NationStates Jolt Archive

Here's a hypothetical situation baised on a Movie I saw...

Supposing your State, in an effort to fight Drug abuse, created a synthetic drug. this drug, because it's manufactured by your State, Province, District...etc Government, it's made legal. now some facts about this drug.

1) It is HIGHLY addictive. no one escapes addiction on the first dose.

2) The HIGH, as reported by hard core drug users, is better than any other drug or combo of drugs taken... if fact, they stopped taking all other forms of non pharmaceutical drugs and show no sign of ever using them again.

3) Because the local Government is supplying this, it's cheap. infact, it's practically free.

4) Because it is a synthetic drug, if mixed with anything.. even water, it becomes harmess and inert. thus it cannot be cut, nor can anyone be given a dose without their knowledge.

5) Because it is a synthetic drug, it has a shelf life of a couple of days, after a couple of days, it goes inert and one has a better chance getting high from flour.

6) Withdrawls from the drug is painful... prolonged withdrawals can (not will) lead to death.

7) Areas of your town is marked as drug free, penalties for having this drug and any illegal drugs in drug free zones are increased 10 times.

8) Transportation, distribution, sales or manufacturing this drug outside of the Legal area as well as the State/Province/District is considered a major felony.

9) Registration is required. First time users need to fill out a form, stating they know all about the drug, it's affects, and all conditions that go with this drug. (listed below.) you pay a one time fee... say $20. then after that, party on! The registration process, from the moment they enter the building to after their first hit, is all recorded and stored to show evidence of non-cohersion and full willingness of the regestree. infact, it has happened that people who tried to coherse, force or otherwise get someone addicted against their will is arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law... no matter their position political or otherwise.

10) Operation of any equiptment is prohibited. all professional Licences will be revoked.

11) the drug itself will surplant the sex drive. Addicts are just plain not interested in having any form of sex.

12) Addicts are required to perform community services (picking up trash, cleaning toilets, cleaning grafitti, and even performing menial tasks for private citizens) to get free hits of this drug.

13) Addicts are required to live in a seperate area, there they will be fed, clothed and mass transportation is provided.

14) Any visitors taking this drug becomes a resident... infact, visitors taking this drug, don't want to leave and never leave.

15) The Local Government is required to broadcast and make public all of these facts. they have frequent PSA's broadcast over all transmitted Media, Billboards and flyers everywhere, and even one station on tv and radio dedicated to informing people about this drug. so there is no exscuse, no "I didn't know what I was getting into." reasoning.

so, knowing all this, would you willingly take this drug?

1) It is HIGHLY addictive. no one escapes addiction on the first dose.

...

6) Withdrawls from the drug is painful... prolonged withdrawals can (not will) lead to death.
no. even without #6 (and the rest of it), still no.


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11) the drug itself will surplant the sex drive. Addicts are just plain not interested in having any form of sex.

:eek: :eek: :eek: !!!

Only the starving emaciated street people you see, would take the stuff. Casual recreational drug users would keep doing their thing, knowing that they have a choice about when and where they use the stuff.

I'd feel safer doing dirty crack than a government produced drug.

That drug sounds pretty shitty. It's highly addictive, and one faces serious penalties for using it outside of certain places. Using it would make you virtually a prisoner in the areas where drugs are permitted.

7) Areas of your town is marked as drug free, penalties for having this drug and any illegal drugs in drug free zones are increased 10 times.

8) Transportation, distribution, sales or manufacturing this drug outside of the Legal area as well as the State/Province/District is considered a major felony.

Who the fuck would willingly commit themselves to virtual imprisonment?

Only the starving emaciated street people you see, would take the stuff. Casual recreational drug users would keep doing their thing, knowing that they have a choice about when and where they use the stuff.
even tho the cost of this synthetic drug is much less, uncut, and legal while the others are not?

remember point 7?

7) Areas of your town is marked as drug free, penalties for having this drug and any illegal drugs in drug free zones are increased 10 times.

so you still can't use illegal drugs just anywhere, and penalties for possession of such illegal drugs inside drug free zones are increased.

1) It is HIGHLY addictive. no one escapes addiction on the first dose.
No. Just for that, no.

