by now, surely?

Oh, were your whole argument on this thread sarcastic? Right. I should have guessed. It was very stupid.....

Germany beat Sweden today. :)

Oh, were your whole argument on this thread sarcastic? Right. I should have guessed. It was very stupid.....
Take it that way if it makes you feel better, although i have to say most people recognise sarcasm. Especially when it's empahsised like I did. Moron:rolleyes:

Ny Nordland: If you feel so compassionate towards these immigrant-slaves, surely you would support letting them vote on whether they should stay or be deported? And let the new ones vote on whether they should be let in or kept out?

Germany beat Sweden today. :)
Meh France beat South Africa in rugby. :/

What is it about free will that you don't understand? Just because you repeat a stupid argument a 1000 times - doesn't make it any more persuasive.




Then... by your own definition - they were not immigrants. They did not establish themselves, they did not become permanent residents. They were kidnap victims.

You are wrong on every count.

I'm not surprised you reached that conclusion, since you cant read dictionary definitions properly. Are you 9 or something?

Which shouldn't a) be of his concern 'cause he ain't German and is not living here and b) really upsets me 'cause I don't like some foreigner trash-talking my nation. Why don't you make another thread on the threats for Norway, NN? Leave Germany alone!

I cant talk about Germany? That means Europeans cant talk about USA? And Americans not about Europe? :eek: That means the end of NSG.....

I don't think he is a 9 year old. 9 year olds tend to insult everyone while the person being insulted is only trying to make a point.

I'm not surprised you reached that conclusion, since you cant read dictionary definitions properly. Are you 9 or something?

You're just giving up now. It's not our fault you staked out your position on a really stupid premise. Explain precisely how I am wrong. How are kidnapped disposable slaves "established" or "permanent residents"?

I don't know why, but it seems from reading the original post, he seems to be more upset about the German people losing their national identity. The success of immigration seems to be subverting the "great nation" of Germany.
Let that be our concern. We have football now.
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,422401,00.html

You're just giving up now. It's not our fault you staked out your position on a really stupid premise. Explain precisely how I am wrong. How are kidnapped disposable slaves "established" or "permanent residents"?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11230147&postcount=26

usually =/= always...DUH!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11230147&postcount=26

usually =/= always...DUH!

What??? you are surrendering now? You just linked to the original definition. The one that specifically calls for "permanent residence" and being "established".

How about some analysis?

If you're going to quit like that, at least be a man and admit you're wrong.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11230147&postcount=26

usually =/= always...DUH!

Well, your dictionary fails.

immigrant 1a a person who comes into a country to take up permanent residence.

immigrate 1 To come into a country of which one is not a native to take up permanent residence.

No usuallys here.

Well, your dictionary fails.

immigrant 1a a person who comes into a country to take up permanent residence.

immigrate 1 To come into a country of which one is not a native to take up permanent residence.

No usuallys here.

AWW...Merriam and Webster failed? to what? your dictionary? And I mean "your" literally since you failed to provide a link....

AWW...Merriam and Webster failed? to what? your dictionary? And I mean "your" literally since you failed to provide a link....

No link because it's on paper. Y'know, one of those book things that some people read?

No link because it's on paper. Y'know, one of those book things that some people read?
Do you have to press a button to turn them on? :confused:

Well... by Nordy's definition, he is only "usually" wrong.

No link because it's on paper. Y'know, one of those book things that some people read?

LOL....Even if you couldnt give a link, you could have said the name of dictionary. It writes in the front "paper"...

Fine, the Penguin dictionary. In any case, you know your argument is dead when you're basing it entirely on a single word in a definition. It's just semantics.

Well... by Nordy's definition, he is only "usually" wrong.

Nazis wanted to use "untermenschen" slavs as slave labour permanently...There is your "permanent".

German is defined as people with german citizenship. Following statistics dont include immigrants without german citizenship residing in germany:

population with migratory background:
27.2% of those below age 25
21.5% of the West German population
18.6% of the whole German population
5.2% of the East German population

http://www.ftd.de/politik/deutschland/80285.html

This one is english but dont include all statistics:
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2046121,00.html

The rate of immigration seems to be very fast. More than 1/3 of population isnt ethnic german but the mass immigration started in the 1960's.

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9772/014088914006aw.jpg
If current trends continue (low native birthrates, mass immigration, high non native birthrates) people with migratory background will comprimise 2/3 of population within 40 years or less.

So the dicussion: Is this good or bad, why and why not? Considering many 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants dont integrate well, will the current (or future) immigrants integrate before germany looses it's german majority? What will the the german culture be like within 50 years? Things like that...Diskuss....

Edit:
What A German Politician of Turkish Descent Thinks About This Trends:

http://www.politikforum.de/forum/showthread.php?threadid=64023

Basically he says by 2100, there will be more turks than germans in germany. And by out reproducing them, they (turks) will accomplish what the ottoman armies sieging Vienna couldnt.


We'll conquer the world with Döner Kebap! :eek:

We'll conquer the world with Döner Kebap! :eek:

You know, I wouldn't mind if they started conquering Ireland soon... I really could do with a decent Doener Kebab

You know, I wouldn't mind if they started conquering Ireland soon... I really could do with a decent Doener KebabFalafels FTW :p

Falafels FTW :p

:D

I had a turkish lamb pizza once. Tasty.

Ny, why do you bother? Europe's fucked; go America.

Ny, why do you bother? Europe's fucked; go America.

Because they have less immigration? Er... rrrrright.....

Because they have less immigration? Er... rrrrright.....

Because America doesn't bend over for invading cultures.

Because America doesn't bend over for invading cultures.

*lol
You're talking about the country that issues official forms in both English and Spanish these days, don't you?

*lol
You're talking about the country that issues official forms in both English and Spanish these days, don't you?

Mexicans aren't invading; they aren't forcing their shit on Americans, or burning cars when they don't get what they want. And some Americans are fighting it anyway; take that Geno guy for example.

Mexicans aren't invading; they aren't forcing their shit on Americans, or burning cars when they don't get what they want. And some Americans are fighting it anyway; take that Geno guy for example.

This is about immigration, not invasion.
To take the original example, when was the last time immigrants burned cars in Germany? The only time I ever saw someone burning a car was during a Neonazi riot in Leipzig....
And what "shit" would immigrants be forcing on Germans?

This is about immigration, not invasion.
To take the original example, when was the last time immigrants burned cars in Germany? The only time I ever saw someone burning a car was during a Neonazi riot in Leipzig....
And what "shit" would immigrants be forcing on Germans?

