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The craziest must stupid time to play a Rugby game with Argentia is about to begin with as Argentia gripped in the midst of Footy madness haave this home game against New Zealand in Buenos Aires.

Why on earth would the IRB wish for this game to go ahead at this time???
I've seen pictures on the news with the streets of Buenos Aires dead as people watch the Football World Cup games.

The Argentinian team actually watched the Footballers earlier today instead of a more traditional buildup, that is how much it means to them.

Who do you expect to win?
Even if you don't care...


Argentina's success over Wales and the fact this All Blacks combination has not played together has added special interest to the one-off Test in Buenos Aires as the home team attempts to do what Ireland couldn't - score a first win over New Zealand.

VENUE & TIME: Velez Sarsfield Stadium, Buenos Aires, Sunday June 25, 11.40am NZT.

HEAD TO HEAD: Played 12 - All Blacks 11, Argentina 0, Draws 1.

LAST TIME: June 26, 2004 (Hamilton) - All Blacks 41-7 Argentina.

WALKING WOUNDED: Coming back from injury for New Zealand at a vital stage of the season is lock Ali Williams, who was forced out of the squad preparing to play Ireland at the first training session after the team was named. Also back after a much longer period out of action is loosehead prop Tony Woodcock.

Veteran Argentinean prop Omar Hasan makes a welcome return to his side's front row for the Test after recovering from an injury he sustained while playing for French club side Toulouse. The 54-Test stalwart replaces Martin Scelzo in the starting line-up.

FORM: The All Blacks, as a combination, are clearly untried so expect some hiccups before the team gels. Individually, these players have mostly been involved in the action end of the Rebel Sport Super 14 and should be sharp and ready for the best that Argentina can throw at them. Argentina has grounds for confidence after an historic series win over Wales and it has the memory of coming so close to a first win the last time the All Blacks played in Argentina.

WHO'S HOT: Clearly first five-eighths Dan Carter is a key element and in a country where five-eighths are appreciated he can expect plenty of attention. Jerry Collins had a consistent Rebel Sport Super 14 and has the captaincy of the side for the first time and he should be a formidable prospect in the midst of the action. Flanker Chris Masoe should also be well placed to deal with the attentions of the home team in the breakdown area.

In the Argentinean style, first five-eighths Federico Todeschini is the kingpin of the home team, directing operations and, most importantly, leading a ferocious backline tackling effort. He is in great form with the boot having scored 30 points in the second Test with Wales. Loose forward Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe is also in good touch while his locking brother Ignacio is a key member of the front five

WE THINK: The All Blacks will face some fire in the first quarter but if they can withstand that and turn the pressure back on the home team, speed of hand and movement, especially among the backs should spell the difference between the sides. However, it will need to be a disciplined display by the All Blacks who can expect some provocation from a first-up home team. Argentina has developed its counter-attacking game but it should not be enough to deny the All Blacks.

TEAMS:

Argentina: 1 - Rodrigo Roncero, 2 - Mario Ledesma, 3 - Omar Hasan, 4 - Ignacio Fernández Lobbe, 5 - Rimas Alvarez Kairelis, 6 - Martín Durand, 7 - Juan Martín Fernández Lobbe, 8 - Gonzalo Longo, 9 - Agustín Pichot (captain), 10 - Federico Todeschini, 11 - Federico Martín Aramburu, 12 - Felipe Contepomi, 13 - Gonzalo Tiesi, 14 - José María Núñez Piossek, 15 - Juan Martin Hernández.

Reserves: 16 - Pablo Gambarini, 17 - Martín Scelzo, 18 - Martín Schusterman, 19 - Juan Manuel Leguizamón, 20 - Nicolas Fernández Miranda, 21 - Lucas Borges, 22 - Federico Serra.

New Zealand: 1 - Tony Woodcock, 2 - Anton Oliver, 3 - Greg Somerville, 4 - Jason Eaton, 5 - Ali Williams, 6 - Jerry Collins (captain), 7 - Chris Masoe, 8 - Mose Tuiali'i, 9 - Piri Weepu, 10 - Dan Carter, 11 - Scott Hamilton,12 - Sam Tuitupou,13 - Isaia Toeava, 14 - Rico Gear, 15 - Leon MacDonald.

Reserves: 16 - Andrew Hore, 17 - Neemia Tialata, 18 - Troy Flavell, 19 - Craig Newby, 20 - Jimmy Cowan, 21 - Luke McAlister, 22 - Ma'a Nonu.

