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As FTW has begun to investigate serious discussions by legitimate scientists and academics on the possible “necessity” of reducing the world's population by more than four billion people, no stranger set of circumstances since 9-11-01 adds credibility to this possibility than the suspicious deaths of what may be as many as 12 world-class microbiologists.

FTW - February 14, 2002 -- How many microbiologists does it take to change a light bulb?

Whatever you think the answer may be, change that light bulb soon.

Microbiologists are dropping like flies.

In the five-week period from November 16, 2001 through December 23, 2001, five world-class microbiologists in different parts of the world were reported dead. Four undoubtedly died of "unnatural" causes, while the fifth's death is quite questionable.

In the ten weeks prior to December 12, 2001, two additional microbiologists were killed, and possibly another five. The period also saw the deaths of three Israelis holding high-level positions in either medical research or public health.

On November 16, 2001, Dr. Don C. Wiley, 57, vanished, and his abandoned rental car was found on the Hernando de Soto Bridge outside Memphis, TN.

On December 10, 2001, Dr. David Schwartz, 57, was found murdered in his rural home in Loudon County, Virginia.

On December 12, 2001, Dr. Benito Que was found comatose in the street near the laboratory where he worked at the University of Miami Medical School.

On December 14, 2001, Set Van Nguyen was found dead in the airlock entrance to the walk-in refrigerator in the laboratory he worked at in Victoria State, Australia.

And on December 23, 2001, Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik, 64, was found dead in Wiltshire, England, a village near his home.

Before these deaths, on October 4, 2001, a commercial jetliner traveling from Israel to Novosibirsk, Siberia was shot down over the Black Sea by an "errant" Ukrainian surface-to-air missile, killing all on board. The missile was over 100 miles off-course. Despite early news stories reporting it as a charter, the flight (Air Sibir 1812) was a regularly scheduled flight.

According to several press reports, including a 12/05/01 article by Barry Chamish and one on 1/13/02 by Jim Rarey (both available at www.rense.com), the plane is believed by many in Israel to have had as many as four or five passengers who were microbiologists. Both Israel and Novosibirsk are homes for cutting-edge microbiological research. Novosibirsk is known as the scientific capital of Siberia. There are over 50 research facilities there, and 13 full universities for a population of only 2.5 million people.

At about the time of the Black Sea crash, Israeli journalists had been sounding the alarm that two Israeli microbiologists had been murdered, allegedly by terrorists. On November 24, 2001 a Swissair flight from Berlin to Zurich crashed on its landing approach. 24 of the 33 persons on board were killed, including the head of the Hematology department at Israel's Ichilov Hospital, as well as directors of the Tel Aviv Public Health Department and Hebrew University School of Medicine. They were the only Israelis on the flight. The names of those killed, as reported in a subsequent Israeli news story but not matched to their job titles, were Avishai Berkman, Amiramp Eldor and Yaacov Matzner.

Besides all being microbiologists, the five scientists who died within five weeks of each other pose severe problems with "official" explanations of their deaths. And four of the five were doing virtually identical research; research that has global political and financial significance.
Source here. (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/scientists.htm)

more here, if you have stomach... (http://www.devvy.com/micro_20020424.html)

OK - what's the problem with micro-biologists being dead? (Yes, there's a problem with people, in general, being dead, and yes, there's a problem with the way they died. I mean, what is the significance to the deaths being in that group? What is the point?)

What the?

OK - what's the problem with micro-biologists being dead? (Yes, there's a problem with people, in general, being dead, and yes, there's a problem with the way they died. I mean, what is the significance to the deaths being in that group? What is the point?)


Thats my question. What is the significance of it all?

OK - what's the problem with micro-biologists being dead? (Yes, there's a problem with people, in general, being dead, and yes, there's a problem with the way they died. I mean, what is the significance to the deaths being in that group? What is the point?)
Do you know how to click on links? Can't you think for yourself, for once?

Do you know how to click on links? Can't you think for yourself, for once?


Maybe he/she is like the rest of us and is lazy? Duh!

Do you know how to click on links? Can't you think for yourself, for once?

How dare you! I know how, and I do think for myself. I just asked because I wanted to know whether or not it is worth my time. Clearly it is not. Thank you for clearing everything up for me.

I tried to follow the links, but I mysteriously died before I could.

I was intrigued by the 'possibility of culling 4 billion', khymer rougist-sounding bit. But then it started going on about about a fivesome of microbiologists I've never heard of and thus have no reason to care about.

However, that two thirds of the population probably amounts to two thirds of the people I know (or maybe even me! :O), and as such, I would say that reducing population is a disastrous idea. People are idea-factories, give them the right conditions and they'll come up with brilliant ideas that will likely save us all a lot of hassle in the near future - put them in the situation where they feel their lives are in danger and they'll think of nothing but how to avoid the death squads.

How dare you! I know how, and I do think for myself. I just asked because I wanted to know whether or not it is worth my time. Clearly it is not. Thank you for clearing everything up for me.
Obviously you neither bothered to click the links or even tried to think about the implications of 12 leading scientists working on cures to diseases being murdered or dying under very suspicious circumstances...

Do you know how to click on links? Can't you think for yourself, for once?
After clicking the links I realized...
I don't want to know.

I can think of better ways to spend my time.

There is no spoon.

I wan cake.

Do you know how to click on links? Can't you think for yourself, for once?
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Obviously you neither bothered to click the links or even tried to think about the implications of 12 leading scientists working on cures to diseases being murdered or dying under very suspicious circumstances...

You have a great way of attracting people to respond positively to your thread don't you?

Obviously you neither bothered to click the links or even tried to think about the implications of 12 leading scientists working on cures to diseases being murdered or dying under very suspicious circumstances...

There's the bloody answer I was looking for. If you want people to care, you need to explain what there is to care for. I don't know these people, so while I care that people are dead, I don't know what makes them so special that I need to spend time investigating what happened. Now I know, so now I can or cannot be concerned by their suspicious deaths, depending on what I think (and yes, that does concern the real me).

And no, I didn't click the links because I did not know whether or not it was worth my time to investigate, hence the original question. Maybe you should try to think about the implications of being questioned and what the questions are about.

I was intrigued by the 'possibility of culling 4 billion', khymer rougist-sounding bit. But then it started going on about about a fivesome of microbiologists I've never heard of and thus have no reason to care about.

However, that two thirds of the population probably amounts to two thirds of the people I know (or maybe even me! :O), and as such, I would say that reducing population is a disastrous idea. People are idea-factories, give them the right conditions and they'll come up with brilliant ideas that will likely save us all a lot of hassle in the near future - put them in the situation where they feel their lives are in danger and they'll think of nothing but how to avoid the death squads.
"culling"? funny that i din't see that word anywhere.... don't you mean "reducing" (maybe by birth control, etc)?

There's the bloody answer I was looking for. If you want people to care, you need to explain what there is to care for. I don't know these people, so while I care that people are dead, I don't know what makes them so special that I need to spend time investigating what happened. Now I know, so now I can or cannot be concerned by their suspicious deaths, depending on what I think (and yes, that does concern the real me).

And no, I didn't click the links because I did not know whether or not it was worth my time to investigate, hence the original question. Maybe you should try to think about the implications of being questioned and what the questions are about.
The answer you're looking for is:
Conspiracy theories.

From the last link:
I would like to take a moment to focus on the death of Dr. Tanya Holzmayer who was murdered by a former colleague, who was later found shot to death. An apparent suicide.

How much do you really know about black ops government programs?

Ever see the movie The Manchurian Candidate? Very interesting film and one would consider it blarney, except for the fact that this government of the united States of America, the Ruskies, the Communist Chinese and God only knows who else, have all experimented with and used mind control techniques. This a documented fact, not some conspiracy theory.
I kinda think this is cute though:
Is it possible that there are 'sleepers' in America and other countries who are triggered by certain responses that cause them to act abnormally, even kill people? Since I have the luxury of not having to work for a living, the time I have spent on researching these kinds of issues over the past 11 years is ten thousand times greater than the average person.

Is it possible that there are 'sleepers' in America and other countries who are triggered by certain responses that cause them to act abnormally, even kill people? I say it is. You can agree or disagree, but there is something evil going on here and I'm afraid it's only going to get worse.

And is this meant to help some Bilderberg Group type thing? There's always more microbiologists (meaning people with those skills. I don't mean these PEOPLE as people can be replaced). Killing scientists is unlikely to be helpful. Lets say in 1895 loads of physicists died, including Einstein. Would it have stopped scientific advance? No. Other people were working towards the same ideas.

I tried to follow the links, but I mysteriously died before I could.
BWHAHAHAH

Umm ... coincidence?

... conspiracy? :confused:

... TERRORISTS?! :eek:

So, how many microbiologists total are there in the world, anyway? Unless that is known the significance of such figures isn't.

The answer you're looking for is:
Conspiracy theories.

From the last link:

I kinda think this is cute though:
Conspiracy theory?? These are real killings, not theories... Are you getting paid by someone to write this stuff? If not, investigate or shut the fuck up.

"culling"? funny that i din't see that word anywhere.... don't you mean "reducing" (maybe by birth control, etc)?

Birth control isn't going to reduce population by two thirds... unless we are talking about forced sterilisations.

In which case you would, again, need some kind of leather-clad squad to come drag people out of their homes.

Conspiracy theory?? These are real deaths, not theories... Are you getting paid by someone to write this stuff? If not, investigate or shut the fuck up.

Deaths? Yes.

Theories linking these deaths? Conspiracy theories, yes.

And again with the lovely inviting attitude.

Deaths? Yes.

Theories linking these deaths? Conspiracy theories, yes.

And again with the lovely inviting attitude.
My attitude is nothing compared to what those murderers did to people working to save lives....

My attitude is nothing compared to what those murderers did to people working to save lives....
...which of course entirely justifies it:rolleyes:

And is this meant to help some Bilderberg Group type thing? There's always more microbiologists (meaning people with those skills. I don't mean these PEOPLE as people can be replaced). Killing scientists is unlikely to be helpful. Lets say in 1895 loads of physicists died, including Einstein. Would it have stopped scientific advance? No. Other people were working towards the same ideas.
So if you murder the most clever kid of the class, the second most clever kid becomes as clever as the first? Listen to yourself.

My attitude is nothing compared to what those murderers did to people working to save lives....

Yes, but your attitude is going to put off everyone who might want to help. Which means your attitude is HELPING the murderers, since we'll automatically brush it off as conspiracy theory.

Assis, this is just ridiculous. You post something, assuming that everyone will go "Oh Assis, thank you so much, we now will think exactly as you do", then when people point out the flaws you get angry. You gotta be a bit more... debating, rather than ranting.