Nah, I wouldn't use drugs, especially not drugs that double as tools to give the government near total control over its citizens. Everyone's taking it? If they've critiques against the way the country's run, put them on withdrawal. Let's hope it DOESN'T get invented.

No.

Not even this:
2) The HIGH, as reported by hard core drug users, is better than any other drug or combo of drugs taken...
would entice me (and that's really the only positive thing on your list).

And this:
11) the drug itself will surplant the sex drive. Addicts are just plain not interested in having any form of sex.
would merit a "Hell no!" in and of itself. :p

Only the starving emaciated street people you see, would take the stuff. Casual recreational drug users would keep doing their thing, knowing that they have a choice about when and where they use the stuff.And not even all of those. Trust an adict to see the wisdom in being careful about new adictions.

Nah, I wouldn't use drugs, especially not drugs that double as tools to give the government near total control over its citizens. Everyone's taking it? If they've critiques against the way the country's run, put them on withdrawal. Let's hope it DOESN'T get invented.ah, but what if the Government cannot withhold the drug if those taking it adhere to the conditions met. keeping the drugs in legalized areas, not forcing it on others... etc...

after all, in normal trafficking of Illegal Drugs, are not the junkies under the pusher's power? "Awww... Don't have enough money? well, no drugs for you."

A government capable of creating something like this and handing it out for free on a large scale can prolably do whatever it damn well pleases, such as withholding it from infidels/terrorists/communists/capitalists/hippies/midgets/insert other name for group disliked by government here.

A government capable of creating something like this and handing it out for free on a large scale can prolably do whatever it damn well pleases, such as withholding it from infidels/terrorists/communists/capitalists/hippies/midgets/insert other name for group disliked by government here.
If you read post 1, this is Local Government, not Federal. I specifically left out Federal/national.

and according to this poll. perhaps not alot is needed... if at all. :D

realize that there is monitoring to insure fair treatment of the people inside. thus withholding because of a "I just felt like it" won't happen. after all, those people addicted are not recatagorized as non or sub human. so baisic human rights are still looked after, housing, food, clothing... etc...

Meh. The local government here does little more than break up roads and make half-assed attempts to rebuild them. Not every country uses the american government model. :p

Absolutely I would not take this drug. #1, alone, is sufficient to make me run the other way. Frankly, I'd have to suspect the agenda of any government offering such a drug (not that I don't already suspect the agenda of any government, already, but that's another issue).

Before taking the drug:
http://www.outknocked.de/temp/towelie.jpg

taking the drug:
http://fails.org/towelie.jpg

After taking the drug:
http://supersmallgallery.com/London/towelie.jpg

11) the drug itself will surplant the sex drive. Addicts are just plain not interested in having any form of sex.

:eek: No!

I believe the term for this is:
No chance in hell.

If I didn't have any interest in sex, I wonder if I would care that I didn't have any interest in sex... probably not... but #1, 6, and 14 would make it a no for me.

No, I can find other venues for my debauchery that don't require such drastic segregation.

Except for the whole registration thing. And becoming a resident. Yes I would.

1) It is HIGHLY addictive. no one escapes addiction on the first dose.

6) Withdrawls from the drug is painful... prolonged withdrawals can (not will) lead to death.

7) Areas of your town is marked as drug free, penalties for having this drug and any illegal drugs in drug free zones are increased 10 times.

8) Transportation, distribution, sales or manufacturing this drug outside of the Legal area as well as the State/Province/District is considered a major felony.

10) Operation of any equiptment is prohibited. all professional Licences will be revoked.

11) the drug itself will surplant the sex drive. Addicts are just plain not interested in having any form of sex.

13) Addicts are required to live in a seperate area, there they will be fed, clothed and mass transportation is provided.

I like being in control of myself, as much as I possibly can. That is, I want to be able to choose when I want to lose control. Nr 1 and 6 obliterate this possiblity.

7, 8 and 13 mean that you essentially get confined to a small area. Not that bad, but I also like my freedom of movement. In fact, I would argue that addicts are giving up that human right, even if willingly.

10 means I won't be able to really feel success. I want to be able to perform something complicated and professional. I don't think the drug can give a feeling similar to this (nor can any drug). The feeling of success is not something that comes and goes, it's unlike a drug. Without the possibility for a high quality job, I would lose the possibility of success, as an abstract concept. Except in computer games, of course.

