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Heyho, NSG!

My optic for today is very close to my heart, Northern Ireland. So, what should be done about it? Should it join the south (:) ), or stay part of Britain(:( )?

Or, something else?

Poll may follow.

The people of Northern Ireland have the right to decide what to do for themselves. I have no inclination either way.

Heyho, NSG!

My optic for today is very close to my heart, Northern Ireland. So, what should be done about it? Should it join the south (:) ), or stay part of Britain(:( )?

Or, something else?

Poll may follow.
If the republic took it back it would cripple the economy.

Have a referendum.

The only issue with this is:

The papists would say that the result would be rigged, and the proddy dogs would refuse to vote because of the population imbalance.

Sod it. The best bet is for the security services to withdraw, and let the IRA and the UVF fight it out - winner takes all. Irish Civil War version two... :rolleyes:

Not nessacarily. Its a shame that Norn Iron is though of as a economic hell hole, theres alot of potential there.

Have a referendum.

The only issue with this is:

The papists would say that the result would be rigged, and the proddy dogs would refuse to vote because of the population imbalance.

Sod it. The best bet is for the security services to withdraw, and let the IRA and the UVF fight it out - winner takes all. Irish Civil War version two... :rolleyes:
Capital idea!

Not nessacarily. Its a shame that Norn Iron is though of as a economic hell hole, theres alot of potential there.
Not quite what I ment.If the island were to be reunited there would probably be an upsurge in loyalist violence which would probably be most evident in the major cities of the south thus resulting in lack of overseas investment for the entire island.Not sure that reunification wouldn't just cause problems on a larger scale.The republican in me might like the idea of a united ireland but the realist in me sees it causing more problems than solutions.For a untied Ireland to exist there would have to be a new 'ídea' of what that Ireland would be.I am not sure that it would be realistic to bring it about over a generation or two.

Northern Ireland should do whatever it's people vote on it doing.

As an Irish-American I say that the Brits should get the hell out of Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. They committed Cultural Genocide on the Celts all those generations ago, and as reperations, they should get the hell out of those nations, and let them alone.

Actually, as people are now just hating each other, as oppossed to hating and killing each other in a sectarian statelet, I say let it be.

As an Irish-American I say that the Brits should get the hell out of Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. They committed Cultural Genocide on the Celts all those generations ago, and as reperations, they should get the hell out of those nations, and let them alone.
Then I suggest you get out of America and give it back to the natives. Most of the people in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are happy with things the way they are(I assume since there has never been a majority vote in a referendum to secede from the Kingdom, to my knowledge), why force them to break their ties with England?

Heyho, NSG!

My optic for today is very close to my heart, Northern Ireland. So, what should be done about it? Should it join the south (:) ), or stay part of Britain(:( )?

Or, something else?

Poll may follow.

Your eye is definitely off the ball on this one.

Brits pull out & Eire moves in- bloodbath. You thought it was bad when the IRA was just doing the bombing? Try this- the UVF will have disaffected police and ex-UDR/RIR and other regular soldiers who would feel betrayed with the training to make sophisticated bombs, the training to carry effective (as in 100% kill rate in less than 5 seconds) ambushes and the tactical training and awareness to mount guerilla operations. Remember after 30 years of fighting an insurgency, you learn how to think like an insurgent and carry out insurgent operations with 100% security. I think the Irish Army would be overwhelmed as it is not ready for the projected scale of any insurgency. Why do you think Eire has dropped the demand for Irish Unity from its constitution?

As an Irish-American I say that the Brits should get the hell out of Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. They committed Cultural Genocide on the Celts all those generations ago, and as reperations, they should get the hell out of those nations, and let them alone.

Another Merkin that doesn't know and understand the difference between the Scots, Irish, English and Welsh and confuses being English with the British.

Little guide to the ignorant and ill educated Merkins out there.

The United Kingdom is Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Great Britain is England, Scotland and Wales thus the English, Scots and Welsh are "British" by definition. The Protestant Northern Irish also regard themselves as British.

Now Privateer go stand in the corner and write out this definition 20 times.

As an Irish-American I say that the Brits should get the hell out of Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. They committed Cultural Genocide on the Celts all those generations ago, and as reperations, they should get the hell out of those nations, and let them alone.

As soon as the British get out of America, too, and leave it to the Dutch. Oh, and they need to leave it to the French. Who need to leave it to the Danes. Who need to leave it to the Amerindians. :rolleyes:

Oh yes, and all the mad immigrants into America need to leave as well. You cultural genocidists!!!!!1!!

I'm an Anglo-Celt. Whoopty-do. At one point, I was told that "you'd better not go to Ireland, son, you have Catholic eyes - they'll shoot you for that." The people in Northern Ireland can do whatever the hell they want, I just wish they'd work out what that is soon, so we can stop worrying about the Red Hand Defenders and the Real IRA.

Fargozia']Why do you think Eire has dropped the demand for Irish Unity from its constitution?
There was never a 'demand', per se. The constitution stated that it was the will of the Irish people that Ireland be reunited. This was changed in 1999 to state that it was the will of the Irish people that Ireland be re-united by peaceful political means and with the consent of the people of Northern Ireland.

Heyho, NSG!

My optic for today is very close to my heart, Northern Ireland. So, what should be done about it? Should it join the south (:) ), or stay part of Britain(:( )?

Or, something else?

Poll may follow.

How about letting all the people in Ireland decide?

How about letting all the people in Ireland decide?

For the same reason the rest of the United Kingdom doesn’t decide. It's for the people of Northern Ireland to decide. The majority of people in Norn Iron like it the way it is, it's called democracy.