Liasia']...which of course entirely justifies it:rolleyes:
Every time something suspicious happens in the world today, it's a "conspiracy theory" and therefore "ludicrous". People are sounding like bloody blind sheep and it pisses me off. They prefer to trust people like George Bush, Donald Rumsfeld and Tony Blair... Liars and criminals...

So if you murder the most clever kid of the class, the second most clever kid becomes as clever as the first? Listen to yourself.

Newton himself talked about standing on the shoulders of giants. Its all down to working, not some ephemeral genius. Things don't happen cos you wish. You're sounding like some teenager wishing for superpowers so he can make things the way he wants them to be...

Okay, that seems like coincidence to me. Do you know how many microbiologists there actually are around the world? I'd say 12 dead isn't a drop in the bucket o'biologists.

And why the assumption that 'reducing the world's population by 4 billion' means killing 4 billion, as opposed to controlling population growth through birth control?

Am I the only person who doesn't understand how
As FTW has begun to investigate serious discussions by legitimate scientists and academics on the possible “necessity” of reducing the world's population by more than four billion people relates to murdered microbiologists? (admittedly I didn't click the links but after scrolling down the page it doesn't seem like I've missed out)

Assis - did you create this thread just so you could act aggressively to everyone who posts?!:confused:

Every time something suspicious happens in the world today, it's a "conspiracy theory" and therefore "ludicrous". People are sounding like bloody blind sheep and it pisses me off. They prefer to trust people like George Bush, Donald Rumsfeld and Tony Blair... Liars and criminals...

Yeah, thats it alright. We don't agree with you, so we automatically trust Donald Rumsfeld. Naturally.

Maybe if you quit whining about a problem that might only affect our great grandchildren, instead of the more pertinent world-ending issues today (like Iran/North Korea nuclear weapons programmes, continuing and ever increasing terrorism, increasing poverty, shortage of available drinking water, sea levels rising....) you'd get a more sympathetic ear.

Take your own advice: Shut the fuck up or do something about it.

Okay, question - who are FTW? Who are these "legitimate" scientists? What does that even mean? None of them were committing a crime at the time of the asking?

Conspiracy theory?? These are real killings, not theories... Are you getting paid by someone to write this stuff? If not, investigate or shut the fuck up.
No I'm not getting paid enough to write this stuff. And just because I work for a government agency it doesn't mean I'm part of The Conspiracy - or any conspiracy for that matter, because ahahahaha there is no conspiracy!
Fnord

Assis, this is just ridiculous. You post something, assuming that everyone will go "Oh Assis, thank you so much, we now will think exactly as you do", then when people point out the flaws you get angry. You gotta be a bit more... debating, rather than ranting.
What flaws?????? There are no flaws on the fact that their killings were suspicious and without an apparent motif. The brit was found murdered in a locked house in a blood-splattered room. The investigation to his death was dropped...

What flaws?????? There are no flaws on the fact that their killings were suspicious and without an apparent motif. The brit was found murdered in a locked house in a blood-splattered room. The investigation to his death was dropped...

There was no motif? I thought motifs could only happen in books/movies in the first place?

Anyway, the flaws are in what it means and the conclusions being jumped to, not the killings themselves and that they're suspicious.

Yeah, thats it alright. We don't agree with you, so we automatically trust Donald Rumsfeld. Naturally.

Maybe if you quit whining about a problem that might only affect our great grandchildren, instead of the more pertinent world-ending issues today (like Iran/North Korea nuclear weapons programmes, continuing and ever increasing terrorism, increasing poverty, shortage of available drinking water, sea levels rising....) you'd get a more sympathetic ear.

Take your own advice: Shut the fuck up or do something about it.
I don't need to shut the fuck up because I already do something about it. I've been working for 5 years on environmental projects and with charities. I've lost my financial comfort as a result. Can you say the same?

I don't need to shut the fuck up because I already do something about it. I've been working for 5 years on environmental projects and with charities. I've lost my financial comfort as a result. Can you say the same?
But what have you done to fight the global masters?? :eek:
Actually, the statistical likelihood of all these deaths in so short a period of time beats the dead FOB's (Friends of Bill Clinton) hands down. Who invented something that the global masters didn't want the vast unwashed to have access to? A cure for AIDS? A Vaccine? Sustainable something or other? DNA sequencing for longer life, which means more people live longer and the global masters certainly don't want that?

I don't need to shut the fuck up because I already do something about it. I've been working for 5 years on environmental projects and with charities. I've lost my financial comfort as a result. Can you say the same?

Well good for you. What do you want? A medal?

Yes, I can say the same that I have been following my career path into what I enjoy doing, and doing my part for international relations, yes.

Thats the conspiracy! Hiding the fact that... there is no conspiracy...

Flaws? Ok. 12 scientists in one field die in a couple years, about 50% in suspicious circumstances. Well... how many postmen die each year in suspicious circumstances? Or writers of mystery fiction? Or voice actors? Does their job ACTUALLY have relevance to their deaths? Maybe the "brit" was murdered due to his job. How does that relate to killing 4 billion people? Could be industial sabotage... Or a rival in the field? You assume things because it suits what you want to think. Open your mind and start thinking for yourself.

I read through part of the first link, and it certainly READS like a typical CT tract.

At least one of the deaths cited didn't sound particularly ominous or suspicious. Dr. Wiley had a health issue that precluded him drinking booze, so he went and drank booze and went for a drive. The article itself leads one to believe he comitted suicide.

Here's more (includes the first 12 mentioned):
Chronology of Dead Scientists

2001
#1-5: Five Unnamed Microbiologists. Died: October 4, 2001 Four of Five unnamed microbiologists on a plane that was brought down by a missile near the Black sea on the Russian border. Traveling from Israel to Russia; business not disclosed. Three scientists were experts in medical research or public health. The plane is believed by many in Israel to have had as many as four or five passengers who were microbiologists. Both Israel and Novosibirsk are homes for cutting-edge microbiological research. Novosibirsk is known as the scientific capital of Siberia. There are over 50 research facilities there, and 13 full universities for a population of only 2.5 million people.

#6: Dr. Benito Que, Age: 52. Found Comatose: November 12, 2001. Died later in hospital. Found in the street near the laboratory where he worked at the University of Miami Medical School. He was a cell biologist, involved in research on aids, oncology research in the hematology department.

#7-#9: Avishai Berkman, Amiramp Eldor and Yaacov Matzner Died: November 24, 2001 Another airplane crash kills 3 scientists. At about the time of the Black Sea crash, Israeli journalists had been sounding the alarm that two Israeli microbiologists had been murdered, allegedly by terrorists; including the head of the Hematology department at Israel's Ichilov Hospital, as well as directors of the Tel Aviv Public Health Department and Hebrew University School of Medicine. Five microbiologists in this list of the first eight people that died mysteriously in airplane crashes worked on cutting edge microbiology research. Four of the five were doing virtually identical research - research that has global political and financial significance.

#10: Dr. David Schwartz, Age: 57. Died: December 10, 2001. Murdered by stabbing in rural home Loudon County, Virginia. He was extremely well respected in biophysics, and regarded as an authority on DNA sequencing. Three teens who were into the occult were charged with murder in the slashing death.

#11: Dr. Set Van Nguyen, Died: December 14, 2001. Found dead in the airlock entrance to the walk-in refrigerator in the laboratory he worked at in Victoria State, Australia. The room was full of deadly gas which had leaked from a liquid nitrogen cooling system. Room was vented. Working on a vaccine to protect against biological weapons, or a weapon itself. In January, 2001, the magazine Nature published information that two scientists, Dr. Ron Jackson and Dr. Ian Ramshaw, using genetic manipulation and DNA sequencing, had created an incredibly virulent form of mousepox, a cousin of smallpox and Dr. Nguyen had worked for 15 years at the same Australian facility.

#12: Dr. Don Wiley Age: 57, Vanished December 16, 2001. Howard Hughes Medical Institute, Harvard University, top Deadly Contagious Virus expert, vanished; abandoned rental car was found on the Hernando de Soto Bridge outside Memphis, TN. He was heavily involved in research on DNA sequencing, and was last seen at around midnight on November 16, leaving the St. Jude's Children's Research Advisory Dinner at The Peabody Hotel in Memphis, TN. Associates attending the dinner said he showed no signs of intoxication, and no one has admitted to drinking with him.

#13: Dr. Vladimer Pasechnik Age: 64, Found Dead: December 23, 2001. Found dead in Wiltshire, England, a village near his home. He had defected from Russia to UK. He had been the #1 scientist in the FSU's bioweapons program. It was thought he was involved with exhuming the bodies of the 10 London victims of the 1919 Type A flu epidemic. Pasechnik died six weeks after the planned exhumations were announced. On November 23, 2001, Pasechnik's death was reported in the New York Times as having occurred two days earlier. Pasechnik's death was made in the United States by Dr. Christopher Davis of Virginia, who stated that the cause of death was a stroke. Dr. Davis was the member of British intelligence who de-briefed Dr. Pasechnik at the time of his defection. Pasechnik was heavily involved in DNA sequencing research. He had just founded a company like three other microbiologists working to provide powerful alternatives to antibiotics. Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik was the boss of William C. Patrick III who holds five patents on the militarized anthrax used by the United States. Patrick is now a private biowarfare consultant to the military and CIA. Patrick developed the process by which anthrax spores could be concentrated at the level of one trillion spores per gram. No other country has been able to get concentrations above 500 billion per gram. The anthrax that was sent around the eastern United States last fall was concentrated at one trillion spores per gram.

2002
#14: Dr. Alexi Brushlinski. Died: January 2002. Russian Microbiologist. Murdered, and Brushlinski was killed in Moscow. Well known around the world and members of the Russian Academy of Science.

#15: Dr. Ivan Glebov. Died: January 2002 Russian Microbiologist. Glebov died as the result of a bandit attack. Well known around the world and members of the Russian Academy of Science.

#16: Dr. Vladamir Korshunov Age: 56. Died: February 9, 2002. Found dead on a Moscow street. Head was bashed in. Korshunov was head of the microbiology sub-facility at the Russian State Medical University. He was found dead in the entrance to his home with a head injury. On Feb. 9 the Russian newspaper Pravda reported that Korshunov had probably invented either a vaccine to protect against biological weapons, or a weapon itself.

#17: Dr. Ian Langford Age: 40, Died: February 12, 2002. A Russian who was a Senior Research Associate in CSERGE, UK. He was a leading university research scientist working on Global Environment, specializing in links between human health and the environment risk, was found dead at his blood-spattered and apparently ransacked home. Specialist in leukemia and infections.