11 means I won't be able to have sex. I want sex! ... sometimes.

So that's a no.

haha JuNii that movie was on here last weekend and hubby and I were talking about it on our date last night.

oh, and no we wouldn't get high.

haha JuNii that movie was on here last weekend and hubby and I were talking about it on our date last night.

oh, and no we wouldn't get high. I rented it and saw all the scenes they cut out.

the the girl looking for the "Perfect Man" (tho "Man") was not the word they used. Actually tried to get into O.W. Grant's pants... and succeeded.... much to her sorrow. :D


I found it to be a very thought provoking film... did you?

Yeah, but illegally, as to circumvent the irritating restrictions, and with viagra, it circumvent the sex drive problem.

No, thank you. I quite enjoy my freedom of movement, choices, and sex.

If this is free, wouldn't a large number of people be addicted? If this is the case, then what would happen to the work force? It would completely fall out. You'd have anarchy, possibly tyranny from a brainwashed freak...not at all pleasant.

I think i'd just stick with weed.

I advise you to take 11 out, as sex > best high ever easy.
unfortunatly, 11 was stated as being a side affect. what I didn't metion was the all night partying and free Drug that was distributed every night.

I'll stick with weed :cool:

Who the fuck would willingly commit themselves to virtual imprisonment?

Many people make themselves prisoners of their desires.

I advise you to take 11 out, as sex > best high ever easy.

A good orgasm might be, but I doubt sex in general would make the cut.

No. I try to avoid addictions as they interfere with a person's rationality.

That's why Pot is my drug of choice.

I rented it and saw all the scenes they cut out.

the the girl looking for the "Perfect Man" (tho "Man") was not the word they used. Actually tried to get into O.W. Grant's pants... and succeeded.... much to her sorrow. :D


I found it to be a very thought provoking film... did you?
yeah, we are still discussing it a week later, it was on at like 4am here and we kept watching it and on commercials we were like "that is the most screwed up movie, what the hell is this?"

but we kept watching it anyway, we have had some really good debates, and conversations from watching it, our's friday night about "the drug" lasted about 4 hours LOL, good times..good times. :p

yeah, we are still discussing it a week later, it was on at like 4am here and we kept watching it and on commercials we were like "that is the most screwed up movie, what the hell is this?"

but we kept watching it anyway, we have had some really good debates, and conversations from watching it, our's friday night about "the drug" lasted about 4 hours LOL, good times..good times. :p
here's what's my impression of the flick...

warning Spoilers included.
it's an analogy to faith, not just Religion, but to hold true to your goal, to stand firm against temptation that may cause one to divert from their dreams or from keeping your promises. you have the hitchhiker who temps him with sex, the town with drugs, Mr. Cody and his persuit to end lies, the museam of Art Fraud, the man with the bottomless stomach... one might even say the road is actually purgatory and the end goal salvation.

for those who don't know the movie. its called "Interstate 60" a great film.

I like the speech Christopher Lloyd gives about how our brains are conditioned to see things in a certain way and thus ignores anything that doesn't fit that view.

here's what's my impression of the flick...



for those who don't know the movie. its called "Interstate 60" a great film.

I like the speech Christopher Lloyd gives about how our brains are conditioned to see things in a certain way and thus ignores anything that doesn't fit that view.

I got the same impression, but we have been able to pick certain situations (like the drug) and talk about completely different things, you have to admit it's a crazy movie though, esp. when you have no clue what you are watching at 4am. I thought that the card trick speech was cool, and also I really liked what happened to Kevin Bacon LOL (i hate that guy)

I got the same impression, but we have been able to pick certain situations (like the drug) and talk about completely different things, you have to admit it's a crazy movie though, esp. when you have no clue what you are watching at 4am. I thought that the card trick speech was cool, and also I really liked what happened to Kevin Bacon LOL (i hate that guy)kevin Bacon or Micheal J Fox? the beginning right?

kevin Bacon or Micheal J Fox? the beginning right?
you are right, I got my movies mixed up, and you know.........whatever, you are right, it was Michael J. Fox, he annoys me too though....LOL

