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Hello, I just want to take a moment to let everyone know of an interesting idea I've had in the back of my mind for a while now. Now, before you go laughing or get angry or anything, please read the entire idea.

Reinstate slavery.
I don't mean enslave blacks again I mean the homeless. What I think we should do is simply round them up and put them to slave labour doing whatever it is we need. Now, this will be forced, they will either have to work or be left out on the streets. And we will not let them leave when they get to the camps.

But, we'll slap some laws down so that slave masters cannot,
-Beat the slaves.
-Kill the slaves
-Rape them.
-Sell them.
-Force families apart.
-Any other type of assault, felony, or abuse on them.
We'll also put laws down that the master will have too,
-Feed them.
-Cloth them to a given extent/meaning no towels for clothes but it doesnt need to be a tuxedo.
-Monthly medical examination.
-Random inspections by Government officials to ensure they are taken care of by a number of set standars.
-The choice too leave if they so desire.
-And give them homes/not full houses, more like a barracks of sorts.

We'll that's about the extent of my idea so far, I might change it a little. Now keep in mind that I havent thought this over at all so any advice or critisism is welcome. I encourage everyone who reads this to post whatever they think about it, don't be shy.

Why? Why would you punish someone for being either unable to work, or unwilling to work as long as he is dealing with the consequences of his decision?

Hello, I just want to take a moment to let everyone know of an interesting idea I've had in the back of my mind for a while now. Now, before you go laughing or get angry or anything, please read the entire idea.

Reinstate slavery.
I don't mean enslave blacks again I mean the homeless. What I think we should do is simply round them up and put them to slave labour doing whatever it is we need. Now, this will be forced, they will either have to work or be left out on the streets. And we will not let them leave when they get to the camps.

But, we'll slap some laws down so that slave masters cannot,
-Beat the slaves.
-Kill the slaves
-Rape them.
-Sell them.
-Force families apart.
-Any other type of assault, felony, or abuse on them.
We'll also put laws down that the master will have too,
-Feed them.
-Cloth them to a given extent/meaning no towels for clothes but it doesnt need to be a tuxedo.
-Monthly medical examination.
-And give them homes/not full houses, more like a barracks of sorts.

We'll that's about the extent of my idea so far, I might change it a little. Now keep in mind that I havent thought this over at all so any advice or critisism is welcome. I encourage everyone who reads this to post whatever they think about it, don't be shy.

And where would the people in construction, general labour, packaging and household services go? Slavery is not only immoral, but bad for the economy in the long run.

Or! We could just eat them.

Or! We could just eat them.

People wouldn't go for it. It's not by mass human ethics to eat others.

Personally, I'm not in favor of any "great solution" which requires the "rounding up" of any particular segment of the population.

And where would the people in construction, general labour, packaging and household services go? Slavery is not only immoral, but bad for the economy in the long run.
I understand that you think slavery is immoral, I never said it was good by the way, but how would it hurt the economy.

well, instead of slavery, howbout giving them the jobs Illegal Aliens (and only Illegals, not people here legally with work permits) are doing.

they can still earn a paycheck, perhaps even get a discount on low income rentals untill they get back on their feet.

heck, make it a Federal Program and they can be taken to where the jobs are.

Why? Why would you punish someone for being either unable to work, or unwilling to work as long as he is dealing with the consequences of his decision?
I never said this was going to hurt them. In fact, I thought it would help them. Think about it, they are being given food, clothes and shelter. Now we can't give it too them for free so we have them do work, perhaps contruction, of course we'll need to teach them the way to do things at a contruction site. And remember the list of of laws I said we could put in place to keep them from harm by the slavers or whatever they would be.

Personally, I'm not in favor of any "great solution" which requires the "rounding up" of any particular segment of the population.
I guess I worded that wrong. We won't be rounding them up as in chasing them down on horseback with nets and spears, but we'll simply go find them, ask them if there willing to do the work, tell them how we'll take care of them. They say yes, we take them, no, we back off and let them go too the other systems and programs in place.

well, instead of slavery, howbout giving them the jobs Illegal Aliens (and only Illegals, not people here legally with work permits) are doing.

they can still earn a paycheck, perhaps even get a discount on low income rentals untill they get back on their feet.

heck, make it a Federal Program and they can be taken to where the jobs are.