Oh Jebus, not this again......

'come to Dublin.. nothing to do, but you won't notice because you'll be pissed'

As an Irish-American I say that the Brits should get the hell out of Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. They committed Cultural Genocide on the Celts all those generations ago, and as reperations, they should get the hell out of those nations, and let them alone.


Does that mean I have to cut my foot off and send it to Ireland and then cut my other leg off and send that to Scotland?

El-Presidente Boris

1/32 Irish 1/16 Scottish and 100% pissed :p

Fun Fact: Catholics outbreed Protestants, this isn't just a stereotype, it's demographically true. Plus, Protestants are more economically mobile than Catholics (partly due to not spending so much time birthing, but also due to decades of shameful discrimination on Old Blighty's part). Add these things together and we get to a situation where in a generation's time Loyalists make up an insignificant minority and the North can be peacefully handed over after a full and fair democratic referendum.

Also, at whoever has claimed to be Irish-American. There is no such thing. You are American. You left the country and thereby waived any right to interfere in its affairs, especially when your opinions consist entirely of pig-headed Hollywood anti-Britain bigotry and your actions of donating blank cheques to IRA terrorists so they can murder defenceless Britons.

Can we all just let this thread die please?

Actually, as people are now just hating each other, as oppossed to hating and killing each other in a sectarian statelet, I say let it be.

:-D Tolerance doesn't mean I have to like you; it just means I have to agree to share the same universe as you in peace.

There was never a 'demand', per se. The constitution stated that it was the will of the Irish people that Ireland be reunited. This was changed in 1999 to state that it was the will of the Irish people that Ireland be re-united by peaceful political means and with the consent of the people of Northern Ireland.

No, the Constitution claimed between 1937 and 1999 that The national territory consists of the whole island of Ireland, its islands and the territorial seas there was no mention of the will of the people.

I want those loonies to stay on the other side of that goddamned border. Whatever type they are. If it all goes to hell, please, let a country with a big army deal with it...

Fun Fact: Catholics outbreed Protestants, this isn't just a stereotype, it's demographically true. Plus, Protestants are more economically mobile than Catholics (partly due to not spending so much time birthing, but also due to decades of shameful discrimination on Old Blighty's part). Add these things together and we get to a situation where in a generation's time Loyalists make up an insignificant minority and the North can be peacefully handed over after a full and fair democratic referendum.

Even though only 47% of Catholics are in favour of unification? (http://www.ark.ac.uk/nilt/2004/Political_Attitudes/NIRELAND.html), and only 22% of the population as a whole?

Northern Ireland has one of the best education systems in the world, and one of the lowest crime rates in the world. It's doing fine as it is. A few more problems ironed out and it'll be perfect.

I want those loonies to stay on the other side of that goddamned border. Whatever type they are. If it all goes to hell, please, let a country with a big army deal with it...

I say we just put them all on an island and let them fight it out between themselves.

Even though only 47% of Catholics are in favour of unification? (http://www.ark.ac.uk/nilt/2004/Political_Attitudes/NIRELAND.html), and only 22% of the population as a whole?

Northern Ireland has one of the best education systems in the world, and one of the lowest crime rates in the world. It's doing fine as it is. A few more problems ironed out and it'll be perfect.

And the fact that people are still using 'Catholic' as a binding tie in this day and age.

Lot of different things between North and South, and North and 'Mainland'. Catholicism is not a good way of saying "hey, we're the same".

And the fact that people are still using 'Catholic' as a binding tie in this day and age.

Lot of different things between North and South, and North and 'Mainland'. Catholicism is not a good way of saying "hey, we're the same".

Exactly.

Even though only 47% of Catholics are in favour of unification? (http://www.ark.ac.uk/nilt/2004/Political_Attitudes/NIRELAND.html), and only 22% of the population as a whole?

Or as an alternative rebuff, I'm pretty sure we could pull out some statistics showing that if the increase in Polish immigrants continues to climb at its current rate, Northern Ireland will be about 90% Eastern European by about 2020.


See also 'more Elvis impersonators than entire world population' for similar.

Or as an alternative rebuff, I'm pretty sure we could pull out some statistics showing that if the increase in Polish immigrants continues to climb at its current rate, Northern Ireland will be about 90% Eastern European by about 2020.

In which case we should follow the will of the people and "reunite" with Poland. Seems only fair.

In which case we should follow the will of the people and "reunite" with Poland. Seems only fair.

I seem to recall it all worked out somewhat unpleasent the last time someone tried to 'reunite' with Poland.

I seem to recall it all worked out somewhat unpleasent the last time someone tried to 'reunite' with Poland.

Shouldn't be too different to how it would be should we try and "reunite" with the Repubic, then.

Shouldn't be too different to how it would be should we try and "reunite" with the Repubic, then.
I dunno. At least the Poles and Germans could roughly understand what each other was saying. :D :p

*scuttles away*

I dunno. At least the Poles and Germans could roughly understand what each other was saying. :D :p

*scuttles away*

Aye, see you Free Staters and your accent? :p

Even though only 47% of Catholics are in favour of unification? (http://www.ark.ac.uk/nilt/2004/Political_Attitudes/NIRELAND.html), and only 22% of the population as a whole?

Northern Ireland has one of the best education systems in the world, and one of the lowest crime rates in the world. It's doing fine as it is. A few more problems ironed out and it'll be perfect.

Well then they can become an independent nation. Either way, it shan't be Britain's problem when the Unionists are gone... we're actually waiting for an excuse to get rid of it.