#18: Tanya Holzmayer 46, Died: February 28, 2002: Two dead microbiologists in San Francisco: While taking delivery of a pizza, Tanya Holzmayer was shot and killed by a colleague, Guyang Huang, 38, who then apparently shot himself. Holzmayer moved to the US from Russia in 1989. Her research focused on the part of the human molecular structure that could be affected best by medicine. Holzmayer was focusing on helping create new drugs that interfere with replication of the virus that causes AIDS. One year earlier, Holzmayer obeyed senior management orders to fire Huang.

#19: Dr. David Wynn-Williams Age: 55 Died: March 24, 2002. Hit by a car while jogging near his home in Cambridge, England. He was an astrobiologist with the Antarctic Astrobiology Project and the NASA Ames Research Center. He was studying the capability of microbes to adapt to environmental extremes, including the bombardment of ultraviolet rays and global warming.

#20: Steven Mostow, Age: 63, Died: March 25, 2002. One of the country's leading infectious disease and bioterrorism experts and was associate dean at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center. He died in a plane crash near Centennial Airport. He was known as "Dr. Flu" for his expertise in treating influenza, and expertise on bioterrorism. Mostow was one of the country's leading infectious disease experts.

#21: Roman Kuzmin 24-year-old Russian surgeon studying in Connecticut was fatally struck by a car as he fled a store with three stolen rolls of film, police said. He was studying to be an orthopedic surgeon.

2003
NOTE: More than 310 Iraqi scientists are thought to have perished at the hands of Israeli secret agents in Iraq since fall of Baghdad to US troops in April 2003.

#22: Dr. Leland Rickman, Age: 47. Died June 24, 2003. UC San Diego expert on infectious diseases and, since Sept. 11, 2001 a consultant on bioterrorism. He was 47. Rickman died while on a teaching assignment in Lesotho, a small country bordered on all sides by South Africa. He had complained of a headache, but the cause of death was not immediately known. The physician had been working in Lesotho with Dr. Chris Mathews, director of the UC San Diego Medical Center's Owen Clinic, teaching African medical personnel about the prevention and treatment of AIDS. Rickman, the incoming president of the Infectious Disease Assn. of California, was a multidisciplinary professor and practitioner with expertise in infectious diseases, internal medicine, epidemiology, microbiology and antibiotic utilization

#23: David Kelly, Died: July 18, 2003. British biological weapons expert, was said to have slashed his own wrists while walking near his home. Kelly was the Ministry of Defence's chief scientific officer and senior adviser to the proliferation and arms control secretariat, and to the Foreign Office's non-proliferation department. The senior adviser on biological weapons to the UN biological weapons inspections teams (Unscom) from 1994 to 1999, he was also, in the opinion of his peers, pre-eminent in his field, not only in this country, but in the world.

#24: Michael Perich, Age: 46. Died: October 11, 2003. Died in one-vehicle car accident. The LSU West Nile research scientist was wearing his seat belt and drowned. He was LSU professor who helped fight the spread of the West Nile virus.

#25: Robert Leslie Burghoff Age: 45. Died November 20, 2003. Scientist. Killed by a hit and run driver that jumped the kerb and ploughed into him in the 1600 block of South Braeswood, Texas. He was studying the virus plaguing cruise ships. April 2004: Mohammed Munim al-Izmerly, a distinguished Iraqi chemistry professor dies in American custody from a sudden hit to the back of his head caused by blunt trauma. It was uncertain exactly how he died, but someone had hit him from behind, possibly with a bar or a pistol. His battered corpse turned up at Baghdad's morgue and the cause of death was initially recorded as "brainstem compression". It was discovered that US doctors had made a 20cm incision in his skull.

2004
#26: Robert Shope, Age: 74, Died: January 23, 2004. Virus Expert Who Warned of Epidemics, Dies died of lung transplant complications. Later purported to have died of Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis which can be caused by either environmental stimulus or a VIRUS. Dr. Shope led the group of scientists who had an 11 MILLION dollar fed grant to ensure the new lab would keep in the nasty bugs. Dr. Shope also met with and worked with Dr. Mike Kiley on the UTMB Galveston lab upgrade to BSL 4. When the upgrade would be complete the lab will host the most hazardous pathogens known to man especially tropical and emerging diseases as well as bioweapons.

#27: Dr. Michael Patrick Kiley, Age: 62. Died: January 24, 2004. Expert on Mad Cow and Ebola. He had a good heart, but it ‘gave out’ and death ruled heart failure.

#28: Vadake Srinivasan Died: March 13, 2004. Microbiologist crashed car into guard rail and ruled a stroke.

#29 Unnamed. Age: Unknown. Died: May 5, 2004: A Russian scientist at a former Soviet biological weapons laboratory in Siberia died after an accident with a needle laced with ebola. Scientists and officials said the accident had raised concerns about safety and secrecy at the State Research Center of Virology and Biotechnology, known as Vector, which in Soviet times specialized in turning deadly viruses into biological weapons. Vector has been a leading recipient of aid in an American programme.

#30: William T. McGuire , Age: 39 Body Found May 5, 2004, last seen late April 2004. Body found in 3 Suitcases floating in Chesapeake Bay. Was NJ University Professor and Senior programmer analyst and adjunct professor at the New Jersey Institute of Technology in Newark.

#31: Dr. Eugene Mallove, Age: 56. Died: May 14, 2004. Murdered in attack at end of his driveway. Alt. Energy Expert who was working on viable energy alternative program and announcement. Norwich Free Academy graduate. Beaten to death during an alleged robbery. Mallove was well respected for his knowledge of cold fusion. He had just published an “open letter” outlining the results of and reasons for his last 15 years in the field of “new energy research.” Dr. Mallove was convinced it was only a matter of months before the world would actually see a free energy device.

#32: Antonina Presnyakova Died: May 25, 2004. Former Soviet biological weapons laboratory in Siberia has died after accidentally sticking herself with a needle laced with Ebola Russian scientist dies in Ebola accident at former weapons lab.

#33: Thomas Gold. Died: June 22, 2004. Austrian born Thomas Gold famous over the years for a variety of bold theories that flout conventional wisdom died of heart failure. Gold’s theory of the deep hot biosphere holds important ramifications for the possibility of life on other planets, including seemingly inhospitable planets within our own solar system. He was Professor Emeritus of Astronomy at Cornell University and was the founder (and for 20 years director) of Cornell Center for Radiophysics and Space Research. He was also involved in air accident investigation.

#34: Dr. Assefa Tulu, Age: 45. Died: June 24, 2004. Found dead in his office. Dallas County Epidemiologist.

#35 Dr Paul Norman, Age: 52. Died: June 27, 2004. Of Salisbury Wiltshire. Killed when the single-engine Cessna 206 he was piloting crashed in Devon. Expert in chemical and biological weapons. He traveled the world lecturing on defending against the scourge of weapons of mass destruction. He was married with a 14-year-old son and a 20-year-old daughter, and was the chief scientist for chemical and biological defence at the Ministry of Defence’s laboratory at Porton Down, Wiltshire. The crash site was examined by officials from the Air Accidents Investigation Branch and the wreckage of the aircraft was removed from the site to the AAIB base at Farnborough.

#36: John Mullen Age: 67. Died: June 29, 2004. A Nuclear physicist poisoned with a huge dose of arsenic. A nuclear research scientist with McDonnell Douglas dies from a huge dose of poisonous arsenic. Police investigating will not say how Mullen was exposed to the arsenic or where it came from. At the time of his death he was doing contract work for Boeing.

#37: Dr Bassem al-Mudares. Died July 21, 2004. Mutilated body was found in the city of Samarra, Iraq*. He was a Ph.D. chemist and had been tortured before being killed.

#38: Dr. John Badwey, Age 54. Died: July 21, 2004. Scientist and accidental politician when he opposed disposal of sewage waste program of exposing humans to sludge. Suddenly developed pneumonia like symptoms then died in two weeks. Biochemist at Harvard Medical School specializing in infectious diseases.

#39: Professor John Clark, Age: 52, Died: August 12, 2004. Found hanged in his holiday home. An expert in animal science and biotechnology where he developed techniques for the genetic modification of livestock; this work paved the way for the birth, in 1996, of Dolly the sheep, the first animal to have been cloned from an adult. Head of the science lab which created Dolly the sheep. Prof Clark led the Roslin Institute in Midlothian, one of the world’s leading animal biotechnology research centres. He played a crucial role in creating the transgenic sheep that earned the institute worldwide fame. Prof Clark also founded three spin-out firms from Roslin - PPL Therapeutics, Rosgen and Roslin BioMed.

#40: Mohammed Toki Hussein al-Talakani Died: September 5, 2004: Iraqi nuclear scientist* was shot dead in Mahmudiya, south of Baghdad. He was a practising nuclear physicist since 1984.

#41: Matthew Allison Age: 32. Died: October 13, 2004. Fatal explosion of a car parked at an Osceola County, Fla., Wal-Mart store was no accident, Local 6 News has learned. Found inside a burned car. Witnesses said the man left the store at about 11 p.m. and entered his Ford Taurus car when it exploded. Investigators said they found a Duraflame log and propane canisters on the front passenger's seat.

#42: John R. La Montagne, Died: November 2, 2004. Died while in Mexico, no cause stated. Ph.D., Head of US Infectious Diseases unit under Tommie Thompson. Was NIAID Deputy Director.

#43: Taleb Ibrahim al-Daher Died: December 21, 2004: Iraqi nuclear scientist was shot dead north of Baghdad by unknown gunmen. He was on his way to work at Diyala University when armed men opened fire on his car as it was crossing a bridge in Baqouba, 57 km northeast of Baghdad. The vehicle swerved off the bridge and fell into the Khrisan river. Al-Daher, who was a professor at the local university, was removed from the submerged car and rushed to Baqouba hospital where he was pronounced dead.

#44 and 45: Tom Thorne and Beth Williams Died: December 29, 2004 Two wild life scientists, Husband-and-wife wildlife veterinarians who were nationally prominent experts on chronic wasting disease and brucellosis were killed in a snowy-weather crash on U.S. 287 in northern Colorado.

2005
#46: Jeong H. Im Age: 72. Died: January 7, 2005. Korean Jeong H. Im, retired research assistant professor at the University of Missouri - Columbia and primarily a protein chemist, died of multiple stab wounds to the chest before firefighters found in his body in the trunk of a burning car on the third level of the Maryland Avenue Garage. MUPD with the assistance of the Columbia Police Department and Columbia Fire Department are conducting a death investigation of the incident. A person of interest described as a male 6’ – 6’2” wearing some type of mask possible a painters mask or drywall type mask was seen in the area of the Maryland Avenue Garage. Researcher, retired protein chemist, was found in the burning trunk of his car with stab wounds to the chest.