It's cultural invasion. What about that school in Berlin ruled by non-German speaking immigrants? How's that going?

And you don't remember the riots in France (I'm talking about all of Europe)?

It's cultural invasion. What about that school in Berlin ruled by non-German speaking immigrants? How's that going?

And you don't remember the riots in France (I'm talking about all of Europe)?

What school would that be?
And this thread is about immigration in Germany.

What school would that be?
And this thread is about immigration in Germany.

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/07/germans_quit_be.php

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/07/germans_quit_be.php
Yeah, damn the lack of Aryan blood in them. :mad:

Yeah, damn the lack of Aryan blood in them. :mad:

I damn the fact that the can't, and don't want to, speak German, despite the fact that they are obviously living in Germany.

I damn the fact that the can't, and don't want to, speak German, despite the fact that they are obviously living in Germany.Don't want to?

Oh well, I've met fewer non-whites in Berlin who can't speak the language, than I've met whites who can't.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo.

I'm sorely tempted to do a google image search for one of those "Oh no, not this shit again" pics. :rolleyes:

Really, what is it with you people that makes you think you always have to jump up and defend anything "German" (or any other "tall, blond, nordic" nationality)?

Could you please leave us out of your racist arguments for a change?
No because when we build you up it is fun to bring you back down.
Why do you think you got the World Cup?
To promote the game?
Laughable.

No because when we build you up it is fun to bring you back down.
Why do you think you got the World Cup?
To promote the game?
Laughable.
Why, I thought it was to send Argentina home come Friday. :)

Why, I thought it was to send Argentina home come Friday. :)
Yeah if you give it a few more weeks and 'we'll' be taking the cup home too.:)

This is about immigration, not invasion.
To take the original example, when was the last time immigrants burned cars in Germany? The only time I ever saw someone burning a car was during a Neonazi riot in Leipzig....
And what "shit" would immigrants be forcing on Germans?

Native Americans in Canada let europeans immigrate willingly. This is a proof that the original culture can be saved once the original population looses majority. Oh wait!! :rolleyes:

Don't want to?

Oh well, I've met fewer non-whites in Berlin who can't speak the language, than I've met whites who can't.

How does their skin colour make a difference? Learn the fucking language.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo.

I'm sorely tempted to do a google image search for one of those "Oh no, not this shit again" pics. :rolleyes:

Really, what is it with you people that makes you think you always have to jump up and defend anything "German" (or any other "tall, blond, nordic" nationality)?

Could you please leave us out of your racist arguments for a change?

Because a few hundred years ago a bunch of white people moved in to a lot of places and displaced some brownish/reddish/yellowish people and now we get to see what its like. It really is fascinating to wonder what your grandkids will see as normal culture and people compared to what we see today.

I'm a US citizen studying in Dresden and I've met the black guy already and the Turks make some damn good food (mmmm Doners....). Its really wierd to see how things are. The anti-Nazi punks seem to cause more trouble than the real Nazis do. The racial minorities, even 1st and 2nd gen ones, speak better German than I do. There is real debate over a few cultural things as to wether its Turkish or German, the Doner is the big one. I mark it as Turkish but my boss argues that it was invented in Berlin by Turkish immigrants and is thus as German as bratwurst.

Will everyone integerate or will we end up with the venn-diagram like there is in the US?Some things integrate and share but other areas remain steadfastly associated with one ethnicity.

How does their skin colour make a difference? Learn the fucking language.

It takes time to do that. You pick up on the basics pretty quick, learning to buy food and such. Language classes teach you some of the pleasantries and small talk pretty quick.

English is probably the most common foreign language learned and if you're a native English speaker it can be hard to find people who will actually speak the native language to you depending on the setting. They want to speak english as much as I want to try my German.

There's a big difference between taking a long hard look at your situation, weighing the advantages and disadvantages, and deciding to pack you things and leave and being herded on a freight train and forcefully transported to a place where you'll be worked to death.
One is willing, despite being influenced by circumstances (as most decision in life actually are), the other is unwilling.
Not so hard to understand, is it?

Cant you read the previous posts? Do you think I'm only talking about jews here? Nazis imported labour from france and italy and others too. They didnt treat them as slaves.
Besides, eventhough they foreced it, it was still a forced immigration ...

Liasia']Take it that way if it makes you feel better, although i have to say most people recognise sarcasm. Especially when it's empahsised like I did. Moron:rolleyes:

LOL...Even people like you can call others moron, huh?
All your argument on this thread was about how forced immigration "differs" from immigration. And the "sarcastic" remarks were a continueation/part of that argument. But, you simply can not comprehend all these, can you?

Yeah, damn the lack of Aryan blood in them. :mad:

His point was about cultural invasion. And you can see the cultural invasion in that school (noone speaks german). Why you people can not connect dots? Is it because of american popular culture that glorifies stupidity (chearleaders or atheltes in teen movies) that you people are soo willing to making idiotic arguments?

Is it because of american popular culture that glorifies stupidity (chearleaders or atheltes in teen movies) that you people are soo willing to making idiotic arguments?

Yes, it is.
So, what's your reason to make idiotic arguments?

It takes time to do that. You pick up on the basics pretty quick, learning to buy food and such. Language classes teach you some of the pleasantries and small talk pretty quick.

English is probably the most common foreign language learned and if you're a native English speaker it can be hard to find people who will actually speak the native language to you depending on the setting. They want to speak english as much as I want to try my German.

Oh please. Many of them have been there since the '60s. My mum's been in Australia since the '70s, and her English is perfect. Time is no excuse unless you just got off the boat.

Cant you read the previous posts? Do you think I'm only talking about jews here? Nazis imported labour from france and italy and others too. They didnt treat them as slaves.
Besides, eventhough they foreced it, it was still a forced immigration ...

Can't YOU read the previous posts? Gartref already killed that argument. Those labourers went back to their homes after the war, so they didn't stay permanently and therefore did not immigrate by your own definition.

Many of them have been there since the '60s.
I sincerely doubt that.

The reason German isn't spoken in some of those areas is primarily a combination of two factors. Firstly, it was the government that was for years denying that immigration was a factor. They were considered temporary guest workers. Therefore, no structures were put in place to help these people integrate into life in their new home. And secondly (and perhaps partly caused by the first) these communities then formed close bonds of people who did share the same language and the same situation, and there was too little too late done to reach out into these communities.

