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Music and Politics

Kinda Sensible people
22-06-2006, 21:19
Forgive me for the length of what follows, but I read something this afternoon that made me very angry, and so I wrote this to express my frustration.

I am sick to death of hearing the bullshit spewed by people on the left and right regarding entertainers (specifically musicians) and politics. As an artist, a musician, and most importantly a politically interested musician, I am deeply offended by being told that I should drop my beliefs in order to be an "Entertainer". Art is a means of expression, not just a way to make a complacent public happy (Picasso's artwork disturbed and confused people with it's misshapen and childlike forms). Music, in particular, is highly connected to political content.

Those who complain that this week's Hollywood pop star with an IQ of 20 should simply "Shut up and sing" are forgetting the long and glorious history of politics in music. To vastly simplify and remain close to the "great artists" that people remember, let's start with Beethoven. Yeah, the angry, deaf guy who wrote that piece with "Brotherhood" in it (clearly a hippy :p ). The Eroica symphony was originally dedicated to none-other than Napoleon (quite the statement for a German composer to make), but later was changed to "To the memory of a great man" either because Beethoven was disillusioned with Napoleon's politics, or because it was financially inconvenient for him to dedicate it to Napoleon. Giussepe Verdi, the famous Italian Opera-writer, was deeply involved in politics. In fact, a song from his opera Nabbuco was one of the rallying songs for Italian Unification (and his name was a code for supporting Victor Emmanuel). Wagner was deeply involved in politics (in fact, he was exiled from Dresden for supporting an uprising), and most people know him as having inspired Hitler with his anti-Semitism and German Nationalism. Moving into a more modern era, we must also acknowledge the more proletarian nature of political music. Who can forget the strains of “Pie in the sky”, “The ballad of Joe Hill”, or “Which Side Are You On Boy?”. Unions often had many songs sung on the issue of worker’s rights (No, really?). Within the 20th century we must acknowledge a rash of political music, particularly showing in the folk music of Peter, Paul, and Mary, Pete Ochs, Pete Seeger, Utah Phillips, and Woody and Arlo Guthrie. It seems unreasonable to now complain that artists of a new generation should simply “Shut up and sing”

Moreover, we acknowledge the greatness of such artistic classics as “Grapes of Wrath”, “Candide”, or “The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn”. All of these have political discourse (quite radical for it’s time), and yet are still accepted in schools as classics that should be taught about because of the greatness of their artistic value. Why does literature get to have political content when music cannot? Why do we have this double standard regarding what can or cannot have a political opinion? Certainly, no one informed Picasso that he should “Shut up and paint” when he painted his classic “Guernica”.

Art is an expression of the self and a celebration of individualism. It is not a slave to society, and it is not in existence to either comfort or disturb you. It is one thing to disagree with the message of a song or artist and therefore not buy that piece of work, or any of that artist’s work, but it is completely different to accuse them of being poor artists because they are expressing ideas you do not like. Don’t get me wrong: I think Bono is an egotist with a messiah complex who did what he did for attention and I think Green Day sold out on Punk and that American Idiot was by no means great art. That doesn’t mean that politics have no place in art. In fact, it is fair to point out that because in the latest era music has become a whore for popular culture with the rise of the massive label entities, the RIAA, and the bubblegum pop attitude of “One album and you’re out” that, if anything, this latest group of artists is much less attached to politics than the ones who came before them. It would seem that whatever we may be told by the empty-headed drone public about how “politics have no place in music”, that politics do have an important place in great music.
Glitziness
22-06-2006, 21:26
I personally have no problem with politics in music. I love many political songs.

My only problem comes when a political song is made purely to make the musician seem intelligent and caring etc when actually they're just doing it to sell records, and/or when musicians get all self-righteous and think they're amazing for having an opinion about something worthwhile or think their opinion is somehow superior because they're famous musicians. Also, when they supposedly care about social inequality yet have no moral problem with being insanely rich.

Other than that, music is a great way of expressing ideas and opinions, and anything thought-provoking is good in my books.
Rubiconic Crossings
22-06-2006, 21:38
yeah...Billy Bragg and Red Wedge...

great idea...bad move associating it with the Labour Party
Kinda Sensible people
22-06-2006, 21:39
I personally have no problem with politics in music. I love many political songs.

My only problem comes when a political song is made purely to make the musician seem intelligent and caring etc when actually they're just doing it to sell records, and/or when musicians get all self-righteous and think they're amazing for having an opinion about something worthwhile or think their opinion is somehow superior because they're famous musicians. Also, when they supposedly care about social inequality yet have no moral problem with being insanely rich.

Other than that, music is a great way of expressing ideas and opinions, and anything thought-provoking is good in my books.

I am, perhaps, less inclined to complain about the financial status of artists who have political opinions, so long as they make an effort to do good with the money they have made. Certainly it is hypocritical for someone to write a song critiscising the number of global poor and not make donations or efforts to help the global poor (although the song itself could be considered a donation or effort).