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And lets say 12 microbiologists discover something "the masters" (sounds like a bad buffy script. clearly not written by Joss) find something suspect. They get killed. Would we know? Its surely possible for a well trained and equipped agent to kill without it being obvious. Anurysms. Heart attacks. Strokes. Car accidents. Accidental poisoning. Give me a little while and I could give you 12 different ways to do it as well...

And one last thing! (urg, i'm sounding terrible here). Microbiology involves contact with a wide variety of hazmats and a lot of travel to different labs and so on. If 100 policemen died in the same period, or a 1000 soldiers, or even say 500 sewage workers, would we be suprised?

And one last thing! (urg, i'm sounding terrible here). Microbiology involves contact with a wide variety of hazmats and a lot of travel to different labs and so on. If 100 policemen died in the same period, or a 1000 soldiers, or even say 500 sewage workers, would we be suprised?
500 SEWAGE WORKERS ARE DEAD?!??!

Clearly this is a well-orchestrated conspiracy to drown humanity in our own sewage. As to who is responsible, there is only one possiblity ... CRAB PEOPLE! :eek:

Here's more (includes the first 12 mentioned):
Source? (i.e a reputable one?)

And one last thing! (urg, i'm sounding terrible here). Microbiology involves contact with a wide variety of hazmats and a lot of travel to different labs and so on. If 100 policemen died in the same period, or a 1000 soldiers, or even say 500 sewage workers, would we be suprised?
The vast majority of these people died violently outside work, while they were alone... Your comparison is ridiculous.

500 SEWAGE WORKERS ARE DEAD?!??!

Clearly this is a well-orchestrated conspiracy to drown humanity in our own sewage. As to who is responsible, there is only one possiblity ... CRAB PEOPLE! :eek:
Fnord

Not from my brief reading of that big list.

Plane crashes - well, yeah, happens. Especially if you're always flying around the place. Same for other crashes.

Diseases - well, duh.

Work accident - one guy was asphyixiated by nitrogen (very easy). Again, duh.

Violent assault - why would someone attack a microbiologist? I dunno, but maybe they seem good targets for muggers? They'd be reasonably wealthy looking.

Fnord
I HAVE SEEN THE FNORD!
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How many Microbiologists have died in total in the past 6 years? And as for these being experts? The nature of the masters degree is to make everyone an expert on something. Indeed, everyone is THE expert on something.

Looks like the list doesn't end...
#79:* Lee Jong-woo, age 61. Died: May 22, 2006 after suffering a blood clot on the brain. Lee was spearheading the organization's fight against global threats from bird flu, AIDS and other infectious diseases. WHO director-general since 2003, Lee was his country's top international official. The affable South Korean, who liked to lighten his press conferences with jokes, was a keen sportsman with no history of ill-health, according to officials.


Died 2005
#78:* Leonid Strachunsky. Died: June 8, 2005 after being hit on the head with a champagne bottle. Strachunsky specialized in creating microbes resistant to biological weapons. Strachunsky was found dead in his hotel room in Moscow, where hed come from Smolensk en route to the United States. Investigators are looking for a connection between the murder of this leading bio weapons researcher and the hepatitis outbreak in Tver, Russia.

#77:* Robert J. Lull, age 66. Died: May 19, 2005 of multiple stab wounds. Despite his missing car and apparent credit card theft, homicide Inspector Holly Pera said investigators aren't convinced that robbery was the sole motive for Lull's killing. She said a robber would typically have taken more valuables from Lull's home than what the killer left with. Lull had been chief of nuclear medicine at San Francisco General Hospital since 1990 and served as a radiology professor at UCSF. He was past president of the American College of Nuclear Physicians and the San Francisco Medical Society and served as editor of the medical society's journal, San Francisco Medicine, from 1997 to 1999. Lee Lull said her former husband was a proponent of nuclear power and loved to debate his political positions with others.

#76:* Todd Kauppila, age 41. Died: May 8, 2005 of hemorrhagic pancreatitis at the Los Alamos hospital, according to the state medical examiner's office.* Picture of him was not available to due secret nature of his work. This is his funeral picture.* His death came two days after Kauppila publicly rejoiced over news that the lab's director was leaving.* Kauppila was fired by director Pete Nanos on Sept. 23, 2004 following a security scandal.* Kauppila said he was fired because he did not immediately return from a family vacation during a lab investigation into two classified computer disks that were thought to be missing. The apparent security breach forced Nanos to shut down the lab for several weeks. Kauppila claimed he was made a scapegoat over the disks, which investigators concluded never existed. The mistake was blamed on a clerical error.* After he was fired, Kauppila accepted a job as a contractor at Bechtel Nevada Corp., a research company that works with Los Alamos and other national laboratories.*He was also working on a new Scatter Reduction Grids in Megavolt Radiography focused on metal plates or crossed grids to act to stop the scattered radiation while allowing the unscattered or direct rays to pass through with other scientists: Scott Watson (LANL, DX-3), Chuck Lebeda (LANL, XTA),* Alan Tubb (LANL, DX-8), and Mike Appleby (Tecomet Thermo Electron Corp.)

#75:*David Banks, age 55. Died: May 8, 2005. Banks, based in North Queensland, died in an airplane crash, along with 14 others. He was known as an Agro Genius inventing the mosquito trap used for cattle. Banks was the principal scientist with quarantine authority, Biosecurity Australia, and heavily involved in protecting Australians from unwanted diseases and pests. Most of Dr Banks' work involved preventing potentially devastating diseases making their way into Australia. He had been through Indonesia looking at the potential for foot and mouth disease to spread through the archipelago and into Australia. Other diseases he had fought to keep out of Australian livestock herds and fruit orchards include classical swine fever, Nipah virus and Japanese encephalitis.

#74 Dr. Douglas James Passaro, age 43. Died April 18, 2005 from unknown cause in Oak Park, Illinois. Dr. Passaro was a brilliant epidemiologist who wanted to unlock the secrets of a spiral-shaped bacteria that causes stomach disease. He was a professor who challenged his students with real-life exercises in bioterrorism. He was married to Dr. Sherry Nordstrom..



#73:* Geetha Angara, age 43. Died: February 8, 2005. This formerly missing chemist was found in a Totowa, New Jersey water treatment plant's tank. Angara, 43, of Holmdel, was last seen on the night of Feb. 8 doing water quality tests at the Passaic Valley Water Commission plant in Totowa, where she worked for 12 years. Divers found her body in a 35-foot-deep sump opening at the bottom of one of the emptied tanks. Investigators are treating Angara's death as a possible homicide. Angara, a senior chemist with a doctorate from New York University, was married and mother of three.


#72:* Jeong H. Im, age 72. Died: January 7, 2005. Korean Jeong H. Im, died of multiple stab wounds to the chest before firefighters found in his body in the trunk of a burning car on the third level of the Maryland Avenue Garage. *A retired research assistant professor at the University of Missouri - Columbia and primarily a protein chemist, MUPD with the assistance of the Columbia Police Department and Columbia Fire Department are conducting a death investigation of the incident. A "person of interest" described as a male 6'–6'2" wearing some type of mask possible a painters mask or drywall type mask was seen in the area of the Maryland Avenue Garage. Dr. Im was primarily a protein chemist and he was a researcher in the field.


Died in 2004


#s70-71:* om Thorne, age 64; Beth Williams, age 53; Died: December 29, 2004. Two wild life scientists, Husband-and-wife wildlife veterinarians who were nationally prominent experts on chronic wasting disease and brucellosis were killed in a snowy-weather crash on U.S. 287 in northern Colorado.


#69:* Taleb Ibrahim al-Daher. Died: December 21, 2004. Iraqi nuclear scientist was shot dead north of Baghdad by unknown gunmen. He was on his way to work at Diyala University when armed men opened fire on his car as it was crossing a bridge in Baqouba, 57 km northeast of Baghdad. The vehicle swerved off the bridge and fell into the Khrisan river. Al-Daher, who was a professor at the local university, was removed from the submerged car and rushed to Baqouba hospital where he was pronounced dead.


#68:* John R. La Montagne, age 61. Died: November 2, 2004.* Died while in Mexico, no cause stated, later disclosed as pulmonary embolism.* PhD, Head of US Infectious Diseases unit under Tommie Thompson.* Was NIAID Deputy Director.* Expert in AIDS Program work and Microbiology and Infectious Diseases.

#67:* Matthew Allison, age 32.* Died: October 13, 2004. Fatal explosion of a car parked at an Osceola County, Fla., Wal-Mart store.* It was no accident, Local 6 News has learned. Found inside a burned car. Witnesses said the man left the store at about 11 p.m. and entered his Ford Taurus car when it exploded. Investigators said they found a Duraflame log and propane canisters on the front passenger's seat.* Allison had a college degree in molecular biology and biotechnology.

#66:* Mohammed Toki Hussein al-Talakani, age 40. Died:*September 5, 2004: Iraqi nuclear scientist was shot dead in Mahmudiya, south of Baghdad. He was a practicing nuclear physicist since 1984.

#65:* Professor John Clark,* Age 52, Died: August 12, 2004.* Found hanged in his holiday home.* An expert in animal science and biotechnology where he developed techniques for the genetic modification of livestock; this work paved the way for the birth, in 1996, of Dolly the sheep, the first animal to have been cloned from an adult.* Head of the science lab which created Dolly the sheep.** Prof Clark led the Roslin Institute in Midlothian, one of the world s leading animal biotechnology research centers. He played a crucial role in creating the transgenic sheep that earned the institute worldwide fame. He was put in charge of a project to produce human proteins (which could be used in the treatment of human diseases) in sheep's milk. Clark and his team focused their study on the production of the alpha-I-antitryps in protein, which is used for treatment of cystic fibrosis. Prof Clark also founded three spin-out firms from Roslin - PPL Therapeutics, Rosgen and Roslin BioMed.

#64: **Dr. John Badwey, age 54. Died: July 21, 2004.* Scientist and accidental politician when he opposed disposal of sewage waste program of exposing humans to sludge.* Suddenly developed pneumonia like symptoms then died in two weeks.* Biochemist at Harvard Medical School specializing in infectious diseases.

#63:* Dr. Bassem al-Mudares.* Died: July 21, 2004.* Mutilated body was found in the city of Samarra, Iraq*. He was a Phd. chemist and had been tortured before being killed. He was a drug company worker who had a chemistry doctorate.


#62: Professor Stephen Tabet, age 42. Died on July 6, 2004 from an unknown illness. He was an associate professor and epidemiologist at the University of Washington. A world-renowned HIV doctor and researcher who worked with HIV patients in a vaccine clinical trial for the HIV Vaccine Trials Network

#61: Dr. Larry Bustard, age 53. Died July 2, 2004 from unknown causes. He was a Sandia scientist in the Department of Energy who helped develop a foam spray to clean up congressional buildings and media sites during the anthrax scare in 2001. He worked at Sandia National Laboratories in Albuquerque. As an expert in bioterrorism, his team came up with a new technology used against biological and chemical agents.