I would recommend watching the movie "Solino (http://german.imdb.com/title/tt0292242/)" in connection with this topic as well.

Yes, it is.
So, what's your reason to make idiotic arguments?

If you are unable to comprehend them, of course they will sound idiotic to you...

Can't YOU read the previous posts? Gartref already killed that argument. Those labourers went back to their homes after the war, so they didn't stay permanently and therefore did not immigrate by your own definition.

I read previous posts but obviously you dont/cant. This fact makes you sound even more stupid....

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11230546&postcount=105

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11230650&postcount=114

I sincerely doubt that.

The reason German isn't spoken in some of those areas is primarily a combination of two factors. Firstly, it was the government that was for years denying that immigration was a factor. They were considered temporary guest workers. Therefore, no structures were put in place to help these people integrate into life in their new home. And secondly (and perhaps partly caused by the first) these communities then formed close bonds of people who did share the same language and the same situation, and there was too little too late done to reach out into these communities.

I would recommend watching the movie "Solino (http://german.imdb.com/title/tt0292242/)" in connection with this topic as well.

There are many countries that had bad immigration programs, but most of those people intergrated and learned the language. My family didn't get shit helping here, but they learned it. What's wrong with these immigrants?

There are many countries that had bad immigration programs, but most of those people intergrated and learned the language. my family didn't get shit helping here, but they learned it. What's wrong with these immigrants?

Because english is much easier than German? :p Those artikels which kept changing were killing me in high school...

How does their skin colour make a difference?You're asking the wrong person. I responded to the singling out of ethnic groups, I didn't start it.Learn the fucking language.Agreed.

Who cares what their ethnicity is?

You do realise that the European tribes shuffled around a bit over the last couple of thousand years, so the question is meaningless?

Because english is much easier than German? :p Those artikels which kept changing were killing me in high school...

Actually, I was under the impression that English was one of the harder languages to learn, especially for speakers of well-organised languages like German, French or Russian. English is just so... random.

It's cultural invasion. What about that school in Berlin ruled by non-German speaking immigrants? How's that going?


As long as the parents of the children are taxpayers, which they'd have to be, then it's noones business what language they speak or what kind of burger they eat or what figment of their imagination they pray to. "ruled", Jebus.

The rebuttal for all you lameo supremicists is this:
If your society/culture/race is so superior how come it's under threat? It's called evolution. If your society/culture/religion etc doesn't survive then it's not superior. If it's superior then why are you so scared of inferior types?

Your weak scared argument sounds like the typical bullys lament.

As long as the parents of the children are taxpayers, which they'd have to be, then it's noones business what language they speak or what kind of burger they eat or what figment of their imagination they pray to. "ruled", Jebus.

The rebuttal for all you lameo supremicists is this:
If your society/culture/race is so superior how come it's under threat? It's called evolution. If your society/culture/religion etc doesn't survive then it's not superior. If it's superior then why are you so scared of inferior types?

Your weak scared argument sounds like the typical bullys lament.

If they live in Germany and claim to be German the least they can do is try and learn the language. That doesn't seem to be too much to ask for.

As long as the parents of the children are taxpayers, which they'd have to be, then it's noones business what language they speak or what kind of burger they eat or what figment of their imagination they pray to. "ruled", Jebus.

The rebuttal for all you lameo supremicists is this:
If your society/culture/race is so superior how come it's under threat? It's called evolution. If your society/culture/religion etc doesn't survive then it's not superior. If it's superior then why are you so scared of inferior types?

Your weak scared argument sounds like the typical bullys lament.

Roman culture was superior. That didnt stop barbarians invading and eventually destroying it....

Actually, I was under the impression that English was one of the harder languages to learn, especially for speakers of well-organised languages like German, French or Russian. English is just so... random.

Norwegian has its own male/female/neutral and defined/undefined forms of words. English has only "a/an" and "the". Much easier, I think....

As long as the parents of the children are taxpayers, which they'd have to be, then it's noones business what language they speak or what kind of burger they eat or what figment of their imagination they pray to. "ruled", Jebus.

I think it IS our business if they cannot speak German in Germany. What, do they expect us to supply them with a translator everywhere they go?

Norwegian has its own male/female/neutral and defined/undefined forms of words. English has only "a/an" and "the". Much easier, I think....

Yes, but I'd expect German would be easier for you to learn because it's similar to Norwegian, in vocab and grammar. Moreso that English, I think.

I think it IS our business if they cannot speak German in Germany. What, do they expect us to supply the with a translator everywhere they go?

Exactly. If they want to continue speaking only Turkish and stay only in their Turkish culture (this can be replaced with any other immigrant group) then why don't they go back to Turkey?

Norwegian has its own male/female/neutral and defined/undefined forms of words. English has only "a/an" and "the". Much easier, I think....

In the words of my German professor (an immigrant) "I played ball, went to the ball, and had a ball" . "What the f*ck?"

Remember, Nazis were pro-immigrant. They brought millions of slave labour. Of course "PC" people like you and capitalist bosses only bring cheap labour nowadays.....

Hahahaha OMG I'm going to shit myself. If you want to define the Nazi's shipping in millions of slave laborers as ithem being pro-immigration then I guess the Nazi's were also pro-Jew, they shipped them in by the million to, and they did plenty of work.

The Nazi's were definetely not pro-immigration, to say so is just idiotic. They forced millions of foreigners to work as salves for the simple fact that there happened to be a massiv war going on and Germany didn't have the manpower it needed, these weren't people who were invited to gemany and came willingly, they were taken from there homes, or in many cases were POW's and forced to work till they died.

And, many of them didn't work in Germany itself, many of the camps were in Poland and other nations, a lot of the laborers were also employed building fortifications exc for the army(Atlantic Wall exc) outside of Germany.

Yes, but I'd expect German would be easier for you to learn because it's similar to Norwegian, in vocab and grammar. Moreso that English, I think.

Yes german is more similar. There are 3 forms of the word like norwegian and you can guess what is male or female or neutral. However, you still have to memorize artikels for some words and it gets confusing when tenses change. Because english lacks all these, I found it simpler....

Exactly. If they want to continue speaking only Turkish and stay only in their Turkish culture (this can be replaced with any other immigrant group) then why don't they go back to Turkey?

Your right, they should all leave.

But by that same token, why did so many Germans come to America back in the day? They acted like they were still in Germany, congregating together, speaking there own language, keeping their own culture, hell thousands of them even helped the Kaiser in WW1 even though they immigrated to America! Who would have guessed those same immigrants are now fully integrated into America....