Referee: Nigel Whitehouse (Wales)

Touch judges: Dave Pearson (England), Eric Darriere (France)

TMO: Giulio De Santis (Italy)

http://www.allblacks.com/index.cfm?layout=displayNews&newsArticle=4085
HEAD TO HEAD STATS (http://stats.allblacks.com/headtohead.asp?team1=NZ&level1=All_Blacks&level2=tests&_oppot2=13)

I say Argentina by 12.
Last time the All Blacks played there they only managed to win in Injury time with a last gasp try.

Well first off, Ireland pwns everyone. Second, Argentina could win. Ireland (Who is placed 5th at the moment) was beating NZ for 71 minutes; Argentina could potentially fair better since they have the home field advantage.

Argentina has donealright against the Welsh who were 6 nations champions last year but are in a slump again but Argentina have also suffered from the player strike.
The last time the team was together was 7 months ago(Before the Welsh tests).

*Watches Game*

This isn't even an issue... there's no doubt the All Blacks will win its just a question of by how much... PUMAS:sniper: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :gundge:

Oh my God! The ref is a complete idiot.

GO Pumas!!!


(and OP, its Argentine, or Argentines, not Argentinians)

Argentinian

adj : of or relating to or characteristic of Argentina or its people; "Argentinian tango" [syn: Argentine, Argentinian]
n : a native or inhabitant of Argentina [syn: Argentinian]

argentine

adj : of or relating to or characteristic of Argentina or its people; "Argentinian tango" [syn: Argentine, Argentinian]
n : any of various small silver-scaled salmon-like marine fishes

adj: Relating to or resembling silver; silvery.
n:
1. Silver.
2. Any of various silvery metals.


Back onto the topic: Yeah, it was a real dumb move pencelling this test in right in the middle of the WC.
More proof that the IRFU hasn't got a fucking clue.

They don't show any Rugby here (Brazil) but I don't care who wins this one. My gut feeling is for the All Blacks by 15 or so.

They don't show any Rugby here (Brazil) but I don't care who wins this one. My gut feeling is for the All Blacks by 15 or so.
Your gut is a bit slow today.
They've already played, and the All Blacks won by 6.
New Zealand 25 Argentina 19
Match report (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=116&objectid=10388259)

Must say - I'm surprised to see a NS'er with the nom-de-plume 'AB again' not being into the All Blacks.

Oh my God! The ref is a complete idiot.
Yes, i loved the way he would stick his hand out one way and then give the penalty the other way.

Yes, i loved the way he would stick his hand out one way and then give the penalty the other way.
Pretty shit.

Shit game too. Boring.

Well first off, Ireland pwns everyone.
Apart from Australia....

Apart from Australia....
Oh.. And New Zealand too.. Yea.

Pretty shit.

Shit game too. Boring.
Apart from the ref who i was giving a 7/10 performance wise accreditation it was alright, his penalty against Somerville in the scrum was a 'WTF' moment.
Mexted and the rest having a go at him was 'BS' he was refing a team whose main language isn't english so of course he is going to need to talk lots in the game.:gundge:

After 15 minutes of the second half i rated th refs performance as 5/10 and finnaly 4/10.

Apart from the ref who i was giving a 7/10 performance wise accreditation it was alright, his penalty against Somerville in the scrum was a 'WTF' moment.
Mexted and the rest having a go at him was 'BS' he was refing a team whose main language isn't english so of course he is going to need to talk lots in the game.:gundge:

After 15 minutes of the second half i rated th refs performance as 5/10 and finnaly 4/10.
Mexted is a FUCKING idiot with no social skills let alone fucking commentatory skills. Ugly prick.. Him and Ian Jones were made for eachother.

Mexted is a FUCKING idiot with no social skills let alone fucking commentatory skills. Ugly prick.. Him and Ian Jones were made for eachother.
Yeah Ian Jones is a meathead but i'd rate him as one of the top 3 locks we've ever had if not the top 2.

ouch! Lot closer than expected.

Any picks for the Tri-Nations? Haven't seen much of the Springboks, but the Wallabies seem to have sorted their forward pack worries.

1. Australia
2= ABs
2= Springboks

AB's
RSA
AUS

I'm Australian, but the All Blacks should smash Argentina.

I'm Australian, but the All Blacks should smash Argentina.
Oh how close it was.
New Zealand 25 Argentina 19
Match report (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=116&objectid=10388259)

Now if you'd just base a Super 14 team there and include them in the Tri-Nations...