#60: Edward Hoffman, age 62. Died July 1, 2004 from unknown causes. Hoffman was a professor and a scientist who also held leadership positions within the UCLA medical community. He worked to develop the first human PET scanner in 1973 at Washington University in St. Louis.

#59:* John Mullen, age 67. Died: June 29, 2004.* A Nuclear physicist poisoned with a huge dose of arsenic.* A nuclear research scientist with McDonnell Douglas. Police investigating will not say how Mullen was exposed to the arsenic or where it came from. At the time of his death he was doing contract work for Boeing.

#58:* Dr. Paul Norman, age 52. Died: June 27, 2004.**From Salisbury Wiltshire.* Killed when the single-engine Cessna 206 he was piloting crashed in Devon.* Expert in chemical and biological weapons. He traveled the world lecturing on defending against the scourge of weapons of mass destruction.* He was married with a 14-year-old son and a 20-year-old daughter, and was the chief scientist for chemical and biological defense at the Ministry of Defense's laboratory at Porton Down, Wiltshire. The crash site was examined by officials from the Air Accidents Investigation Branch and the wreckage of the aircraft was removed from the site to the AAIB base at Farnborough.

#57: Dr. Assefa Tulu, age 45. Died: June 24, 2004.* Dr. Tulu joined the health department in 1997 and served for five years as the county's lone epidemiologist. He was charged with trackcing the health of the county, including the spread of diseases, such as syphilis, AIDS and measles. He also designed a system for detecting a bioterrorism attack involving viruses or bacterial agents. Tulu often coordinated efforts to address major health concerns in Dallas County, such as the West Nile virus outbreaks of the past few years, and worked with the media to inform the public. Found face down, dead in his office.*The Dallas County Epidemiologist died of a hemorrhagic stroke.

#56:* Thomas Gold,*age 84. Died:*June 22, 2004.* Austrian born Thomas Gold famous over the years for a variety of bold theories that flout conventional wisdom and reported in his 1998 book, "The Deep Hot Biosphere," the idea challenges the accepted wisdom of how oil and natural gas are formed and, along the way, proposes a new theory of the beginnings of life on Earth and potentially on other planets. *Long term battle with heart failure. Gold's theory of the deep hot biosphere holds important ramifications for the possibility of life on other planets, including seemingly inhospitable planets within our own solar system. He was Professor Emeritus of Astronomy at Cornell University and was the founder (and for 20 years director) of Cornell Center for Radiophysics and Space Research. He was also involved in air accident investigations.

#55:* Antonina Presnyakova, age 46. Died:* May 25, 2004.* A Russian scientist at a former Soviet biological weapons laboratory in Siberia died after an accident with a needle laced with ebola. Scientists and officials said the accident had raised concerns about safety and secrecy at the State Research Center of Virology and Biotechnology, known as Vector, which in Soviet times specialized in turning deadly viruses into biological weapons. Vector has been a leading recipient of aid in an American program.

#54: *Dr. Eugene Mallove,*age 56. Died: May 14, 2004. Autopsy confirmed Mallove died as a result of several blunt-force injuries to his head and neck. Ruled as murder. Found at the end of his driveway. Alt. Energy Expert who was working on viable energy alternative program and announcement. Norwich Free Academy graduate.Beaten to death during an alleged robbery. Mallove was well respected for his knowledge of cold fusion. He had just published an "open letter" outlining the results of and reasons for his last 15 years in the field of "new energy research." Dr. Mallove was convinced it was only a matter of months before the world would actually see a free energy device.

#53:*William T. McGuire, age 39. Found May 5, 2004, last seen late April 2004. Body found in three suitcases floating in Chesapeake Bay. He was NJ University Professor and Senior programmer analyst and adjunct professor at the New Jersey Institute of Technology in Newark. He emerged as one of the world's leading microbiologists and an expert in developing and overseeing multiple levels of biocontainment facilities.

#52: Ilsley Ingram, age 84. Died on April 12, 2004 from unknown causes. Ingram was Director of the Supraregional Haemophilia Reference Centre and the Supraregional Centre for the Diagnosis of Bleeding Disorders at the St. Thomas Hospital in London. Although his age is most likely the reason for his death, why wasn't this confirmed by the family in the news media?

#51:*Mohammed Munim al-Izmerly, Died: April 2004.* This distinguished Iraqi chemistry professor * died in American custody from a sudden hit to the back of his head caused by blunt trauma. It was uncertain exactly how he died, but someone had hit him from behind, possibly with a bar or a pistol. His battered corpse turned up at Baghdad's morgue and the cause of death was initially recorded as "brainstem compression". It was discovered that US doctors had made a 20cm incision in his skull.

#50: Vadake Srinivasan,*Died: March 13, 2004. Microbiologist crashed car into guard rail in Baton Rouge, LA.* Death was ruled a stroke. He was originally from India, was one of the most-accomplished and respected industrial biologists in academia, and held two doctorate degrees.

#49: Dr. Michael Patrick Kiley, age 62. Died: January 24, 2004. Died of massive heart attack. Ebola, Mad Cow Expert, top of the line world class. It is interesting to note, he had a good heart, but it "gave out". Dr. Shope and Dr. Kiley were working on the lab upgrade to BSL 4 at the UTMB Galvaston lab for Homeland Security. The lab would have to be secure to house some of the deadliest pathogens of tropical and emerging infectious disease as well as bioweaponized ones.

#48:* Robert Shope, age 74. Died:*January 23, 2004.* Virus Expert Who Warned of Epidemics, Dies died of lung transplant complications.* Later purported to have died of Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis which can be caused by either environmental stimulus or a VIRUS.* It would not be hard to administer a drug that would cause Dr. Shope's lung transplant to either be rejected or to cause complications from the transplant. Dr. Shope led the group of scientists who had an 11 MILLION dollar fed grant to ensure the new lab would keep in the nasty bugs. Dr. Shope also met with and worked with Dr. Mike Kiley on the UTMB Galveston lab upgrade to BSL 4. When the upgrade would be complete the lab will host the most hazardous pathogens known to man especially tropical and emerging diseases as well as bioweapons.

#47: Dr Richard Stevens, age 54. Died: January 6, 2004. He had disappeared after arriving for work on 21 July, 2003. A doctor whose disappearance sparked a national manhunt, killed himself because he could not cope with the stress of a secret affair, a coroner has ruled. He was a hematologist. (hematologists analyze the cellular composition of blood and blood producing tissues e.g. bone marrow).

Out of how many in the same time period who's deaths can't be said to be "suspect"?

How many microbiologists are there in the world, I wonder?

... anyone know?

"#51:*Mohammed Munim al-Izmerly, Died: April 2004.* This distinguished Iraqi chemistry professor * died in American custody from a sudden hit to the back of his head caused by blunt trauma. It was uncertain exactly how he died, but someone had hit him from behind, possibly with a bar or a pistol. His battered corpse turned up at Baghdad's morgue and the cause of death was initially recorded as "brainstem compression". It was discovered that US doctors had made a 20cm incision in his skull."

Sorry, but this is really bullshit... of course they did! it was an autopsy of man who died following blunt force trauma! Urg...

It's the aliens we should be worried about. Have you not seen V??


How many microbiologists are there in the world, I wonder?

... anyone know?
There are only 10 left! :eek:

*Gunshot*

...9 now...

"#51:*Mohammed Munim al-Izmerly, Died: April 2004.* This distinguished Iraqi chemistry professor * died in American custody from a sudden hit to the back of his head caused by blunt trauma. It was uncertain exactly how he died, but someone had hit him from behind, possibly with a bar or a pistol. His battered corpse turned up at Baghdad's morgue and the cause of death was initially recorded as "brainstem compression". It was discovered that US doctors had made a 20cm incision in his skull."

Sorry, but this is really bullshit... of course they did! it was an autopsy of man who died following blunt force trauma! Urg...

No, the 'blood clot' one is better.

OMG! Because thats sooooo pre-planned by the global masters!!! :eek: :eek:

It's the aliens we should be worried about. Have you not seen V??



There are only 10 left! :eek:

*Gunshot*

...9 now...
Do you realise that one day you may suffer from a disease that could have been cured by one of these scientists? You think their death is funny? A reason to joke about?

The solution here is simple. Compare the total number of microbiologists and their current death rate to the total population and average death rate. How are we supposed to know that there is a disparity unless you go and find the data?

Thank you for posting this - it makes our search for possible threats to complete domination easier. Using the new Narus technology and the NSA database, we now know where you live. You can expect us to arrive shortly. Please don't run - it will only excite the dogs.

Do you realise that one day you may suffer from a disease that could have been cured by one of these scientists? You think their death is funny? A reason to joke about?
Their deaths are not funny. The conspiracy theory is. :fluffle:

Their deaths are not funny. The conspiracy theory is. :fluffle:

Gotta agree with Gravlen there.

Thank you for posting this - it makes our search for possible threats to complete domination easier. Using the new Narus technology and the NSA database, we now know where you live. You can expect us to arrive shortly. Please don't run - it will only excite the dogs.
Can the dogs swim accross the atlantic?

Gotta agree with Gravlen there.
But you are a part of the conspiracy, so you don't really count do you? ;)

Obligatory secret message written in mysterious white text presented here...

After skimming over all that nonsense:p , I have but one thing to say: "There's something rotten in Denmark.":D

But you are a part of the conspiracy, so you don't really count do you? ;)

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Ooo, oooo, I wanna be part of a conspiracy! Especially if I don't know I'm part of the conspiracy!:cool:

After skimming over all that nonsense:p , I have but one thing to say: "There's something rotten in Denmark.":D

That's what I was thinking when I first saw the thread title! All our operatives were not just trained but fully educated.

It's really shocking to see how kids joke about such serious issues these days... You can't even imagine how much you will regret it one day...

But you are a part of the conspiracy, so you don't really count do you? ;)

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I suppose not.

Coded response here.

That's what I was thinking when I first saw the thread title! All our operatives were not just trained but fully educated.
LOL It's just an expression I remember seeing on a list of expressions not to use like "sounds like sombody's sawing through a bag of wet chickens."

It's really shocking to see how kids joke about such serious issues these days... You can't even imagine how much you will regret it one day...
Maybe. But that's because people like you have no sense of humor. That's what the world really lacks: a sense of humor.

You have all forgotten what a Nazi did out in the open just 60 years ago... Are you so naive, to believe that any Neo-nazi or whatever dangerous organisation will fall into the same mistake again? Do you realise that this may be the work of a terrorist organisation, not the US government? Have you even thought of that possibility?