Roman culture was superior. That didnt stop barbarians invading and eventually destroying it....

Then it wasn't superior. They screwed up:

When they started lining everything with lead and poisoned themselves.
When they expanded too far.
When they became decadent.


Who cares what language someone speaks. That's their look out. So long as someone pays tax and obeys the law they have the rights of any other law abiding taxpayer.

Your right, they should all leave.

But by that same token, why did so many Germans come to America back in the day? They acted like they were still in Germany, congregating together, speaking there own language, keeping their own culture, hell thousands of them even helped the Kaiser in WW1 even though they immigrated to America! Who would have guessed those same immigrants are now fully integrated into America....

Germans came to America because you (assuming you're American) hired them to help you shoot the British. And the British hired them to help shoot you.

Then it wasn't superior. They screwed up:

When they started lining everything with lead and poisoned themselves.
When they expanded too far.
When they became decadent.


Who cares what language someone speaks. That's their look out. So long as someone pays tax and obeys the law they have the rights of any other law abiding taxpayer.

We care what language people speak because it's our taxes that go to supporting people who need translators and mooch on welfare.

Hahahaha OMG I'm going to shit myself. If you want to define the Nazi's shipping in millions of slave laborers as ithem being pro-immigration then I guess the Nazi's were also pro-Jew, they shipped them in by the million to, and they did plenty of work.

The Nazi's were definetely not pro-immigration, to say so is just idiotic. They forced millions of foreigners to work as salves for the simple fact that there happened to be a massiv war going on and Germany didn't have the manpower it needed, these weren't people who were invited to gemany and came willingly, they were taken from there homes, or in many cases were POW's and forced to work till they died.

And, many of them didn't work in Germany itself, many of the camps were in Poland and other nations, a lot of the laborers were also employed building fortifications exc for the army(Atlantic Wall exc) outside of Germany.


LOL...Are you a safehaven for repeating idiotic arguments? Read previous pages, all of your points have been debunked...Maybe then, you'd shit yourself laughing again about how idiotic your post sounded like and how double idiotic it is that you have exactly repeated others....

Germans came to America because you (assuming you're American) hired them to help you shoot the British. And the British hired them to help shoot you.


Not really, the GRAND majority of German immigrants came way way after the Revolutionary and the War of 1812 ended, instead coming on thier own not to be hired to fight anyone. I don't have any figures on me, but if I remember correctly Germany sent more immigrants than any other nation in the 1800's.

Then it wasn't superior. They screwed up:

When they started lining everything with lead and poisoned themselves.
When they expanded too far.
When they became decadent.


Who cares what language someone speaks. That's their look out. So long as someone pays tax and obeys the law they have the rights of any other law abiding taxpayer.

ROFL. Yes, the barbarian germans were very sophisticated and superior. In their huts against Romans who were building magnificent temples and writing philosophy. Sometimes inferior cultures triumph over superior ones (another ex: hun inavsion of europe)
It is really amusing that people come up with these silly arguments while daring to say that they debunked others...

Not really, the GRAND majority of German immigrants came way way after the Revolutionary and the War of 1812 ended, instead coming on thier own not to be hired to fight anyone. I don't have any figures on me, but if I remember correctly Germany sent more immigrants than any other nation in the 1800's.

Yeah, so? Prove your argument about most Germans being spies. And the fact of the matter is, German culture is close to Anglo-American culture, far closer than turkish/muslim cultures are to German.

ROFL. Yes, the barbarian germans were very sophisticated and superior. In their huts against Romans who were building magnificent temples and writing philosophy. Sometimes inferior cultures triumph over superior ones (another ex: hun inavsion of europe)
It is really amusing that people come up with these silly arguments while daring to say that they debunked others...

Superior culture often can't stand in the way of massive manpower.

We care what language people speak because it's our taxes that go to supporting people who need translators and mooch on welfare.

Your right, immigrants should learn the language, and with time they will as will there children. Happened in America with German immigrants, hell the German immigrants in the 1800's and early 1900's had their own German newspapers in German but now they are fully integrated.

Your right, immigrants should learn the language, and with time they will as will there children. Happened in America with German immigrants, hell the German immigrants in the 1800's and early 1900's had their own German newspapers in German but now they are fully integrated.

Yes, they are. And in the 1800s we were shitting in pots. Your point?

ROFL. Yes, the barbarian germans were very sophisticated and superior. In their huts against Romans who were building magnificent temples and writing philosophy. Sometimes inferior cultures triumph over superior ones (another ex: hun inavsion of europe)
It is really amusing that people come up with these silly arguments while daring to say that they debunked others...

Break out your dictionary. If the Romans were superior they would have won. It isn't my problem that English isn't your first language.

Break out your dictionary. If the Romans were superior they would have won. It isn't my problem that English isn't your first language.

They had a superior culture. That doesn't mean they had superior numbers, or superior work ethic.

Yeah, so? Prove your argument about most Germans being spies. And the fact of the matter is, German culture is close to Anglo-American culture, far closer than turkish/muslim cultures are to German.

I didn't say most, but I did say many, and while it might be closer, the fact is it is still different.

http://www.njcu.edu/programs/jchistory/Pages/B_Pages/Black_Tom_Explosion.htm

http://www.fidnet.com/~weid/ww1.html#intel

Go down to the part about espionage, plenty of links

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/1920s.htm

http://www.hometowntales.com/NJ/B2CFAE9B-235C-4E1A-83C7-C3F3D729230A.html


Dozens of American ships were sunk by mini bombs that were supposed to produce fires, munitions dumps, factories exc. Google it, search around.

Break out your dictionary. If the Romans were superior they would have won. It isn't my problem that English isn't your first language.

As long as the parents of the children are taxpayers, which they'd have to be, then it's noones business what language they speak or what kind of burger they eat or what figment of their imagination they pray to. "ruled", Jebus.

The rebuttal for all you lameo supremicists is this:
If your society/culture/race is so superior how come it's under threat? It's called evolution. If your society/culture/religion etc doesn't survive then it's not superior. If it's superior then why are you so scared of inferior types?

Your weak scared argument sounds like the typical bullys lament.

You were arguing that superior cultures/societies can not be under threat. I provided examples of superior cultures/societies which were under threat and eventually destroyed by inferior cultures/societies. If you can not even follow your own arguments, it isnt my fault that you sound so stupid. And amusing too since you brand other arguments as weak, in your very own condition....

Yes, they are. And in the 1800s we were shitting in pots. Your point?