That won't do for the employers. They'd have to worry about things like minimum wage and health benefits and occupational safety. The nice thing about illegal immigrants is that they have nobody to complain to. :p

Or! We could just eat them.
And there saying my idea is mean! LOL

That won't do for the employers. They'd have to worry about things like minimum wage and health benefits and occupational safety. The nice thing about illegal immigrants is that they have nobody to complain to. :p
Yes, and we can't just give them those jobs since we might have to terminate a few aliens employment, and with all this controversy over it, might not be a good idea.

That won't do for the employers. They'd have to worry about things like minimum wage and health benefits and occupational safety. The nice thing about illegal immigrants is that they have nobody to complain to. :p
hm.... unless they get classified as Interns... then working for 19.5 hours would alieve the employers from paying benefits...


and they still will get a paycheck. :D

I understand that you think slavery is immoral, I never said it was good by the way, but how would it hurt the economy.

Well, remember that not everyone is smart. There are many who are below average intelligence, have unstable problems or are unable to achieve high jobs due to either bad credentials (many times poor immigrants) or unable to get the job because of faulty information or whether they're simply uneducated or not educated enough to get a higher paying job or one in information technology or any of the sort. Therefore, we have a large population of labourers, and more thna often they want payment for their work (since labour at many times is extremely difficult and back-breaking). This would rise up as unions, to watch over the interests of others.

If slaves were employed, that would mean that the person employing them would have to pay them less, meaning the company would have more money while the people who would be labourers would not have money to buy alot of things with. Therefore more things would be in stock, hence less work is needed for the companies to produce items, meaning they are making less money per item. Because they are making less money because of this, they would either have to lose some people (in this case, slaves) or change value, or sell themselves out.

In short, more slaves means less labourers, meaning less money is spent, meaning less money is made, meaning more companies would go out of business.

Yes, and we can't just give them those jobs since we might have to terminate a few aliens employment, and with all this controversy over it, might not be a good idea.
sorry, but I just feel that citizens of this nation should be put over someone who sneaks in illegally. :cool:

Well, remember that not everyone is smart. There are many who are below average intelligence, have unstable problems or are unable to achieve high jobs due to either bad credentials (many times poor immigrants) or unable to get the job because of faulty information or whether they're simply uneducated or not educated enough to get a higher paying job or one in information technology or any of the sort. Therefore, we have a large population of labourers, and more thna often they want payment for their work (since labour at many times is extremely difficult and back-breaking). This would rise up as unions, to watch over the interests of others.

If slaves were employed, that would mean that the person employing them would have to pay them less, meaning the company would have more money while the people who would be labourers would not have money to buy alot of things with. Therefore more things would be in stock, hence less work is needed for the companies to produce items, meaning they are making less money per item. Because they are making less money because of this, they would either have to lose some people (in this case, slaves) or change value, or sell themselves out.

In short, more slaves means less labourers, meaning less money is spent, meaning less money is made, meaning more companies would go out of business.
I'd like to mention that the slaves wouldn't be getting paid at all. As I did mention, they would be receiving food, a shelter, and clothing, the basics for survival given to them in stead of scrounging through garbage. Now I definatly see what you mean with them doing the labour then the companies won't need other labourers though.

I'd like to mention that the slaves wouldn't be getting paid at all. As I did mention, they would be receiving food, a shelter, and clothing, the basics for survival given to them in stead of scrounging through garbage.

So what you're basically advocating, then, is state exploitation of the desperate?

I'd like to mention that the slaves wouldn't be getting paid at all. As I did mention, they would be receiving food, a shelter, and clothing, the basics for survival given to them in stead of scrounging through garbage. Now I definatly see what you mean with them doing the labour then the companies won't need other labourers though.

Yeah, that paid thing is a mistake. Ignore the 'pay them less'. It should be 'not pay them at all'...curse my typos.

sorry, but I just feel that citizens of this nation should be put over someone who sneaks in illegally. :cool:
I know that I mentioned we wouldn't really be rounding up the homeless for the labour, but I honeslty think we should do just that with them. They sneak in here and burglers in the dead of night, steal the jobs we need to survive, and then demand we treat them with the respect the obviously don't have for us! If a guy broke into your house, sat in your favorite chair and demanded you make him dinner, would you?!

I know that I mentioned we wouldn't really be rounding up the homeless for the labour, but I honeslty think we should do just that with them. They sneak in here and burglers in the dead of night, steal the jobs we need to survive, and then demand we treat them with the respect the obviously don't have for us! If a guy broke into your house, sat in your favorite chair and demanded you make him dinner, would you?!
Are you talking about a Homeless citizen or an Illegal Alien?