Maybe. But that's because people like you have no sense of humor. That's what the world really lacks: a sense of humor.
Maybe your sense of humour would be more appropriate in a thread that doesn't discuss the violent deaths of so many people. I actually feel that world lacks respect and needs less inappropriate sense of humour...

Source here. (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/scientists.htm)

more here, if you have stomach... (http://www.devvy.com/micro_20020424.html)
WTF, over??? :confused:

It's really shocking to see how kids joke about such serious issues these days... You can't even imagine how much you will regret it one day...

Kids? Who are you calling 'kids'?

Like I said before, there are more pertinent dangers to world security and stability than the ravings of a global master led jihad against microbiologists.

Until you can show some actual evidence rather then mere 'death reports', I and others, will treat this like it is: Fluff.

And can I please have a source for all that? And a reputable one please?

Kids? Who are you calling 'kids'?

Like I said before, there are more pertinent dangers to world security and stability than the ravings of a global master led jihad against microbiologists.

Until you can show some actual evidence rather then mere 'death reports', I and others, will treat this like it is: Fluff.

And can I please have a source for all that? And a reputable one please?
I'm calling kids the people that chose this thread to make jokes, when there are plenty of other threads which are much more appropriate. I don't find it funny seeing people joking about other people being killed. "Kids" is actually quite mild...

Global security, Al Qaeda and Osama are off-topic, unless you have any good reason to suspect they are involved. You are the perfect sheep; you only believe what you can see... I have not suggested any conspiracy. If the sources have, that's their problem. I'm treating so many killings of microbiologists as suspicious, because the vast majority of them are.

Global security, Al Qaeda and Osama are off-topic, unless you have any good reason to suspect they are involved. You are the perfect sheep; you only believe what you can see...

You are complaining no one cares aout the 'serious issues' of the day- this in comparison, is not a serious issue.

This is fluff.

You have shown nothing but a random collection of people who have died. The only thing in common is that they shared similar careers.

This is fluff.

You are complaining no one cares aout the 'serious issues' of the day- this in comparison, is not a serious issue.

This is fluff.

You have shown nothing but a random collection of people who have died. The only thing in common is that they shared similar careers.

This is fluff.
They didn't just "die". The vast majority were killed under suspicious circumstances. It's fluff in your eyes, because you're not one of them (or a family member).

When the scientific community leading researches that could save the lives of millions is being crippled like this, it's a serious matter. These killings could be causing the loss of lives of thousands or even millions in the near future. You don't think that is serious???

After skimming over all that nonsense:p , I have but one thing to say: "There's something rotten in Denmark.":D

It's "in the state of Denmark". Anyway... yes, I thought of that too. Now, here's a conspiracy theory: Assis posted this information (some of it exaggerated/false) in order to find out who was educated and would recognize the source for his thread title. In order to take over the world, he will then proceed to remove those educated people who would see through his plots. Run for your LIVES! :eek:

In all seriousness, though, whoever suggested a comparison of death rates had the brightest idea yet. Also, the thing I noticed was that a lot of these scientists come from races which have, ah, notorious problems getting along with other people - Israelis, Arabs of various types, etc. If a terrorist/other criminal wants to make a racist point, it makes sense to remove the "smart" ones. Never mind the issue of professional jealousy...

They didn't just "die". The vast majority were killed under suspicious circumstances. It's fluff in your eyes, because you're not one of them (or a family member).

A blood clot is not a suspicious circumstance.
A plane crash is not a suspicious circumstance.
A mugging is not a suspicious circumstance.
A car wreck is not a suspicious circumstance.
A shooting by a known friend/relative/co-worker is not a suspicious circumstance.
A 67yr old dropping dead is not a suspicious circumstance.
A doctor in Iraq getting killed is not a suspicious circumstance.

These things happen every day in a population of over 6 billion people. Shocking, I know.

You have provided nothing but the ravings of an unemployed, fantasist with too much time on their hands. With no evidence to back up the claims of the "global masters", it is indeed- fluff.

Show me linkage, show me tangible proof, show me evidence.

Maybe your sense of humour would be more appropriate in a thread that doesn't discuss the violent deaths of so many people. I actually feel that world lacks respect and needs less inappropriate sense of humour...
Some respect that is. I don't think the dead would want us to stop finding humor just because of them. That's hardly fair or respectful to their memories. They died. That's not funny in itself, no, but there is humor to be found. People die all the time. That's how the universe works. You don't like it, fine, but you don't have to ruin it for the rest of us who have made our peace with our ultimate destiny.

A blood clot is not a suspicious circumstance.
A plane crash is not a suspicious circumstance.
A mugging is not a suspicious circumstance.
A car wreck is not a suspicious circumstance.
A shooting by a known friend/relative/co-worker is not a suspicious circumstance.
A 67yr old dropping dead is not a suspicious circumstance.
A doctor in Iraq getting killed is not a suspicious circumstance.

These things happen every day in a population of over 6 billion people. Shocking, I know.

You have provided nothing but the ravings of an unemployed, fantasist with too much time on their hands. With no evidence to back up the claims of the "global masters", it is indeed- fluff.

Show me linkage, show me tangible proof, show me evidence.
Any of the deaths above could be "arranged". Do a search on Google on two words "microbiologists" and "deaths" and you'll find plenty more people worried about this issue.... Sorry, it's not fluff... Stop talking about "global masters"; you're trolling.

It's "in the state of Denmark". Anyway... yes, I thought of that too. Now, here's a conspiracy theory: Assis posted this information (some of it exaggerated/false) in order to find out who was educated and would recognize the source for his thread title. In order to take over the world, he will then proceed to remove those educated people who would see through his plots. Run for your LIVES! :eek:
All seriousness aside: Damnit! This always happens to me! But I'll not go so quietly!:p

Any of the deaths above could be "arranged". Do a search on Google on two words "microbiologists" and "deaths" and you'll find plenty more people worried about this issue.... Sorry, it's not fluff... Stop talking about "global masters"; you're trolling.
Sure they could be, but it's infinitely more likely that you're just a paranoid fear-monger.:rolleyes:

Any of the deaths above could be "arranged".
:rolleyes: Yeah, just like the World Trade Centre eh?

Do a search on Google on two words "microbiologists" and "deaths" and you'll find plenty more people worried about this issue
Did that.

This was the first link that cropped up.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/deadbiologists.html

"What really happened: The history the government hopes you don't learn".

Well that's credible.

Stop talking about "global masters"; you're trolling.
That's not trolling.

Actually, the statistical likelihood of all these deaths in so short a period of time beats the dead FOB's (Friends of Bill Clinton) hands down. Who invented something that the global masters didn't want the vast unwashed to have access to? A cure for AIDS? A Vaccine? Sustainable something or other? DNA sequencing for longer life, which means more people live longer and the global masters certainly don't want that?

Again, just using your own links against you. Not trolling.

You refuse to provide evidence, proof or linkage. I'm done.

:rolleyes: Yeah, just like the World Trade Centre eh?


Did that.

This was the first link that cropped up.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/deadbiologists.html

"What really happened: The history the government hopes you don't learn".

Well that's credible.


That's not trolling.


Again, just using your own links against you. Not trolling.

You refuse to provide evidence, proof or linkage. I'm done.
Dude, it was over long ago. I suggest leaving this thread and never returning. Unless, of course, you wanna help turn it into a host for a spam parasite?

Dude, it was over long ago. I suggest leaving this thread and never returning. Unless, of course, you wanna help turn it into a host for a spam parasite?
We always need a new incubator. If it gets really good at it, it could even be a masturbator.

We always need a new incubator. If it gets really good at it, it could even be a masturbator.
No, that's only if it produces any master spammers. Other than myself, of course. I began the infestation, so I inherently don't count. Otherwise my presence alone would be enough.:cool:

I think they were all murdered by incredibly intelligent, microscopic Amoeba's in league with the tapeworms.

I think they were all murdered by incredibly intelligent, microscopic Amoeba's in league with the tapeworms.
*grinds up your tapeworms to make spam*

*grinds up your tapeworms to make spam*
*mutates into giant 100-mile tapeworm* ... *eats Toronto* ...

*mutates into giant 100-mile tapeworm* ... *eats Toronto* ...

Ah Tapezilla, we meet again.

Ah Tapezilla, we meet again.
MOTHRA?! I thought I had eaten your intestines!

Are they blaming President Bush on this one too? LOL.

MOTHRA?! I thought I had eaten your intestines!

I got better.

MOTHRA?! I thought I had eaten your intestines!

Yes, but I provided some divine intervention, and so Mothra did not die. As Mothra said, Mothra got better. In fact, I gave Mothra new intestines and.... superpowers....

Dun dun dun...

Can the dogs swim accross the atlantic?

Dammit Raistlin, if I've told you once I've told you.... well, I guess this would be the first time, eh? Never tell them you are coming, cause they will try to run, the dogs wil get excited and I sure as hell am not gonna clean up the mess THIS time!

And why would the dogs have to swim? Thats what the black C-5A is for. Just enough space for 2 black Chevy Suburbans, 8 kennels, seating for 30 agents and a black helo.

Don't worry, we are on the next flight out of Andrews........

Yes, but I provided some divine intervention, and so Mothra did not die. In fact, I gave Mothra new intestines and.... superpowers....

Dun dun dun...
So ... Tapezilla vs Mothra ... 2 ...

So ... Tapezilla vs Mothra ... 2 ...

Beware, my brand-new superpowered intestines are unstoppable.

Now there's a picture for ya'.

Superpowered intestines......

Beware, my brand-new superpowered intestines are unstoppable.
Oh yeah? Digest ... this! *Spews toxic enzymes*

A blood clot is not a suspicious circumstance.
A plane crash is not a suspicious circumstance.
A mugging is not a suspicious circumstance.
A car wreck is not a suspicious circumstance.
A shooting by a known friend/relative/co-worker is not a suspicious circumstance.
A 67yr old dropping dead is not a suspicious circumstance.
A doctor in Iraq getting killed is not a suspicious circumstance.

These things happen every day in a population of over 6 billion people. Shocking, I know.

You have provided nothing but the ravings of an unemployed, fantasist with too much time on their hands. With no evidence to back up the claims of the "global masters", it is indeed- fluff.

Show me linkage, show me tangible proof, show me evidence.
"show me tangible proof"????? AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA sorry mate, I don't have the dead bodies with me...

Sure they could be, but it's infinitely more likely that you're just a paranoid fear-monger.:rolleyes:
Sure, like the jews were during WWII.... no one believed them and see what happened. You are so naive....

Oh by the way, Al Qaeda doesn't exist either.... it's a conspiracy theory as well...