Point being the Turks can integrate as well.

Oh look, here's a fucking surprise -- NN doing a thread about how teh evil Asiatic Hordes are subverting the White People as part of a conspiracy to commit genocide. And GA following in quick succession, lapping up the nationalist bullshit like it was the sweet nectar of life. Maybe it is for you, eh?

You were arguing that superior cultures/societies can not be under threat. I provided examples of superior cultures/societies which were under threat and eventually destroyed by inferior cultures/societies. If you can not even follow your own arguments, it isnt my fault that you sound so stupid. And amusing too since you brand other arguments as weak, in your very own condition....


The Romans fel from the inside, not the out. Rome became corrupt, its military changed a lot from its glory days, Rome depended on Barbarians for its defense towards the end of the Empire.

They had a superior culture. That doesn't mean they had superior numbers, or superior work ethic.

Well that's the thing about evolution, it's a bitch. It's not so much survival of the fittest but the death of everything which is not fit. The criteria for fitness of purpose are not necessarily those of the political scientist or the aestethe. The Americans seem to be proving that intellegence is not necessarily a survival trait eg GWB.

The Romans fel from the inside, not the out. Rome became corrupt, its military changed a lot from its glory days, Rome depended on Barbarians for its defense towards the end of the Empire.

I wasnt arguing that German culture was being destroyed from outside. Immigrants are inside germany, no?

LOL...Are you a safehaven for repeating idiotic arguments? Read previous pages, all of your points have been debunked...Maybe then, you'd shit yourself laughing again about how idiotic your post sounded like and how double idiotic it is that you have exactly repeated others....

Thats a great come back. If I'm so wrong, and my post is so idiotic, then it shouldn't be hard for you at all to point out why I'm wrong and point out why your just so right...

Thats a great come back. If I'm so wrong, and my post is so idiotic, then it shouldn't be hard for you at all to point out why I'm wrong and point out why your just so right...

Just read the first 10 pages. It's not that long. I can not quote all my posts in every 10th page.

Well that's the thing about evolution, it's a bitch. It's not so much survival of the fittest but the death of everything which is not fit. The criteria for fitness of purpose are not necessarily those of the political scientist or the aestethe. The Americans seem to be proving that intellegence is not necessarily a survival trait eg GWB.

If you are so interested about survival of fittest, then you should shut up and let me argue for making my/their culture fitter...

Point being the Turks can integrate as well.

Yeah, in 200 years; and by that time, ethnic Germans will be the ones having to intergrate into Eurostan.

Well that's the thing about evolution, it's a bitch. It's not so much survival of the fittest but the death of everything which is not fit. The criteria for fitness of purpose are not necessarily those of the political scientist or the aestethe. The Americans seem to be proving that intellegence is not necessarily a survival trait eg GWB.

And since when does evolution have anything to do with culture?

I read the first five and I saw nothing to prove the Nazi's were pro immigrant, all I saw aws you trying to claim that using slaves counts as encouraging immigration.

this all reminds me of the "how to keep an idiot busy" websites... one idiot says annoying things and then all others are enraged O_o
if indeed 30% of the youngest generation has an immigration background, then germany is much like the uk, usa or australia and if it is a fact, no use in whining about a loss of culture
good or bad depends much on what happens next, i guess... :headbang:

There are many countries that had bad immigration programs, but most of those people intergrated and learned the language.
I don't think you understand (or want to understand). Germany didn't have bad integration programs, they had anti-integration programs. These people were still treated like temporary guest workers then, even when that had become completely out of place.
And another factor that plays a big role today is the absolutely atrocious school system.

My family didn't get shit helping here, but they learned it. What's wrong with these immigrants?
Because of a number of reasons again. Firstly, Australia is a much more open society (or used to be). White immigrants were accepted much more easily, for example in employment.
And secondly, Germans don't do the whole "let's all live together in 'Little Germany'". I find that most Germans who leave the place are thoroughly disgusted with it and would die happy if they never had to see another German person in their lives.

Yeah, in 200 years; and by that time, ethnic Germans will be the ones having to intergrate into Eurostan.

If the German culture dies out, which I seriously doubt that it will anytime soon, then it is no ones fault but the Germans with or without immigration. It is the Turks fault that the German people don't want to reproduce, so if the German race was on a road to dying out it would do so regardless of whterh or not some Turks immigrate. But of course, you can always put the blame on someone else and kick all the Turks out of your country and stop immigration and take the economic hit that would follow.

I read the first five and I saw nothing to prove the Nazi's were pro immigrant, all I saw aws you trying to claim that using slaves counts as encouraging immigration.

Then you missed the dictionary definitions and the debate of "permanent".....

And since when does evolution have anything to do with culture?

I suppose God created all the cultures of the earth 6000 years ago did he?

Evolution is the process of adaptation to a changing environment.

If the German culture dies out, which I seriously doubt that it will anytime soon, then it is no ones fault but the Germans with or without immigration. It is the Turks fault that the German people don't want to reproduce, so if the German race was on a road to dying out it would do so regardless of whterh or not some Turks immigrate. But of course, you can always put the blame on someone else and kick all the Turks out of your country and stop immigration and take the economic hit that would follow.

Oh, I agree. Germans are idiots.

I suppose God created all the cultures of the earth 6000 years ago did he?

Evolution is the process of adaptation to a changing environment.

Yes, because cultures grows tails and third eyes...

Cultures are not biological creatures; they are not subject to evolution.

If the German culture dies out, which I seriously doubt that it will anytime soon, then it is no ones fault but the Germans with or without immigration. It is the Turks fault that the German people don't want to reproduce, so if the German race was on a road to dying out it would do so regardless of whterh or not some Turks immigrate. But of course, you can always put the blame on someone else and kick all the Turks out of your country and stop immigration and take the economic hit that would follow.

If Germans becomes a minority in their own country, their culture will die or become very recessive against the dominant islamic culture.
If immigration is stopped, the germans will stay as a majority eventhough they have declining population birthrates....Now get it?

Yes, because cultures grows tails and third eyes...

Cultures are not biological creatures; they are not subject to evolution.

That's nice, now run along and play.

Yes, because cultures grows tails and third eyes...

Cultures are not biological creatures; they are not subject to evolution.

Yes, actually they are. The culture of the Roaring twenties is definetely not the same as the culture I live in now, or the culture my parents grew up in. Culture is constantly changing(*Cough*Evolving*Cough*) and that is something you can not deny. Ten years from now people will be listening to different music, wearing different clothes talking in new forms of slang all of which is culture....culture is constantly evolving around us.