So what you're basically advocating, then, is state exploitation of the desperate?
For the final time, we are not exploiting them. No, they are not going to be paid, and yes, once they choose to do the work they cannot choose to leave(except under conditions). But, they are being cared for, as I've said before, they WILL be given housing, food, and clothing. There are other things that they will need but those are the top that should be mentioned.

A better idea: All people who think that slave labor is a good idea should be rounded up and sent off to slave labor camps. If you're in favor of it, you shouldn't be afraid to live according to your own values.

Are you talking about a Homeless citizen or an Illegal Alien?
Whoops! My bad, I meant we should do that too the aliens, they break into our country illegaly, that makes them just like criminals who break into a home, and should be treated like one. Now, there are going to need ot be exceptions, such as the ones born here since they never had a choice in the matter, and those who perhaps run there own stores and employ others, but the majority, need to be put and trucks and driven back to their countries of origin.

A better idea: All people who think that slave labor is a good idea should be rounded up and sent off to slave labor camps. If you're in favor of it, you shouldn't be afraid to live according to your own values.

You forget that humans by nature are largely imperialistic.

A better idea: All people who think that slave labor is a good idea should be rounded up and sent off to slave labor camps. If you're in favor of it, you shouldn't be afraid to live according to your own values.
hmm... so does that "Living according to your own values" count for people who spay and neuter their pets? :D :D :D

This reminds me of the Ren & Stimpy episode where they are homeless and starving, so they try to break into prison so they can get 3 square meals a day. Hmm...

Although, if you outsource jobs to homeless people, you'll be creating a whole lot more homeless people... so basicly, under this idea, you can lay somebody off, then rehire them the next day for a 100% reduction in salary. Eventually, we'd have just one overclass and everyone else would be a common peon. Think about it! After a generation or two, we'd have an entire country running on the unpaid hard work of the peasants, while the top 1% that is born into a family with money just kicks back and revels in their privilaged birthright. Wait, wasn't this system tried before... say, 1000 or so years ago? How'd that turn out?

Hobos, bums, and winos maybe. The general group of people without a homes, no.

A better idea: All people who think that slave labor is a good idea should be rounded up and sent off to slave labor camps. If you're in favor of it, you shouldn't be afraid to live according to your own values.
So your in favor of enslaving those who believe in enslaving others? Let me ask you something, have you actualy read the entire first post of mine? Or did you just get up to Reinstate slavery and decide you needn't go further?

Tell me, what sounds better too you. A man, his wife and there child. Starving in a alleyway. Forgotten and unloved by any save those few Saints that spend entire days just too give them one more meal which will end up being nothing more then a tastless tv dinner. Or, if those people are put in a facility where they are taken care of, given proper food, good shelter, decent clothing, medical attention should they need it. All they need to do is earn it through labour. Maybe not even that! Perhaps they'll just end up doing some simple task that any airhead can do. Perhaps they'll have to work in a coal mine. As stated, they will be taken care of in all ways. All they have to do is work.

Hobos, bums, and winos maybe. The general group of people without a homes, no.
Could you be more descriptive as too what the general population of those without homes would be?

This reminds me of the Ren & Stimpy episode where they are homeless and starving, so they try to break into prison so they can get 3 square meals a day. Hmm...

Although, if you outsource jobs to homeless people, you'll be creating a whole lot more homeless people... so basicly, under this idea, you can lay somebody off, then rehire them the next day for a 100% reduction in salary. Eventually, we'd have just one overclass and everyone else would be a common peon. Think about it! After a generation or two, we'd have an entire country running on the unpaid hard work of the peasants, while the top 1% that is born into a family with money just kicks back and revels in their privilaged birthright. Wait, wasn't this system tried before... say, 1000 or so years ago? How'd that turn out?
Did I say anything about out sourceing? I think not. Think of what they could do. We give them training in contruction, then go and have them help in the devastation and Katrina. Rebuild world trade center. Build schools in Iraq(Okay, not the best of jobs even on the best days but it still counts.) Now, it is true that some groups of people may lose some work because a hobo did it, but, look at the thousands of homeless that would, in a sense, now have jobs. Instead of being paid money, they get shelter, food, yadayadayada I've said that all before.

Giving a hobo a job is not slavery.

hmm... so does that "Living according to your own values" count for people who spay and neuter their pets? :D :D :D
Or those who rape there own children? Or those who kill eachother over a pig? Or those who whack off in public? Hmmm?

Giving a hobo a job is not slavery.
Uhh, does that mean you agree with me or them?