I always get some actors confused, mostly just in name, like when I am trying to remember, but when I see them I remember which is which.......it's hard to explain..........did I mention I am a natural blonde? is that a good enough excuse?:D

you are right, I got my movies mixed up, and you know.........whatever, you are right, it was Michael J. Fox, he annoys me too though....LOL

I always get some actors confused, mostly just in name, like when I am trying to remember, but when I see them I remember which is which.......it's hard to explain..........did I mention I am a natural blonde? is that a good enough excuse?:Dbetter not be, since I have to confirm who acted in what with IMDB.com... and I am not a blonde... ;) :fluffle:

better not be, since I have to confirm who acted in what with IMDB.com... and I am not a blonde... ;) :fluffle:
there are only a few actors that I have problems with, actually, and the Kevin Bacon/Michael J. Fox is the most annoying one, because I can't quite figure out my problem.


Others include:

Beau Bridges/Jeff Bridges

Alec Baldwin/William Baldwin

Bill Paxton/ Bill Pullman

and it's not like I see them and can't remember, when I see them I know, but thinking back on movies for some reason I see the wrong guy in the movie, like I see Bill Paxton playing the president in Independance Day even though I know it's not........even though I make the joke every time I see the movie about "President Lonestar" (Spaceballs reference)

I am just screwed up in the head.....it's because I watch tooo many movies.....

and hubby and I play this game like 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon, except we use random actors, and so yeah....it sucks to have this problem, because as soon as you make a mistake, you are out for the round. :(


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*snerk*

I'd make it mandatory in jails. After all, it'd be perfect for keeping them in line. Or mandatory for any political prisoners... The evil possiblities are endless.

Because of #11, no. :p

Here's a hypothetical situation baised on a Movie I saw...

Supposing your State, in an effort to fight Drug abuse, created a synthetic drug. this drug, because it's manufactured by your State, Province, District...etc Government, it's made legal. now some facts about this drug.

1) It is HIGHLY addictive. no one escapes addiction on the first dose.

2) The HIGH, as reported by hard core drug users, is better than any other drug or combo of drugs taken... if fact, they stopped taking all other forms of non pharmaceutical drugs and show no sign of ever using them again.

3) Because the local Government is supplying this, it's cheap. infact, it's practically free.

4) Because it is a synthetic drug, if mixed with anything.. even water, it becomes harmess and inert. thus it cannot be cut, nor can anyone be given a dose without their knowledge.

5) Because it is a synthetic drug, it has a shelf life of a couple of days, after a couple of days, it goes inert and one has a better chance getting high from flour.

6) Withdrawls from the drug is painful... prolonged withdrawals can (not will) lead to death.

7) Areas of your town is marked as drug free, penalties for having this drug and any illegal drugs in drug free zones are increased 10 times.

8) Transportation, distribution, sales or manufacturing this drug outside of the Legal area as well as the State/Province/District is considered a major felony.

9) Registration is required. First time users need to fill out a form, stating they know all about the drug, it's affects, and all conditions that go with this drug. (listed below.) you pay a one time fee... say $20. then after that, party on! The registration process, from the moment they enter the building to after their first hit, is all recorded and stored to show evidence of non-cohersion and full willingness of the regestree. infact, it has happened that people who tried to coherse, force or otherwise get someone addicted against their will is arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law... no matter their position political or otherwise.

10) Operation of any equiptment is prohibited. all professional Licences will be revoked.

11) the drug itself will surplant the sex drive. Addicts are just plain not interested in having any form of sex.

12) Addicts are required to perform community services (picking up trash, cleaning toilets, cleaning grafitti, and even performing menial tasks for private citizens) to get free hits of this drug.

13) Addicts are required to live in a seperate area, there they will be fed, clothed and mass transportation is provided.

14) Any visitors taking this drug becomes a resident... infact, visitors taking this drug, don't want to leave and never leave.

15) The Local Government is required to broadcast and make public all of these facts. they have frequent PSA's broadcast over all transmitted Media, Billboards and flyers everywhere, and even one station on tv and radio dedicated to informing people about this drug. so there is no exscuse, no "I didn't know what I was getting into." reasoning.

so, knowing all this, would you willingly take this drug?



SOMA anyone?