Now if you'd just base a Super 14 team there and include them in the Tri-Nations...
South Africa wouldn't enjoy travelling 13 hours to play them and vice versa.:p
Though i agree.
A lot of Argentinas players play in Europe if not all and although they are passionate about their rugby i am not so sure the crowds would fit in in the Super '14'.
Plus the players wouldn't be happy taking a 50% pay cut

Also South Africa would probably throw a sad and wont to join the Six Nations as the RSA i in the same time zone.

The Pacific Rim Cup was alright but now the Churchill Cup has become big which is good and Australia was going to enter an 'A team' in the Pacific Nations cup but now the Junior All Blacks are in.
Don't ask me why.:confused:
Junior is a wanky way of saying New Zealand A without the best Maori' (who would be selected for the New Zealand Maori team) it isn't even Unders 25.

South Africa wouldn't enjoy travelling 13 hours to play them and vice versa.:p
Though i agree.
A lot of Argentinas players play in Europe if not all and although they are passionate about their rugby i am not so sure the crowds would fit in in the Super '14'.
Plus the players wouldn't be happy taking a 50% pay cut

Also South Africa would probably throw a sad and wont to join the Six Nations as the RSA i in the same time zone.

The Pacific Rim Cup was alright but now the Churchill Cup has become big which is good and Australia was going to enter an 'A team' in the Pacific Nations cup but now the Junior All Blacks are in.
Don't ask me why.:confused:
Junior is a wanky way of saying New Zealand A without the best Maori' (who would be selected for the New Zealand Maori team) it isn't even Unders 25.
The time distances arn't that great really, and they'd get bigger crowds than the Westen Force. They couldn't be in the 6N-diffrent bhempsphere-Are you on the Rugby rebels Board mate?

The time distances arn't that great really, and they'd get bigger crowds than the Westen Force. They couldn't be in the 6N-diffrent bhempsphere-Are you on the Rugby rebels Board mate?
TV rating wise they could be but not for another 5 years.
No i am not is it good?

ouch! Lot closer than expected.

Any picks for the Tri-Nations? Haven't seen much of the Springboks, but the Wallabies seem to have sorted their forward pack worries.

1. Australia
2= ABs
2= Springboks
Hard to say.
Wallabies thrashed the Poms, but the Poms have been crap for a year now and show no signs of improving. Also some of their best players were out thru injury.
So can't take much from those results.

ABs on the other hand: Henry's been experimenting with the ABs the last 3 tests. We'vepractically got 2.5 AB teams at present. We saw basically the 2nd 15 in action the last three tests. Said tests were played in autrocious conditions too, which meant the ABs couldn't do much attacking out wide (their biggest strength).
A lot of those players were just given match time against lesser sides. Can't see some of them appearing in the important tri-nations tersts coming up.
Under those conditions, I'd doubt any team would get more than 30 points in a game.

Hard to say.
Wallabies thrashed the Poms, but the Poms have been crap for a year now and show no signs of improving. Also some of their best players were out thru injury.
So can't take much from those results.

You could take it from the ireland mathc-personally I think Ireland where unlucky. The Si are hard as we've just finished a very, very long season-some of our players have pled 2 years without a break. We, the English, are still trying to get ourselves together to be honest, we have the players and the talent and now we have 2 decent coaches. We still have AR though-one of the worse selectors I've seen for a long time. he ignores young in form players (smith, Abbot) and picks old journeymen (Tindall, Noon, Cohen, Balshaw, Borthwick, Tomposon, Corry, dayglo...) instead. We have a large amount of young talent coming through-we just don't blood them, I mean look at my ideal 1st team:

Sheridan
Chunter
Stevens
kay
Jones
Moody
Lund
Sanderson

Ellis
Hodgeson

Varnell
Abbot
Smith
JSD
Lewsey

to his last team when we had every player available:

White
Mears
Stevens
Grewcock
Borthwick
Worzle
Moody
Corry

Dawson
Hodgeson

Cohen
Tindall
Noon
Cueto
Lewsey

He seems to be living about 3 years ago, now these players haev aged yet we still pick em-MAD!

And Harlesburg, Rugby is Argentinas 2nd sport, it could easly support 2 S14 sides, though 1 would be more sensable. Personally I think you should add a Pacific Island Team and a Argentinan team-not another SA and Oz team...

Oh, and: http://www.rugbyrebels.com/bbc_refusniks/ I'm WharfedaleTiger on there.