Uhh, does that mean you agree with me or them?

No. I do not think you should force hobos to work, but i wouldn't call it slavery.

Could you be more descriptive as too what the general population of those without homes would be?
Homeless people?

No. I do not think you should force hobos to work, but i wouldn't call it slavery.
What would you call it then? I think one of the reason that people are against me so much is the mental picture when I use the word Slavery, is there another word that would work the same?

Could you be more descriptive as too what the general population of those without homes would be?

A major portion of the homeless population suffer from severe and debilitating mental illness. They could not hold even the simplest of jobs.

and whats happens when the salves would rise up in revolt or point out that slavery under the 1926 Convention of Slavery all form including indentured servants is illegal

Alright, I just edited the first post. SO now, the perk for the hobo's include.
-Random inspections by Government officials to ensure they are taken care of by a number of set standars.
-The choice too leave if they so desire.

A major portion of the homeless population suffer from severe and debilitating mental illness. They could not hold even the simplest of jobs.
Really? I didnt know that. (Thats not sarcasm for refrence, I always thought most homeless were bums who lost money and draged people down with them...) Thats definetly something I'll have too think of.

Did I say anything about out sourceing?

My point is that in a capitalist society, if you allow companies to hire people for no pay, if they can fill their entire staff with unpaid help, they will lay off all of their paid workers in order to do so. Then the workers that get laid off will be jobless, and if all of the companies are doing this, they won't be able to find a new paying job, and thus, they will only be able to support themselves by opting into your unpaid labor plan.

and whats happens when the salves would rise up in revolt or point out that slavery under the 1926 Convention of Slavery all form including indentured servants is illegal
They were given the choice to join. If they didnt want to they could just have said no. And I did mention that they can leave if they so desire. I added that a moment ago so you probably werent here to see it.

They were given the choice to join. If they didnt want to they could just have said no. And I did mention that they can leave if they so desire. I added that a moment ago so you probably werent here to see it.

So they are not even being forced to work, that is definately not slavery.

My point is that in a capitalist society, if you allow companies to hire people for no pay, if they can fill their entire staff with unpaid help, they will lay off all of their paid workers in order to do so. Then the workers that get laid off will be jobless, and if all of the companies are doing this, they won't be able to find a new paying job, and thus, they will only be able to support themselves by opting into your unpaid labor plan.
Not all the companies will be doing this, in fact, no companies will. This is a Government action, and so they will work for the Government, not private investors, companies, or private people. I don't think I mentioned that before though. I'll have to add that. Thank you.

Hello, I just want to take a moment to let everyone know of an interesting idea I've had in the back of my mind for a while now. Now, before you go laughing or get angry or anything, please read the entire idea.

Reinstate slavery.
I don't mean enslave blacks again I mean the homeless. What I think we should do is simply round them up and put them to slave labour doing whatever it is we need. Now, this will be forced, they will either have to work or be left out on the streets. And we will not let them leave when they get to the camps.

But, we'll slap some laws down so that slave masters cannot,
-Beat the slaves.
-Kill the slaves
-Rape them.
-Sell them.
-Force families apart.
-Any other type of assault, felony, or abuse on them.
We'll also put laws down that the master will have too,
-Feed them.
-Cloth them to a given extent/meaning no towels for clothes but it doesnt need to be a tuxedo.
-Monthly medical examination.
-Random inspections by Government officials to ensure they are taken care of by a number of set standars.
-The choice too leave if they so desire.
-And give them homes/not full houses, more like a barracks of sorts.

We'll that's about the extent of my idea so far, I might change it a little. Now keep in mind that I havent thought this over at all so any advice or critisism is welcome. I encourage everyone who reads this to post whatever they think about it, don't be shy.

Wrong messageboard... the PNAC site is here: www.newamericancentury.org

Wrong messageboard... the PNAC site is here: www.newamericancentury.org
Oh, sorry. I'm still a little new on the forum here. This was the General area so I thought anything goes. My mistake.

Or! We could just eat them.

Is that a reference to Jonathan Swift or am i just seeing things?

Oh, sorry. I'm still a little new on the forum here. This was the General area so I thought anything goes. My mistake.

No lol, he was joking.

No lol, he was joking.
:headbang: D'oh!

Slavery isnt the answer.
Mass extermination! Do the planet a favour and start to get rid of the surplus people.

Slavery isnt the answer.
Mass extermination! Do the planet a favour and start to get rid of the surplus people.
And they still think my answer is mean! At least my idea involves taking care of them! LOL!