If Germans becomes a minority in their own country, their culture will die or become very recessive against the dominant islamic culture.

Ah yes, this is similar to how black culture is dead in the USA since black people are a minority. And how Latino culture in the USA is also dead, what with Hispanics being a minority. Let's not forget the death of Jewish culture since Jews are a minority.

OH WAIT IT ISNT.

Because your Theory of Anti-Immigrant Paranoia does not fit the facts.

If immigration is stopped, the germans will stay as a majority eventhough they have declining population birthrates....Now get it?

Yeah I think we all get it - your basic assumption is that Germanic peoples good, Islam bad.

Yes, actually they are. The culture of the Roaring twenties is definetely not the same as the culture I live in now, or the culture my parents grew up in. Culture is constantly changing(*Cough*Evolving*Cough*) and that is something you can not deny. Ten years from now people will be listening to different music, wearing different clothes talking in new forms of slang all of which is culture....culture is constantly evolving around us.

Culture changes, it doesn't evolve. Evolution implies survival.

If Germans becomes a minority in their own country, their culture will die or become very recessive against the dominant islamic culture.
If immigration is stopped, the germans will stay as a majority eventhough they have declining population birthrates....Now get it?

Then as the population because older becoming a fat top population pyramid(Which is a problem many nations will soon be experiencing) and there social services and medical expenses go through the roof and there is a worker shortage and the economy starts taking hits.

Fast forward decades into the future...Germany has half the population it did now, no longer is it an economic power or a power at all.

Fast forward decades into the future...Germany has half the population it did now, no longer is it an economic power or a power at all.

What, because it's a power now? :rolleyes:

Culture changes, it doesn't evolve. Evolution implies survival.

Evolution is change, culture evolves, culture changes. Evolution does not imply survival, things do not evolve with the purpose of survival in mind, though evolutions can help with survival.

What, because it's a power now? :rolleyes:

Not much of one, but in Europe it is. Its position will only detioriate without immigration.

Evolution is change, culture evolves, culture changes. Evolution does not imply survival, things do not evolve with the purpose of survival in mind, though evolutions can help with survival.

It is not the strongest who survive, but those most responsive to change - Charles Darwin

Basically, evolution is changing to fit and survive in new circumstances. Evolution = survival.

Not much of one, but in Europe it is. Its position will only detioriate without immigration.

Yeah, now it can be an ISLAMIC POWER! Like iran! Because if there's one thing this modern world needs, it's more iran. Can you imagine a world without iran?

http://nomadlife.org/uploaded_images/peace-sign-713031.jpg

*shudder*

It is not the strongest who survive, but those most responsive to change - Charles Darwin

Basically, evolution is changing to fit and survive in new circumstances. Evolution = survival.

If you want to talk about evolution in animals...things do not evolve to fit into new circumstances or to survive. Evolution DOES NOT happen because a species needs something to survive in a new enviremont. Evolutions are freak accidents, they are entirely accidental, they are mutations. Most evolutions turn out bad and are not superior and so die out, or never become to prominent, but every once in a while a good, superior evolution pops up and because that evolution is superior it allows whatever animal had that evolution to survive better than other animals of its kind and so reproduce exc, exc. Evolution in animals is a slow proccess, but it does not happen because an animal needs something to survive. Evolution DOES NOT equal survival, though evolution can dicate whether or not a species survives or not.

Yeah, now it can be an ISLAMIC POWER! Like iran! Because if there's one thing this modern world needs, it's more iran. Can you imagine a world without iran?

http://nomadlife.org/uploaded_images/peace-sign-713031.jpg

*shudder*


Your right because all Muslims are terrorists, and Islam is a violent, bloody religion....and of course, your not a racist.

If you want to talk about evolution in animals...things do not evolve to fit into new circumstances or to survive. Evolution DOES NOT happen because a species needs something to survive in a new enviremont. Evolutions are freak accidents, they are entirely accidental, they are mutations. Most evolutions turn out bad and are not superior and so die out, or never become to prominent, but every once in a while a good, superior evolution pops up and because that evolution is superior it allows whatever animal had that evolution to survive better than other animals of its kind and so reproduce exc, exc. Evolution in animals is a slow proccess, but it does not happen because an animal needs something to survive. Evolution DOES NOT equal survival, though evolution can dicate whether or not a species survives or not.

What, so you're disagreeing with Darwin? Evolution is not a freak accident. It can be, but it is to be influenced by circumstance.

Your right because all Muslims are terrorists, and Islam is a violent, bloody religion....and of course, your not a racist.

islam IS a bloody, violent religion. Read the book, and then remind yourself that everything in it comes from their god.

What, so you're disagreeing with Darwin? Evolution is not a freak accident. It can be, but it is to be influenced by circumstance.

Go open up any tenth grade biology book, what you just said is NOT Darwinism, but instead a theory laid out by another man...can't remember his name but I believe it started with an L and he was a Frenchmen from about the same time period.

Evolution is freak accidents, mutations that were not meant to happen, and every once in a while one of the mutations turns out to be a good one.

Circumstances DO NOT influence what evolutions occur, but they DO influence which evolutions survive and thrive.

islam IS a bloody, violent religion. Read the book, and then remind yourself that everything in it comes from their god.

There we go. Thanks for proving that this isn't about economics or politics, but rather a mindless hatred of Islam, and genrally, foreigners. Much like 100% of other Ny Nordland threads in which you swim.

There we go. Thanks for proving that this isn't about economics or politics, but rather a mindless hatred of Islam, and genrally, foreigners. Much like 100% of other Ny Nordland threads in which you swim.

I didn't say that I didn't hate islam. I hate islam like I hate Nazism or Communism.

islam IS a bloody, violent religion. Read the book, and then remind yourself that everything in it comes from their god.

Kind of reminds me of Christianity and the bible...the Crusades, Inquisition, massacre at Jerusalem(it is said the blood ran knee deep), massacres in the Balkan, Greece, exc exc.

Islam as a religion is no more violent and bloody than Christianity.

(*Note:I am a Christian)

Go open up any tenth grade biology book, what you just said is NOT Darwinism, but instead a theory laid out by another man...can't remember his name but I believe it started with an L and he was a Frenchmen from about the same time period.

Evolution is freak accidents, mutations that were not meant to happen, and every once in a while one of the mutations turns out to be a good one.

Circumstances DO NOT influence what evolutions occur, but they DO influence which evolutions survive and thrive.