But yeah, it pisses me off when a group (like Green Day) produce a "political" song as a way to make themselves seem to be "rebels" and to sell to a mostly mindless target audience.
Kinda Sensible people
22-06-2006, 21:42
yeah...Billy Bragg and Red Wedge...

great idea...bad move associating it with the Labour Party

I like quite a bit of Bragg's Music, but I'm pretty ignorant about most of his political actions in the UK (I admit that I have only the barest level of knowledge about the UK's political situation; although not from lack of trying). Is he involved with Labour? I would think, from what I've read, that he would more closely identify with one of the socialist parties.
Glitziness
22-06-2006, 21:49
I am, perhaps, less inclined to complain about the financial status of artists who have political opinions, so long as they make an effort to do good with the money they have made. Certainly it is hypocritical for someone to write a song critiscising the number of global poor and not make donations or efforts to help the global poor (although the song itself could be considered a donation or effort).
Of course, they should have a living and aim to be successfull.
But you can't talk about unfairness, and somehow wipe away mansions and stacks of wealth (I'm obviously talking of the very successful) by simply donating a minute percent of your wealth to a charity.

But yeah, it pisses me off when a group (like Green Day) produce a "political" song as a way to make themselves seem to be "rebels" and to sell to a mostly mindless target audience.
Indeed. Then again, Green Day piss me off generally, so I'll be biased with them :p
Kinda Sensible people
22-06-2006, 21:55
Of course, they should have a living and aim to be successfull.
But you can't talk about unfairness, and somehow wipe away mansions and stacks of wealth (I'm obviously talking of the very successful) by simply donating a minute percent of your wealth to a charity.

Yep. One of the things that pissed me off so much about Live 8 was that it was a mindless ploy that didn't even bother to send it's profits to a charity. That had me pissed off for weeks.
Rubiconic Crossings
22-06-2006, 21:58
I like quite a bit of Bragg's Music, but I'm pretty ignorant about most of his political actions in the UK (I admit that I have only the barest level of knowledge about the UK's political situation; although not from lack of trying). Is he involved with Labour? I would think, from what I've read, that he would more closely identify with one of the socialist parties.

You'd have thought that...as it turns out he got sucked into Blairs 'Cool Brittania' thing and was given the job of looking how to reform the House of Lords...

Singers might sing about politics but rarely can actually deal in politics...

Either way I also am a fan of his music...esp in the early 80's
Wilgrove
22-06-2006, 22:00
I don't have problem with musicians being political, but don't start bitching if your political views cost you your fan base. Isn't that right Dixie Chicks?
WangWee
22-06-2006, 22:02
http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Music/04/12/bush.ipod/
Kinda Sensible people
22-06-2006, 22:09
http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Music/04/12/bush.ipod/

Ironically, given his past, I actually expected wilder music.
New Shabaz
22-06-2006, 22:21
The problem is some musicians make a politic statement only for the shock value with out any real knowledge of the issues ..as opposed to artists that are mostly political. Dixie Chix vs Billy Brag. If Billy Brag makes a statement it is because he believes it not because it pushes product.


Forgive me for the length of what follows, but I read something this afternoon that made me very angry, and so I wrote this to express my frustration.

snip.
Rubiconic Crossings
22-06-2006, 22:23
The problem is some musicians make a politic statement only for the shock value with out any real knowledge of the issues ..as opposed to artists that are mostly political. Dixie Chix vs Billy Brag. If Billy Brag makes a statement it is because he believes it not because it pushes product.

in this case it did not really help the Dixie Chicks to flog more merchanise did it???

/just wondering...
WangWee
22-06-2006, 22:23
Ironically, given his past, I actually expected wilder music.

You can be an alcoholic and a junkie but still listen to stuff that freaking sucks... The woman living across the hall from me is living proof.
Kinda Sensible people
22-06-2006, 23:11
The problem is some musicians make a politic statement only for the shock value with out any real knowledge of the issues ..as opposed to artists that are mostly political. Dixie Chix vs Billy Brag. If Billy Brag makes a statement it is because he believes it not because it pushes product.

I honestly don't think that most artists who do political songs don't beleive what they say. After all, given the hostility faced by most groups when they release a political song, it doesn't seem to be cash effecient to try and sell a political beleif.

Green Day could pull it off, because their target audience was a bunch of stupid "rebel" teens who thought that the idea of hating "the man" made them cool. The Dixie Chicks... Well, they have a much more conservative audience, and it certainly wasn't beneficial to them to release anti-bush messages.
New Shabaz
22-06-2006, 23:21
They are country singers not rocket scienentists nor marketing geniuses.

It dun back fired


in this case it did not really help the Dixie Chicks to flog more merchanise did it???

/just wondering...
Rampant Revenge
22-06-2006, 23:26
Meh, politically active MUSICIANS are all cool by me, it's their right.

Anti-flag however are not musicians. They and all their ilk should be barred from recording premises for life...
Rubiconic Crossings
22-06-2006, 23:26
They are country singers not rocket scienentists nor marketing geniuses.

It dun back fired

if thats the case then your first assertion is flawed I'd have thought...
Kinda Sensible people
22-06-2006, 23:29
Meh, politically active MUSICIANS are all cool by me, it's their right.

Anti-flag however are not musicians. They and all their ilk should be barred from recording premises for life...

Why? Anti-Flag is a very poltically active band. Or are you just one of those elitists who hates punk?