Hello, I just want to take a moment to let everyone know of an interesting idea I've had in the back of my mind for a while now. Now, before you go laughing or get angry or anything, please read the entire idea.

Reinstate slavery.
I don't mean enslave blacks again I mean the homeless. What I think we should do is simply round them up and put them to slave labour doing whatever it is we need. Now, this will be forced, they will either have to work or be left out on the streets. And we will not let them leave when they get to the camps.

But, we'll slap some laws down so that slave masters cannot,
-Beat the slaves.
-Kill the slaves
-Rape them.
-Sell them.
-Force families apart.
-Any other type of assault, felony, or abuse on them.
We'll also put laws down that the master will have too,
-Feed them.
-Cloth them to a given extent/meaning no towels for clothes but it doesnt need to be a tuxedo.
-Monthly medical examination.
-Random inspections by Government officials to ensure they are taken care of by a number of set standars.
-The choice too leave if they so desire.
-And give them homes/not full houses, more like a barracks of sorts.

We'll that's about the extent of my idea so far, I might change it a little. Now keep in mind that I havent thought this over at all so any advice or critisism is welcome. I encourage everyone who reads this to post whatever they think about it, don't be shy.This is a horrible, horrible idea. You're taking away a person's essential human rights. It doesn't matter if they are actually benefiting from the situation: it is that person's right to decide actions for themselves and bear the consequences. Also, if they can leave whenever they want, that really isn't slavery...

This is a horrible, horrible idea. You're taking away a person's essential human rights. It doesn't matter if they are actually benefiting from the situation: it is that person's right to decide actions for themselves and bear the consequences. Also, if they can leave whenever they want, that really isn't slavery...

Absolutely right - we should never force people into slavery...

...it should be voluntary.

I think slavery has gained a bad reputation in the Modern Age. And that is due to the fact that the most recent large-scale implementation of slavery was racist and static. The majority of slavery systems throughout history have not been like this, and as such were able to survive perfectly well.

One problem I have with your proposal is the fact that the Government can take (granted with permission) people into slavery. As it is accepted that people are accountable for their own destinies, it is only fair that people should have the right to sell themselves into slavery with that money going into a bond to be saved untill the individual is able to buy back their freedom.

Furthermore, I think that slaves should have some access to a wage, no matter how insignificant, so that they can buy useless consumer tat (the sale of which makes up a large sector of the economy) and so ultimately they can buy back their freedom.

I am reluctant to give complete control of all slaves to the state, as I believe that could be a power that could perhaps be abused. Instead, I think there should be a Central Ministry of Slavery which is the sole legal body allowed to buy freemen's slavery. But from there the Ministry shall be able to sell to any individual/organisation that agrees to abide to the rules.

Oh, and this is the correct forum, New American Century is a right wing think tank unassociated with this site. The implication that this thread belongs there is a mockery of your views.

And as for the problem of unemployment amongst freemen - I have a simple solution, buy a slave and feed yourself from the labour of that slave. I picture a system where each household has at least one slave whose labour is rented to a company, or perhaps he goes to work with one of the household's breadwinners. So that when a company hires a freeman, they get an extra man's worth of labour free from his slave.

Absolutely right - we should never force people into slavery...

...it should be voluntary.
It is volontary. We go too them, ask them if they want to do it, they say yes, we take them. No, we leave them.

And where did I say anything about losing there rights? If they want to bear the consequences then they can say no. ANd even you yourself admitted that they actualy benefitted from this! And if it isn't slavery, whats the problem?

Absolutely right - we should never force people into slavery...

...it should be voluntary.
Or by result of besting a hobo in a no-holds-barred street brawl.

Slavery isnt the answer.
Mass extermination! Do the planet a favour and start to get rid of the surplus people.
Soylent Green! :eek:

I think slavery has gained a bad reputation in the Modern Age. And that is due to the fact that the most recent large-scale implementation of slavery was racist and static. The majority of slavery systems throughout history have not been like this, and as such were able to survive perfectly well.

One problem I have with your proposal is the fact that the Government can take (granted with permission) people into slavery. As it is accepted that people are accountable for their own destinies, it is only fair that people should have the right to sell themselves into slavery with that money going into a bond to be saved untill the individual is able to buy back their freedom.

Furthermore, I think that slaves should have some access to a wage, no matter how insignificant, so that they can buy useless consumer tat (the sale of which makes up a large sector of the economy) and so ultimately they can buy back their freedom.