And by that, you've destroyed your own argument. Which culture mutated by freak accident? Which culture only advanced accidentally? I'm sure the Romans didn't.

What, so you're disagreeing with Darwin? Evolution is not a freak accident. It can be, but it is to be influenced by circumstance.

You do realise that smoking crack is not a survival trait.

I didn't say that I didn't hate islam. I hate islam like I hate Nazism or Communism.

Except on the grand spectrum of ideologies, you wind up leaning more towards nazism than any of the rest. It makes me question whether you have equal hatred for each, or if rather you have less hatred for white-man ideologies than those of Semites.

Either way, the thread is basically concluded, though of course NN, unlike you, is in denial about his hatred. So he will continue no doubt.

And by that, you've destroyed your own argument. Which culture mutated by freak accident? Which culture only advanced accidentally? I'm sure the Romans didn't.

Thats funny, because if you look in my post I specifically said "If your talking about animals". But anyawy, did anyone in 1920 plan for America's youth to be listening to rap music today? Or for us to be wearing the clothes we do now? Did anyone in say 1964 plan for what would be the style or the new slang word in 1971? Culture also does not evolve by plan.

Culture changes, it doesn't evolve. Evolution implies survival.

You might want to read up on Richard Dawkins and the concept of memes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme).

Thats funny, because if you look in my post I specifically said "If your talking about animals". But anyawy, did anyone in 1920 plan for America's youth to be listening to rap music today? Or for us to be wearing the clothes we do now? Did anyone in say 1964 plan for what would be the style or the new slang word in 1971? Culture also does not evolve by plan.

Culture doesn't change by plan, but it changes by force, not accident. I don't think people mangled the words to "The Twist" and accidentally came out with rap.

Culture doesn't change by plan, but it changes by force, not accident. I don't think people mangled the words to "The Twist" and accidentally came out with rap.

Again, your twisting my words around, when I explained Evolution like that I said in animals in the very first sentence, something I pointed out to you again in my last post.

Again, your twisting my words around, when I explained Evolution like that I said in animals in the very first sentence, something I pointed out to you again in my last post.

But you're arguing that cultures evolve. You can't change the definition of evolution to suit yourself. Either you think that animals and cultures evolve the same way, or you don't.

Ah yes, this is similar to how black culture is dead in the USA since black people are a minority. And how Latino culture in the USA is also dead, what with Hispanics being a minority. Let's not forget the death of Jewish culture since Jews are a minority.

OH WAIT IT ISNT.

Because your Theory of Anti-Immigrant Paranoia does not fit the facts.



Yeah I think we all get it - your basic assumption is that Germanic peoples good, Islam bad.

While blacks, hispanics, whatever got their own cultures, their cultures are currently reccessive against the majority white/western culture in USA. Blacks speak english and are to abide by laws which are derived from Europe, going back to ancient Rome.
A better example of cultural destruction / reccessivity is the native american culture in Canada, explained in one of the previous posts. You arent worth the effort of me finding it and linking it here....

Then as the population because older becoming a fat top population pyramid(Which is a problem many nations will soon be experiencing) and there social services and medical expenses go through the roof and there is a worker shortage and the economy starts taking hits.

Fast forward decades into the future...Germany has half the population it did now, no longer is it an economic power or a power at all.

I'd prefer a non economic power germany than an overrun germany. Capitalists tend to disagree. That's why big company bosses are so eager about immigration.
Besides, the population decline can be adressed by encouraging the rising of native birth rate instead of importing alien cultures into the country....

Your right because all Muslims are terrorists, and Islam is a violent, bloody religion....and of course, your not a racist.

There are tonnes of islamic countries in the world. If you like Islam so much, move to one of those countries and leave Europe alone...

I'd prefer a non economic power germany than an overrun germany. Capitalists tend to disagree. That's why big company bosses are so eager about immigration.

What if the economy slides down to a point where poverty becomes widespread?

Except on the grand spectrum of ideologies, you wind up leaning more towards nazism than any of the rest. It makes me question whether you have equal hatred for each, or if rather you have less hatred for white-man ideologies than those of Semites.

Either way, the thread is basically concluded, though of course NN, unlike you, is in denial about his hatred. So he will continue no doubt.

I dont hate horses. However, I wouldnt want one in my house...

What if the economy slides down to a point where poverty becomes widespread?

Japan's birth rate is below Germany's. Yet they receive no significant amounts of immigration. While their economy is growing only slowly, they are still wealthy....
Besides, many of the immigrants end up in welfare as well(40% in the netherlands). Immigration doesnt neccessarily mean economic benefit...

It's a fallacy. Whilst the notion of Aryan and racial purity is spurious, such dissolution is an offence to the very notion of a nation.

Kind of reminds me of Christianity and the bible...the Crusades, Inquisition, massacre at Jerusalem(it is said the blood ran knee deep), massacres in the Balkan, Greece, exc exc.

Islam as a religion is no more violent and bloody than Christianity.

(*Note:I am a Christian)

Christians tend to have powerful leaders who tell them not to blow up unbelievers. Christians goes awry when done in small, breakaway, usually Protestant groups (i.e. Fred Phelps).

Japan's birth rate is below Germany's. Yet they receive no significant amounts of immigration. While their economy is growing only slowly, they are still wealthy....
Besides, many of the immigrants end up in welfare as well(40% in the netherlands). Immigration doesnt neccessarily mean economic benefit...

Germany: 8.25, Japan: 9.37 http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html, and whilst immigration may not be as important to Japan's economy, Germany may be more dependant on it. Btw, do you have a source for the 40% of immigrants on benefit in the Netherlands?

Germany: 8.25, Japan: 9.37 http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html, and whilst immigration may not be as important to Japan's economy, Germany may be more dependant on it. Btw, do you have a source for the 40% of immigrants on benefit in the Netherlands?

CIA:
Germany: 1.39 births per women
Japan: 1.4 births per women

My mistake, they are almost same. My point still remains valid though...


Immigrant youths now make up half the prison population. More than 40 percent of immigrants receive some form of government assistance, a source of resentment among native Dutch.


http://www.aina.org/news/20050228132544.htm

Original article was in New York Times but you need to sign up....

CIA:
Germany: 1.39 births per women
Japan: 1.4 births per women

My mistake, they are almost same. My point still remains valid though...

Japan's situation isn't identical to Germany's though, and in some cases (particularly when the country has an aging population), immigration can be necessary to support a growing number of dependants and prevent economic damage.

http://www.aina.org/news/20050228132544.htm

Original article was in New York Times but you need to sign up....

