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Anyone see friday night with Jonothan Ross?
When he was grilling cameron on drugs and various other things, thats the most i've ever liked him.

Liasia']Anyone see friday night with Jonothan Ross?
When he was grilling cameron on drugs and various other things, thats the most i've ever liked him.
And I believe Cameron will follow through on absolutely everything he said on that program.

*goes to sort out landing lights for the next pig*

And I believe Cameron will follow through on absolutely everything he said on that program.

*goes to sort out landing lights for the next pig*
It's not that.. i was just pleased to hear Ross talking seriously about political issues. especially as i seemingly agree with him. I hope his program goes more in that direction, i'd watch it if it did.

Liasia']It's not that.. i was just pleased to hear Ross talking seriously about political issues. especially as i seemingly agree with him. I hope his program goes more in that direction, i'd watch it if it did.

Nah. Cameron must have begged to get on there and appeal to the "young" generations. Fucking traitor.

Nah. Cameron must have begged to get on there and appeal to the "young" generations. Fucking traitor.
I'm young and the Tories are never even getting CLOSE to my vote. A traitor to who, the third of the party who didn't vote for him? The Tories need votes from the under-60s.

Who?

Liasia']I'm young and the Tories are never even getting CLOSE to my vote. A traitor to who, the third of the party who didn't vote for him? The Tories need votes from the under-60s.

I happen to be 17, and a young conservative. It would help if Cameron stopped to consider 200 years of conservative policy, or, for that matter, of he was a remotely capable politician.

Hague will always be the best Tory leader since Thatcher anyway.

I happen to be 17, and a young conservative. It would help if Cameron stopped to consider 200 years of conservative policy, or, for that matter, of he was a remotely capable politician.
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More confusion.

I happen to be 17, and a young conservative. It would help if Cameron stopped to consider 200 years of conservative policy, or, for that matter, of he was a remotely capable politician.
Yes, he does seem to be betraying the basic roots of Conservatism. He seems a half-decent politician. I haven't properly made up my mind on him yet.

Hague will always be the best Tory leader since Thatcher anyway.
Or, rephrased, "Hague was better than Major". Thank you, Einstein.

I happen to be 17, and a young conservative. It would help if Cameron stopped to consider 200 years of conservative policy, or, for that matter, of he was a remotely capable politician.

Hague will always be the best Tory leader since Thatcher anyway.
Didn't help him win that election did it....
Cameron is a one nation tory. People like heath were too, and for as much a part of tory history as thatcher or other hardliners.

A young tory eh? *gak*

Who?
Ross= normally rubbish talk show host/ celebrity suck up.
cameron= some douch who got in charge of the conservative party

Liasia']It's not that.. i was just pleased to hear Ross talking seriously about political issues. especially as i seemingly agree with him. I hope his program goes more in that direction, i'd watch it if it did.
It's a light entertainment show. People don't watch it for political discussion. That's what Newsnight and Sunday AM are for.

Yes, he does seem to be betraying the basic roots of Conservatism. He seems a half-decent politician. I haven't properly made up my mind on him yet.


Or, rephrased, "Hague was better than Major". Thank you, Einstein.

Hague is up there with Churchill and Thatcher, it is simply that the electorate failed to notice his being a much better politician than the new Labour circus.

Cameron, incidentally, is a latter day Blair, and frankly a moron. He is making promises he has no intention, or capacity, to fufill.

It's a light entertainment show. People don't watch it for political discussion. That's what Newsnight and Sunday AM are for.
although strangely.. i think ross did a better job at it than the newsnight people.

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Hague will always be the best Tory leader since Thatcher anyway.
As a life-long supporter of the Dear God Anyone But The Conservatives Party, I would agree that Hague is the ideal leader for the Conservatives.

Liasia']although strangely.. i think ross did a better job at it than the newsnight people.
Nothing will ever beat Jeremy Paxman's interview of Michael Howard.

Liasia']Didn't help him win that election did it....
Cameron is a one nation tory. People like heath were too, and for as much a part of tory history as thatcher or other hardliners.

A young tory eh? *gak*

Meh. We're not aliens you know.

As for Hague, its simply that, due to new Labour, we now live in a moronocracy wherein image and demagoguery are considered superior to either principles, or eloquence, hence why Blair beat Hague.

Heath was, quite simply, incompetant.

Hague is up there with Churchill and Thatcher, it is simply that the electorate failed to notice his being a much better politician than the new Labour circus.

Cameron, incidentally, is a latter day Blair, and frankly a moron. He is making promises he has no intention, or capacity, to fufill.
Keep the pound my ass. If hauge was a capable politican he wouln't have campaigned on something no-one cared about.

Nothing will ever beat Jeremy Paxman's interview of Michael Howard.
I've seen that so many times:p
Shame it didn't actually acheive much.

Liasia']Keep the pound my ass. If hauge was a capable politican he wouln't have campaigned on something no-one cared about.

He couldn't campaign on the economy or tax cuts, in light of the recession of the mid-1990's, and wee Jock Bathmat's "No more boom and bust" drivel, thus he was forced to another issue.