"show me tangible proof"????? AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA sorry mate, I don't have the dead bodies with me...

What you have is a string of unrelated deaths over a period of years. You've shown no proof or evidence of anything suspicious about those deaths. As the OP it is on you to provide proof that this is more than just another wild conspiracy theory.

If I wanted to I could do a search and find several hundred people who died suddenly over that same timespan who were all janitors. Does that mean some organization/governmental entity is out to get janitorial staff?

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I was just about to say the same thing, but you did it with better veracity than I think I could of.

They didn't just "die". The vast majority were killed under suspicious circumstances. It's fluff in your eyes, because you're not one of them (or a family member).

When the scientific community leading researches that could save the lives of millions is being crippled like this, it's a serious matter. These killings could be causing the loss of lives of thousands or even millions in the near future. You don't think that is serious???

MY GOD MAN!!!! You are overtaxing your adrenals. Imagine the load of stress hormones being dumped into your blood stream on a daily basis. You really need to be taking the full dosage of your medication.

You are taking this "conspiracy" so seriously, no one else needs to. Please, your vociferous insistance that the sky is falling only makes this thread a farce.

BTW, motif is an arts term that refers to a recurring theme in a design. Like fluer de lis.

BTW, motif is an arts term that refers to a recurring theme in a design. Like fluer de lis.

Or like death/"suspicious circumstances" in Assis's post... dontcha think? Definitely recurring, and he definitely claims a design exists...

Or am I thinking about this too hard? :p

MY GOD MAN!!!! You are overtaxing your adrenals. Imagine the load of stress hormones being dumped into your blood stream on a daily basis. You really need to be taking the full dosage of your medication.

You are taking this "conspiracy" so seriously, no one else needs to. Please, your vociferous insistance that the sky is falling only makes this thread a farce.

BTW, motif is an arts term that refers to a recurring theme in a design. Like fluer de lis.
If all these scientists were american, I bet Mr Bush would be saying this was the work of Al Qaeda and you would all believe.

Or like death/"suspicious circumstances" in Assis's post... dontcha think? Definitely recurring, and he definitely claims a design exists...

Or am I thinking about this too hard? :p
If Al Qaeda can plot to bring down the WTC, why can't an unnamed terrorist organisation plot to kill microbiologists? You are happy to accept "conspiracy theories" if they come from the governments you don't trust but the minute something fishy happens that no one knows who (if anyone) is involved, you think it's ridiculous...

If all these scientists were american, I bet Mr Bush would be saying this was the work of Al Qaeda and you would all believe.

Riii-ight. As there would STILL be no link beyond general job type, I doubt it would even come to the attention of the Feds. Much less have the Administration jumping on the bandwagon.

The sites you linked to are still long on hype and short on evidence, motive, proof of wrongdoing.

So, do you really enjoy digging up all these oddball conspiracy theoriesbecause you believe them? Or are you just realy bored and like to set people off?

But what have you done to fight the global masters??

Quote:
Originally Posted by from the link
Actually, the statistical likelihood of all these deaths in so short a period of time beats the dead FOB's (Friends of Bill Clinton) hands down. Who invented something that the global masters didn't want the vast unwashed to have access to? A cure for AIDS? A Vaccine? Sustainable something or other? DNA sequencing for longer life, which means more people live longer and the global masters certainly don't want that?


I think it's more possible they were involved in the creation of a virus, possibly a new strain of the pubonic plague or something along those lines.

Yes, but I provided some divine intervention, and so Mothra did not die. As Mothra said, Mothra got better. In fact, I gave Mothra new intestines and.... superpowers....

Dun dun dun...
*tosses you on the couch again*
Why don't you sit back and watch a real godmodder at work.;)
*roasts Tapezilla and Mothra in the Fires of Hell and sells their freshly cooked corpses to McDonalds to make cheeseburgers and chicken nuggets for happy meals*

Sure, like the jews were during WWII.... no one believed them and see what happened. You are so naive....

Oh by the way, Al Qaeda doesn't exist either.... it's a conspiracy theory as well...
Moron. What was happening to the Jews was more widely known than you realize. No one talked about it for fear of imprisonment or death. And I'm not saying Al Qaeda doesn't exist, just that you're probably making too much of it. If you think something horrible is happening and the government is involved, start a revolution. If you think it's a terrorist organization, go join the Army. But whatever you do, don't try to press you fear-mongering BS on people without substantial proof.

If all these scientists were american, I bet Mr Bush would be saying this was the work of Al Qaeda and you would all believe.
I wouldn't. Bush, sadly, is even more deluded than you.:rolleyes:

If Al Qaeda can plot to bring down the WTC, why can't an unnamed terrorist organisation plot to kill microbiologists? You are happy to accept "conspiracy theories" if they come from the governments you don't trust but the minute something fishy happens that no one knows who (if anyone) is involved, you think it's ridiculous...
They don't really have anything to gain from it. It won't help their cause to kill random scientists who aren't helping destroy them. In fact, the educated people are most needed by terrorists to provide dissent to Bush's efforts. Odds are it's all coincidence. Or some sort of conspiracy amongst insurance companies and a secret organization of corporate doctors....
*flees*

Moron. What was happening to the Jews was more widely known than you realize. No one talked about it for fear of imprisonment or death. And I'm not saying Al Qaeda doesn't exist, just that you're probably making too much of it. If you think something horrible is happening and the government is involved, start a revolution. If you think it's a terrorist organization, go join the Army. But whatever you do, don't try to press you fear-mongering BS on people without substantial proof.
Name calling is you best shot, isn't it... the weapon of the ignorant. Interesting that the CIA, FBI and MI5 have investigated some of these connections. maybe you shoudl call them and say it's a waste of time because it's a conspiracy theory....

source (http://www.americanfreepress.net/08_09_03/Microbiologists_With/microbiologists_with.html)

Name calling is you best shot, isn't it... the weapon of the ignorant. Interesting that the CIA, FBI and MI5 have investigated some of these connections. maybe you shoudl call them and say it's a waste of time because it's a conspiracy theory....

source (http://www.americanfreepress.net/08_09_03/Microbiologists_With/microbiologists_with.html)
No, it isn't my best shot. It's the opening shot. And yes, it is interesting. What's also interesting is how willing you seem to believe all the crap you read on the internet. Let's keep in mind that the CIA, FBI and MI5 aren't known for their shady deals and misinformation campaigns. They certainly have no cause for bias, exaggeration or outright lying at all.:rolleyes:

There's something wrong with the world today
I don't know what it is
Something's wrong with our eyes

We're seeing things in a different way
And God knows it ain't His
It sure ain't no surprise

We're livin' on the edge
We're livin' on the edge
We're livin' on the edge
We're livin' on the edge

No, it isn't my best shot. It's the opening shot. And yes, it is interesting. What's also interesting is how willing you seem to believe all the crap you read on the internet. Let's keep in mind that the CIA, FBI and MI5 aren't known for their shady deals and misinformation campaigns. They certainly have no cause for bias, exaggeration or outright lying at all.:rolleyes:
oh please... :rolleyes: why shouldn't i believe in factual deaths? and i'm the one who is deluded... open your eyes...

oh please... :rolleyes: why shouldn't i believe in factual deaths? and i'm the one who is deluded... open your eyes...
The deaths are factual. I'm not disputing that. I'm disputing that it's part of some grand conspiracy. Things just don't add up. My eyes are plenty open. Maybe you should change where yours are looking. Try to avoid making so many assumptions. Question everything you even think, let alone read.

Riii-ight. As there would STILL be no link beyond general job type, I doubt it would even come to the attention of the Feds. Much less have the Administration jumping on the bandwagon.
looks like you're wrong as well... the FBI, CIA and MI5 have all looked into some of these deaths. want to post a retraction or do you not have the guts to admit it?

Sure, like the jews were during WWII.... no one believed them and see what happened. You are so naive....

Oh by the way, Al Qaeda doesn't exist either.... it's a conspiracy theory as well...
Yes, and the sarcasm is really going to help you find supporters. I should know...

But seriously, I do agree with you. It is suspicious, but if the FBI, CIA, etc. have looked into it as you say, then they have come to their conclusions and dealt with it as they see fit. There really isn't a reason for you to worry about it, unless you are a microbiologist, in which case, you should be out researching the cure for AIDS, which would be a much more productive way to spend your time than ticking people off.

Yes, and the sarcasm is really going to help you find supporters. I should know...
"supporters"? you misunderstand me. i'm not looking for supporters... i was informing people of a worrying trend that continues to this day, a trend that has been investigated by secret services on both sides of the atlantic. i'm not into conspiracy theory websites but i'm not naive to believe that "conspiracies" simply cannot exist; they have happened in the past and will continue to happen in the future. they are part of human nature and natural part of power struggles in the world. while i did bump into one of these websites listing these deaths, these deaths are factual; not theory. something fishy is definitely going on and public opinion is vital to put pressure into these investigations happening and being taken to the end. some people need to wake up and start treating some of these issues with the seriousness they deserve.

leading scientists studying cures for big diseases, some involved in anti-biowarfare are being taken out. that is no reason to joke about and i see no reason for people to dismiss these killings as unrelated from the outset. some animal activists are known to have become more extreme lately. any bunch of crazy lunatics could be organising these killings, since scientists are not exactly followed by body guards like politicians. people dismissing these as "conspiracy theories" without even considering the possibility that serious foul play may be involved are playing into the hands of whoever is doing this.

at no point have i suggested who is.

Wow, there's no need to jump down my throat like that. Apparently you failed to see my second post.

Wow, there's no need to jump down my throat like that. Apparently you failed to see my second post.
i didn't jump at your throat... sorry if it came accross that way but i didn't really.

i didn't jump at your throat... sorry if it came accross that way but i didn't really.
All is forgiven. We all have things we're passionate about. And you know, it is still a conspiracy theory. I would classify Al Queda, Nazi Germany, etc. as conspiracies. The problem with that is conspiracy tends to have a, I don't know, vacuous connotation.

All is forgiven. We all have things we're passionate about. And you know, it is still a conspiracy theory. I would classify Al Queda, Nazi Germany, etc. as conspiracies. The problem with that is conspiracy tends to have a, I don't know, vacuous connotation.
until they hit you in the face, when it's too late to prevent it to happen. which is also a worrying trend, since it plays right into the hands of those that do actually conspire, for whatever reason or purpose...

looks like you're wrong as well... the FBI, CIA and MI5 have all looked into some of these deaths. want to post a retraction or do you not have the guts to admit it?

Post a retraction, WTF? You know, we keep telling you, again, and again. PROOF! You make all these claims without a shred of PROOF then get pissed off when we call you on it!