:eek: Seems very severe in The Netherlands (but I'll have a look at a few more views on it before I make an opinion)

I dont hate horses. However, I wouldnt want one in my house...
Whoa.

Christians tend to have powerful leaders who tell them not to blow up unbelievers. Christians goes awry when done in small, breakaway, usually Protestant groups (i.e. Fred Phelps).

Your right, Christians, including major Christian leaders(I.E. Pope, Bishops, Christian Kings exc exc) Have of course never supported any violent acts, and never have they instigated a massacre or genocide.


It would be impossible to count the amount of times God and the Bible have been used by Christians as reason to fight, or how many times Christians have fought under His banner. Christianity has just as much, if not more, blood stained on its history as Islam or any other religion, and calling Islam a violent and bloody religion when at the same time you call Christianity a peacefull one is ignorant. If Islam can fall under the bloody and violent column then so must Christianity and vice versa, and thats coming from Catholic who does believe.

Japan's birth rate is below Germany's. Yet they receive no significant amounts of immigration. While their economy is growing only slowly, they are still wealthy....
Besides, many of the immigrants end up in welfare as well(40% in the netherlands). Immigration doesnt neccessarily mean economic benefit...

Actually, Japan is entering a crisis, it has been documented that unless somehow birth rates go up, Japan will need a few hundred thousand immigrants a year just to replace jobs lost to retiree's. Soon enough, Japan won't be able to sustain its own economy without immigration, same goes for Germany which is why so many immigrate to Germany.

Unless of course, you would like to grow up in a dead economy that slowly worsens each year as less and less jobs are able to be filled meaning less tax revenue while welfare costs go up as more people are aged and retired and need medication and care. The only way around this is to allow immigration or ban birth control, which I doubt is something the people of Germany or any other industrialized nation would like to see happen. Even the Vatican nowadays is loosening up its views on condoms.

Unless of course, you would like to grow up in a dead economy that slowly worsens each year as less and less jobs are able to be filled meaning less tax revenue while welfare costs go up as more people are aged and retired and need medication and care. The only way around this is to allow immigration or ban birth control,

I'm not suggesting it would be a good thing, but there is another way to solve that problem... state killing of people aged over 70, say.

*snip 40% of Dutsh immigrants on welfare thing*
Note how it says "Some form of government assistance". And Holland being the sort of social market economy that it is, I'm pretty sure the percentage of native Dutchmen receiving some kind of assistance is pretty similar (Kindergeld, for example...).
But that's the problem with descriptive statistics. And the problem with inferential statistics is that people don't seem to understand them.

Anyways...why are people talking about German "culture" being in danger? Has anyone looked at the news in recent days? Germany is in the middle of one of the most defining moments of post-war history, and you people talk of its end. :rolleyes:
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,422401,00.html
To be in Germany right now is like being in another country. Hundreds of thousands are filling the stadiums. Millions more are watching the matches on television. And on the streets, Germans are celebrating soccer and their newfound sense of patriotism. But will the country's new mood survive after the World Cup ends on July 9?

Note how it says "Some form of government assistance". And Holland being the sort of social market economy that it is, I'm pretty sure the percentage of native Dutchmen receiving some kind of assistance is pretty similar (Kindergeld, for example...).
But that's the problem with descriptive statistics. And the problem with inferential statistics is that people don't seem to understand them.

Anyways...why are people talking about German "culture" being in danger? Has anyone looked at the news in recent days? Germany is in the middle of one of the most defining moments of post-war history, and you people talk of its end. :rolleyes:
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,422401,00.html

Ah, yes..I read that article, quite an interesting one. One can only hope this thing will keep Germany up, and not just give it a suger high.

I dont hate horses. However, I wouldnt want one in my house...

Ah, the old "my country is my house" analogy. I guess that's the result of your European socialism - now you can't even tell the difference between public and private.

And I like that you compare foreigners with horses. Your way of showing your hate without actually admitting it... once again, taking the political-correct coward way out...

Your right, Christians, including major Christian leaders(I.E. Pope, Bishops, Christian Kings exc exc) Have of course never supported any violent acts, and never have they instigated a massacre or genocide.


It would be impossible to count the amount of times God and the Bible have been used by Christians as reason to fight, or how many times Christians have fought under His banner. Christianity has just as much, if not more, blood stained on its history as Islam or any other religion, and calling Islam a violent and bloody religion when at the same time you call Christianity a peacefull one is ignorant. If Islam can fall under the bloody and violent column then so must Christianity and vice versa, and thats coming from Catholic who does believe.

Never said they DIDN'T. Just that they don't NOW. That's where organised religion is brilliant: it forces it's leaders to change with the times. islam can't, because it's not organised.

Never said they DIDN'T. Just that they don't NOW. That's where organised religion is brilliant: it forces it's leaders to change with the times. islam can't, because it's not organised.

Actually, you will notice that the decline of violence in the name of Christianty started as soon as the organisation started to break up and to split up into hundreds of tiny fragmental groups, each with their own ideology.
The formerly autocratic Catholic church no longer was the sole organisation that claimed to distribute faith, which in turn (and over a few centuries) led to the cessation of violence in the name of the religion.

The solution would therefore be not to organise Islam, but to split it up even further...

Who cares what their ethnicity is?

You do realise that the European tribes shuffled around a bit over the last couple of thousand years, so the question is meaningless?
Is that a proposition or a statement of fact?
Maybe proposition isn't the right word but in any case if someone looks different and acts subversivly what do you expect, for everyone to just get along?

Edit:
What A German Politician of Turkish Descent Thinks About This Trends:

http://www.politikforum.de/forum/showthread.php?threadid=64023
What a Turk in the post below the one you quoted thinks on the issue:
So eine paranoide scheiße, :D ach kommt schon wer glaubt daran?Translation: Such paranoid shit, come on who believes that?

What a Turk in the post below the one you quoted thinks on the issue:
Translation: Such paranoid shit, come on who believes that?

believes to what? that turks will be more numerous than germans in Germany? It's not paranoia, just mathematical reality, simple calculations, based on current trends. However, 2100 date might be untrue.
What is true is that Germans will loose their majority within 40 years if current trends continue. Hopefully, if we keep our optimisim, it wont turn into a typical majority muslim country like Turkey, Iran, Morrocco, etc... where gays and women are treated very badly (to put it kindly) among many other shitty stuff...