As for Hague, its simply that, due to new Labour, we now live in a moronocracy wherein image and demagoguery are considered superior to either principles, or eloquence, hence why Blair beat Hague.:rolleyes: Eloquence is a part of image, and Hauge's principle's superiority are a matter of opinion and most of the electorate disagree with you. Unfortunate...

Heath was, quite simply, incompetant.Dude... so not true you wouldn't believe it. Please go and read some books. Or at least wikipedia.

He couldn't campaign on the economy or tax cuts, in light of the recession of the mid-1990's, and wee Jock Bathmat's "No more boom and bust" drivel, thus he was forced to another issue.
As far as i was aware the pound and the euro was a part of the economy...
Environment? Constitutional reform (devolution)? Welfare policies?

Liasia']:rolleyes: Eloquence is a part of image, and Hauge's principle's superiority are a matter of opinion and most of the electorate disagree with you. Unfortunate...

Dude... so not true you wouldn't believe it. Please go and read some books. Or at least wikipedia.

Ok, I confess, Heath isn't my politician, give his commitment to the NHS.

It truly is a pity that the electorate failed to recognise Hague for what he was, since he would have enriched Britain greatly.

Liasia']As far as i was aware the pound and the euro was a part of the economy...
Environment? Constitutional reform (devolution)? Welfare policies?

How can a conservative candidate campaign on welfare policies, whilst the environment was not an issue in 2001.

How can a conservative candidate campaign on welfare policies, whilst the environment was not an issue in 2001.
A conservative can campaign for the limiting of welfare.. duh. There are other things. security and defence, education etc

It truly is a pity that the electorate failed to recognise Hague for what he was, since he would have enriched Britain greatly.
Yes it's the electorate'sfault for not recognising Hauge's greatness. Not his own for being a useless right-wing tosspot.

I happen to be 17, and a young conservative. It would help if Cameron stopped to consider 200 years of conservative policy, or, for that matter, of he was a remotely capable politician.

Hague will always be the best Tory leader since Thatcher anyway.

*cruelly laughs in face of tory-boy :D*

Liasia']A conservative can campaign for the limiting of welfare.. duh. There are other things. security and defence, education etc

A British politician cannot campaign for the limiting of welfare. It's ridiculous and fringe and would be quickly (and rightfully) scorned by all other parties as bourgeouis penny-pinching (from the poor that is). The fact is, the majority of British people have been on some sort of benefit at some point in their life, as such they have a vested interest in maintaining the system.

Anyway, onto the OP's topic: Yeah, I thought the show was pretty good. I have made a judgment of Dave Cameron, and that judgment is favourable - while I do not agree with his party I believe he will behave honourably as Prime Minister. Although, what I would hope for come '09/'10, would be a hung parliament and a Tory/Lib-Dem coalition.

A British politician cannot campaign for the limiting of welfare. It's ridiculous and fringe and would be quickly (and rightfully) scorned by all other parties as bourgeouis penny-pinching (from the poor that is). The fact is, the majority of British people have been on some sort of benefit at some point in their life, as such they have a vested interest in maintaining the system.

Anyway, onto the OP's topic: Yeah, I thought the show was pretty good. I have made a judgment of Dave Cameron, and that judgment is favourable - while I do not agree with his party I believe he will behave honourably as Prime Minister. Although, what I would hope for come '09/'10, would be a hung parliament and a Tory/Lib-Dem coalition.
As my politics teacher so gleefully tells me 'the NHS is the closest thing the British ahve to a national religion'
tory/lib dem coalition? I don't think those two would mix particularily well..

Or, rephrased, "Hague was better than Major". Thank you, Einstein.

:D


Major seemed a decent enuogh guy, for a Tory, just not fit to lead a country. Like most Tories.

Liasia']As my politics teacher so gleefully tells me 'the NHS is the closest thing the British ahve to a national religion'
tory/lib dem coalition? I don't think those two would mix particularily well..

Hehe, I've heard that quote too, I've got it written on my wall somewhere.

And on the contrary, I believe that Cameron is taking the Conservative Party in a more liberal direction and Ming is taking (well, he's not, it's kinda drifting that way without him) in an economically right-wing direction.

It would just be nice to have a Government that cared about Liberty... instead of a string of Labour ministers whose thought proceses go: "10 Infringe Liberties. 20 Attempt to justify to Populace. 30 Label dissent as 'Soft'. 40 Go to 10."

I happen to be 17, and a young conservative. It would help if Cameron stopped to consider 200 years of conservative policy, or, for that matter, of he was a remotely capable politician.

Hague will always be the best Tory leader since Thatcher anyway.

There is only one thing to know when you start out making political choices sonny. When in Scotland, the Conservative and Uninionist Association never calls itself the Tory Party. Want to know why? Well the Gaelic words "toraidh" which sounds very similar in English to Tory, means thief. So long as you remember that in politics you wont go far wrong with the choices you make. ;)