I am reluctant to give complete control of all slaves to the state, as I believe that could be a power that could perhaps be abused. Instead, I think there should be a Central Ministry of Slavery which is the sole legal body allowed to buy freemen's slavery. But from there the Ministry shall be able to sell to any individual/organisation that agrees to abide to the rules.

Oh, and this is the correct forum, New American Century is a right wing think tank unassociated with this site. The implication that this thread belongs there is a mockery of your views.

And as for the problem of unemployment amongst freemen - I have a simple solution, buy a slave and feed yourself from the labour of that slave. I picture a system where each household has at least one slave whose labour is rented to a company, or perhaps he goes to work with one of the household's breadwinners. So that when a company hires a freeman, they get an extra man's worth of labour free from his slave.

Okay, let me try to sum uo your ideas in words my simple brain can understand.
1. People should sell themselves into slavery, the money going into a bond of some kind. And when they earn the money to buy there freedom, they can do so.

2. You think they should recieve some kind of a wage so they can buy thing to ,perhaps, entertain themselves. Maybe a tv, radio, etc.

3. That guy who said this was the wrong forum is making fun of me...

4. Allow those who sell themselves as slaves to be bought and made to work for the person. The money the slave makes would go too the person for theyre own use.

5. You think we should have an organization of some kind to monitor the slaves and what happens to them, instead of the Government having total controle?

Is that about the size of it or did I miss something?

Okay, let me try to sum uo your ideas in words my simple brain can understand.
1. People should sell themselves into slavery, the money going into a bond of some kind. And when they earn the money to buy there freedom, they can do so.

2. You think they should recieve some kind of a wage so they can buy thing to ,perhaps, entertain themselves. Maybe a tv, radio, etc.

3. That guy who said this was the wrong forum is making fun of me...

4. Allow those who sell themselves as slaves to be bought and made to work for the person. The money the slave makes would go too the person for theyre own use.

5. You think we should have an organization of some kind to monitor the slaves and what happens to them, instead of the Government having total controle?

Is that about the size of it or did I miss something?

Yeah, that's about it.

For the final time, we are not exploiting them.

No, they are not going to be paid, and yes, once they choose to do the work they cannot choose to leave(except under conditions).

:rolleyes:

ALrighty then.

1. I don't get why you would sell yourself as a slave just to be forced to work to buy yourself freedom later on? Aside from having a house to maybe live in during your enslavment, if thats a part of what you were saying.

2. I understand giving them a wage totaly, but, between that and giving them the shelter it might become to costly to go through with this. Except for individuals letting the slave live in there home with them, then it's just an extra mouth to feed.

3. About that guy... :mp5:

4. That one makes alot of sense but, we run the risk of them being bought by some kind of sadistic axe wielding lunatic who kills and eats them. Or perhaps a family is broken up because the guy doesnt want to pay for the whole group. Now we could put some regulations to get around the second one, but that first...

5. Makes perfect sense, I really can't think of anything wrong, aside fromt he chance they might sell the slaves to a foreigner who would use them as actual slaves, But if we have one of the branches of Government keeping a close enough eye on them we should be able to keep that from happening.

:rolleyes:
Yeah yeah, but I alterd that. If you'd read the first post, I canged a little something so that now they would be able to leave at there free will.

:rolleyes:

To be fair, this proposal is no more exploitative than many forms of wage-paid employment. Everyone except the comfortably rich have their actions dictated to them by their economic status. When you are poor, you work in whatever capacity you can, or you starve (maybe not starve, but some bad stuff'll happen).

So if your economic status is that of a penniless tramp, well, as of now your only option is to beg and wait for death, this proposal actually offers an alternative.

To be fair, this proposal is no more exploitative than many forms of wage-paid employment. Everyone except the comfortably rich have their actions dictated to them by their economic status. When you are poor, you work in whatever capacity you can, or you starve (maybe not starve, but some bad stuff'll happen).

So if your economic status is that of a penniless tramp, well, as of now your only option is to beg and wait for death, this proposal actually offers an alternative.
That what I'm trying to say. We can't just leave them to suffer, but we can't give them that big of a handout. So, we let them do some work, and we give them what they need to survive. We get massive labour, they get homes, food, clothing. Now I admit, it will take some bukku cash to find them all, take them to a place to do the work, train them, and give them the tools they'll need.

No.

No.
Short and too the point. Thank you.

I take it everyone's finished?

Short and too the point. Thank you.
Any time.