So, do you have a line into those 3 organizations, cause I know damn well NONE of them advertise their investigations.

Do you have an article in a reputable news organ or a link to a website this is NOT Wiki or a conspiracy site? If so, then provide said information.

One of the first rules I was taught in a debate course I took was; Always make sure you have a credible source for the information you are using in your debate. And don't get mad and your opponent when they do call you on it.

Post a retraction, WTF? You know, we keep telling you, again, and again. PROOF! You make all these claims without a shred of PROOF then get pissed off when we call you on it!

So, do you have a line into those 3 organizations, cause I know damn well NONE of them advertise their investigations.

Do you have an article in a reputable news organ or a link to a website this is NOT Wiki or a conspiracy site? If so, then provide said information.

One of the first rules I was taught in a debate course I took was; Always make sure you have a credible source for the information you are using in your debate. And don't get mad and your opponent when they do call you on it.
The deaths are factual... Is American Free Press reputable enough or not really? As to those 3 organisations not "advertising" their investigations... How many times does this information leak to the press (possibly in exchange for a few dollars)?

source (http://www.americanfreepress.net/08_09_03/Microbiologists_With/microbiologists_with.html)

Post a retraction, WTF? You know, we keep telling you, again, and again. PROOF! You make all these claims without a shred of PROOF then get pissed off when we call you on it!

So, do you have a line into those 3 organizations, cause I know damn well NONE of them advertise their investigations.

Do you have an article in a reputable news organ or a link to a website this is NOT Wiki or a conspiracy site? If so, then provide said information.

One of the first rules I was taught in a debate course I took was; Always make sure you have a credible source for the information you are using in your debate. And don't get mad and your opponent when they do call you on it.
One of the rules of debate is also not to allow yourself to become so worked up that you can't think straight. Evidence of this is in yelling and swearing.

Population isn't the cause of poverty.

I hope Pravda isn't your only source.

I hope Pravda isn't your only source.
If you read the links you should easily realise that Pravda is mentioned 3 times as reference to 2 or 3 deaths (in Russia) out of 79 (globally). Even in those 2 or 3 cases, Pravda is only used to report the deaths, not to explain them. For that purpose only, I imagine it to be a perfectly reliable source, since I can't imagine any tabloid reporting "fake deaths", but then I've never read Pravda. In any case, it's not. These deaths are factual.

If Al Qaeda can plot to bring down the WTC, why can't an unnamed terrorist organisation plot to kill microbiologists? You are happy to accept "conspiracy theories" if they come from the governments you don't trust but the minute something fishy happens that no one knows who (if anyone) is involved, you think it's ridiculous...

I'm tempted to take that as an insult, but I won't bother. Too much work. I will, however, ask why I should trust a government I didn't vote for? There's a reason I didn't vote for them. You have no way of knowing exactly what I think of the present government, or any government, unless I say so. That clear?

Now, I don't accept conspiracy theories lightly, period - mostly because I make them up myself, in my spare time, to amuse myself. For all I know, you could be pulling a Psychotic Dan "Yellowstone is gonna blow" thing, only picking your evidence better.

Having looked at the article you cite below, I do admit that these four deaths could very well be related. Alternate explanations besides massive terrorist plot against all microbiologists: 1) Arab grudge against Israel (as I suggested before). 2) Far-fetched, but there could have been Russian mob involvement. For these deaths, looked at individually (and assumed to be suspicious, rather than unusual), those seem the likeliest explanations, at a quick think-through.

I also note a couple things about your source: 1) The "About AFP" link at the top of the page returns a 404 error. Not a big deal, but not the mark of a first-class web-paper.

2) The paper seems to exist mainly on hype, with even its "news" articles bearing headlines like "AFP Cracks Secret Meeting" and "AFP Editorial: Resist the Neo-Cons; Don’t Attack Iran. This one (http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/bush_insider.html) is headlined "WTC Story Bogus" - and, although I consider it highly unlikely, makes at least as much sense as your "terrorist plot against microbiologists" claim.

3) Gordon Thomas, author of your article, is cited here (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7077.htm) as "a journalist with contacts in the most important intelligence services". I'm guessing therefore that this (http://www.gordonthomas.ie/about.html) is the (personal) site of the guy in question. If you look at his history, he writes hype-stories on events that certainly deserve it; fictional thrillers the quality of which I have no idea; "non-fiction" books that mostly look like conspiracy theories, to judge by their titles; and newspaper articles like the one in question. Admittedly, he's perfectly placed - if his self-profile is true - to uncover conspiracies. He's also in a position where he could easily be paranoid and self-deluded, or even (since we're dealing with conspiracy theories here) allowed to "find" leaks so that these top-secret agencies can get on with covering up stuff that needs to stay classified.

So while your theory (and it is a theory) is fairly intriguing, it's also fairly low probability, from what I can tell (say, a 3 or 4 on a 1-10 scale).

I'm tempted to take that as an insult, but I won't bother. Too much work. I will, however, ask why I should trust a government I didn't vote for? There's a reason I didn't vote for them. You have no way of knowing exactly what I think of the present government, or any government, unless I say so. That clear?
Yes sir.

Now, I don't accept conspiracy theories lightly, period - mostly because I make them up myself, in my spare time, to amuse myself. For all I know, you could be pulling a Psychotic Dan "Yellowstone is gonna blow" thing, only picking your evidence better.
As i said, I'm only picking a very weird trend, of dozens of leading microbiologists with links to anti-biowarfare and major illnesses dying in such a short period of time.

Having looked at the article you cite below, I do admit that these four deaths could very well be related. Alternate explanations besides massive terrorist plot against all microbiologists: 1) Arab grudge against Israel (as I suggested before). 2) Far-fetched, but there could have been Russian mob involvement. For these deaths, looked at individually (and assumed to be suspicious, rather than unusual), those seem the likeliest explanations, at a quick think-through.
I can't imagine Arab grudge against Israel explaining all the violent deaths. David Kelly was actually speaking out against the Coalition in Iraq. Russian mob could be involved in the killings of the Russians, but I just can't see their interest in killing microbiologists, unless they were being paid to do someone else's dirty work or they were involved somehow in shady dealings with someone else. What boggles me is who could have interest in crippling health sciences like this. It doesn't seem to fit with Al Qaeda, even if I wouldn't discard that possibility. Are they trying to cripple our health? But why would they attack Russians and Chinese, when these countries are usually more neutral towards the middle east? Were all these scientists involved with the West? Maybe, I don't know...

I also note a couple things about your source: 1) The "About AFP" link at the top of the page returns a 404 error. Not a big deal, but not the mark of a first-class web-paper.

2) The paper seems to exist mainly on hype, with even its "news" articles bearing headlines like "AFP Cracks Secret Meeting" and "AFP Editorial: Resist the Neo-Cons; Don’t Attack Iran. This one (http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/bush_insider.html) is headlined "WTC Story Bogus" - and, although I consider it highly unlikely, makes at least as much sense as your "terrorist plot against microbiologists" claim.

3) Gordon Thomas, author of your article, is cited here (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7077.htm) as "a journalist with contacts in the most important intelligence services". I'm guessing therefore that this (http://www.gordonthomas.ie/about.html) is the (personal) site of the guy in question. If you look at his history, he writes hype-stories on events that certainly deserve it; fictional thrillers the quality of which I have no idea; "non-fiction" books that mostly look like conspiracy theories, to judge by their titles; and newspaper articles like the one in question. Admittedly, he's perfectly placed - if his self-profile is true - to uncover conspiracies. He's also in a position where he could easily be paranoid and self-deluded, or even (since we're dealing with conspiracy theories here) allowed to "find" leaks so that these top-secret agencies can get on with covering up stuff that needs to stay classified.

So while your theory (and it is a theory) is fairly intriguing, it's also fairly low probability, from what I can tell (say, a 3 or 4 on a 1-10 scale).
My only theory is that there seems to be something fishy in the deaths of 80 leading microbiologists. Surely, a few number of these may be natural, but there is a very high percentage which are a result of very violent and apparently premeditated deaths (like a microbiologist being found in the trunk of a burning car or the one stabbed with a sword and marked with an x on his neck - just two examples). The sheer violence of some of the deaths should raise alarms and cause thorough investigations of even those that are apparently normal. It is no secret to anybody that there are ways to kill people and make it look like a heart attack or a car-crash.

The treatment of David Kelly - for example - by the British Government prior to his death and his involvement with highly secret biowarfare programs, points to possible foul play. The case of Kelly was very high profile in Britain. It was all over the news and actually damaged Blair's reputation at the time, since Kelly had just admitted leaking some information to the press about the (lack of) quality of UK's evidence of Iraq's WMDs, a few weeks before. I wouldn't dare to suggest if someone ordered his death... I don't know...

My only point in this thread has been that these deaths are fishy and that i felt people should be aware that something may be going on. The fact that the sources are not the best is no doubt unfortunate, but the deaths are fact not theory or hoaxes. I tried to take the facts out of their hyped content and see what people thought of it. Of course, I had no option but to place those references because the mainstream media hasn't really picked up on the issue as a whole (and people would ask for references). Still, if I decided to source every death individually (which I won't bother honestly, since I have more positive things to read about), I'm sure I would find some very reputable sources. David Kelly and Ian Langford's deaths were reported by the BBC. Ian's death seems to have been reported by the Times (it's quoted a few times) but - if it was - the article was removed from the website.

The purpose of the mainstream media is not to theorise on the lot and such an investigation may be beyond their scope and interests. Still, it's very fishy and very sad that people who dedicated their lives to save lives are being killed and the investigations of their deaths seem to be heading nowhere in many cases.

I just took a look at American Free Press' website.

AFP (http://www.americanfreepress.net)

Erm, they are claiming that everything that happened on 9/11 was a government conspiracy.........

So, I guess I'll have to keep waiting for a reputable source......

Time for some serious downsizing. I'm all for it.

Time for some serious downsizing. I'm all for it.


Not again!!!!

Not again!!!!
Pardon?

OK - what's the problem with micro-biologists being dead? (Yes, there's a problem with people, in general, being dead, and yes, there's a problem with the way they died. I mean, what is the significance to the deaths being in that group? What is the point?)
The microbes are preparing for war! Quick! Get some hand sanitizer!

Pardon?

Huh? Oh, the whole downsizing thing. I got laid off last month, so the word downsize gives me the willys.

Huh? Oh, the whole downsizing thing. I got laid off last month, so the word downsize gives me the willys.
My comiserations.

Gracias.

Source here. (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/scientists.htm)

more here, if you have stomach... (http://www.devvy.com/micro_20020424.html)
Thank you for the klaxon.
I haven't read the whole thread but i think i understand how perilous this could be, and why you posted it.
*bows*